The year is 2025, /sci/ has formed an underwater community.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3605369]

How do we delegate responsibilities? What are the laws, if any, and how do we enforce them? How do we defend our home? What do we produce and export to pay our expenses?

/sci/ is at it's best while brainstorming, have at it. And when 2025 rolls around, provided enough people can pony up $35 grand each, something like this could plausibly happen.

[Anonymous No.3605383]

before I die, I'm gonna fuck me a fish

[cy No.3605385]

We need fusion.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3605390]

P.S. if you'd prefer some other habitat formation, I've got Maya open and can oblige you. This is another example of how you could potentially connect them, they're modular by design.

[Blackman No.3605393]

Bestiality is legal as long as the hamsters give consent.

[Anonymous No.3605399]

1) We harvest wave energy to create power.
2) We export energy.
3)We become bigger than Enron.
4)?????????
5)PROFIT

Seriously what else can we do?

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3605438]

>>3605399

Aquaponic farming. Pic related.

[Anonymous No.3605444]

>2025
>not mating dolphins

ISHYGDDT

[Blackman No.3605447]

>>3605444

[Anonymous No.3605453]

Africa thread guy here, glad I at least inspired something.

Saving my $35k now.

[Blackman No.3605470]

>>3605453
>he thinks he inspired something

/sci/ has did things like this for over 40 years.

[Anonymous No.3605471]

Wouldn't it be much cheaper to have the community floating on top of the ocean on some kind of giant module dock system? You could have boats or motors to keep it in the same spot in the middle of the ocean so your borders stay consistent. An underwater community would be much harder to invade, but with enough investment in machine guns and other defenses, that really shouldn't be a problem for a mega-dock structure, either.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3605478]

>>3605453

FYI, this is what it gets you. Each habitat is large enough to sleep two on fold-down cots and has the same interior space as a modest trailer. There's a small kitchenette (minifridge, microwave, sink) and an entertainment console (flat panel LCD built into the wall with compact DVD player) included. It's not a mansion, but for the price of a decent car, it's pretty reasonable.

[Anonymous No.3605480]

>>3605438
Well that was a given. Also is there any way we can have above ground agriculture going on underwater. I haven't really heard of any tech for this.
Why? Because I don't want to eat fish every fucking day.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3605486]

>>3605471

>Wouldn't it be much cheaper to have the community floating on top of the ocean

No not really. You need vastly more materials to build a huge floating platform and a single storm can devastate it. The chief advantage in being underwater when at sea is insulation from weather.

[Anonymous No.3605492]

>>3605471
you'll get killed by the hurricanes.

[Anonymous No.3605500]

>>3605471

also, you could have a variety of businesses in this little ocean nation. drug tourism, fish farms, hyrdroponic gardens, tax haven, banking privacy laws which could make it a great place for money launderers. Not to mention you would be free to do all sorts of shady genetic experiments that other countries have outlawed like cloning, human-ape hybrids, and other crazy shit.

as far as energy, you could get most of your power through solar and wave absorption.

[Anonymous No.3605519]

>>3605500
Yes but with all those shady businesses you get all the shady people that go along with it. If that stuff is in my ocean society i don't want to be a part of it. I don't want to live in under water america.

[Cobra Dane !!yaSBmkxkeJj No.3605523]

35k for cots and single room?

You should buy a semi-submersible oil rig,slap a hi rise apartment on there and roam the seas.

building under water is fucking dangerous,not to mention all the spooky marine life down there.

[Reasonable No.3605531]

Well, have we decided what type of government and economic system to have yet?

[Anonymous No.3605540]

>>3605492
>>3605486

there's not any strong hurricanes in the south-eastern region of the north-atlantic gyre, the main thing to worry about is large waves, which are really not that big a deal, as long as the roof of the docks are sealed with plexiglass or something so they can't flood.

you could also have the mega dock in the center of the south atlantic gyre, where there's no hurricanes at all.

you really think an underwater city would be cheaper than a surface city? we're talking about thousands of chambers built from 1-foot thick solid steel, it would be ludicrous. and you would only have artificial light, not real sunlight. chambers big enough for farming would have to be huge and ridiculously expensive. what's cheaper, a 2 acre reinforced dock, or a 2 acre steel dome that can withstand 10,000 psi?

[Reasonable No.3605543]

Well, have we decided what type of government and economic system to have yet? Quite a bit of this is based on that. Or shall we create our own system?

[Anonymous No.3605550]

>How do we delegate responsibilities?

Mostly, I think delegation of duties will follow from the larger plan for social structure.

In the short term, it would be easy to simply be a part of an existing nation and work as a commercial venture. Have people sign up for a specific job to join the community. Trading jobs could be done in a controlled fashion to prevent it form getting confusing. The problem with this is that it would run into problems if people start being born and raised in the station, or wish to live in it past retirement.

With such a small population there's little reason to have laws other than those protecting safety, health, and against serious material theft. Any other restrictions would likely relate to interactions with the larger world.

Again, due to having at most a few hundred residents, direct voting would be an option for less pressing matters. For administration that needs to be done expediently, I think we could have a dual council in which one part proposes a number of options and the other has a quick instant-runoff vote to choose among them. Not sure how well that would actually work.

I'll be going to bed soon, so I might not see the replies to this. Also, I might be too tired ot think straight.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3605560]

>>3605390

I'm not sure whether those are projections of surface-level ripples or underwater sand formations, but don't you think they look a little large for a base like that? Shouldn't it be more rocky around, to make it look like a super-serious underwater base sort of dealie rather than an extension of beachfront property, so to speak?

[Anonymous No.3605562]

We come up with a list of essential jobs. Everyone takes an aptitude test that assigns them to their best possible match.
Laws would be basic shit: no killing humans, inbreeding, stealing, etc, etc. As long as it ain't total anarchy. Establish a police force with non-lethal weapons.
We get torpedo launchers and other weapons that would be effective under water, but wouldn't jeopardize the stability of the structure. Maybe an armory, that requires the authorization of 51% of the population?
We could farm pearls and other aquatic animals that are expensive. Create technologies and sell them, but only things like entertainment not anything dangerous.
And to power ourselves we could have a huge gymnasium type thing with bikes that generate electricity.

[Anonymous No.3605563]

>>3605519
shady businesses are the only way an ocean community could ever become wealthy. not many people would want to live underwater or at sea for years at a time if it's a pain in the ass to get back to the continents and there's no real advantages to living there.

i mean, without drugs or tax havens or any of that shit, people would come to visit and get bored after the first day. the novelty would quickly wear off. cool, i'm underwater....now what? what is the point of having your own country if you can't have more libertarian style government and all drugs legalized?

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3605569]

>>3605540

>you really think an underwater city would be cheaper than a surface city? we're talking about thousands of chambers built from 1-foot thick solid steel, it would be ludicrous.

No we're not. You have assumed two things; First, that they will be very deep. They won't be. Perhaps 90-100 feet. Secondly, you've assumed that they will be of a 1atm design and therefore need thick hulls to withstand a high pressure differential. They are in fact of an ambient pressure design, meaning that the air inside is the same pressure as the water outside. The hull is mostly kevlar and plastic with a thin steel exoskeleton only to handle the buoyancy forces.

>and you would only have artificial light, not real sunlight.

Not true, sunlight penetrates to around 600 feet. At 90 feet daylight would look something like the picture.

>chambers big enough for farming would have to be huge and ridiculously expensive.

Untrue, we'd farm fish and aquatic plants which wouldn't need an air filled enclosure.

>what's cheaper, a 2 acre reinforced dock, or a 2 acre steel dome that can withstand 10,000 psi?

The dock, but your comparison rests on mistaken assumptions that stem from a lack of knowledge concerning the design and operation of ambient pressure habitats. I recommend Ian Koblick's "Living and Working in the Sea". It's an excellent and very comprehensive book about the history of manned undersea habitats and the principles on which they operate.

[Anonymous No.3605586]

We could also did into underwater mountain ranges.
I'm not sure about the compositon of the soil down there, but if is mostly sand wouldn't it be easy to mine a small complex and reinforce with steel to keep it stable.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3605592]

>>3605563

>not many people would want to live underwater or at sea for years at a time if it's a pain in the ass to get back to the continents

It isn't, you could simply take a boat back to land whenever. It's not on Mars or something, there's no reason people would be stuck there.

>and there's no real advantages to living there.

Except free land, abundant free food and uninterrupted renewable power from the gulf stream. Also this is the view out of your window every morning (see pic) but other than that, yeah totally, no advantages.

[Anonymous No.3605595]

>>3605550 Oh, before I go to bed, one more thing.

Octopus assassins. They're smart, they can sneak into almost anywhere if they want to, and they don't live long enough to have something worth rebelling for.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3605599]

>>3605569

>"Living and Working in the Sea"

Yes, about that, are there online versions of any of those sea-related books you recommended? (I already got the science-fiction novels from the other thread, pic related)

In exchange I can give you the only copy of Nanosystems on the entire Internet, not to be found anywhere else.

[Cobra Dane !!yaSBmkxkeJj No.3605602]

>>3605569

Where are you going to find unclaimed land to build on? 90-100 feet of water will be within the EEZ of most nations.

serious question

But,building and underwater habitat will cost more than building a same sized floating habitat.

In fact if you are planning on shallow water just buy a jack up rig,cheaper and safer to live in,and can run from bad weather.

[Anonymous No.3605608]

>>3605569
haha ok, you want to build an underwater nation only 100 or 200 feet deep? where exactly could you build a place like this without building on another nation's sea borders? the only place i could think of like this would be the east china sea, but china claims it as it's economic zone, so they would absolutely wreck your shit if you ever tried building something there.

[Anonymous No.3605613]

>>3605563
At that rate might as well open up an underwater brothel, and casino. Where do you draw the line?

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3605614]

>>3605599

Sadly no, but it's cheap on Amazon. What did you think of Dark Life?

[Anonymous No.3605616]

>>3605592
HAHAAAAHHA you think the land would be free? you think the food would be free? good fucking luck with that, buddy.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3605618]

>>3605599

Um, pic related was this. Bit of a derp there.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3605620]

>>3605614

Still haven't read it. I think that's one of the few I couldn't find, but I did get all the Peter Watts novels. Coincidentally I'd heard of Blindsight before from the Atomic Rockets site.

[Anonymous No.3605628]

>>3605613
brothels and casinos are fucking awesome, you simply don't draw the line. people wouldn't go all the way to another country for whores and gambling, though, you can go to vegas for that. drug lords would come there to buy large supplies of opium, meth, other shit like that for cheap and sail home. but it would probably mostly be a tax haven and money laundering haven.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3605630]

>>3605608

>haha ok, you want to build an underwater nation only 100 or 200 feet deep? where exactly could you build a place like this without building on another nation's sea borders?

I believe it's called "the continental shelf". Rather shallow water for 200 miles and then a steep dropoff to the abyssal plain. Our community would be situated midway up a seamount, as they have rich ecosystems to feed us.

Full disclosure: I am a member of a nonprofit organization founded by a NASA bioengineer which will be establishing the first permanent undersea colony in 2015. You might say I know a modest amount about this topic.

[Anonymous No.3605640]

>>3605592
that is VERY VERY clear and clean tropical water. it is very hard to find a place with water that clear, that is 100ft deep and not in any country's EEZ.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3605642]

>>3605616

>>HAHAAAAHHA you think the land would be free? you think the food would be free? good fucking luck with that, buddy.

Yes, outside of a country's exclusive economic zone one can freely build on the seafloor. Multiple corporations including Siemens have built power grids on subsea land for precisely this reason:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9PbkwSYxpE

That's not to say you can get away with anything, there is a UN body which loosely governs the open ocean, but there is as of yet no dollar figure attached to subsea land beyond the EEZ.

I don't know why you insist on laughing at my answers. Some of them may seem counterintuitive at first but I assure you that I do know what I'm talking about.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.3605643]

>>3605640

Halogen lights all over the place, and a dome of porous diaphanous material to filter all the civilizational crap.

>inb4 someone pilots a sub through it

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3605649]

>>3605640

> it is very hard to find a place with water that clear, that is 100ft deep and not in any country's EEZ.

This is about the kind of visibility we could realistically expect. I still think it's a compelling view.

[Cobra Dane !!yaSBmkxkeJj No.3605651]

>>3605630
So what?

That land would be part of the EEZ and you would either need to buy it(think its public trust and cannot be owned) or get permission from a/government which would mean you would still be part of the US

So where are you landing your habitat?

[Anonymous No.3605653]

>The year is 2025, /sci/ has formed an underwater community

>faggotry ensues
>i murder everyone

[Anonymous No.3605654]

>>3605628
>MFW america invades us or bombs the freedom out of us because we are helping terrorist organizations with drugs and money laundering.

[Blackman No.3605663]

>>3605653
Implying I'm not going to make a horror movie using this idea

[Anonymous No.3605665]

>>3605630
we're not talking about a sealab, we're talking about a country that will have an actual economy and trade with other countries.

this is america's EEZ. as you can see, it covers the entire continental shelf. this is because america likes to set up oil rigs wherever it wants.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3605667]

>>3605651

>That land would be part of the EEZ

No, we choose a plot of land just outside of it which is still on the continental shelf. The EEZ does not precisely match the contours of the conshelf. It leaves us with just a few choices for the location but many are still ideal. You just seem determined to throw a wrench in the gears in order to spoil everyone's enjoyment of this discussion. What motivates you? Have I offended you at some point in the past? If so I'm certainly sorry.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3605670]

>>3605665

>this is america's EEZ. as you can see, it covers the entire continental shelf.

It doesn't, not precisely, and even if it did there's still the possibility of locating the colony at 90 feet midway up a seamount. Failing that, we make the colony structure neutrally buoyant so it hovers in place like a space station at the desired depth and we anchor it to the seafloor far below via cables.

What now?

[Anonymous No.3605672]

>>3605642
the post i was responding to was about people's incentives to live on the ocean floor. you said one of the incentive would be that people could move in for free and be fed for free. this is not the case, ever. you could not get anyone to sponsor a bizarre charity work like this.

[Cobra Dane !!yaSBmkxkeJj No.3605677]

>>3605667
I want to know where you are landing this rig.

I'm a merchant mariner with a engineering license,I like marine shit.

I doubt you will find a viable spot that is not within a EEZ.

pro-tip: build a neutrally buoyant sea station with tension legs that way you can set up spot in the open ocean.


got the lat and lon of a viable landing sights?

[Anonymous No.3605681]

Fuck having a structured government with placement tests and other retarded bullshit.

I'll build my own city, completely free as long as you don't negate from the well being of another conscious creature.

Fuck the hub connections too, we'll need a central area for meeting and organization, and terminals for expanding. Each city will have leaders that will have all the power delegating food and so on. Anyone will be free to build their own city or setup a hub on their own will, but they'll have a lot more personal responsibilities getting their own source of internet, food, medical care and so on.

[Cobra Dane !!yaSBmkxkeJj No.3605686]

>>3605670

you...you have a sea station idea too?

[Blackman No.3605690]

Will blacks be allowed?

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3605696]

>>3605677

>I doubt you will find a viable spot that is not within a EEZ.

Here are our options. Even if you eliminate the possibility of building anywhere on the conshelf there's still two more options. I favor the seamount locations because of the local ecosystems, plentiful food that way. That's one of the big promises that makes this way of life alluring, can't exactly abandon that.

[Anonymous No.3605698]

mad scientist what is your day job?

[Blackman No.3605704]

>>3605698
YFW he works on an Indian reservation

[Anonymous No.3605705]

>>3605698

Making underwater colonization & hamster habitat threads.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3605706]

>>3605698

This is the internet, probably a bad idea to hand out info like that. It has nothing to do with underwater shit though, which is probably what you were wondering.

[Anonymous No.3605710]

>>3605667
i'm not trying to ruin anyone's fun, it's just that everyone else here seems incredibly idealistic and naive about this whole thing. i'm thinking practically and realistically. can a human really survive on a diet of fish, seaweed, and mushrooms? i guess you could, but you'd need multivitamins of course. this thing needs to be almost completely self sufficient and needs to have a strong stable economy. you need to give people an actual incentive to live there and visit the place. not just "SEALAB!!!!", cause that's not reality. you've proven your point very well about building an underwater structure on the continental shelf and i concede that the EEZ of usa doesn't actually take up the whole shelf. However, you make it seem like everyone will have these great bright tropical views of coral reefs and sharks, which isn't the case at all. as i said before, the water would need to be very clear for that.

[Anonymous No.3605714]

>>3605696
options 2 & 3 are ideal
option 1 would allow some country to bullshit the borders and impose its laws on us.

[Anonymous No.3605719]

IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR ME, YOU BETTER CHECK UNDER THE SEA, CUZ THAT IS WHERE YOU'LL FIND ME, UNDERNEATH THE SEA...LAB....UNDERNEATH THE WATER

[Anonymous No.3605721]

>>3605710
Isn't that the diet of most japs?

[Anonymous No.3605725]

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[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3605726]

>>3605710

>this thing needs to be almost completely self sufficient

No it wouldn't. No community on Earth is totally self sufficient. Your hometown isn't self sufficient. The last meal you ate was made from ingredients that came from multiple different countries around the world.

What prevents taking a boat to shore to restock on food and supplies every so often? What is it with peoples' fixation on self sufficience when you mention underwater living?

[Anonymous No.3605728]

>>3605710
cont'd

Actually, no, i want you to provide a credible source that says there's bits of continental shelf that aren't owned by america. look at that map again. it seems the government went out of it's way to ensure they had the entire fucking shelf for oil drilling. i'm gonna need a solid source here, mad scientist.

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[Anonymous No.3605730]

>>3605726
notice the world "almost".

[Anonymous No.3605736]

Is corrosion ever a serious issue when dealing with underwater habitats?

As for defending our homes, could an all-around sonar system similar to radar systems above ground be practical?

[Cobra Dane !!yaSBmkxkeJj No.3605738]

>>3605696

seamounts are not the most stable landing ground: land slides,volcanic activity, high currents not to mention they are trawled often don't want to get snagged by a net.


also a lot of seamounts are within EEZs...


tension leg sea station on top of a guyot is a good option

[Anonymous No.3605739]

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[Anonymous No.3605742]

i still have no idea why people want an independent country even though they don't want to legalize drugs and tax havens and all that shit. if you're gonna be a pussy about it, might as well just build an underwater resort hotel in Hawaii, which people are already doing.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3605746]

>>3605736

>Is corrosion ever a serious issue when dealing with underwater habitats?

Depends on the materials and precautions. These would be mostly plastic and kevlar, but for the steel exoskeleton we'd use what are called 'sacrificial zinc anodes'. They are zinc rods that are electrified with a low voltage. They attract all of the corrosion away from the steel (yes this sounds bizarre but really works, large ships use it to protect their hulls) and require replacing every so often for this reason.

[Anonymous No.3605750]

obligatory mindsex from before.

Would be nice if someone dumped the moon station and whatever spawned in the last few weeks.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3605755]

>>3605742

>might as well just build an underwater resort hotel in Hawaii, which people are already doing.

Link? I'm not aware of any such project. If you mean the Poseidon Undersea Resort, that's in Fiji.

[Anonymous No.3605762]

>>3605742
Yes your right lets not be pussies, even though america will view what we are doing as a threat. Then free' the shit out of us when we don't cease and desist.

[Anonymous No.3605768]

>>3605746
post source on some parts of continental shelf being outside of any country's EEZ or else all of your posts in this thread are invalid. no one in this thread will take you seriously if you ignore this post, trust me, i'm talking to 2 of them on AIM right now.

[Fast paced tempos !!TMq6FoEFyM2 No.3605771]

>>3605592
I do realize it's a nice view... but at night would be frightening as fuck to look and if some gigantic sea "thing" were to be in front of your fucking window by the morning you would probably freakout.

But keeping on the thread subject: Since we would be a small colony and probably energy sufficient, money making selling energy seems pretty good in my opinion. Although we would need some land structure at some point, but still a nice way of making some cash.

But I do have a concern... how long can one stay at such places? Indefinately? Or he needs to go to land every few weeks? This would sky rocket costs...

P.S.: Hello there Mad Scientist.

[Anonymous No.3605773]

>>3605771
>but at night would be frightening as fuck to look and if some gigantic sea "thing" were to be in front of your fucking window by the morning you would probably freakout.

Curtains.

[Anonymous No.3605776]

>>3605762
ok, then please explain what economic incentive investors will have for creating this underwater country? without "shady businesses" there is absolutely none.

[Blackman No.3605778]

Will affirmative action exist in this community?

[Anonymous No.3605783]

>>3605778
niggers, under da see?

Mee so crazy

[Anonymous No.3605790]

>>3605742

Don't worry bro.

In my underwater city we'll have little to no taxes, legalized drugs, prostitutes and so on.

We'll make an outward statement claiming the underwater lands and have weapons to back up our claims, anyone without permission within a certain radius will be killed on the spot.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3605791]

>>3605768

>post source on some parts of continental shelf being outside of any country's EEZ or else all of your posts in this thread are invalid.

That doesn't follow. It would only invalidate that one claim, and I provided two other potential options both of which everyone agreed remain valid even if the conshelf isn't an option. However I will go on to cite the definition below.

>no one in this thread will take you seriously if you ignore this post, trust me, i'm talking to 2 of them on AIM right now.

I don't think you speak for everyone. However, here's my citation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusive_Economic_Zone

>A state's exclusive economic zone starts at the seaward edge of its territorial sea and extends outward to a distance of 200 nautical miles (370,4 km) from the baseline.[3] Thus, the EEZ includes the contiguous zone. States also have rights to the seabed of what is called the continental shelf up to 350 nautical miles (648 km) from the coastal baseline, beyond the EEZ, but such areas are not part of their EEZ.

As you can see, anywhere beyond the 350 mile mark is outside of the EEZ and outside of a nation's rightful ownership. The continental shelf extends further than 350 miles from shore.

[Anonymous No.3605801]

>>3605791
you must still provide a valid economic plan for this sealab. who's funding the initial build? what's the tourism like, besides a nice view? what would they trade? how much would it cost for someone to buy a room?

[Anonymous No.3605820]

>>3605801

Read the fucking thread bro.

Also its 2025, most jobs will be via the net.

[Anonymous No.3605822]

I Propose you build it in Australian Territorial Water. Nice and warm

[Fast paced tempos !!TMq6FoEFyM2 No.3605825]

>>3605822
And by some reason feels like 10 Nuclear Reactors have blown up near the land and it's waters.
Animals there are fucking nature aberrations, all over-sized and what not. No fucking way.

P.S.: Mad, refer to >>3605771

[Anonymous No.3605832]

Who's going to fund the Thorium Reactor?

[Anonymous No.3605837]

I love you, Mad Scientist.

[Anonymous No.3605853]

So what's so great about living in a cramped sea-habitat? Seems like living on land in the fresh air and sunshine is a lot nicer.

[Anonymous No.3605873]

>>3605853

>being on the forefront of a developing society
>evading tax, legalizing drugs etc

[Anonymous No.3605889]

>>3605853
would it kill you to read the thread before posting? that's already been answered
see >>3605592

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3605911]

>>3605853

>So what's so great about living in a cramped sea-habitat?

Waking up each morning to the rippling light from the surface on your eyelids, listening to the gentle hiss and bubbling of the life support system, looking out your window to see a rolling landscape dotted with plants and coral bathed in a radiant blue light.

>Seems like living on land in the fresh air and sunshine is a lot nicer.

You don't live outside, do you? You live in a house, just like you would underwater. And water isn't solid, it's not like you can't pass through it and are trapped inside the habitat. You're free to go outside and explore all you like. It's a vast wide open wilderness no less real than any on land, you just need to get to the place where you feel just as at home in water as in air.

[Anonymous No.3606138]

>>3605911

> looking out your window to see a rolling landscape dotted with plants and coral bathed in a radiant blue light.

Have you ever actually been under the sea? It's like playing a PS1 game - a draw distance of about 50 metres before the distance-fog sets in,

[Anonymous No.3606151]

>>3605478
i already live in a trailer. if i dont have to share it with 3 other people, or sleep in the living room, id do that shit now.

[Anonymous No.3606275]

couple of things, has anyone mentioned thermal vents? also how are we going to deal with the pressure - it can't be good for a human after long periods?

[resident /sci/ economist !!0CqB7P/574e No.3606303]

I say... we abide by an extreme libertarian philosphy!

[Anonymous No.3606304]

I was actually giving this some serious thought for a while but i've decided that the whole concept is somewhat fucking ridiculous. I can see deep sea thermal powerstations and research centers staffed on a cycled roster but a whole community is impracticle and unnecessary. i anything the money should be invested in space exploration and colonization research. the technology developed in this race would be far more benificial and still have elements that benefit your deepsea fantasies. so fuck you

[Servoskull No.3606326]

I give you 500€ for a 15m2 room in such an underwater-base. Obviously I want full access to the laboratory, so I can continue my evil science.

[resident /sci/ economist !!0CqB7P/574e No.3606331]

Itd be fun to take out a mortgage on an undersea house. And then not pay.

How can they come after you?

[Anonymous No.3606338]

>>3605569

[ ] Not told
[x] No country for Told Men

[Anonymous No.3606353]

>>3606331

Depth charges.

[Anonymous No.3606355]

>>3606303

What I want to know is how are robots going to fit into all this?

[resident /sci/ economist !!0CqB7P/574e No.3606371]

>>3606353

"Aw gee, I sure wish I didnt give the banks my depth charges as collateral. Do I feel I stupid"

>>3606355

My Friend, this is my face.

[Anonymous No.3607529]

>>3606303

I say we abide by an extreme librarian philosophy!

[Anonymous No.3607560]

Why the fuck would you be underwater?

[Anonymous No.3607597]

>>3607560

How I was I supposed to know the bottom of the ocean was wet?

[Anonymous No.3607609]

Hey Mad Scientist quick question, how does it make you feel that I've never physically been in the ocean?

[Anonymous No.3607620]

>>3607560
>>3607597

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3607676]

Bumping for damn interesting topic.

[Anonymous No.3609013]

This underwater community stuff is really cool but I don't see any reason why it would be a necessity, and rather just for the hell of it. If you wanted to build an actual sustainable offshore community outside of any country's EEZ it would seem to me to be far easier to go with platforms even at considerable depths, maybe anchored with cables or something like the mobile offshore base concept the US Navy considered for period. I understand the argument that it would likely require more materials to build, but I really don't see a community of people living permanently living in a bunch of pods the size of small dorm rooms being happy without a sizable platform to surface to.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3609044]

>>3609013

>I really don't see a community of people living permanently living in a bunch of pods the size of small dorm rooms being happy without a sizable platform to surface to.

I am one of those people, and we have more than enough members to constitute a colony. You may not understand it, but that's how we want to live.

>I don't see any reason why it would be a necessity

Neither was developing Hawaii. We did so because people wanted badly to live/visit there because it is beautiful. Totally unnecessary, but desire made it happen. Same deal with living underwater. Not everything we do as a species needs to be purely pragmatic. If we all lived that way I think the world would quickly become a bleak concrete dystopia pretty quickly. Sometimes we need to do things not because they are strictly necessary but because we want to, and feel it would be a wonderful accomplishment.

[H+ No.3609056]

I want one of these.

Equatorial, mid-pacific. No storm issues. You can tether the underwater habitats to it, and I can grow all your food. Also function as a port.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3609091]

>>3609056

Something like this makes more sense to me. THe vertical alignment makes it tremendously stable, you build them upside down in the shipyard like a traditional skyscraper, float it out to sea, submerge it halfway, then let it flip over. That's a pretty simple construction and deployment process whereas I can't see how we'd build your large circular islands.

Also due to the vertical design, an OTEC power generator that makes electricity from the thermal differential between the deeper layers of the sea and the upper layers can run down the spine of the structure and produce most or all of the electricity needed.

Because most of it's underwater, expanding outward with new modules or using it as a docking port for subs from seafloor installations would work fine.

[H+ No.3609101]

>>3609091

Basically. And you're partially right, it's basically built underwater, sinking as it's constructed to allow workers to work at ground level instead of high atop cranes and dangerous girders. Saves on transporting materials.

[H+ No.3609105]

>>3609101

It's modular as well, so it can be easily expanded upon if and when your "New Atlantis" grows.

[H+ No.3609112]

>>3609105

Annnd it's carbon negative, self-sufficient, and the perfect anti-zombie defence.

[cy No.3609119]

Jazz like this makes me wonder about Europa.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3609122]

>>3609105
Jacque Fresco just had an orgasm

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3609124]

>>3609112

We both have our preferred designs that we will promote to the exclusion of others simply because they're the ones that we happened to investigate first and have imprinted on our imagined image of what the future should be like. But really they are the same thing, use the same principles, serve the same functions, and whatever does get built will most likely look like neither of them. Therefore there's no need for this argument.

[Anonymous No.3609125]

Doesn't any tall, submerged structure encounter a difference between sea surface temperatures and deep sea?

This difference should allow a heat engine.

[H+ No.3609127]

>>3609124

Oh hell, I'm not arguing, I'm saying we can totally do both.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3609138]

>>3609127

For what purpose? A single standardized design is preferable, and whatever form it takes will integrate the best features of both as it will need to in order to make the case for building it to investors.

[Anonymous No.3609142]

>>3609125
You're not going to get a lot of energy out of that.

[H+ No.3609149]

>>3609138

Oh, I thought you meant in preference to your underwater model.

[Anonymous No.3609152]

>>3609142
Quantity is just a matter of the volume of water going through the engine. 20-25C top & <4C bottom offers a simple way to collect solar energy.

[Anonymous No.3609157]

>>3609142
The greater the temperature gap the more power you can generate.

Tall underwater buildings would be perfect for OTEC.

[Anonymous No.3609161]

>>3609152
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_thermal_energy_conversion

good luck

[Anonymous No.3609387]

>>3609138
>For what purpose


Totally unnecessary, but desire made it happen. Same deal with living underwater. Not everything we do as a species needs to be purely pragmatic. If we all lived that way I think the world would quickly become a bleak concrete dystopia pretty quickly. Sometimes we need to do things not because they are strictly necessary but because we want to, and feel it would be a wonderful accomplishment.