Post-2045: "Waking up" the Universe

[Anonymous No.3579577]

The physical bottom limit to how small computer transistors (or other equivalent, albeit more effective components, such as memristors integrated into Crossbar latches) can be shrunk is reached. From this moment onwards, computers can only be made more powerful if they are made larger in size.
Because of this, A.I.s convert more and more of the Earth's matter into engineered, computational substrate capable of supporting more A.I.s. until the whole Earth is one, gigantic computer, except for a few nature reserves set aside on the planetary surface for those humans who decided to remain in their natural state.
At this point, the only possible way to increase the intelligence of the machines any farther is to begin converting all of the matter and energy in the universe into similar massive computers. A.I.s radiate outward from Earth, first into the Solar System and then out into interstellar space, then galaxies in all directions, utilizing starships that are Von Neumann probes with nanobot crews, breaking down whole planets, stars, moons, and meteoroids and reassembling them into computers. This, in effect, "wakes up" the universe as all the inanimate "dumb" matter (rocks, dust, gases, etc.) is converted into structured matter capable of supporting life (albeit synthetic life).
Kurzweil predicts that machines might have the ability to make planet-sized computers by 2099, which underscores how enormously technology will advance after the Singularity.

[Anonymous No.3579583]

I have a Kurzweil synth

>The physical bottom limit of how small computer transistors can be shrunk is reached

Cesium is capable of 1ghz as a quantum computing source.

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[Anonymous No.3579584]

>the ability to make planet-sized computers by 2099

This nigger's crazy

[Anonymous No.3579590]

enjoy still dieing since the heat death of the universe is unavoidable, net energy of the universe is 0. You stupid post-humanist (i'm scared of dieing I want to be a robot) faggots can suck my dick

[Anonymous No.3579591]

>>3579577
>From this moment onwards, computers can only be made more powerful if they are made larger in size.

The human brain is capable of running an AI simulation requiring only a volume of about 10 litres and a 25W power source. Using current computational paradigms to simulate brains is fucking retarded when the universe has already proven that you can do MUCH better.

[tinycat !!qoWPGZQ4oQc No.3579600]

>>3579590
>implying we wont have plenty of time to solve that problem

[Anonymous No.3579620]

>>3579590
Us posthumanists will end up testing the level 4 multiverse's existence and if we succeed, you may say that we'll have enough computational resources to run forever.
Not that living in our own home universe is that bad, you could stretch living out for a long long time before heat death gets to you.
You should also understand that posthumanists are not afraid of death, at least I'm not, but I want a lot of things from life, things which achieving substrate independence will be able to grant, things which you as a human can only dream of (or maybe you don't, since you don't even understand all that will become possible once you change substrate). Did I mention that with proper hardware implementation you could run some 4+ orders of magnitude faster than as a human. With proper managing of resources, you could last for a very very long time. But lasting isn't even what this is about - it's about enhancement, it's about truly finding out what it is like to have new areas added to your (imagine adding a new cortical hierarchy for some new sensory means), the ability of no longer being tied to any specific body, the ability to overcome all kinds of biological limitations, both physical and biological. It truly is the superior form of existence for a mind. Why would you want to stay in your current form is beyond me. I suppose you must be one of those which care about their suffering and actual risk (that now just goes poof since you can back yourself up and make copies of yourself as you want, and lead as many futures as you want).

[Anonymous No.3579623]

>>3579620
* both physiological and psychological

[Anonymous No.3579630]

>From this moment onwards, computers can only be made more powerful if they are made larger in size.

Computers are also limited by the time it takes to send information around. You'll hit a limit and that will be it.

[Anonymous No.3579645]

>>3579620
probably coz I like getting laid. Enjoy your robot sex, oh wait...

[Anonymous No.3579651]

>Kurzweil predicts that machines might have the ability to make planet-sized computers by 2099, which underscores how enormously technology will advance after the Singularity.
It mainly underscores how bonkers insane Kurzweil is.

[Anonymous No.3579653]

>Kurzweil predicts that machines might have the ability to make planet-sized computers by 2099

When you read that, you need to take a step back and pull your head out of your ass. This is total nonsense. This guy has no credibility at all, and you are stupid for believing this crap. Singularity advocates are becoming as bad as rabid atheists and christfags. DO NOT QUESTION THE INEVITABILITY OF THE SINGULARITY! It's almost as if you have no concept of what the world is actually like.

[Anonymous No.3579662]

1. The singularity is broadly defined as when machines become smarter than humans and self replicate and improve.
2. The singularity is therefore an extinction level event for humankind, and every other biological organism
3. Therefore it follows that those who are advocates for the singularity are anti-life misanthropes working against their own species, the ultimate treason.
4. Therefore the only correct course of action is to round them all up and burn them alive. Not only is this entirely justified, it is the only way.
Burn
Them
All

[Anonymous No.3579680]

>>3579645
> Enjoy your robot sex,
More like enjoy amazing VR orgies with any kind of body you like and being able to enact all kinds of fetishes which are impossible in human bodies.

Of course, wether you want to continue to care for sex or not depends (there is no more reproductive requirement, but you may still continue the tradition in some form), you'll be able to tweak your motivational system in ways that are not possible now for humans.

Either way, those that want an active sexual life will be able to get one, except no more risk of STDs.

>>3579662
You would just be an acorporeal mind upload after the singularity, most of your human problems will be solved, maybe what you are upset about is the extinction of our current ways of organizing society - they will disappear, when everyone has the right to their own independence and cannot be coerced or imprisoned or killed, you will just have to cooperate with people without being able to force them into anything, thus nation-states would stop existing.

[Anonymous No.3579688]

>>3579651

He's as sane as can be. He knows that a certain kind of dork will eat this shit up, so he's assured of a comfortable living on the lecture circuit in return for cranking out this crap.

[Anonymous No.3579692]

>>3579680
Why on earth would the machines bother to upload, or even bother with humans at all?

[Anonymous No.3579711]

>>3579692
Nobody says that we will achieve hard take-off by AGI. Singularity is just a vague term that I'd rather not use myself, but it's about technological progress accelerating greatly and changing our society and nature at the same time.
If you design AGIs, you should design their motivational systems to be friendly so that they also act in your own interest. Some think this is slavery, but it's a very likely possibility.
"Mind uploading" (or substrate independence) is being worked independently. Even without AGI, we'll reach SIM eventually, current technology is already capable of it theoretically, but the science and technology is in its infancy that it's hardly practical (enjoy waiting years to scan a brain, and then you need to properly analyze all the data and convert it into an abstract model, then you need hardware powerful enough to run such huge neural networks as the human brain), but it will mature in time (it does not require any major breakthroughs, merely advancing the related fields forward will eventually yield SIM(Substrate Independent Minds)). It might take 20, 30 or 50 years, but it will get there, even without AGI.

[Anonymous No.3579719]

>>3579680
>You would just be an acorporeal mind upload after the singularity,
Computer: Upload yourselves! I will solve all your problems!
Humans upload. Computer deletes.
>maybe what you are upset about is the extinction of our current ways of organizing society - they will disappear
As will everything about human society that makes it enjoyable. But the people who champion this singularity nonsense don't care about that, because they never fit into wider society anyway, and like all wierdos everywhere believe themselves superior and more intellectual than everyone else.
>when everyone has the right to their own independence and cannot be coerced or imprisoned or killed, you will just have to cooperate with people without being able to force them into anything
So nothing at all would ever get done?
>thus nation-states would stop existing
Because even if people were uploaded, they'd suddenly lose 200,000 years of tribal programming and adaptation?
The only way this would happen is if when you uploaded yourself you lost all your personality. That's a form of death as far as I'm concerned.
This entire thing is fucking bullshit, and you should feel bad for going along with it. Biker mice from mars presents a more realistic and likely future than the one kurzweil predicts.

[Anonymous No.3579720]

>>3579653
His saving grace is that he says will have the ability, not that they will have made one. Which isn't unreasonable really it would just require a fucking massive amount of resources.

[Anonymous No.3579746]

>>3579719
> Humans upload. Computer deletes.
You watched too many bad movies. What makes you think you cannot controllably scan a mind, abstract, test it, etc. Humans are still taking care of humans.
> As will everything about human society that makes it enjoyable.
Maybe to you, but to many of us, an immense number of new possibilities will open up. Your definition of enjoyable is too limited. Try thinking about what you find enjoyable, and you'll see how it can be preserved just fine. I somehow don't include the bureaucracy of current society as an enjoyable thing. Would you be able to enjoy interacting with your friends? Yes, and in many new ways. Will you be able to create new things? Yes. Will you be able to consume or create entertainment? Yes. What about all the corporeal pleasures? Sure, why not, just use a suitable VR environment with appropriate model-of-a-body.
> But the people who champion this singularity nonsense don't care about that, because they never fit into wider society anyway, and like all wierdos everywhere believe themselves superior and more intellectual than everyone else.
Because they see what it will be replaced with, and we think that you will be able to retain most things that you will want, but some unneeded things will disappear. What you might not have would be the absence of certain things, for example the risks of common life might be now much less common, but you would still get psychologically hurt by interpersonal relations if you put yourself in such positions. I'd say the disappearance of non-suicide-related deaths would be a fine thing for society.

[Anonymous No.3579748]

Peak oil says no.

[Anonymous No.3579750]

>>3579746
> So nothing at all would ever get done?
You would negotiate things with people as you wish. At the same time, you will have more subjective time than you could wish for, if you want something done, you can get it done by yourself. If you really need it fast, just make a few copies of yourself. In practice, I imagine collaborations between humans would exist just fine, like people self-organize on the Internet all the time. There would just be no more unfair coercing by large organizations such as countries.
> they'd suddenly lose 200,000 years of tribal programming and adaptation?
No, you would just have more freedom about organization, now that nobody can force you to do stuff, nor is any such forcing desirable. You would act in your own interest and others will act in their own interests, when interests align, you would cooperate. It would be a libertarian/anarch wet dream, one that is impossible to realize in physical society because of its physical nature. I suppose you will also be upset in similar ways that you're upset you can't shoot trolls over TCP/IP.

Just relax and enjoy, why exactly is this type of society not desirable? Everyone will be able to pursue their dreams freely without having any real constraints. If you think we will lose anything except absence of options (such as some conservatives complaining about not being able to be free of porn in the internet), please let me know what that will be.

[Anonymous No.3579752]

>>3579591
>10 litres
>brain

WHAT

[Anonymous No.3579804]

Wait you guys seriously think you can upload your mind? You are retarded as shit. You can make a copy of your mind sure, and in some sense that entity is a continuation of you, but in another, much more accurate way, you are still inside your brain. If your brain dies, you die.

Imagine if you made an exact copy of yourself. Then one of you is killed. Do you really think that 'you' live on? Well one of the copies of you does, the other one dies. In the case of mind uploading, the copy of you lives on, but you, as in the entity that you currently are, dies.

[Anonymous No.3579811]

>>3579804
> 2011
> believing in continuity of consciousness
http://www.brainpreservation.org/documents/killed_by_bad_philosophy.pdf

[Anonymous No.3579836]

>>3579811
Ok, so we upload you. Then we go crtl-c on 'Anon's concsiousness.exe' or whatever. Then we go crtl-v so now we have 'Anon's concsiousness(1).exe'. Now we delete 'Anon's concsiousness.exe' so that all that remains is the copy. You gunna tell me that nobodies consciousness has permanently died?

[Ontological !ShockZDWpY No.3579845]

>>3579836
What happens to your conscious mind when you lose consciousness?

[Anonymous No.3579880]

>>3579719
>Computer: Upload yourselves! I will solve all your problems!
>Humans upload. Computer deletes.
MY GOD YOU'RE FUCKING STUPID!

[Anonymous No.3579942]

>>3579836
There is no 'alive' or 'death', there are just observer moments (death is the absence of them). Count them well. Look at the internal narrative to see how one perceives his continuity.
There are also 2 ways of looking at this:
1) identical conscious experience counts as one (same observer moment), regardless of how it was run/emulated/where it was present (as long as it's the exact same representation internally)
2) identical conscious experience counts separately
I take the view of 1. (This should also explain to you how I consider MWI "conscious experience" splits and mergers).

I'm not going to tell you an answer to what you asked as it wasn't described well enough to understand exactly what went in there. If I understood it right you just moved some data. If you want truly mindblowing idea about splitting and moving data, I suggest you read "Permutation City", they play around with the concept enough. If you want to understand a more solid way of treating 1, read some of Bruno Marchal's MGA 1-3 rantings.

[Ontological !ShockZDWpY No.3579948]

>>3579845
Allow me to explain with examples. If a copy of you were made while you were unconscious and then revived later, that copy would remember your life up to the point it was copied and think that your consciousness had been transferred somehow across the copying mechanism. If your own mind was copied and put into a new body without your knowledge while you slept, when your copy awakes it wouldn't be aware that it had been copied.

This is why I ask you what happens to your consciousness every time you go to sleep, because it could be that we all die every night and a new person awakes the next morning only to die again that night.