Development continues on the subsea frontier.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3587713]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/8228548/Brazil-to-replace-oil-rigs-
with-underwater-cities.html

"Petrobras plans to turn science fiction into reality to extract oil from the vast pre-salt oil fields discovered off the south east coast of Brazil.

The plan is to construct 'cities’ more than 2,000 metres under water, containing machines, giant pieces of equipment and robots that could inspect the systems being used to extract millions of barrels of oil. Many operations would be fully automated while others would be controlled by humans at a distance."

Yay for oceanic development, but boo for automating it or relying on remote administration.

Interestingly though this exact development was popularly predicted in the 1970s. Pic related, they got everything right except assuming it would be manned. My hope is that as these operations expand it will become a practical necessity to have populations living down there to service all of it. People who live paycheck to paycheck tend to live where the work is.

Add this to the hydrothermal vent mining operations and the discovery of deep sea rare earth mineral deposits by Japanese oceanographers and it's becoming increasingly obvious where the next big frontier is. How do you plan to get your piece of it?

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3587739]

Btw this is the pic that post was referring to, couldn't use it for the thread pic because it's black and white, people just scrolled past it. Needed something more eye grabbing.

[Anonymous No.3587759]

Oil, eh?

If it helps get us into the great blue frontier, ok then I guess.

[Anonymous No.3587768]

>>3587739
Colour it in MS paint

Why not go for remote control again? other than the "THIS IS FUCKING AWESOME" factor.

[Anonymous No.3587773]

good call faggot

[SAGEGOESINALLFIELDS No.3587778]

LOL, wanted to read your post, then it 404'd.
When would these be up and running? Would love to see it happen.
And then, yes, the revolution of underwaterlife would be easily set.
Btw, you're really keen on water and non-gilled animals aren't you?
First your hamster, now this.

[Anonymous No.3587804]

>>3587713
we can't even create a sustainable biosphere, what makes you think we can do this

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3587809]

>>3587768

>Why not go for remote control again? other than the "THIS IS FUCKING AWESOME" factor.

The "THIS IS FUCKIGN AWESOME" factor.

[Anonymous No.3587817]

>>3587713
we can't even make a sutainable biosphere what makes you think we can do this?

[Anonymous No.3587820]

>>3587809
Very well. I suppose you have my support, sah.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3587822]

>>3587804

>we can't even create a sustainable biosphere, what makes you think we can do this

The fact that it's being done? Apparently it's not as hard as the biosphere thing.

Wait, were you under the impression that anything built underwater has to be self sufficient or some nonsense?

[Anonymous No.3587831]

>>3587822
duh everythin on earth is a closed system lol

[Anonymous No.3587849]

>>3587822
well yeah, you need it to be for some time in case of disaster on the surface.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3587850]

>>3587831

>duh everythin on earth is a closed system lol

As a whole. But no city on Earth is self sufficient. The last meal you ate was not comprised of grains, vegetables, meat, etc. farmed entirely within your state. Most of the ingredients came from other states. It would be no different underwater. Nothing prevents you from taking a boat to shore to get groceries.

[Anonymous No.3587860]

>>3587713
I wouldn't want to be the janitor. That place would get ugly fast.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3587861]

>>3587849

>well yeah, you need it to be for some time in case of disaster on the surface.

You watch too much science fiction.

[Anonymous No.3587867]

>>3587849
dude wut

you don't need a biosphere for that.

>>3587850
I was being sarcastic. There's no closed system on earth that supports life.

I don't want to take my trolling down another notch, but you may well have forced me to do it.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3587886]

>>3587867

I can't prevent you from trolling and I am bad at telling when people are trolling in general, but especially on topics where there's legitimately a lot of misconceptions. And besides it's no real inconvenience if I answer an insincere question seriously. I don't anger easily and it's in my nature to patiently share information on topics I'm enthusiastic about. :3

[Anonymous No.3587888]

>>3587861
science fiction tends to become real life.
example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futility,_or_the_Wreck_of_the_Titan

[Anonymous No.3587896]

>>3587888
other examples include the flip phone in star trek

[Anonymous No.3587906]

>>3587886
As a bitter and cynical chap, I shall make it my personal goal to piss you off over the next few years, if necessary by habitage.

to the plotting room.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3587909]

>>3587888

I was objecting to the assumption that civilization undersea exists for the sake of civilization on land. It doesn't. People living on one continent don't go about their lives grimly devoted to continuing civilization in the event that life on other continents is wiped out. Of course they would if that happened but it's not something they consider their main purpose. They live where they do because they were born there.

[Anonymous No.3587913]

>>3587896
1984
brave new world

undersea disasters will be an eventuality

[Anonymous No.3587924]

>>3587909
ok

[Anonymous No.3587931]

>>3587913
1984 and the "HURR ORWELL" crowd are such bullshitters. The exact course of events required for Brave new world to be a reality are taking place and nobody gives a shit because the other one is scarier and more well known.
Quit bitching about cameras. Were they a problem, I would have had you shot by now. Enjoy your repetitive trickle of internet information instead, kthxbai.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3587940]

>>3587913

>undersea disasters will be an eventuality

The irony being that disasters like the japanese tsunami afflict cities on land all the time but we don't see it as a reason to abandon efforts to live on land.

Although, if the fukushima reactor had been one of these, it would still be fine. at 300 feet depth these are beyond the reach of storms and they are slightly positively buoyant, suspended by shock absorbant restraints, so an earthquake wouldn't do shit to them.

[Anonymous No.3587994]

>>3587940
>>3587940
Are you implying a nuclear reactor underwater? Good luck. If that thing gets fucked all sea life within a thousand or more miles will be dead and there will be a contaminated water supply.

[Anonymous No.3588001]

>>3587994
Are you unfamiliar with the concept of containment, brah?

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3588028]

>>3587994

>Are you implying a nuclear reactor underwater?

Yes, they're being built by the french energy company Flexblue.

Good luck. If that thing gets fucked all sea life within a thousand or more miles will be dead and there will be a contaminated water supply.

No, not at all. That's why the Fukushima plant was flooded with seawater. Water is an excellent radiation shield, provided you put the reactor well away from any far reaching currents the spread would be minimal and the radiatioactive material would settle on the bottom. Radiation from it wouldn't reach past a few feet let alone to the surface.

This is incidentally also why spent nuclear fuel is stored in big pools of water. Pic related.

So basically either way it gets into the water in the event of a disaster. At least this way meltdowns are drastically less likely because it's immersed in coolant and shielding, and immune from tsunamis/earthquakes/storms.

[Anonymous No.3588024]

>>3587940
>>The irony being that disasters like the japanese tsunami afflict cities on land all the time but we don't see it as a reason to abandon efforts to live on land.
because we have other choices?

It won't be a contained system, fine, then support structures could be damaged causing everyone to suffocate.

[Anonymous No.3588025]

The next big frontier is space, faggot.

Ocean colonization and mining is nothing more than a small insignificant side project that is finite in it's benefits to society, science, and money hungry corporations.

Pic related

[Anonymous No.3588033]

>>3588025
see
>>3588025
pic related.

[Anonymous No.3588034]

>>3588001
>Implying the containment methods for nuclear reactors are invincible to all natural and human caused disasters

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3588039]

>>3587994

>Are you implying a nuclear reactor underwater?

Yes, they're being built by the french energy company Flexblue.

>Good luck. If that thing gets fucked all sea life within a thousand or more miles will be dead and there will be a contaminated water supply.

No, not at all. That's why the Fukushima plant was flooded with seawater. Water is an excellent radiation shield, provided you put the reactor well away from any far reaching currents the spread would be minimal and the radiatioactive material would settle on the bottom. Radiation from it wouldn't reach past a few feet let alone to the surface. Also, Fukushima got as bad as it did because the containment vessels exploded. That wouldn't happen here as there's a pressure vessel inside of a pressure vessel. The entire structure is a pressure vessel.

This is incidentally also why spent nuclear fuel is stored in big pools of water. Pic related.

So basically either way it gets into the water in the event of a disaster. At least this way meltdowns are drastically less likely because it's immersed in coolant and shielding, and immune from tsunamis/earthquakes/storms. It's pretty much the ideal way to do nuclear power.

[Anonymous No.3588045]

>>3588034
>implying any underwater disaster could get through it

Bitch, don't even. Reactor safety these days is so safe you'd be safer living inside plant perimeters than you would living in cornwall.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3588055]

>>3588034

>Implying the containment methods for nuclear reactors are invincible to all natural and human caused disasters

That's just what I'm trying to tell you. Under 300 feet of water, these reactors ARE immune to all natural disasters. Hurricanes, tsunamis, earthquakes, you name it. And you'll notice they have protective nets to prevent depth charges from being used against them, it's beyond the limits of consumer scuba equipment and you cannot get inside without the specific proprietary submersibles used by the company since they use their own docking port standard. It's vastly more secure than any reactor on land.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3588086]

>>3588025

>The next big frontier is space, faggot.

Then go homestead on the moon or mars. Wait that's right, you can't. The technology necessary is still too expensive and methods to make colonization of space available to ordinary people are centuries away.

Meanwhile ordinary people can and do build underwater dwellings on modest incomes for their own enjoyment (pic related) and organizations exist to building permanent settlements on the sea floor.

Space is definitely the final frontier. But the ocean is the NEXT frontier. We will return to the sea before we truly expand into space, as a species. It offers a more immediate return on investment and the technology developed in pursuit of those profits directly benefits the eventual goal of colonizing other worlds. It's like a habitat/life support development program that pays for itself.

[Blackman No.3588107]

>mfw mad scientist's submarines are decorated with dream catchers, tribal headgear, and hamsters wrapped in blankets infected with small pox

[Anonymous No.3588115]

>>3588107
I ask you: is there any other way?

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3588138]

>>3588107

(._. )

[Anonymous No.3588145]

>>3588086
You're back!!!
ALL PRAISE THE KING OF /sci/!!!

[Anonymous No.3588149]

>>3588145
Wow. Suck his cock for him, why don't ya?

[Anonymous No.3588156]

>>3588149
I would if I could fucker! The best thing that ever happened to /sci/.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3588158]

>>3588145

This keeps happening. Someone who missed a bunch of my threads happens to see one and thinks I've been gone for a long time and suddenly came back.

I was never gone, seabro. :3

[Blackman No.3588163]

>>3588145
More like chief of /sci/, amirite?

[Anonymous No.3588164]

>>3588149
FUCK YOU WE WOULD IF WE COULD

For serious, Mad Scientist probably *is* the best thing that's happened to us. Including all Col. Mug's cool stories.

[Anonymous No.3588167]

SPACE IS BETTER THAN THE OCEAN
SPACE IS BETTER THAN THE OCEAN
SPACE IS BETTER THAN THE OCEAN
SPACE IS BETTER THAN THE OCEAN
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SPACE IS BETTER THAN THE OCEAN
SPACE IS BETTER THAN THE OCEAN

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3588170]

>>3588149

>Wow. Suck his cock for him, why don't ya?

I apologise if it makes me seem full of myself when other people act that way. I don't ask for it and have no control over it. I'm just here to discuss interesting DIY projects and the history/present/future of hazardous environment habitat technology.

[Anonymous No.3588173]

>>3588167
In space nobody can hear you say "no homo".
Think about that.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3588176]

>>3588167

>SPACE IS BETTER THAN THE OCEAN

If you say so.

[Anonymous No.3588178]

>>3588149 here

>>3588164
>>3588156
I get it. You're gay. Congrats.

>>3588170
You have my respect. My post wasn't directed at you. You don't give tripfags a bad name like most.

[Anonymous No.3588179]

>>3588158
Yeah, I was, for two weeks... I'm an idiot sometimes, sorry.

[Anonymous No.3588184]

>>3588167
how can you say that if no one knows what's at the bottom of the ocean?
there's 97% of the ocean that we have no clue about.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3588186]

>>3588178

No biggie. I just don't want any enemies. I'd like to be on good terms with everyone if possible, but it sometimes seems like you just can't please everyone and some people will hate you simply because other people like you. Politics, right? Magical mysteries all up in this bitch.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3588196]

>>3588179

>Yeah, I was, for two weeks... I'm an idiot sometimes, sorry.

On the contrary, you managed to avoid 4chan for two weeks. That's the smartest thing any of us have done recently.

Workin' on any cool projects lately?

[Anonymous No.3588199]

>>3588178
I ain't even gay.
But let's not change the subject though, I think sea has a lot of opportunities for now!

[Anonymous No.3588208]

So are these going to be built by the absolute lowest bidder with oil companies also trying to minimize the amount of safety standards they must conform to or what?

[Anonymous No.3588213]

>>3588167
I take it you're the same little mouthbreather troll that starts threads about being bald etc.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3588214]

>>3588199

>I think sea has a lot of opportunities for now!

It's also a profoundly desirable place to live on its own merits. Granted not everywhere in the sea looks like this, but not everywhere on land looks like Hawaii.

[Anonymous No.3588217]

I hope they make the titanic an underwater museum before there nothing left.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3588220]

>>3588208

>So are these going to be built by the absolute lowest bidder with oil companies also trying to minimize the amount of safety standards they must conform to or what?

Human beings won't work there so I don't much care. If anything that will increase the business case for building ambient pressure towns nearby so that they can have a population of maintinence workers onsite all the time (although they'd cycle in and out 6 months out of the year)

[Anonymous No.3588225]

>>3588214
Are you not concerned that underwater mining will destroy such beautiful areas of the ocean?

[Anonymous No.3588227]

>>3588196
Well, I'm the guy working on the evolution simulator. I also have in mind to build a robot that can plant seeds and water them...

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3588240]

>>3588225

>Are you not concerned that underwater mining will destroy such beautiful areas of the ocean?

No, because the precious metals that mining companies are after are all on the abyssal plain, which is a barren, ugly expanse. basically a massive underwater desert. The pretty stuff is all on the continental shelf, in much shallower water. That's where people will live, not in the perpetually dark benthic zone.

[Anonymous No.3588242]

>>3588214
I read about an underwater hotel somewhere...

[Anonymous No.3588254]

>>3588242
that's in dubai
expensive as fffuuu though

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3588255]

>>3588242

>I read about an underwater hotel somewhere...

The Jules Undersea Lodge. It's 30 feet deep in a cove very near the Florida National Marine Sanctuary. Two bedrooms and a foyer, not the largest hotel ever, but then it used to be a research lab in the 70s. It's been a 'hotel' since 1986.

[Anonymous No.3588256]

>>3588240
Are you of the opinion then if anything does go wrong, it won't nearly be as bad as the BP spill? Obviously mining for minerals has some clear differences from drilling into the ocean floor for oil. Question is do you have any safety concerns (for the people, for the environment) if for-profit corporations are in charge of running the show?

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3588263]

>>3588254

>that's in dubai

Fiji actually, and it hasn't been built. The modules for it are sitting in a shipyard near where I live while they settle a lawsuit over the plot of shallow water 'land' they plan to build on.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3588296]

>>3588256

I have my concerns but ultimately think that the needs of our species are more important than the environment. We can live in the ocean in a way that preserves it, and coincidentally we will (the technologies used are all very clean, i.e. the internal combustion engine won't work underwater so subs are battery electric, all submerged structures become artificial reefs and so on) but the bottom line is we need new frontiers. We're stagnating for lack of them. Our present economic model requires new frontiers to sustain constant growth without which we face a collapse that endangers any hopes of establishing colonies offworld. We're close as it is but in order to keep the money flowing long enough to get it done, in the near term we need to industrialize and settle the ocean, which is what's happening.

[Anonymous No.3588297]

>>3588263
Where do you live?

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3588308]

>>3588297

Portland Oregon is where US Submarines is fabricating the modules for the Poseidon Undersea Resort. I live nearby.

[Anonymous No.3588374]

>>3587739

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3588524]

>>3588374

Oh cool, pop culture reference. :I

[Anonymous No.3588702]

Isn't there already an underwater hotel?

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3588709]

>>3588702

Yes, see: >>3588255

[Anonymous No.3588723]

>>3588709
Missed that.

Thanks.

[Anonymous No.3588758]

YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME

We started in on this "dig it up and burn it!!!!" path of wanton destruction centuries ago. We know that there are HORRIBLE consequences for our actions. We know that human-caused climate change is real. We know that we have a limited amount of resources on the Earth. We know that the oil game is going to be over within the next hundred years.

WHY ARE WE LOOKING FOR MORE OIL????

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

Who else in this thread feels like humans are doomed to kill ourselves with our own stupidity?

[Anonymous No.3588783]

>>3588758
I hate bastards like you, who spout how 'humanity is stupid and heartless and evil'.

You want us to stop digging up oil full stop? Ok, let's just do that. Doesn't matter if society collapses and war breaks about because we can't power shit anymore, does it? No, because we stopped getting oil and we're not evil anymore! Yay!

Seriously, grow the fuck up. You can question civilization's dependency on oil all you want, just don't be a stupid cunt about it.

[Anonymous No.3588792]

>>3588758
>WHY ARE WE LOOKING FOR MORE OIL????
Because society as you know it stops when there is no oil.

[Anonymous No.3588793]

>>3588758
Troll detected, move on gentleme-

>>3588783
We've got a biter, folks!

[Anonymous No.3588813]

>>3588793
Spoiler: They're the same person.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3588814]

>>3588758

That oil benefits nobody while it's in the ground. I agree it's foolish to burn it in cars but only because it's more efficiently used for plastics and for vital freight applications and air travel. Even when we have electric vehicles for commuting and electric trains for long distance travel we'll still need hydrocarbon fuels for shipping and air travel. It isn't evil, the geopolitical strife associated from oil happens only because we use too much of it, are too reliant on it and therefore will undertake desperate military action to secure more.

This doesn't make oil evil, it means we need to give more careful consideration to what it's used for.

[Anonymous No.3588815]

>>3588758
>WHY ARE WE LOOKING FOR MORE OIL????
>oil game is going to be over within the next hundred years
You answered your own question there, sherlock.

[Anonymous No.3588817]

>>3588793
Yeah, my troll detector didn't go off.

Sorry about
>>3588758

[Anonymous No.3588829]

Would it make sense to use some kind of vehicle under the water, or just go up and use boats for anything you can't swim to?

Depending on where we are, how likely would intelligent marine life (whales, dolphins, octopuses) get close enough to the habitat for us to interact with them? If so, I'm not sure what the implications of this would be.

[Anonymous No.3588864]

>>3588829
Some dolphin/whale steak and some fried octopus.

Man's gotta eat.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3588889]

>>3588829

>Would it make sense to use some kind of vehicle under the water, or just go up and use boats for anything you can't swim to?

It depends. A submersible is battery electric, and batteries are expensive. You wouldn't use it for commuting to shore, it would be very slow, and wear out the $10,000 worth of batteries more quickly. Instead, you'd use the sub like a sort of elevator, strictly for going between the colony and the surface. On the surface it would rendezvous with a chartered boat that would make daily runs between the colony site and shore. Pic related, the plan for the permanent colony is to use secondhand tourist submersibles refit with docking ports for transport to and from the surface.

However if it's an ambient pressure habitat you'd use something more like a diving bell to get down to it since there's no need to dock with the station and maintain a dry 1atm environment.

[Sanev.Khan !SanevKhanY No.3588892]

>>3588864
Mostly. But we'll ask dolphins to help us against the Chinese giant squids.
Obviously, they'll gladly help us.

[Anonymous No.3588899]

>"Petrobras plans to turn science fiction into reality to extract oil
>Petrobras
wait, so my country is doing something cool and there's no mention of it at all in TV?

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3588902]

>>3588864

>Some dolphin/whale steak and some fried octopus.

Nobody's eating either of those on my watch. Those are like the two broest creatures in the entire ocean.

[Anonymous No.3588910]

2038; surface is a shithole, /sci/ lives in this city researching horrible abominations of the deep

[Anonymous No.3588914]

>>3588902
>dolphins
>bro

nonononono

don't dolphins kill other animals just for fun? I remember reading that somewhere.

[Anonymous No.3588922]

>>3588914
Dolphins are fucking assholes on a fairly regular basis.

They're almost human. I mean, bottlenose dolphins are even racists against other dolphin species.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3588925]

>>3588914

>don't dolphins kill other animals just for fun? I remember reading that somewhere.

Manatees, yeah. But then, manatees look like lumpy retarded dolphins. Hunting them for entertainment makes perfect sense.

I mean really, look at this fat dumb piece of shit. Do you care if it dies?

[Anonymous No.3588941]

>>3588922

>Dolphins are fucking assholes on a fairly regular basis.

They're usually extremely respectful to humans though. It's as if they see our technology and recognize we're advanced in ways they are not, and feel some kind of respect/reverence towards us as a result.

It's plausible that dolphins have mythologized us as gods.

[Anonymous No.3588949]

>>3588941

[Anonymous No.3588952]

>>3588925
Manatees are FUCKING STUPID. What's the most common injury inflicted to manatees? Propeller scars. Bwahahaha....

[Anonymous No.3588954]

>>3588941
also in b4 my less than intelligent Muslim brothers try to convert Dolphins to Islam.\

[Anonymous No.3588956]

>>3588925
>kill manatees

no, man, just no.

[Anonymous No.3588960]

>>3588941
I say we befriend the dolphins and terrorize manatees.

Not to extinction, oh no. That's too good for them. I say we breed them in a safe, lovely environment until the age of 3 and then torture them with dolphins.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3588962]

>>3588954

>also in b4 my less than intelligent Muslim brothers try to convert Dolphins to Islam.\

Oh man. I'm playing a lot of Submarine Titans right now. It's a Starcraft style RTS set in an underwater future. One of the units you can build with a sufficiently developed tech tree is basically a dolphin with a suicide bomb vest. You build hundreds of them and then send them to swarm the enemy base.

It's an extremely effective tactic but I can never bring myself to use it. ;_;

[Anonymous No.3588967]

>>3588962
Muslim-anon here.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Actual dolphin No.3588974]

>>3588960

>I say we befriend the dolphins and terrorize manatees.

I like you. Maximum brofin.

[Anonymous No.3588977]

>>3588925
>The name manatí comes from the Taíno, a pre-Columbian people of the Caribbean, meaning "breast".

Oh god, even the guys who came up with it's name, the guys who respect it the most, call it a fucking TIT.

[Anonymous No.3588981]

>>3588977

Nobody ever respected manatees. They are the fat bitch-tittied manchildren of the sea. They even have recognizable neckbeards.

[Anonymous No.3588984]

>>3588974
Manatees are capable of understanding discrimination tasks, and show signs of complex associated learning and advanced long term memory. They demonstrate complex discrimination and task-learning similar to dolphins and pinnipeds in acoustic and visual studies.

[Anonymous No.3588985]

>>3588956
I laughed so hard. Hitting the glass that hard looks uncomfortable. The net effect is the manatee looking really, really dumb.

[Anonymous No.3588986]

>>3588974
I'll tie them up, you stuff them into deep-sea vents and then we'll wait and laugh together as the pressure builds up and they're shot out of them like giant flubbery cannonballs.

[Anonymous No.3588988]

FUK YOO, DORFIN!

[Anonymous No.3588989]

>>3588984
I'm willing to change my view. Any source to get me started?

[Anonymous No.3588997]

>>3588989
Gerstein, E.R. (1994). "The manatee mind: Discrimination training for sensory perception testing of West Indian manatees (Trichechus manatus)". Mar. Mammals 1: 10–21.

and

Marine Mammal Medicine, 2001, Leslie Dierauf & Frances Gulland, CRC Press

[Anonymous No.3589007]

>>3588984
Yeah, the manatee's intelligent, but it can't use it for shit. It's superior dolphin cousin uses it for socialisation and effective hunting and survival, whereas the manatee can only use it to truly comprehend what a disgusting waste of space it is. Fucking manatees.

[Anonymous No.3589009]

>>3588986

>Livin' in the undersea world
>Bro around all day with dolphins
>Play cruel jokes on manatees

This is sounding fucking excellent

[Anonymous No.3589012]

>>3589007
I am now imagining manatees as being incredibly depressed and submissive. Like Strong Sad or something.

[Anonymous No.3589016]

I'm back and I still think it's stupid to dig for more oil.
Resources should be dedicated to ending the oil addiction and creating alternative technologies.

SCENARIO ONE: we continue to put all our energy into finding oil. Eventually it costs a barrel of oil to get a barrel of oil. After that, our oil is useless, we have no fallback, and we are all fucked royally.

SCENARIO TWO
We divert energy from searching for oil to creating an oil-less energy infrastructure, and then when we run out of oil we are only a little fucked, if at all.

I ask again WHY ARE WE LOOKING FOR MORE OIL?

[Anonymous No.3589017]

>>3588984

>Manatees are capable of understanding discrimination tasks, and show signs of complex associated learning and advanced long term memory. They demonstrate complex discrimination and task-learning similar to dolphins and pinnipeds in acoustic and visual studies.

Cool, they'll be able to fully appreciate the asskicking I will deliver unto them.

[Anonymous No.3589021]

>>3589016
False dichotomy, bro.

You can fund alternative energy research with the funds freed up by having cheap oil. Just need to make it a priority. Leaving the oil there would be wasteful. The optimum is using the oil, and doing the necessary research.

If you think we can't actually DO the optimum, then maybe yeah, we should just leave it alone. But I don't think so.

[Anonymous No.3589024]

>>3588941
Dolphins see our technology from underwater. Yep. Sounds legit.

[Anonymous No.3589026]

>>3589012
Too bad they're too fucking worthless to do anything about it.

Manatee hate is fun!

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3589033]

>>3589016

>We divert energy from searching for oil to creating an oil-less energy infrastructure, and then when we run out of oil we are only a little fucked, if at all.

We need oil to build that oil-less energy infrastructure. Solar panels don't build themselves. The minerals used in them don't mine themselves. We need to build the oil free world using the oil we have left. It won't just materialize.

>I ask again WHY ARE WE LOOKING FOR MORE OIL?

See above. Besides, hydrocarbon fuels are tremendously energy dense and convenient to use. We shouldn't be totally reliant on them, but that doesn't mean we should swear them off completely. This is coming from someone with two electric vehicles and a bunch of solar panels.

[Anonymous No.3589030]

>>3589016

>We divert energy from searching for oil to creating an oil-less energy infrastructure, and then when we run out of oil we are only a little fucked, if at all.

We need oil to build that oil-less energy infrastructure. Solar panels don't build themselves. The minerals used in them don't mine themselves. We need to build the oil free world using the oil we have left. It won't just materialize.

>I ask again WHY ARE WE LOOKING FOR MORE OIL?

See above. Besides, hydrocarbon fuels are tremendously energy dense and convenient to use. We shouldn't be totally reliant on them, but that doesn't mean we should swear them off completely.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3589152]

>>3589024

>Dolphins see our technology from underwater. Yep. Sounds legit.

Hm, yeah, when would they have an opportunity to see humans using technology except every time they see humans underwater, because we need technology to survive underwater....?

[Anonymous No.3589225]

>>3589152

I don't think the dolphin understands that's technology or has any concept of what technology is. He's probably thinking like "Why u has thing on ur head? Can u breathe? Do u needs halp?"

[Anonymous No.3589238]

>>3589225
lol

[Anonymous No.3589259]

>>3589152

Not the same guy, but that seems like the kind of thing you'd need experience developing technology to appreciate. They probably find us pretty impressive, though.

If I was interested in something like AI or robotics, would living underwater be too much of a hindrance for his?

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3589309]

>>3589259

>Not the same guy, but that seems like the kind of thing you'd need experience developing technology to appreciate. They probably find us pretty impressive, though.

Moreso than they would if they had witnessed the development of technology up to this point, but scuba only became available in the 1960s. Up until that point when they saw humans underwater they were drowning. All of a sudden they started seeing us all the time in tropical waters, breathing just fine and staying under for longer than they could. A huge leap all at once from their perspective and capabilities that would seem like magic given their comparatively primitive condition.

I remember reading a scifi story from the perspective of a dolphin in a language research lab who told a scientist who asked him what he thought of humans "You're clumsy and slow in water. But a lot less clumsy than I am on land."

>If I was interested in something like AI or robotics, would living underwater be too much of a hindrance for his?

Since your work would be primarily done on computers it seems like you could easily telecommute.

[Anonymous No.3589329]

oh, great. now their internet connections are going to be even worse

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3589341]

>>3589329

>oh, great. now their internet connections are going to be even worse

You'd think, but no: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfIwTTbCkp8

[Anonymous No.3589361]

>>3588984
impressive ctrl v skills

[Anonymous No.3589850]

>>3589361