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I cant believe i wasted 6yrs of my life to get a useless EE degree, all that time i spent studying advanced math,physics, and electronics all for nothing. I feel like my college deliberalty brainwashed me into thinking id have a good paying job upon graduation. But reality was that you essentially graduate with ZERO tangible skills. All you have is a shitload of theoretical knowledge that is useless in the eyes of an employer who want "demonstrated technical ability". And the EE field is so fucking broad that all the employers are looking for "niche" skills in a particular area that you would never learn in school. Ive applied to about 100 jobs and havent found anything, its pretty much hopeless. And now i get to see all my friends who majored in Finance or accounting getting offers from all over the country. So to you nerds that bought all the bullshit your school fed you, get your head out your ass and dont do engineering. Get a Finance degree which is waaay easier and a lot more marketable.

>> No.3635513

Let me guess, you didn't take digital logic/design and microprocessor classes?

>> No.3635518

Business major here going to lawschool suck it amigo

>> No.3635520

>>3635499
Maybe you should have gotten/should get an internship jackass.

Or you could just cry more. Let me know how that works out for you.

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>EE
>not homosexual

>engineering
>jobs

>> No.3635525 [DELETED] 

Either finance major or cunning EE major trying to desaturate the market.

>> No.3635528

>>3635525
either of those or just lazy

>> No.3635532

>>3635520

They can stick an internship up their faggot asses!!...Do these fucking people realize how hard it is to get an EE degree in the first place, especially if you went to a Science and engineering school like i did??..Where the fuck is my reward for getting my degree??...where the fuck is my reward for staying in on weekends,not having a spring break, staying up till 3am 4times a week to finish my homework!!!..where the fuck is it!!??

>> No.3635537

>>3635532

I'm sure you'll find it here on 4chan, try feeling a little more sorry for yourself and entitled and it'll come along any minute.

>> No.3635538

>>3635525
No, im just a pissed off EE grad thats been unemployed for 7 months.

>> No.3635539

>>3635499
>boo hoo I graduated with a 2.0 GPA with an associates degree in EE and people aren't licking my feet begging me to work for them.

You didn't demonstrate much interest in your major and you sound like an entitled prick.

>> No.3635540

>>3635532
I don't know what yours is, but my roommate is being fast tracked at a defense contractor/software firm. He is working on Oracle based financial software. Once he learns more about Hyperion, he can make $200/hr doing consulting work.

I chose professional school. But an engineer can make just as much if not more than a doctor/lawyer if he plays his cards right.

>> No.3635542

>>3635538

Only lazy ass moochers are unemployed.

Fox news told me so. Anyone with a brain and who puts in hard work is bound to succeed.

>> No.3635543

>>3635532
Your reward is being able to get an internship.

>> No.3635549

>>3635542
this. why did you pick a major that has 0 job prospects op?

unless you're some fucking nerd that started college when you were 16 no one brainwashed you into anything

>> No.3635552

>>3635499
I'm starting my senior year in mechanical engineering, and I understand what you mean about internships
There is so much bullshit trying to get an internship, the only people that get them have connections through relatives or friends
Companies want to hire college graduates with some prior experience, but the only real way to get that experience is through an internship

tl;dr: Don't expect getting a job to be easy unless you know people with connections

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HAY lets move money around to different areas so we can "grow" the economy to infinite money fairy tale land

>billions of finance jobs open round' the country

>> No.3635556

>>3635549
How the fuck was i supposed to have the foresight to know EE was a dead field??... I just listened to the advisers like everyone else. At least i was smart enough not to pursue an art&history degree

>> No.3635560

>>3635549

You know I was being sarcastic right?

>> No.3635561

>>3635553

Just for some information, finance is applicable to any industry, not just banking or investing.

>> No.3635562

>>3635556
what shit college did you go to where they don't put you in coop or internships?
fail, op

>> No.3635566

>>3635560
yeah except i legitimized it.

>>3635556
and you didn't bother checking yourself

>> No.3635576

yes it's rough out there. i feel that graduates in broader fields such as bioE, civE, archE, etc, have an even tougher time finding jobs/internships. the "core" majors - EE and ME - seem to have an edge since their curriculum is seen as more rigorous (and it is). i'm a bioE with two quarters of classes before I graduate and I'm desperately trying to get into any internship i can. but fuck it's competitive. it comes down to your GPA and they only want superstar students. no point in even trying if your gpa is <3.0

>> No.3635581

>>3635562
I went to NMT, were ranked #2 in the southwest. Its not MIT, but it sure as hell aint a shit school either.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/regional-universities-west/top-
public

>> No.3635588

>>3635576

Yep, i tried to get internship but never met the GPA requirements. These motherfuckers only want gifted, brilliant, world changing minds. Being smart enough to get an Engineering degree doesnt cut it anymore, i might as well have an Art degree to these fags.

>> No.3635597

I still don't see your gpa here anywhere... you passed the FE, right?

>> No.3635598

I practically walked into a job after college with my EE degree, and I went to a cheap state school.
>youredoingitwrong.jpg

>> No.3635599

>>3635588
and your school didn't hook you up with work experience or job leads? sounds pretty shit. even my shit local college around here does that.

>> No.3635600

I think there is something wrong when a high level of education becomes completely standard in 30 years.

>> No.3635603

guaranteed have a gpa under 3.0 here

>> No.3635605

I'm just confused because my uni EE program is near 100% placement

>> No.3635612

>>3635588
If you stayed up till 3 am 4 times a week doing work and stayed in on the weekend working I'm sure you would have gotten the GPA requirements for an internship.

You're bullshit.

>> No.3635615

>>3635597
I have a 2.55, so what?...I was taking 16-17 credits a semester of advanced mathematics and engineering classes at a #2 ranked school in the west.

>> No.3635631

>>3635615
>implying rank matters for an undergraduate engineering degree

>> No.3635646

What was your capstone project op??

>> No.3635660

>implying finance isnt an over saturated field right now

>> No.3635661

Lol, 2.55, they wouldn't even allow me to pursue a masters degree with such a gpa, even if I paid them

>> No.3635662

>>3635615
In the same bind here. About the graduate with a 3.0-something, thanks to easy GE courses. But my "engineering" gpa doesn't break the magic three-oh. My own fault. You need grades to land an internship, and you need experience to land a job. But if you can't find one, you can't get experience, and the endless cycle continues.

Have you considered a job outside your major? Like IT or technical writing? I've considered the latter, and I thought I could make myself competitive by developing a strong portfolio. Could even get a certificate in tech writing and write for some open-source projects for "experience" if I decide to go that way.

>> No.3635663

>>3635615
>i have a 2.55, so what

they wont look at anyone below a 3.0

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>>3635646

Embedded data acquisition system for electric fields and infrasound waves, sponsored by Los Alamos National Labs(ring a fucking bell?)

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>mfw I'm a medfag
>MD in neurology
>300K starting
>Any hospital I want (in the world)

>> No.3635697 [DELETED] 

>>3635689
>yfw you're actually a premed

>> No.3635713

read an article yesterday in scientific american, engineers have a 95% job placement in the field and average around 75k. i guess you're just that one out of twenty.
I myself am torn. i'm a second year mech engineering student and i'm thinking of switching to physics. something just feels more pure about it, but the whole finding a job thing i hear is worse.
so suck it up and go back for an internship. somebody has to take you if you just aim low enough.

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>>3635697

>mfw the only thing separating me from bank and bitches is time

However, for you, no matter how much time, you'll never make as much as me! AHAHAHAHA

>> No.3635730

>>3635662
Ive applied to Electronics technician jobs and got one call back, but the guy said i'd be overqualified for the job and he was looking for longevity. He knew i was only gona be there short term till i found an EE job.

>> No.3635743

tl;dr

you'll be fine as soon as you get yourself a job. and you'll, even if this doesn't look like that at the moment.

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>>3635716
>>mfw the only thing separating me from bank and bitches is time

AHAHAHAHAHA so you ARE a premed?

I guess you have yet to hear the statistics on med school acceptance in the U.S.

>> No.3635758

>>3635751
but he's different and will totally make it through the multiple difficult levels to get to neurology!!

>> No.3635759

i got a question for you, nuerologistfag. I was discussing about brainwave activity as evidence of concentration and understanding.

as alpha waves give way to beta waves when someone is critically thinking, is this a sign of stress on the brain seeing as how beta wave activity also spikes with anxiety or are the two exhibiting characteristics that are coincidentally similar, but stem from a different function of the brain?

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>>3635751
>>3635758

>mfw you fags only aware of shitty pop articles on the subject and don't really know the statistics
>mfw you buttjelly as fuck

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?s=dcf9b4ea9111d7833f8e1c3d2402694e&t=838625

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>>3635759

That's not what premeds learn.

>> No.3635783 [DELETED] 

>>3635713
Whatever happened to giving a new guy a chance??..I can learn ANYTHING, doesnt matter how complex, just put me in the lab with some tools and i'll learn how to do the job. Why do these FAGGOTS expect a guy fresh out of school to be a fucking industry expert their highly complex technologies??...hasnt my degree at least earned me a chance to prove myself??...these niggers act as if my degree was just handed to me. fuck!!!

>> No.3635785

>>3635713
only physics, or physics engineering
Physics engineering is boss, you get a lot of opening in R&D of high-tech companies in many fields (depending on your specialization)

>> No.3635787

>>3635770
it's funny because an actual MD whos about a year away from his neurology specality posts here (or perhaps it was adv) and shot down all the crap you're spewing

enjoy your pre-med

>> No.3635793

>>3635770
>implying MD = Neuology

>> No.3635795

>>3635787

>and shot down all the crap you're spewing

What crap am I spewing?

>> No.3635804 [DELETED] 

>>3635770
Awwww, so you're special? You are certain you're not one of the >60% who will be rejected?

Better to actually get accepted before you brag.

>> No.3635807

>>3635795
MD is cakewalk compared to getting your specialty in neurology

it's not "just time". MD would be "just time" for your average sci/math/etc person, or a smart pre-med (too many idiots go into pre-med to say the average person makes it)

>> No.3635808

>>3635785
i would consider physics engineering, but i haven't heard of many jobs in that specialization. It piqued my interest though. the first time someone mentioned that major to me i laughed and said "i'm not tony stark". then i learned he was serious, and didnt just make up a bullshit major.
any more info on that field offhand?

>> No.3635810

>>3635795

PGY-1 here, doing my GS residency

I can't wait until you get to intern year assuming you make it into medical school and have your ass kicked on a daily basis

>> No.3635814 [DELETED] 

>>3635810
Hmm..
GS must mean general surgery
PGY-1 = physician general year 1 ??

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>>3635804
>Awwww, so you're special?
Nope, just work harder. U mad.
>>3635807
Learn to take a joke aspie. You SOOO mad.

Seriously, why you fags so mad? Resent the people who crumble your illusion of self worth by actually accomplish things?

>> No.3635817

>>3635810
Knights of the Told republic[x]

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My school is also ranked in the top 10 in earnings potential, and the last job i applied to payed $27,000 a year....fucking pathetic.

>> No.3635822

>>3635816
I loved that first year in med school where all the gunners realized what they were in for

>> No.3635823

>>3635770
THANK YOU BASED GOD. WOOHOO 70% chance at med school. Not bad for an engineering major.

>> No.3635828

>>3635513
It's not like employers see what courses you take.

>> No.3635833

>>3635828
uhm you put the classes you took that are relevent to the job on your resume and then bring up that stuff up in the interview

>> No.3635838

>>3635814

PGY = post graduate year

>> No.3635848

>>3635833
you would do the same for internships, and research you did while in college under a professor.

oh wait....

>> No.3635858

>>3635821

Looks like you went to a very good school then. maybe its just the bad economy.

>> No.3635861

>>3635821
this is what you get for not going to harvey mudd

>> No.3635881

apply in germany, we value your degree. we need engeneers. just need to learn german.

http://www.stepstone.de/5/ergebnisliste.html?offset=0&reloadedSearch=1

>> No.3635886

>2.55
You're gonna have to find some way to downplay that, but without work experience it'll be tough.

>#2 ranked school
Sorry to be harsh, but don't delude yourself. You're competing with people from Stanford, UCLA, and Berkeley, not just the people who went to "regional" colleges.

But the bottom line is that the economy is shit.

>> No.3635936

look kid, these days no one will hire an engineer if they didnt graduate MIT with a 4.0

>> No.3635946

If you can qualify for a security clearance, you might have some luck in the DC area. They only want squeaky clean criminal records and no illegal drug use, though.

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I'm a business major (3 years) thinking on switching to Chemical Engineering but posts like OP make me think it through

hope you find a job soon man

>> No.3635993

>>3635987
>Mission accomplished
>eng job market freed up of 1 more fag
>horray for gay sex!

>> No.3635995

>>3635987
it's because that 3.0 GPA is a key thing. if i were you, i wouldnt switch just because you've already invested 3 years into something, and you'd essentially give it up for no reward. unless your family is loaded, and you can just hang out in college forever. then go for it

>> No.3636142

This is why I'm counting up my time and studying, I'm more suited for Engineering Technology doing Hands-on work with designing and building, I want to get into Electro-Mechanical Engineering I'm not interested in the "direct" approach OP took.

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Dear Stupid faggot OP,
I graduated 3 years ago in EE from a normal university. Took a semester off and had an internship and got the job in the same company.
>mfw as a EE I had a solid job offer one year before graduation.

You should know what job you want.. what field. For me it was Digital signal processing and digital control systems. I did an internship, my bachelor's thesis and the job in the same field.
Specialization is too important for employers.

>> No.3636959

>2011
>Implying the job markets aren't over-saturated due to life expectancy increases and the goddamn baby boomers

>> No.3636970

thats what happens when you dont go into AerospaceE.

We have a subject called 'electrical engineering' I shit you not

>> No.3637599

I realized EE started dying around last year, decided to switch my major over to Computer Engineering/Logic Design instead.

It's pretty much EE with more software, plus I have enough credentials to apply to both hardware and software fields.

Also, I know someone who graduated with barely a 2.0 from Computer Science, and he got employed almost immediately because lolprogramming. The Hardware boom, is over, the
Software boom has begun.

>> No.3637614 [DELETED] 

Apply for entry level jobs or warm bodies.

Hell, you should've just thrown yourself at professors, saying you'll volunteer to help them with any research opportunities with no pay. Everyone needs a warm body to help them with shit.

>> No.3637641

Apply for entry level jobs or start ups.

Hell, you should've just thrown yourself at professors, saying you'll volunteer to help them with any research opportunities with no pay. Everyone needs a warm body to help them with shit.

>> No.3637680

>>3635520
>>3635539

Fucking these. OP is a whiney faggot. If you don't get an internship or similar before graduation, it shows you have very little interest in your discipline and little desire to get your foot in the door. This is entirely your fault. Don't give me any crap about not being able to find an internship. They're common as dirt.

>>3635552

That is absolute horse shit. People get internships by virtue of commitment, intelligence, and work ethic You clearly have bad grades, are lazy, or both. I didn't know anyone at my current internship company prior to interning. They accepted me because I have good grades and a very strong interest in my discipline.

>> No.3637696

>>3635615

No wonder you have no job offers. GPA does matter to some degree because it shows the level of interest of the applicant. You are clearly lazy, unintelligent, or both. 2.55 is a disgrace. At my company, my supervisor hires people in the range of 3.6-3.8. This is probably true for many employers.

>> No.3637775

At Oregon State University, the mechanical engineering program won't allow anyone to take third or fourth year courses unless their GPA is over 3.1. That's the way it should be. It weeds out the idiots that really shouldn't be building things that people trust their lives with.

tl;dr OP is a whiner, should have worked harder, and should have gotten better grades.

>> No.3637815

>>3637641
sadly, this is your career choice for the next 10 years.

>> No.3637973

math major master race reporting in

>300k
>etc.
>etc.

>> No.3638502

>>3637696

Well im stuck with a 2.55, i dont know what to do with my life..i cant afford to go back to school for another degree since i already have around 30,000 of student loan debt. This sucks, going to school was worst thing i couldve done.

>> No.3638507

also, you need to do internships.

>> No.3638519

>3.98 GPA
>diploma in computer and networking technologies
>haven't been able to get a job(so far a year looking, over 100 resumes sent) because everyone wants networking techs/system admins that have 3 years exp minimum
>probably going to go to uni for chemistry since it interests me

Fuck the police.

>> No.3638530

There's always the Navy or Air Force. You should have no problems getting a commission

>> No.3638545

>>3638530

Sadly, this.

The military is the greatest employer of jobless hacks, but with your education, you could easily land a cushy job working on defense systems or radar equipment or something EE-related.

And they pay really well.

>> No.3638622

>>No.3637696
>At my company, my supervisor hires people in the range of 3.6-3.8.

Don't higher anyone with anything higher than 3.8 because they're fucking nerds!

>> No.3638639

>>3638622
And then you'd have to pay them more, idiot.

>> No.3638643

>>3638639
At least I'm not a fucking nerd like you.

>> No.3638694

>>3638643
And you really on a science and math board and saying at least I'm not a fag who likes science and math?

Face it, you think of yourself as a nerd, and want to be, but just is not smart enough for a 3.8+ GPA

>> No.3638705

most of the good EE stuff is in silicon valley or overseas. enjoying doing 24V plant distributions

>> No.3638791

>>3638502
Kid how the fuck did you get 30k in student loan debts at New Mexico fucking Tech? Ever heard of the lottery scholarship? Bam free tuition. I got free living expenses too just for my ACT scores.

I don't feel that bad for you, either you're grossly exaggerating or you're kind of a fuckup so you shouldn't expect things easy anyway.

>> No.3638822

>EE can't find a job
>Finance or accounting getting offers from all over the country

And this is how I recognized this as a troll.

>> No.3638852

>>3638519
bad idea, chemistry markets not so good now.

>> No.3638885

You forgot to do what you love, not what's on market.

Get a PhD in EE or shut your dirty whore mouth and go suck cock at night if you want to make money

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Hello

I'm a new guy around here but i very much like it.

I am a 2 nd year student from Poland, studying Physics+IT(a sort of mix) at The University of Wrocław so i was just wondering
what is your education level? Are you in High Scholl,College,University? Post pics of your school for intrest. And if you're in High School tell me about your perspectives for future job/education.

hf :3

pic related it's my Uni, what do you think about it ?

>> No.3639003

>>3638989
lel i got excited and posted as a reply, discard this message and check out my new topic :3

>> No.3639056

k /sci/

I'm 18, just going into University in Canada, Quebec.. (Concordia Uni.)

Going into Electrical Engineering, plan on switching to Compute Engineering later on ...

I have an uncle that works for Microsoft, and one for Dell. The Microsoft uncle told me he could land me an internship...

After reading this thread, I'm scared shitless about going into this field... should I be worried?

Any tips?

>> No.3639087

>>3639056

Are you sure you're not 19 and just saying 18 because it's not worth explaining the cegep system to people?

;)

Concordia is a good call if you wanna do something applied, I'm heading to McGill for physics and I can't help but worry that although I might learn more I won't know anything I need to be useful to society.

>> No.3639100

>>3639056
If you have personal connections, don't sweat it. Do reasonably well, and you should be able to get into the big companies.

Hell, one of my uncles got his son into a prestigious graduate engineering program with a 3.3 and no research experience. People need to learn that you should study a field that someone related to you is already in.

>> No.3639141

>>3639056
as i mentioned earlier my uni has near 100% placement in EE. it's still a good field. knowing software is getting to be more important though. OP only had a 2.5 and is probably a lazy person

>> No.3639145

>>3639087
No, I'm 18 because I skipped a year. (I hate this though because I look young and don't feel like I'm taken seriously even though I have the intelligence)

I turn 19 on the 4th of november.

Also, I got accepted to Mcgill aswell in the same program, but I chose Concordia because they're known to employers to be more "practical" whereas Mcgill is more "theoretical". Also I was interested in the co-op, and Concordia gives me 500$ every session, which I need.

The Microsoft uncle actually went to Mcgill though. He only got hired by Microsoft recently though, before that he worked for Sprint (phone company in US, and then some shipping company as a programmer. (He went computerE)

>> No.3639150

luv u rogerogerr :3

>> No.3639153

>>3635821

>EE major
>2.55 GPA

Well, at least you can make a career as a fast food worker.

>> No.3639340

bump

>> No.3639393

i can relate, i'm in a similar boat. i graduated EE with a 2.75 back in december. i have had a few interviews but haven't landed anything yet. it is possible to get an interview without a high gpa. i live in the northwest and boeing doesn't even check grades or transcripts if you get an interview/offer. they use their own software to do everything so they just teach it themselves, they don't care that much what technical skills you already have.

i've done a pretty bad job of selling myself in interviews so far but i've learned from my mistakes and i just keep applying. if you really think about it a 2.55 is not that bad, it's a C+/B- average.

as for me, i was pretty lazy. didn't study for tests, skilled HW, that sort of thing and i wound up with a 2.75. sort of regret slacking off but it is what it is. you have to keep fighting to get a job. i wouldn't blame the industry; if you graduated with >3.0 you'd have a job easily by now.

>> No.3639399

>>3639393

skipped HW*

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>>3638791
>>3638791

I didnt have any scholarships, im a dumb nigger remember. I owe around $28,357.71 to be exact.

>> No.3640027

>implying sex can wait

>> No.3640036

>>3635552
Getting a good internship is easy if you have a 4.0 or 3.9 GPA :P

>> No.3640103

ITT: Internships

Anyone has one?

>> No.3640113

>>3640103
Nearing the end of a 6 month paid internship as a mechanical engineer. It's been pretty sweet!

>> No.3640114

>>3640113
Want to share some tips or advice about school and getting the internship?

>> No.3640123

>>3639393
where in the north west if I may ask

>> No.3640133

>>3640114
Sure. Get effing GOOD grades, and know how to communicate clearly and confidently. Often people have one or the other, but not both. Also, make sure you get your name out there before someone else does.

I have very high grades and I am fairly gifted with speaking and written communication, so I landed a very good internship. Anyone can do that, but it really comes down to how well you communicate and what your grades are like.

>> No.3640141

>>3640133
Good grades as in 3.5+ ?
Right now my GPA is ~3.0 but I'll be going through a major shift this year. My new college will have lots of internship opportunities but I bet it will be competitive. I'm willing to give up my college life for this.

>> No.3640147

>>3635532
Who told you there would be a reward?

>> No.3640162

>>3640141
For the kind of internship I'm on? Yes. 3.5 minimum.
I would say my internship is more like temporary employment. I have all the same access and responsibilities.

Anyway, as you said, it may be necessary to give up a social life. Those grades are crucial. Do you have a job during school? They LOVE that. I worked 2 jobs before I got my internship while going to school full time. They almost came when I said I had 2 jobs and the grades I have. As long as you have the grades, communicate well, and show a strong interest in your discipline, you should have a good shot at a fulfilling internship.

>> No.3640164

>>3640123

i currently live in south of seattle

>> No.3640173

>>3640164
Oh.. southern oregonfag here, I guess there are a lot of places to get engineering in the NW

>> No.3640181

>>3640173
Oregon state university Fag here. Osu engineering program ftw!

>> No.3640182

>>3640173

yep. boeing, microsoft, and i think amazon and intel have branches up here. tons of smaller companies too.

>> No.3640185

>needs experience
It's called an internship.

>> No.3640199

>>3640162
I don't have a job right now but like I said I'm moving and I plan on changing my life around completely. I'm willing to give up a lot of my social life but I hope my social life can give me up. I'm not so much worried about the CS ECE classes as much as I am the other degree required classes, and some of the math.

My communication is OK but I could do better. Then again life changing move here so, It's a big fresh start. Getting a job will be crucial for me next year.

Did you have to do a lot of CS classes? As of now CS will be my major. CS / ECE if I can manage, and ECE with a head start at CS masters is my top tier route, along with the internship program my school offers.

Please oh please... I need this internship ! ;D

>> No.3640201

>>3640181
fuckyeah! That's where I'm moving in a month :D

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Fuck OP and all the kids who expect a perfect job right when they graduate.
The world is not a friendly place dammit. Everyone has trouble. You have to accept the situation, and adapt.

I'm studying Aerospace eng., yet have a part time job helping an EE to develop installations in buildings-
(earning shit, but better than nothing).
(I realize it's ridiculous to ask even undergraduates for experience to get a place to work,but experience is not something you get for no reason and with no effort.)

How did I get a job?, putting interest and effort to it, search for people interested in hiring in specialized forums, internet, asking teachers, etc.
It's not easy to find a GOOD job, but almost everyone will hire an enthusiastic worker, willing to sacrifice sleeping hours for a ridiculous salary.
And if you're nice to people and dedicated, no one will have any sort of trouble to give you some sort of recommendation, less if you start working for very small companies.

>> No.3640230

im going into my first year of chemical engineering. any tips for success?

(this thread is slightly intimidating)

>> No.3640235

>>3640230
sleep.sociallife.grades.pick2.jpg

>> No.3640237

>>3640199
I wouldn't stress over the math... Computers handle most of it in practice. It does, however, enhance understanding.

I am a mechanical engineer, so not much in the way of cs classes. I have taken a few, however, and they have helped. Technical computing and understanding of algorithms and programming principles look great on resumes. Matlab ftw.

If you feel like improving communication, try talking to hot girls (seriously). They can be intimidating, which forces you to communicate under duress. It really did help me. And you might get a gf out of it!

As an aside, put some emphasis on some personal projects related to your major. I built a golf ball cannon in my dorm room as a freshman. That story was a big hit in my interview because it shows an interest in my discipline beyond the classroom. Application application application.

You clearly have the interest and the desire. I'm pulling for you.

>> No.3640239

>>3640201
Nice! What major?

>> No.3640255

>>3640239
either CS, CS / ECE, or ECE then CS masters. Just depends how the next year or so develop.

What year are you?

>>3640237
Thanks man :) Really appreciate it. What would you say was one of the hardest parts of your major?

>> No.3640268

>>3640237

That just gave me an idea!...I can get my Ham radio license and say i build radios as a hobby.

>> No.3640307

>>3640230
have fun working in a factory

>> No.3640310

>>3640255
Classwise? Fluid mechanics and advanced dynamics. That stuff is hard as shiz. But its also phenomenally interesting. As far as the toughest thing about mechanical engineering in general? The sheer workload. Also, at least for mechanicals, you need ~3.1 or better to even take upper level courses. I will start my 4th year on the 26th of Sept. If you know anyone going into mechanical as a freshman, there is a good chance ill be their TA.

>> No.3640318

>>3640307
well i am aiming for nanotech or alternative energy. not factory work

>> No.3640336

Going into 2nd year electronic and computer engineering...this thread makes me feel like shit, especially because I chose engineering over medicine and actuary.

do I HAVE to get an internship if I want a job? everyone looks for experience, of which i have none, and in this country (ireland) there's fuck all jobs going, nepotism is what gets you internships here.

i'm fucked.

>> No.3640345

>>3640310
You mean in Seattle?

I want to learn about computers. My closest college friend right now is pursuing civil engineering, and a friend who is at OSU already is becoming a mechanical engineer. He want to be a motorcycle repairman or something.

I would think working for Intel would be great, or to have an internship. I want to work on ciruitboards and also do software development.

>>3640239
you know if there's a CS club or engineering club or anything at OSU?

>> No.3640351 [DELETED] 

>>3635615
>MFW I have a 3.40 GPA in the #1 school in the west
>Dat NASA internship
:D

>> No.3640357

>>3640336
Nah man. Volunteer work is just like an internship. Get to know a local company and work on their computers, network admin, whatever. Don't feel compelled to stay exactly in your field when times are shitty.

>> No.3640368

>>3640318
isnt alternative energy usually what the chemists and physicists do?

>> No.3640372

>>3640351
>>3635615
what schools?

>> No.3640376

>>3640357

question: if i apply to places like PC world (electronics stores) telling them I'm doing an electronic&comp eng degree would they consider me? where would I put it on my CV? would it go under qualifications even though I'm not qualified yet?

thanks

>> No.3640385

>>3640239

>>3640310
>>3640345
These are both me, just so you know. I go to OSU.

You should have your motorcycle repair buddy look into formula team. Our team is #1 in the nation if I remember. He could be a valuable asset to them. There is no cs club that I'm aware of, but there are plenty of relevant clubs. Robotics club, mars rover, there are a bunch. You're goona love it.

>> No.3640387

You're supposed to do a work study, dumbass.

>> No.3640388

Some people in this thread are saying EE is a dead field... really? I hope not, I'm a sophomore doing EE at an average state school with not much career guidance support.

Planning on applying to fucktons of internships this year though if I can find out where the fuck to look for them. I don't know where you even find that shit. Good grades so far. 3.6 in major.

I'm also looking for part time work to put SOMETHING on a resume but I can't find anyone hiring that would fit my school schedule.

Also, someone mentioned applying to startups. How the fuck do you hear about startups?

>> No.3640391

>>3640388
It's more alive than a living person. Don't worry.

>> No.3640395

>>3640388
>Some people in this thread are saying EE is a dead field

They're pulling shit out of their ass. EE is one of the fastest growing fields right now.

And it always will be until electronics remains a dominant aspect of society

>> No.3640399

>>3640395

does EE stand for electronic & electrical or electrical engineering?

>> No.3640400

If you want to be guaranteed a job as an EE, you should specialize in networking. Especially network security. You'll be making 6 figures really fast.

>> No.3640404

Study up on the FCC tests and get your RF certifications. You already understand the physics, so it should be easy to get the certification. There are tons of jobs for FCC certified engineers.

>> No.3640408

Why are EE fags complaining about not getting a job? Even if you can't get a job in EE, it should be really easy to learn some programming and land a software job.

Of course, this is assuming you went to a decent college that bothered to teach you a fair amount of programming

>> No.3640411

>>3640391

Maybe, but my school is really deteriorating quality wise and there are less and less classes offered. As far as I know we only learn C and C++ in our electrical engineering classes. Not even matlab.

I'm not sure what kind of skills I'd have to offer an internship. And like I said I don't even know where the hell you look for them, my school is nearly useless in that regard.

>> No.3640412

>>3640399
In the U.S., EE combines electrical and electronics engineering.

>> No.3640414

>>3640376
You would have a leg up on people who aren't in your position but it would depend a lot on previous experience, and knowledge of PC parts.

>>3640385
OH OK cool sorry for confusion. Yeah I know I'm going to love it, anything to get out of my current situation and into something I can start my dream with. I feel so inspired knowing this is coming soon. What is your major / Area?

>> No.3640418

>>3640395

Unless you're Indian or Chinese or you are willing to work for those wages or have a 4.0 from MIT then the field isn't growing like you think it is.

>> No.3640420

>>3640411
If you know an actual programming language, learning MATLAB is a fucking joke.

Besides, C and C++ is sufficient for most EE majors. If you want to learn more basic languages, then you should be doing CmpE.

Though, once you know C or C++, it's really not that hard to pick up other languages. Aside from a few differences here and there, most programming languages follow the same guidelines

>> No.3640422

>>3640418

What's the alternative? Finance? You need to graduate from the ivy league to work in finance.

>> No.3640428

>>3640422

If you have a degree from MIT or a comparable school then that's good enough. Ivies are only good for getting your foot in the door w/o any relevant contacts.

>> No.3640429

>>3640418
I go to Georgia Tech and most of the guys who have a good GPA pretty much have a job guaranteed before they graduate.

And I don't know what being Indian or Chinese have to do with getting a job.

>> No.3640438

Okay so what I have pretty much gathered from this thread...

>EE is dying
>You have to have at least a 3.5 to be considered for any engineering internship
>You can only work in finance if you come from an Ivy
>You can only do well in engineering if you go to MIT
>You have to work within your major

Jesus fuck and you wonder why no one takes this board seriously.

Fucking kids, all of you.

>> No.3640440

>>3640429

cheap educated labor

india and china very populated, lots of graduates with EE degrees coming out form there

bow down to your new asian overlords

>> No.3640442

>>3640438
Not all of us but yes, many kids.

>> No.3640454 [DELETED] 

>>3640438

>taking 4chan seriously
ISHYGDDT

>> No.3640452

>>3640420
It's a joke if you need to do serious programming. But the built in functions in Matlab are much more useful for everyday use.

>>3640438

No
It helps
No
No
No

>> No.3640457

>>3640414
Mechanical engineering. Concentrating in thermal/fluids, stress analysis, and dynamics. I love all the areas of engineering, so its really hard to pare it down.

>> No.3640477

>>3640457
Oh so this is you.
>>3640237
I must have been really mixed up.
So then you would work a lot with factory machines? I'm not too sure what you would do with thermal dynamics but it sounds fun. Do you spend a lot of time in the engineering building? I visited the campus for the first time a few weeks ago and I was impressed but from what I could tell, students don't do much in there.

Aaahh.... excited...

>> No.3640478

>>3640438

what's wrong with working within your major? Why even have majors in the first place if the point is to work outside of it? I chose engineering to get away from those liberaltard plebeians, not to later associate with them and their so called "arts"

>> No.3640483

>>3640457
hows the job market in terms of variety for M.E.? I just started that, and i have friends saying "have fun working at caterpillar:.

>> No.3640494

>>3640478
Working within your major =/= only working within your major

>> No.3640504

Thermal/fluids encompasses fluid mechanics, heat transfer, and thermodynamics. Dynamics concerns motion and thee force involved. Stress analysis concerns the internal stresses and deformations due to outside influences.

This stiff can be used pretty much anywhere, factory machines included. I plan on working for an aerospace contractor, however.

As for the engineering building, pretty much the entire street of Monroe is engineering buildings. I practically live in there. You don't do much in there until junior year. You can get a lot of help from studying in there because all the upper division students and TAs study there. The professors are also usually nearby.

>> No.3640512

>>3640483
You can do literally anything. Fighter jets, refrigerators, windmill towers, almost everything around you was at least partially designed by a mechanical engineer.

>> No.3640516

consider vocational skills OP
Community colleges and tech schools give pretty good job placement
auto mechanic, lab tech, vet tech. carpetry welding anything.
time to get your head outta the clouds and learn to use your hands to apply that knowledge.
move to portland op tons of microtech there, you might have a shot working in a bunny suit.

>> No.3640520

>>3640512

I'm an EE who has second thoughts about the fact that maybe ME is better for jobs/more fun, but I'm too far along to switch.

Do you think I could work on fighter jets and for aerospace companies too? Fuck silicon valley I want to make epic flight control systems or whatever

>> No.3640534

>>3640504
I plan to spend a good amount of study time in there and wherever a computer lab is. How many years would you say you have left there? Aerospace contractor would be awesome. I can see space travel becoming a real hobby of the ultra wealthy and it always pays to follow the money. You'd likely get discounted trips also. I wonder if CS/ECE major would have any use in a place like that.

What other hobbies do you have? I checked out the climbing wall in the main rec building and it looks really nice, I plan on spending a good amount of time in there. Don't think there is much outdoor climbing around Corvallis though, and in the winter time I plan on doing some snowboarding.

>> No.3640541

>>3640520
Dude you're totally useful to aerospace. The control systems are just as electrical as they are mechanical. There is a reason that controls engineers can start as mechanical or electrical engineers. The controls engineer at my work designs all the electrical systems for our machines. His degree is mechanical engineering.

>> No.3640555

>>3640422
Finance is hugely marketable, all my friends had jobs right out of school and they have shit GPA's (3.0 is considered shit GPA in Business school). If you get a Finance degree and a minor in computer science or IT, you will get a job right out of school. period. The projected growth rate for finance is 20% whereas EE is only 6% according to bls.gov

>> No.3640577

>>3640534
I have a year to go by credits, but I have another 6 month internship next spring and summer, so more like 1.5 years.

There are computer labs everywhere. Nice 1920x1200 monitors with quad core cpus. The labs are sweet.

Dude, aerospace hires hordes of you guys. At least as many as mechanical. Avionics and aviation are so integrated that they need a ton of cs, me, and ece people.

The Dixon rec center is my second home. Gotta get ripped while I'm young! Idk about climbing in the area, but you're set for snowboarding. My hobbies are the usual (vidyagames, etc.) As well as computers, guns, pretty much anything technical or destructive >:)

>> No.3640634

>>3640555

Yeah... but what school did they go to? Finance companies don't hire at average state schools.

I'm doing engineering and wouldn't mind some kind of finance job as I invest in my own personal time but I know I'd never get hired anywhere. I have no formal finance education and my school is average tier.

>> No.3640640

>>3640577
>quad core pcs at college
oooh mama..

Possibly aerospace is where I'd like to go. I need to get working on more programming projects and keep me busy. I wouldn't mind being a software dev, but I really want to get involved with boards and electrical stuff. I guess these next few years are going to be really important for the rest of my life. I take it you're about 23 years old or so? 24?

Absolutely man, Dixon was nice when I checked it out. Love it. I'm really into snowboarding but it's ungodly expensive for tickets. I might try to get a job up... what mountain is nearby? this winter. Maybe it's not too far?

I got into climbing two years ago when I met my now best friend who is a boss climber... also the Civil Eng friend I mentioned. He's pretty smart with math and construction.

>> No.3640664

>>3640640
I can't emphasize how important the next few years are. You will (ideally) get a degree, some work experience, and a job in that period. I went to college with this in mind. Busted my balls and it has paid off so far. Also, I'm 21. I went to osu right out of high school.

Idk what mountains are around, but there must be some... My buddies snowboard a lot.

You might consider the aerial vehicle team. That's aerospacey and they could probably use some cs people for microcontroller programming and instrumentation.

>> No.3640667

>2011
>didn't study computer science followed by and MBA later on in career.

>> No.3640689

>>3640664
wow I'm impressed, you must have really stuck to your studies and shelled out
~17+ creds a term?

I've spent the last two years at home going to SOU, which is a nice school, but their CS department is mediocre. The head instructor is AWESOME but not many classes. Not even close to OSU. Also due to many reasons, I had to take minimum full time credits but I did well. Mostly B's, some A's and a couple C's. Did it feel like the last few years went by quick because how much work you put through?

I know there's a mountain somewhere close but Not sure. Besides computers the snow is one of my passions. Snowboarding, snowmobiling. It's brilliant.

I'll look into that, aerial vehicle team. Man it feels good to talk to someone about OSU who knows what's up. I don't know many people up there and I lost contact with msot of my high school friends.

>> No.3640740

>>3640689
Nah I only took 16 per term. That's the max without being charged extra. Also, its hard to get into lower division courses, and 16 credits is the max for priority registration, so its only practical to take 16 credits if you only do engineering. Of course once you get into pro school, you get classes guaranteed because they only allow as many students as they can fund. The last few years flew by not because of the work but because time flies when you're having fun.

Don't worry about not knowing anyone. Engineering is pretty tight knit, so you'll be good to go. Everyone is chill to each other because we all have the same classes.

SOU is cool but OSU is highly preferable for cs. You'll be glad you transferred.

>> No.3640753

>>3640689

Portland State U. has a better CS department.

OHSU offers even better grad programs for Computer Science and Engineering.

The only other, better school in Oregon is in Corvallis.

>> No.3640791

OP's post made me appreciate all the connections I have in the oil and construction industries. Gonna have an epic job when I graduate.

>> No.3640796

>>3640791
And OPs post made me more determined to
>do well in major
>fight for an internship as soon as I learn the basics
>have a side project every semester
>keep my part time job

prospective EE student.

>> No.3640816

>>3640740
So then the only other thing I can think of asking if to recommend some good teachers, maybe in CS or Math? If you're still here that is. I plan on doing RMP research regardless. True, I'm having a blast in college so far and it's gone by pretty quick. I'll be sure and check out the engineering guys, and I guess a lot of people who live in the place I'm moving into are CS/Engineering majors.

>> No.3640820

>>3640796
4th year engineering physics student here. Nothing wrong with EE: most of the internships are in EE, and almost everybody in EE gets an internship (unlike many of the other streams). It's probably the most active field in engineering at the moment.

There is no reason why a competent EE graduate cannot easily get a job. OP is just an unmotivated, incompetent dumbass with a pathetic GPA.

>> No.3640833

>>3640816
I don't know any cs teachers... The only good math teacher I had was pohjanpelto. I've heard good things about argyres though...

It always lakes things easier when you live with people in your discipline. There is always someone to work on a homework assignment or help you with something. And you can work together on some sweet side projects.

I'm usually around on this board if you have any other questions.

>> No.3640842

>>3640833
Sure man. I'll be calling you out whenever It comes up. What should I call you? lol

>> No.3640846 [DELETED] 

>>3640820
>OP is just an unmotivated, incompetent dumbass with a pathetic GPA.

How do you think that makes me feel you fucking nigger faggot. I already feel depressed because I let my family down and you bust out with that shit?..

>> No.3640849

>>3640846
you're young. keep trying.

>> No.3640855

>>3640846

How do you think having a chance at education and blowing it by being a stupid fuck while many millions of people in the world would kill for the same opportunity feels?

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>>3640849
I'll be 27 in December.

>> No.3640862

>>3640842

We'll go with "Chris".

>> No.3640866

I think we've laid into OP enough.

>> No.3640894

>>3640859
like I said, you're young.

>>3640862
lol alright Chris thanks for the chat and we'll talk soon I hope. shutting down early cause I'm visiting the campus tomorrow, gotta get up early.

>> No.3640909

>>3640894

Peace bro.

>> No.3640920

>Engineering grad
>struggling to find a job

Is this what it's like in the US? New grads in Australia can walk right into a job, any branch of engineering except for Aerospace since we don't have much in the way of that industry.

>> No.3640922

>>3640859
OP did you go to CC first?

>> No.3640924

>>3640922

Yes

>> No.3640937

wait wait wait

6 years to get your EE degree, and that's without skipping a year to do an internship?

The reason you can't find a job is because you're an idiot.

>> No.3640941

>>3640924
what was your gpa at CC like? also did you work while attending CC? What math/science classes did you take at CC and what were your grades?

>> No.3640944

>>3640859
yeah 27. why even bother, you're over the hill. give me a break. Im 24 and just starting college, on a GED.

Odds are you're going to be on this planet for a good 70-80 years or so, whats another few years anyway. My grandmother got a doctorate in psychology at 55. she used to tell me "whats the difference, times going to pass anyway. might aswell do something"

if you really think that your life is over at 27 right out of college just lay down and die here. people fight thier ways out of third world countries, overcome adversity, poverty, disabilities and all other circumstances to change their lives.

go back to school, hone your skills, immerse yourself in the subject, eat sleep and breathe engineering. if you do that, and you cant get a job, then come back here and bitch: you'll actually have a reason to then.

>> No.3640963

>>3640941

It was around a 2.40, I come from a upper-middle class family so ive never had to get a job-i was always a fulltime student. My grades were shit but i didnt try at all in CC cuz i knew the actual grades wouldnt transfer to uni

>> No.3640970

>>3640963
>upper-middle class family
>no connections to help get a job

troll detected or very lazy/stupid individual

either way reported for not science

>> No.3640973

>>3640963
Did you at least take calculus at CC?

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i feel for you OP

i didn't get a degree in engineering but i also got fucked upon graduating. my advice is to lower your standards and just take any fucking job you can. you don't want to end up with a long period of no school & no job on your resume. it might look weird to graduate with an engineering degree and then go work an entry level job at an insurance company but its better than graduating with an engineering degree and then being unemployed for a year.

ignore the children on this forum. the world doesn't work the way it does in tv and movies. its a new world out there. the economy isn't growing, old people don't retire, businesses outsource everything that fresh college grads used to do & the uncertain economic outlook makes businesses really anal about hiring. on top of that school is three times as expensive (after adjusting for inflation) and 10 times less impressive than it used to be. thank the babby boomers.

>> No.3640975

>>3640937

Wait, do you need to get full year internships?

My plan was to get one over the summer after junior year, and sophomore year if I can.

Is that not enough?

>> No.3640979

I got a degree in EE and was unemployed for 4 years before getting a job. It can happen. The engineering job market isn't as bad a lot of them, and the long term outlook is quite good. Didn't hurt that I spent much of the in between time reading DSP papers and doing hobbyist stuff. And my GPA was 3.6...

>> No.3640980

Sup OP

I'm a 21-year-old recent Mech. Engg. graduate. I have an average GPA of around 3.1. Half-way through my capstone design project, my project advisor offered me a paid (low pay, but better than tuition) graduate position. Later in the year, my project sponsor (a local consulting firm) offered me a job starting at $65k (respectable, at least) - I chose the former, with the latter funding my research and a potential employer upon graduation. I asked for neither; both were given to me without precipitation on my part.

Social skills, OP, social skills. If you have them, jobs get thrown your way. If you're an awkward introvert, well, good luck.

>> No.3640983

>>3640963

>>
It was around a 2.40, I come from a upper-middle class family so ive never had to get a job-i was always a fulltime student. My grades were shit but i didnt try at all in CC cuz i knew the actual grades wouldnt transfer to uni

So what's your excuse for uni?

>> No.3640996

>>3640975
You don't need to. Relevant summer jobs are fine, and look good on resumes. Its just when someone takes 6 years to finish a 4 year degree, you'd assume a full-year internship was involved.

Full-year internships are common however, and depending on your jurisdiction they can be very valuable. Where I live, for example, a P.Eng. is only obtainable after 4 years professional experience; your 1 year internship counts towards that time. Summer internship does not. Furthermore, my school has agreements with ABB, Alstom, Siemens, and others to do internships abroad in Europe. These agreements only apply to 16-month internships (as the companies, understandably, need something on their side of the deal). A long (12-16 month) internship represents a significant investment of time on the employing behalf. It will look better on a resume, and they will be more inclined to retain you upon graduation.

>> No.3640997

>>3640973
Yeah i took all my physics and calculus in CC. Only took like 4 more math classes in college.
>>3640980
Ive had one phone interview from a company in NY and i got real nervous while doing the interview and my voice was breaking cuz of the nerves. Then they asked me about my GPA. I should have lied to them.

>> No.3641009 [DELETED] 

reading on forums like this just reinforces my hate for people

they're either retarded niggers that can't understand fractions & watch jersey shore, or they're narcissistic cold hearted douche bags always trying to feel superior to other people. if you have even a shred of compassion its probably just because you were shafted by life also. if things had gone your way, you would be a complete dick also.

i seriously hope you all die a tragic horrible death. i hope none of your dreams come true. i hope your failures haunt you at night and keep you awake. i hope your insecurities burn through you when you look in the mirror after taking a painful shit. i hope one day you realize what a piece of shit you are and kill yourselves. -Jesus Christ

see you soon

>> No.3641010

>>3640983

Uni was a lot harder, i worked about 3x as much than in CC for about the same grades. When your at a school that specializes in engineering they really kick your ass...plus i didnt work as hard as i could have, i realize that know.

>> No.3641011

>>3635540
Tell me more

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>>3641009

>> No.3641020

>>3640996

Interesting. I'm actually a non traditional student, that is to say, I'm 23 years old as a sophomore doing EE, so I really don't want to take any longer than 4 years to graduate. Besides, apparently my university doesn't want you to take any longer than 5 years to do an engineering degree.

If I was still a young whippersnapper I'd consider it maybe.

>> No.3641021

>>3635552
>>3635499
get an internship dipshit

>>3635532
presumably, you know someone who got an internship. talk to them. bam, now you have a connection. repeat until you have lots of connections. chances are, one of them can hook you up.

im doing cs, and the amount of internship opportunities is huge if you demonstrate interest by programming on your own time.

why cant an EE buy a fucking arduino board and do some hobby circuit shit? jesus, corporations like lockheed martin have shitloads of job postings, and i wish i could have done just half of the ones that asked specificalyl for EE or ME

if you really havent found ANY internship opportunity, then you havent been looking, because EEs can end up in software jobs just like math and physics majors.

>> No.3641023

If you're going to come out as a gigantic unlikeable piece of whiny shit on the internet, please put on a trip.

>> No.3641025

>>3640997
Misrepresentation during an interview isn't only grounds for dismissal, in some states its a felony.

>> No.3641034

>>3640997
what grades did you get in calculus?

>> No.3641052

>>3641034
i got a 100

>> No.3641071

Now im just trying to improve my resume,
>Taking the LabVIEW certification exam in two weeks, im sure i'll pass it
>Getting my engineer-in-training certificate in October(by passing the FE exam)
>Learning AutoCAD and hopefully will be able to get certified after 2 or 3 months of practice.
>>3641034
Calc 1:C
Calc 2: B
Calc 3: C

>> No.3641090

>>3641071
when people post grades with Cs and Bs, i have to wonder if my school is really shitty, since i feel like if i got less than a 90% on any of my calc tests, then i wouldnt have understood the material well enough to excel in later calc/physics classes

>> No.3641124

>>3641090
The difficulty and content of math classes varies quite a bit from school to school. I failed the midterm in my engineering linear algebra class in my first year so I dropped the class and chose to take the regular version in the summer. Doing a tiny bit more work I ended up getting a 100% on everything in that class. So scraping by and getting a C in a hard math class can leave someone with just as much knowledge as someone who sailed through an easier course covering the same content getting an A.

Now looking at what OP has said in the rest of the thread I kind of doubt this applies to him but I'm just saying.

>> No.3641173

>>3641124
>>3641090

This is pretty much the facts. My first solid mechanics course was pretty tough and the class had a 2.4 average. The same course, offered over the summer, had an 3.8 average. And tutoring my girlfriend while she took the class, I can definitely say its not because the people were smarter.