Here is a question which no one can answer yet. Maybe /sci/ can. Monsanto sells seeds to people, and at the end of the harvest the farmers cannot save the seeds, they must buy more from Monsanto. So, here is the No.1 question of our time. Where does Monsanto get the seeds that they sell?

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Anonymous Tue Aug 16 16:53:10 2011 No.3576098 [Reply] [Original]

Here is a question which no one can answer yet. Maybe /sci/ can. Monsanto sells seeds to people, and at the end of the harvest the farmers cannot save the seeds, they must buy more from Monsanto.

So, here is the No.1 question of our time.

Where does Monsanto get the seeds that they sell?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 16:56:10 2011 No.3576139 Come on /sci/ no one can answer this question. Where does monsanto get their seeds which they sell?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 16:57:10 2011 No.3576143 >>3576139 they get them from themselves a year in the past.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 16:57:10 2011 No.3576145 >>3576098 when a mommy corn and a daddy corn loves each other very much...

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 16:58:10 2011 No.3576149 They make them dumbass.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 16:59:10 2011 No.3576153 >>3576145 No, don't sage. Are you actually saying that Monsanto grows their own seed? Which would imply that they ALSO grow the plant which produces the seed?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 16:59:10 2011 No.3576160 ancient aliens you idiot

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 17:00:10 2011 No.3576163 >>3576149 I'm no dumbass. How do they MAKE THEM anon? Are you saying that Monsanto grows tomatoes, massive, vast crops of tomatoes only to harvest the seeds which they will then sell to farmers who will grow them for market? Is this your model?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 17:01:10 2011 No.3576170 He buys them from his distributor. And if you try and pull the "where does the distributor get his seeds from" They grow the plants to get seeds, similar to what White Castle did when they were first starting out.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 17:02:10 2011 No.3576176 >>3576170 Monsanto does not buy seeds from distributors. Those seeds are genetically altered patented life. Where do they come from?

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 17:03:10 2011 No.3576181

>>3576163
New anon ITT.

I'd be interested too, but it's probably the same way any seed supplier gets seeds - raising plants with the sole purpose of harvesting the seeds.

It's not that you CAN'T get and reuse seeds from Monsanto crops - it just violates their patent, and they will sue you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 17:03:10 2011 No.3576182 >>3576153 Of course. The only thing stopping you from using those seeds is the massive legal departement Monstanto will sick on you if they find out you used those to grow crops.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 17:03:10 2011 No.3576183 >>3576176 And where in the thread was this implied?

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 17:04:10 2011 No.3576188

Monsanto is the worst piece of shit company.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto#Legal_issues

>Since the mid-1990s, it has sued 145 individual US farmers for patent infringement in connection with its genetically engineered seed

If it's seeds get blown into farmers land, those farmers get sued rofl.

>a local FOX affiliate cooperated with Monsanto in suppressing an investigative report on the health risks associated with Monsanto's bovine growth hormone product, Posilac

>Between 1965 and 1972, Monsanto paid contractors to illegally dump thousands of tons of highly toxic waste in UK landfill sites, knowing that their chemicals were liable to contaminate wildlife and people.

these guys are stupid as fuck

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 17:05:10 2011 No.3576197

>>3576181
However, Monsanto is working on breaking that cycle entirely, so they can turn a seed-producing crop into seeds that won't produce another generation of seeds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto#Terminator_seed_controversy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_use_restriction_technology

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 17:05:10 2011 No.3576200

>>3576181
>>3576181
>raising plants with the sole purpose of harvesting the seeds.
>raising plants with the sole purpose of harvesting the seeds.

YES! YES! This! Can you not see why we should all freak the fuck out? Monsanto likely grows FOOD and then destroys it in order to SELL seeds to farmers to grow FOOD!

They are destroying crops to make seeds to sell so that someone can grow crops!

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 17:05:10 2011 No.3576201

Hey a rapid google search gave me this:

>Most of Monsanto’s patented seeds contain a “suicide gene.” This means that you cannot save seed from a crop and use it again the next year. >Farmers have been practicing reusing seeds since the beginning of farming. This genetic feature has given Monsanto the upper hand and caused farmers to become dependent upon purchasing additional Monsanto seeds, as well as their patented Round Up pesticides and herbicides.

>Those who try to grow organic or unmodified seed have had their crops overtaken by Monsanto crops. When pollination takes place, the dominant DNA of Monsanto crops shares its traits with the organic crops, including the suicide gene, and essentially transforms traditional crops into Monsanto crops. In many cases, farmers have reported being harassed and threatened by Monsanto for allegedly reseeding or using Monsanto seeds without a contract.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 17:07:10 2011 No.3576217 Monsanto likely grows FOOD and then destroys it in order to SELL seeds to farmers to grow FOOD!

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 17:09:10 2011 No.3576233 >>3576217 SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!!

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 17:10:10 2011 No.3576248 >>3576233 Can you think of another explanation? What happens to the crops monsanto makes?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 17:11:10 2011 No.3576253 >>3576248 They feed our secret space fleet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 17:11:10 2011 No.3576255 >>3576098 Anony. Have you ever looked at corncob. >yes. do you notice how many..corn..seeds are on a cob >...yes? Do you realize each one of those seeds can be a plant!? >... ...yes? Well then, do you now realize how retarded you are?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 17:12:10 2011 No.3576260 >>3576201 That is not happening yet, but they are working on as anon said: >>3576197

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 17:13:10 2011 No.3576266 >genes >patents Let's patent this thing that nature invented! Woohoo!

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 17:16:10 2011 No.3576283

>>3576200
I don't like it either, but as long as this only applies to cutting-edge crops I'm actually OK with it. If you can use a Monsanto-designed GMO crops once their patent expires, this is just a way of recouping R&D costs.

But if they use restriction technology to make it impossible to get seeds, even after the patent expires.... fuck them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 17:17:10 2011 No.3576291 You guys are missing the main point of the article and still arguing about topical nonsense. Where do all the crops Monsanto grows, go to?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 17:19:10 2011 No.3576296 >>3576248 they'd be fools not to maximize their own profits i have no idea, but pet food is likely

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 17:20:10 2011 No.3576308 >>3576291 Stop being an idiot. They grow a small number of plants, get MANY, MANY seeds from those plants, and sell them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 17:21:10 2011 No.3576311 >>3576291 Probably animal feed, including pet food. Depends on the crop.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 17:24:56 2011 No.3576338 [DELETED]

Wow, another poorfag farmer trying to justify plagiarism.

Here is a question. Why didn't you study agribusiness management or bioscience and join Monsanto to make a living instead of starting a shitty little farm? Why protest "corporate america" and be a luddite instead of being part of it?

Human civilization is part of a paradigm shift, there is no inherent meaning in living a peaceful pastoral existence, nothing is sacred and everything is for sale.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 17:25:10 2011 No.3576346

Wow, another poorfag farmer trying to justify plagiarism.

Here is a question. Why didn't you study agribusiness management or bioscience and join Monsanto to make a living instead of starting a shitty little farm? Why protest "corporate america" and be a luddite instead of being part of it?

Human civilization is part of a paradigm shift, there is no inherent meaning in living a peaceful rural lifestyle, nothing is sacred and everything is for sale.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 17:26:10 2011 No.3576352 >>3576346 >please, cut your balls off like I did. I can't live this way unless you do too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 18:16:10 2011 No.3576595 >>3576352 +1

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 20:07:10 2011 No.3577157 So what happens in 100 years when everything gets contaminated by GMO, and all of the world's staple crops are infertile?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 20:17:10 2011 No.3577218 >>3577157 Technology or Jesus will save us. >Silly Anony, worry about real problems.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 20:25:10 2011 No.3577276

>Where does Monsanto get the seeds that they sell?

they actually contract it out to stupid hippies they find in communes. they trick them into doing in using the names of their subsidiaries and promising this new food tech will help feed the world (of course this is all true). because monsanto loves to troll.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 20:37:10 2011 No.3577341 >>3577157 Because cross contamination rates are so high that it negates natural selection.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 20:47:10 2011 No.3577406

>>3577341
even if the cross-contamination rates are so high, resulting in infertile offspring.
Then the problem is gone in 2 cycles therefore natural selection would favor plant who were lucky not to interbreed, bottle neck effect. Nothing good, but there would still be surviving crop stems.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 20:49:10 2011 No.3577421 >>3577157 Ignorant hippy

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 20:50:10 2011 No.3577424 >>3577406 I was being sarcastic. Cross contamination of specific genes into other plants is very low.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 20:51:10 2011 No.3577431 >>3577424 yeah, it's easier to cross-pollinate

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 20:54:10 2011 No.3577451 Monsanto gets their seeds from a genetic laboratory

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 20:54:10 2011 No.3577452 >>3577431 in which case an infertile offspring is a good thing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 20:54:10 2011 No.3577453 >>3577421 Hey, fuck you man. Enjoy growing feet out of your head and a third eye because you ate contaminated "science is the new god" GM food! Fucking scum. I only eat organic food

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 20:57:10 2011 No.3577459 >>3577453 4/10

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 20:57:10 2011 No.3577460 you think they seriously just throw away the whole crop just to get seeds? They probably mash up whatever is left and sell it as animal food or something.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 20:59:10 2011 No.3577464
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>>3576201
>Those who try to grow organic or unmodified seed have had their crops overtaken by Monsanto crops. When pollination takes place, the dominant DNA of Monsanto crops shares its traits with the organic crops, including the suicide gene, and essentially transforms traditional crops into Monsanto crops.

WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE GI JOES.
WHERE THE SHIT IS CAPTAIN PLANET
WHERE THE TITS IS BATMAN

THIS IS CLEARLY AN EVIL MASTERMIND'S PLAN.
THIS IS LITERALLY SOMETHING SATURDAY CARTOON VILLIANS WOULD DO

FUCK, I THINK THE JOKER DID THIS IN BATMAN TAS.

WHAT THE SHIT JUSTICE SYSTEM

WHAT THE COCK NUGGETS

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 21:00:10 2011 No.3577471 >>3577452 Right, other people's infertttile crops is a good thing >right.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 21:02:10 2011 No.3577477

Zea mays consists mainly out of transposon junk.
The question is if the v-GURT complex is build only on 1n or on more than one in such an polyploid organism.
By that information you could calculate the likeliness of inclusion of the "suicide gene" in offspring produced by cross-pollination.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 21:02:10 2011 No.3577479 Hippy logic: Oh no! What if the GM plants breed and take over the world! GM is so evil! >GM companies make their crops infertible Fucking capitali$t pigs! They're exploiting to poor by forcing them to buy seeds over and over!

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 21:03:10 2011 No.3577484 >>3577479 They are when those infertile seeds cross-polinate reducing a farmer's own store of seeds forcing him to buy GM seeds. ?durp?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 21:03:10 2011 No.3577485 >>3577471 It doesn't stop normal crops from pollinating each other hippie scum but it stops the GMO "invasion"

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 21:10:10 2011 No.3577518

>>3577484
I think you have to state more clearly what you wanted to say: Because you just said infertile seeds would pollinate...

If the seed doesn't greminate, it can't pollinate.
If the resulting plant is infertile, it wouldn't pollinate either or the pollen would not be able to carry their genetic traits over to the next generation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 21:13:10 2011 No.3577538 >>3577485 >>3577518 So that's why any imported crops from the US (to the EU), even "organic" has GM traces?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 21:18:10 2011 No.3577563 >>3577538 Not all GM organisms are infertile

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 21:24:10 2011 No.3577592

>>3577538
Idiot I never stated anything about the P-generation pollen...
except that its likeliness to contaminate other non GM crops is bound by how many chromosome sets of said polyploid GM plant have the v-GURT complex.

Meaning there are traces doesn't directly relate to the v-GURT, it is only a genetic test for certain primers or a stupid RFLP analysis.

So that traces don't have to be anything genetically modified.
Please state further information of the tests to clear our arguement

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 21:37:10 2011 No.3577659 >>3577592 The primers wouldn't be there if it wasn't GM.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 17 00:02:10 2011 No.3578435 >>3576098 bump

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 17 00:09:10 2011 No.3578449 >>3578435 i'm still not sure how terminators seeds couldn't cross polinate. We're talking about the pollen being introduced, not the seeds.

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