Would you support the cloning of Neanderthals if they were able to both speak and act just as humans do?

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Blackman Tue Aug 16 01:27:09 2011 No.3572506 [Reply] [Original]

Would you support the cloning of Neanderthals if they were able to both speak and act just as humans do?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 01:28:33 2011 No.3572507 >>3572506 INB4 Nigger thread

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 01:32:09 2011 No.3572513 >>3572507 Lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 01:33:09 2011 No.3572522 File: 43 KB, 437x468, Neil_deGrasse_Tyson_-_NAC_Nov_2005.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] "I get emails from white people saying they wish they were smart as I was."

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 01:37:09 2011 No.3572538 imagine smoking a blunt with a neanderthal... chill as fuck

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 01:38:09 2011 No.3572542 nah, but if it was a Heidelberg man, than yes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 01:41:09 2011 No.3572557 >>3572542 heidelberg man was uncultured swine

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 01:46:09 2011 No.3572562 >>3572557 yeah, you know that. you where there.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 01:48:09 2011 No.3572573 >>3572562 you're right, i wasn't there but they couldn't even into art

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 01:50:09 2011 No.3572578 >>3572573 you dont know that. there could have been shit. maybe they made the mona lesa on a tree, but a beaver destroyed it or something.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 01:51:09 2011 No.3572581 >>3572578 lol cool logic bro. maybe ancient aliens built the pyramids too

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 01:53:09 2011 No.3572584 >>3572581 im just saying they could have done anything, but with wood, or something that degrades, retard. how did you not pick that up? stupid people shouldnt be on /sci/.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 01:53:09 2011 No.3572585 This thread is just begging for various Jewish conspiracy theories

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 01:54:09 2011 No.3572588 >>3572584 they clearly were fucking retarded if they didn't know how to preserve their art. uncultured swim

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 01:56:09 2011 No.3572594

>>3572588
>like that was a concern
>then maybe you should culture your pool up a bit, retard.

and also, they gave stuff to each other, so they wernt savages. i bet youve never gave anyone anything, or let alone have any friends to give anything to. i wouldnt want to be friends with an asshat like you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 01:58:09 2011 No.3572597 >>3572594 lol you're cool man. i bet you look like a heidelberg man and that is why you are taking offense. please an hero

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 02:02:09 2011 No.3572607 >>3572597 >>3572594 samefaggot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 02:03:09 2011 No.3572611 >>3572607 >implying i would ever pretend to be that big of a retard nope

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 02:04:09 2011 No.3572623 >>3572597 even if i did, at least i have social skills. oh look, you think someones wrong in your stupid little head, maybe you should be a total faggot about it.

>>	Blackman Tue Aug 16 02:06:09 2011 No.3572637 File: 24 KB, 632x467, 1282441606381.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Lol. /sci/ gonna /sci/

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 02:07:09 2011 No.3572641 >>3572623 implying anyone would want to be friends with a hairy midget, lol nope. dumbass.

>>	Blackman Tue Aug 16 02:12:09 2011 No.3572658 >>3572641 If I remember correctly, Homo heidelbergensis were about the same height as your average man.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 02:20:09 2011 No.3572683 their larynx was different from ours, i doubt they could speak english words we fucked them none the less

Blackman Tue Aug 16 02:25:09 2011 No.3572703

>>3572683
As for the larynx, I doubt that it would have prevented a Neanderthal from speaking English if were raised in an English speaking environment. However, maybe you are right. For the sake of the discussion that will never happen, let's pretend the larynx would not prevent them from speaking English.

>>	Blackman Tue Aug 16 02:38:09 2011 No.3572753 File: 141 KB, 1023x767, 1186295034477.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] No one else wants adopt Neanderthal babies? )=

>>	Blackman Tue Aug 16 02:39:09 2011 No.3572763 File: 31 KB, 600x800, babbbyaww.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3572753 *

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 02:40:09 2011 No.3572764 That's all the world needs, another version of the Mexian

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 02:41:09 2011 No.3572767 >>3572764 That's all /sci/ needs, another retard that can't spell.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 02:42:09 2011 No.3572770 >>3572764 >Mexian

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 02:43:09 2011 No.3572774 >>3572703 >>3572683 If the larynx is sufficiently different to make speaking full English impossible then maybe a mix of broken English and sign language?

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 02:44:09 2011 No.3572782

Yea we should bring them back and see if we cant create a bad ass hybrid that is super smart.

I think we should get lots of them and just continuously breed them for intelligence in eugenics campa until we have a fucking uber Neanderthal species that utilizes that huge brain. Then we just force them to do math for us.

>>	Blackman Tue Aug 16 02:45:09 2011 No.3572788 >>3572774 Yes, they would be a cooler version of deaf people

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 02:46:09 2011 No.3572793 >>3572658 they were actually bigger. they are big people, like giants.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 02:49:09 2011 No.3572809 File: 142 KB, 496x709, Aborigine.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How about we genocide the ones that currently live with us instead?

>>	Blackman Tue Aug 16 02:50:09 2011 No.3572813 >>3572793 Do you have a source for this? Or am I being trolololol'd

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 02:52:09 2011 No.3572820 >>3572809 http://national-socialist-worldview.blogspot.com/2010/05/all-races-outside-of-africa-have.html

>>	Axel the Possum Tue Aug 16 02:54:09 2011 No.3572822 >>3572506 I'd support it even if they weren't. It'd be a grand experiment; a look at another line that could have taken over the world.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 02:57:09 2011 No.3572832 >>3572813 get a clue faggot, their brains were 20% bigger, and their body size was to us like a mountain gorilla to a bonobo nonetheless we fucked them

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 02:57:09 2011 No.3572833 >>3572793 They were actually shorter than homo sapiens.

Blackman Tue Aug 16 03:02:09 2011 No.3572848

>>3572822
I agree, it would be a rather fascinating. However, it raises many ethical issues as bringing back Neanderthals solely for experimental purposes probably wouldn't gain much support from the general public as it would seem cruel.

Bringing Neanderthals back to co-exist with humans might be more supported but there is a great probability that they would be wrongfully discriminated against.

Just my two cents...

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 03:03:09 2011 No.3572852 >>3572848 >ethics Confirmed for pussy

>>	Blackman Tue Aug 16 03:04:09 2011 No.3572853 >>3572848 I support the cloning of Neanderthals *

>>	Blackman Tue Aug 16 03:06:09 2011 No.3572860 >>3572852 Lol, I'm no white knight. I just feel that a large enough community of Neanderthals would need to be created for it to be fair for them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 03:23:09 2011 No.3572891 >>3572809 You mean the Jews of course.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 03:32:09 2011 No.3572918

>>3572848
>Bringing Neanderthals back to co-exist with humans might be more supported but there is a great probability that they would be wrongfully discriminated against

Liberal faggots wont stop until we are all extinct.

We are the greatest hybrids in existence, we will conquer the universe!

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 03:33:09 2011 No.3572923 >>3572918 Neanderthals would've conquered the universe by now if the homo sapien mudbloods hadn't interluded.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 03:35:33 2011 No.3572928 YFW, if you're not pure African, you're part neanderthal.

>>	Blackman Tue Aug 16 03:37:09 2011 No.3572932 File: 89 KB, 503x417, neanderthallll.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I can already see it....

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 03:38:09 2011 No.3572937 >>3572923 And that is why we are so great, nothing will stand in our way of securing the universe as our own! You try siding with the aliens they know their defeat is inevitable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 03:40:09 2011 No.3572947 Make them a worker force.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 03:41:09 2011 No.3572952 I've yet to hear a decent argument against cloning any kind of Neandertal.

>>	Blackman Tue Aug 16 03:43:09 2011 No.3572959 File: 104 KB, 642x302, neanderthall.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3572947 INB4 they're stealing all of our jobs

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 03:43:09 2011 No.3572961 >>3572947 They are very slow breeders, which makes me want to agree but if we want to make a workforce I would suggest Negroids. They are the purest form of Homo Sapien, which also makes them the most dangerous to our grand plan.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 03:45:09 2011 No.3572965

Create a large enough amount so that they could happily breed, leave them on an island, and ban anyone from travelling near there.
See what happens.

Optionally, we could guide the evolution of their culture by making random drops to the island, they'd pray to the sky birds that drop the boxes of new weapons or tools.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 03:46:09 2011 No.3572969 >>3572965 Real life RTS. Someone do this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 03:46:09 2011 No.3572973 >>3572965 lol sounds fun in a terrible way.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 03:47:33 2011 No.3572977 [DELETED]

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>>3572969

>yfw we're just an experiment of other humans
>yfw they dropped us on a random planet and watched us evolve, giving us a book and mind-fucking half of the people
>yfw this is true

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 03:49:09 2011 No.3572980 >>3572977 The universe's greatest trolls

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 03:49:09 2011 No.3572981 >>3572973 Terrible? How so? I can't help thinking you mean it's cruel, or bad.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 03:50:09 2011 No.3572985 >>3572977 Except we have proof of our own evolution. Unmanufacturable proof, before you say it was planted.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 03:51:09 2011 No.3572986 >>3572981 it would be "cruel". you can't just place a people on random island and let them fend for themselves

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 03:53:09 2011 No.3572993 >>3572986 We would obviously place them on an island where they had resources to survive, but these are hunter-gatherers, so we wouldn't have to help them them that much.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 03:55:09 2011 No.3572998 >>3572986 We had to do the same, how is it cruel?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 03:55:09 2011 No.3572999 >>3572986 >People Hah, liberals, anything is a person to you.

>>	Blackman Tue Aug 16 03:56:09 2011 No.3573002 >>3572993 Seems sort of foolish, in my opinion. We already know Neanderthals can survive on their own, so what would be the point of this experiment?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 03:57:09 2011 No.3573010 >>3572993 >gatherers Except Neanderthals are carnivores. Hmm, I am beginning to believe they were more warlike than Negroids.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 03:58:09 2011 No.3573014 >>3573002 Except they can't since we wiped them off the face of the planet because they were inferior and needed to submit.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 03:58:09 2011 No.3573015

It'd be interesting to think about. I can't help but wonder how wonder how much more developed we may have been if homo sapiens hadn't outbreeded Neanderthals.

I'd picture Neanderthals being aspie-like scientists and engineers while homo sapiens sit back try to do "art" or whatever, while mooching off Neanderthal innovations.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:00:09 2011 No.3573020 >>3573015 While they were more intelligent they lacked our social skills, determination, perversion and fighting spirit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:01:09 2011 No.3573024 >>3572833 >>3572813 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_heidelbergensis if you actually READ it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:02:09 2011 No.3573032 >>3573015 Just realized that Neanderthals (whites) are currently being outbreeded in America by homo sapiens (black). History is truly repeating itself.

>>	Blackman Tue Aug 16 04:02:09 2011 No.3573034 >>3573014 The difference being humans wouldn't be mating with Neanderthals.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:03:09 2011 No.3573037

>>3573002
Yes, learning other paths that near homo sapiens could take in culture growth. For all we know, they could be completely different to us, they could develop early fundamental methods and technologies we never thought of.

It'd be like our very own knowledge farm.

>>	Blackman Tue Aug 16 04:06:09 2011 No.3573051 >>3573034 Even if humans did mate with them it wouldn't be at a rate which would cause them to once again go extinct. I'm sure there would be some sort of Neanderthal preservation system in place hah

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:06:09 2011 No.3573053 >>3573032 What's the purpose of this? >Neanderthals (whites) and >homo sapiens (black)

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:08:09 2011 No.3573056

>>3573032
Don't be stupid, if the Negroids breed with us they will just gain the genes we obtained from Neanderthals.

Of course, stopping them would be preferred, as they are incredibly aggressive and lack determination (they will probably lose these unneeded traits after time has passed but this would take too long and be another setback on technological progression).

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:08:09 2011 No.3573057 >>3573002 It'd be interesting, don't reveal ourselves to them, but wait until they have the technological ability to discover us.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:08:09 2011 No.3573058 >>3573034 Have you seen /d/? Humans will mate with ANYTHING.

>>	Blackman Tue Aug 16 04:10:09 2011 No.3573066 >>3573037 Neanderthals were already on Earth for a substantial amount of time. They didn't create anything magnificent during their existence and I doubt on an island with only basic resources they would create anything magnificent.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:12:09 2011 No.3573077 >>3573066 They were more intelligent than us, but that means nothing, there is no 'more' intelligent, that is just something to limit ourselves.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:12:09 2011 No.3573078 >>3573066 They had been on earth the exact same amount of time as us. As we had the same common ancestor.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:13:09 2011 No.3573087 >>3573066 We don't know enough about them to make an assumption like that. We do know that they were creating music long before us though.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:15:33 2011 No.3573093 [DELETED]

>>3573078
>the exact same amount of time as us

Nigger, you are fucking retarded, evolution doesn't have a clock.

They might have started before us or after us.

Evolution doesn't just go: "Well, since they are evolving and we share a common ancestor we have to evolve as well, at THE SAME TIME!"

Blackman Tue Aug 16 04:16:09 2011 No.3573100

>>3573087
I'm not saying they aren't intelligent enough to make the things we have create, it's just on an island that a typical human could only made a wooden spear from, I doubt they will figure out how to make submarines to cross the ocean in the time it takes the public to hold interest.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:17:09 2011 No.3573106 >>3573093 You say that like they decided one day much earlier than us that they were going to just... evolve into Neanderthals.

>>	Blackman Tue Aug 16 04:18:09 2011 No.3573107 >>3573100 It's late and I sadly have lost my ability to spell the most basic words and write sentences using proper grammar. Forgive me

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:19:09 2011 No.3573111 >>3573053 The black population is increasing exponentially while the white population is dwindling. Africans are the only pure homo sapiens in the world

>>	Blackman Tue Aug 16 04:19:09 2011 No.3573114 >>3573078 I don't see what you are getting at? Who exactly wants to monitor an experiment on an island for 50,000 years when you could integrate them into society as soon as a community of Neanderthals is formed?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:21:09 2011 No.3573122 >>3573093 You're an idiot, our two species are extremely similar, which means not a lot of evolution since our common ancestor. We just got split up geographically, and developed a bit differently, we were both of the genus "homo" at the same time.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:21:09 2011 No.3573124

>>3572506
average neantherthal has roughly same brain size as humans but have 20 kilos more musckles. so uber soldiers!
however, they were nomadick pack animals (all organisms in kingdom animalia is animal including H. sapiens) only living in smaller groups. it is likely that they would not be able to psycologicaly cope with the large societies of H. sapiens.
capability of working in larger groups was probably the advantage of H. sapiens over neanderthals, not superor brain power.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:24:09 2011 No.3573128 >>3573124 Homo sapiens also remained in small bands in our earlier existence. If born in a large society, they would adapt

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:24:09 2011 No.3573129 >>3573114 What would you gain from integrating them into society that early? What would they do? You think they're going to be capable of acting as we do? Living as we do?

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:24:09 2011 No.3573130

>>3573066
Humans have been around for well over 200,000 years and have only managed to create lasting structures in the last 10,000, roughly 14,000 years after Neanderthal man became extinct.

Claiming that Neanderthal man wouldn't be able to do anything based on the history of the species is pretty dim. An outside species observing Humans 15,000 years ago could make the same conclusions about us, and look how far we've come. From basic agriculture to wrecking the entire planet in less than ten thousand years.

Blackman Tue Aug 16 04:27:09 2011 No.3573144

>>3573129
You're damn right I do. They would do the same things we do.
>>3573130
Cool story, bro. I understand they are capable of doing everything we have done. Putting them on an island to create their own civilization will probably get them as far as the tribes in Papua New Guinea who have never seen a television before the public decides that they don't give a shit about Neanderthals anymore.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:31:09 2011 No.3573156

>>3573128
this is not entirely true, H. sapiens early societies often had up to between 200 and 300 individuals. it is interesting as this is usually the roughly the number of people friends, relatives and aquaintances most humans have today. H. sapiens could ofcourse live in smaller groups, but this is concidered the ideal, when you concider how we keep bonds with relatives and friends. interesting analogy is clan societies.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:31:09 2011 No.3573159 >>3573122 Did they evolve to be on the Earth the exact SAME time Homo Sapiens did? Take a while to ponder on that before you call someone else a dumbass for pointing out your mistake.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:37:09 2011 No.3573191 cloning neanderthals was part of god's plan

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:37:09 2011 No.3573192

>>3573159
obviously you have no idea what ur talking about. we have comon ancestors which means that untill the point neanderthals were extinct, we have evolved the exact same amount of time. it's impossible to acurately determine acurately when we even became seperate speasies. using omon biological definition of species we are actually the same since analyzes of our genome shows that we could probably have fertile children together.

biologist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:38:09 2011 No.3573195 File: 6 KB, 147x189, THINK.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] With what purpose?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:39:09 2011 No.3573198 >>3573191 NO GOD MADE US IN HIS IMAGE AND FOR US TO MAKE A CHEAP REPLICA WOULD BE WRONG AND IMMORAL

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:39:09 2011 No.3573199 i'd support clonning superhot girls putting brain of female dogs on them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:40:09 2011 No.3573200 >>3573195 they deserve a second chance

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:42:09 2011 No.3573208

Neanderthals
>Cold weather experts, built for the Ice Age
>Shorter, more powerful bodies
>Small but (assumed) tight family groups
>Larger brain but proportioned differently

Homo Sapiens
>Capable of surviving the Ice Age, but not physically as hardy
>Taller, leaner body meant for slow-burn calorie consumption. Further on less food.
>Brain smaller, but with more emphasis on creative space and social bonding. More original ideas, and more people to try it with.

Also:
>We. Exist. Obviously we were more suited to living on this planet, because we still do.

As for OP's Question, I wouldn't mind cloning them for studying their bodies, but I wouldn't want them to be walking around and mingling with society.

>>	Blackman Tue Aug 16 04:42:09 2011 No.3573211 File: 144 KB, 912x1200, awwbaby.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3573195 Think of the cute Neanderthal babies

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:43:09 2011 No.3573215 >>3573208 >more emphasis on creativity*

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:43:09 2011 No.3573217 >people calling one homo sapiens and one neandertals I thought Neandertals were homo sapiens. What happen?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:44:09 2011 No.3573222 >>3573192 i really, wish i had read over that to correct it before i posted it. dyslecktic fuck

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:45:09 2011 No.3573224 File: 70 KB, 460x300, fight4601.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] In the blue corner: Average western male vs. In the red corner: Average Neanderthal man Fight! Fight! Fight! 40 golden florins on the Neanderthal

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:46:09 2011 No.3573227 >>3573224 Looks like you'd win. In a one-v-one straight fight, Neanderthal would win all over.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:47:09 2011 No.3573229 >>3573211 Now thats the babby of a true master race.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:47:09 2011 No.3573230 >>3573217 Liberals call them Homo sapiens neanderthalensis Stormfags call them Homo neanderthalensis

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:48:09 2011 No.3573234 >>3573227 I'm not familiar with fighting rules but wouldn't superior running ability be a pretty nifty advantage?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:48:09 2011 No.3573238 >>3573211 acording to neanderthal baby sceletons and studies of the size of the muscle atachment areas, they were born as fucking body builders!

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:50:09 2011 No.3573245
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>>3573192
Fuck man, you must be the best biologist there is! Clearly, because your incoherency makes me unable to grasp what you are trying to argue.

>it's impossible to acurately determine acurately when we even became seperate speasies

Really?

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:51:09 2011 No.3573248

>>3573234
Based on his picture, I kind of just assumed this was a no-weapons brawl. In that case, the human would probably have more stamina but the Neanderthal would only need to catch him a once or twice, then choke the life out of him. Those dense bones make for heavy hands, and those muscles swing those heavy hands pretty hard y'know?

Of course, it would depend on the personality behind the fists. If the human were incredibly aggressive, and the Neanderthal was easily intimidated, then the human could walk all over him.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:51:09 2011 No.3573251 >>3573234 yes. neanderthals could outrunn a fucking deer. so 2-0 to homo neanderthalis

>>	Blackman Tue Aug 16 04:51:09 2011 No.3573252 >>3573238 No surprise. I mean they reached physical maturity not long after most male humans are starting puberty.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:52:09 2011 No.3573254
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>>3573224
Ding Ding!
Next round!
Survival challenge!
A race across 200 miles of uninhabited boreal forest in winter, infested with wolves and bears. Start with nothing, no clothes, no food, no tools.
First to reach the finish / last one living wins!
Go! Go! Go!

100 gold florins on the Neanderthal

>>	Blackman Tue Aug 16 04:54:09 2011 No.3573255 >>3573254 Ugh. I can already picture the retarded reality shows that would be created. Neanderthal vs Wild. True Life : I'm a Neanderthal Neanderthal Shore

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:55:09 2011 No.3573259

>>3573254
Assuming that both were perfect specimens of their species, and were equally trained by their own people in survival? I'd bet on the Neanderthal again. Both would finish, I am sure, but the Neanderthal would win by a slight margin.

Humans' major strength was in their ability to work together in larger groups.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:55:09 2011 No.3573260 >>3573254 >no clothes, no food, no tools. FINAL DESTINATION. Quit being a faggot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:55:09 2011 No.3573262 >>3573245 So probably somewheare between 0,4 and 0,6 million years ago is acurate to you?.. really? on the incoherence of my post, i apologize i wish i had read through it before posting.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:57:09 2011 No.3573267 >>3573259 No, shit, allow me to correct myself. Humans would win the 200 mile race. Ability to slow-burn would mean he could go further without having to hunt as often. Neanderthals -may- have had that ability, but I am not sure.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:58:09 2011 No.3573268 >>3573251 Source? Mine says they hunted in groups to take down large-medium size prey, sounds like modern bushmen without a division of labor. And at least today, stocky bodies do not good runners make.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 04:59:09 2011 No.3573271 >>3573254 >200 miles of uninhabited boreal forest in winter >No clothes Neanderthals were MADE for that shit. The sapien would get hypothermia and die within the first 12 hours.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 05:00:09 2011 No.3573273 >>3573254 >no clothes, no food, no tools Only the adult male neanderthals survive, then die of hypothermia.

>>	Blackman Tue Aug 16 05:00:09 2011 No.3573274 >>3573271 Lol >>3573268 He's joking. Neanderthals couldn't run for shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 05:01:09 2011 No.3573276 I am this guy >>3573259 and I am agreeing with this guy >>3573271 I didn't notice the "no clothes" bit. Little tired, my mistake.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 05:02:09 2011 No.3573278 >>3572507 Europeans have Neanderthal ancestry, negros do not. Joke is on you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 05:02:09 2011 No.3573280 File: 16 KB, 281x380, 1273182481193.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3573267 don't forget, we had dogs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 05:03:09 2011 No.3573284 Are neanderthal lovers /sci/'s version of stormfags now?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 05:03:09 2011 No.3573285 >>3573262 Wasn't the point. Humans and Neanderthals didn't evolve the EXACT same time. That is what we are arguing here. >, Hah, Yurop and your craziness.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 05:04:09 2011 No.3573286 >>3573284 da fuck is a stormfag?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 05:04:09 2011 No.3573289 >>3573284 No, stormfags are /sci/'s version of stormfags.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 05:04:09 2011 No.3573290 >>3573284 Yes.

>>	Blackman Tue Aug 16 05:07:09 2011 No.3573298 >>3573286 A stormfag is either someone who is actually from Stormfront or just someone who posts in manner to those from Stormfront. Stormfags were the heart of /new/

>>	Blackman Tue Aug 16 05:08:09 2011 No.3573307 >>3573298 Lol, I need to go to bed. Neanderthals can wait 5 hours to be cloned.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 05:08:09 2011 No.3573309 >>3573298 Ahh. Takk.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 05:13:09 2011 No.3573326 >>3573286 A stormfag is anyone who disagrees with a Liberal and a Liberal's morals. Don't believe Negroids are equal? STORMFAG! Don't believe intelligence can be gained through breeding it? STORMFAG etc.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 05:18:09 2011 No.3573339 >>3573326 I thought Liberals didn't have morals... mixing your talking points again?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 05:20:09 2011 No.3573345 >>3573339 >Liberals didn't have morals What kind of Liberals do you hang around with?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 05:23:09 2011 No.3573350 >>3573345 I am a liberal, it's just the most common accusation I hear from my conservative friends. I do happen to be amoral, but I'm also atypical.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 05:32:09 2011 No.3573378

>>3573350
>amoral, but I'm also atypical.

Are you a hipster? Do you believe in equality? Do you enjoy pseudo-science and the presence of pseudo-intellectuals? Do you hate christianity and promote islam? Do you believe gays and retards should be able to breed? Do you like to impose white guilt on yourself and your friends? Do you not believe racism is code for anti-white? Do you enjoy race-mixing? Do you condemn Nationalism?

If you tick all of the boxes you are a 'Liberal' or what is considered a Liberal in today's society. If you don't tick any of them well then, I respect you and expect you to fight against multiculturalism.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 05:40:09 2011 No.3573387

>>3573378
>Are you a hipster?
what's that?
>Do you believe in equality?
in what context? human equality? nope.
>Do you enjoy pseudo-science and the presence of pseudo-intellectuals?
sure
>Do you hate christianity and promote islam? hate them both
>Do you believe gays and retards should be able to breed?
um, nope
>Do you like to impose white guilt on yourself and your friends?
nope
>Do you not believe racism is code for anti-white?
not really
>Do you enjoy race-mixing?
love it. latinas and black girls fuck like you wouldn't believe
>Do you condemn Nationalism?
yep, nationalists are sheep

I don't think I'll be fighting multiculturalism with you, you're a dinosaur. globalism is inevitable so long as civilization doesn't collapse... which I would guess isn't actually going to be very long. but when civilization dies you will too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 05:45:09 2011 No.3573394 NEANDERTHALS AND HUMANS WAS OF EQUAL HEIGHT! TODAY HUMANS ARE TALLER BECAUSE OF BETTER NUTRITION AND FEWER DISEASES.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 05:50:09 2011 No.3573403 >>3573378 I'll help you fight all culture. I fucking hate culture.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 05:58:09 2011 No.3573419

>reviving a dead species of homo
>dooming them to existence of constant abuse, scorn and knowledge of being the lesser race while watching how homo sapiens destroys the planet

we got enough problems as it is. we don't need them and they don't fit with the world as it is now. Leave the dead alone.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 06:00:09 2011 No.3573422

>>3573387
You are just a dumbass, at least you aren't a total dumba-

>nationalists are sheep
>Liberal calling someone else a sheep

Sorry buddy, you just went full retard.

When civilization and America 'fall' call me, it is never going to happen, I don't want to get into 'conspiracy' theories but if you think the higher ups are just clucking around like chickens and are getting constantly screwed over by 'problems' in the future you are pretty naive.

Whatever we are on /sci/ I do not want to get into this discussion.

On topic:
>Enjoys pseudo-science

Leave and stay out of /sci/ forever.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 06:04:09 2011 No.3573429

>>3573422
america's already fallen, your america at least.
we have no more use for you. once the baby boomers are dead and the south conquered again you won't be a voting part of america.

no conspiracy theories, just malthus. our country is going down in the next century, as if we're still relevant now...

I enjoy pseudo-science, whiskey, porn, raw meat, and your girl. I don't think I'll leave.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 06:19:09 2011 No.3573454

>>3573429
>america's already fallen

If you mean it is, like the rest of the world a secret plutocracy, you are correct. If you mean fall as in society crumbles we should end this discussion as you probably don't know much on the subject (not really insulting you, you should read more on our insurance, which is our gold supplies).

>your girl

Classy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 06:21:09 2011 No.3573456 >>3573454 I happen to be familiar with our gold supplies you can't eat it

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 06:26:09 2011 No.3573466 >>3573456 >If I can't eat it then it will not save our economy I always wondered how Liberals survived to this day with nothing but their art degrees.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 06:28:09 2011 No.3573472 >>3573466 I have a science degree. Most scientists in the US are in fact liberals... unless we count engineers- they tend to skew the sample towards religious nuttery. are you an engineer perchance?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 06:28:09 2011 No.3573474 File: 68 KB, 630x370, OtoyaReactionFace.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3573466 >he's gonna eat gold Good luck, I wish you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 06:36:09 2011 No.3573501 >>3573472 Most scientists in the US are also pretty retarded and have their views skewed by the media and the... well, you know. >are you an engineer perchance? That's no- fuck you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 06:40:09 2011 No.3573512 >>3573501 You're not an engineer or a scientist, then what the hell are you doing here? Trying to recruit stormfronters? Go to hell.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 06:42:09 2011 No.3573515

>>3573501
which media? I don't own a t.v., have time for news, or read magazines that aren't porn.

you probably have a point, we don't give a fuck about politics usually, but conservative is in nature opposed to progressive, and science is by definition progressive.

not an engineer then... must be an economist, other sociologist, or applied science... or perhaps just a poorly informed fanboy? I suspect you may be our resident /new/fag, and thus too dumb to science anyways.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 06:42:09 2011 No.3573520 File: 7 KB, 191x234, 73957239852.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] If they have big dicks and immune to things like HIV, then yes, I would very welcome that idea.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 06:43:09 2011 No.3573521 >>3573512 I'm starting to think you are a Yuro with bad reading comprehension. I'm a mathematician, 300k starting, any job I want. >Implying engineers aren't the backbone of America and should be seen as National heroes

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 06:49:09 2011 No.3573546 >>3573521 >lying on anonymous image board

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 06:50:09 2011 No.3573551 No. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZbmywzGAVs

>>	Painful Elegy Tue Aug 16 06:51:33 2011 No.3573553 >>3573456 >MFW when he doesn't realize that gold is a fiat currency like paper money, since it only has value because we believe it to have value instead of basing it's value on it's actual utility.

>>	Painful Elegy Tue Aug 16 06:52:22 2011 No.3573555 >>3573521 Engineers are not the backbone of america, farmers are. We have a much greater need for food than we do for structures.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 07:08:09 2011 No.3573588 >>3573546 >>3573555 >Two guys don't get /sci/ jokes >Prove they have bad reading comprehension Yet, only one is a retard. Can you guess who, kids? That's right, the namefag!

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 07:14:09 2011 No.3573601 >>3573588 What namefag? Even if there was one, you're the idiot for implying that being a namefag is a viable reason for calling someone retarded, even if it is the generic 4chan method

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 07:18:09 2011 No.3573612 >>3573601 It wasn't because he was a namefag, it was because of the stupidity of his post, maybe you shouldn't make a dumbass assumption you mongoloid.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 07:23:09 2011 No.3573619

>>3573612

The stupidity of the post? My guess is that you're probably just butthurt over some old namefag destroying your arguments.

>can't provide evidence that a post was stupid.
>Resorts to name calling

Learn to be more subtle (or at least more creative) with your insults.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 07:23:09 2011 No.3573620 >>3573020 >While they were more intelligent No, they fucking weren't.

Painful Elegy Tue Aug 16 07:27:09 2011 No.3573630

>>3573620

Actually they were. The issue is that they couldn't support the 8000+ calorie diet they needed as compared to our 2000 calorie diet.

We didn't succeed because we were more intelligent, we succeeded because we were more sustainable without society.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 07:27:09 2011 No.3573632 >>3573619 Painful Elegy detected. >destroying your arguments You just got me laughing really hard man, my god, that was hilarious. I'm sorry Painful Elegy do you really want me to screencap your deleted post so I have permission to insult you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 07:32:09 2011 No.3573642 >>3573632 Nah, because it makes perfect sense I'm painful elegy, and it's not you backtracking to save your ass. You clearly have outwitted me and I bow over your mastery of an online forum. Congratulations.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 07:33:09 2011 No.3573644 >>3573630 >Actually they were. Actually, they weren't.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 07:36:09 2011 No.3573649 >>3573642 You are arguing me over something incredibly trivial and are defending an individual that isn't yourself? You lost control of your life, man.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 07:41:09 2011 No.3573659 >>3573649 I'm sitting up at 5 in the morning lurking 4chan when I have classes in the morning. I'm already off kilter.

Painful Elegy Tue Aug 16 07:49:09 2011 No.3573668

>>3573644

Really? then why don't you do a search on it, especially seeing that neanderthals were able to reproduce with us, and they had a 1400cc cranial capacity compared to our 1370cc cranial capacity, in addition to their more robust anatomy and stouter larynx.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 07:50:09 2011 No.3573671 >>3573668 >why don't you do a search on it Why don't you? Find me any credible source that says they were more intelligent.

Painful Elegy Tue Aug 16 08:01:09 2011 No.3573694

>>3573671

>show me some studies that show humans are more intelligent than neanderthals.

They're both positive claims. But the fact of the matter is:

-neaderthals could mate with humans (implies almost identical build, and by extension almost identical brain structures [especially since most primates have near identical structuring of the brain, closer relatives are more likely to have it as well])
-the neanderthal's cranial capacity was an average of 1400cc as compared to our 1370cc.

From these points it is safe to assume that neanderthals most likely had greater intelligence.

Remember, this is comparing humans and neanderthals of the time period, not modern humans to the last of the neanderthals which essentially went extinct during prehistory.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 08:08:09 2011 No.3573717

>>3573694

So, I assume you looked and couldn't find anything. Ok.

>They're both positive claims.

But you're making one and I'm not. You're the one who's saying something as if it's an accepted fact when there's no real evidence for it whatsoever.

>safe to assume

lolno, that's conjecture and not even particularly good conjecture. A 2% difference in skull size between different species, and it's "safe to assume?" lrntobiology

Painful Elegy Tue Aug 16 08:15:09 2011 No.3573735

>>3573717

Yes, I'm clearly ignoring the fact that the primary factor in intelligence is the structuring of the brain and not the size, because clearly the structure of the brain in between 2 organisms that could reproduce and have viable offspring is different enough to eliminate the significance of an extra 2% in the size of the brain.

Looks like I'm not the one who needs the lesson in biology.

Painful Elegy Tue Aug 16 08:25:09 2011 No.3573763

>>3573717

Also, some articles since you want them.

http://io9.com/5684169/the-brains-of-human-and-neanderthal-babies-were-almost-identical
http://anthropology.net/2008/08/26/on-neandertal-stone-tools-estimations-of-their-intelligence/
http://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.com/2010/10/setback-for-neanderthal-intelligence.html
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1952933,00.html
http://www.science20.com/news_releases/neanderthal_intelligence_as_cause_of_extinction_not_true_say_
researchers

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 08:26:09 2011 No.3573767

>>3573717
>saying something as if it's an accepted fact when there's no real evidence for it whatsoever

This is the key point, I think. That's how urban legends get started. Somebody makes a conjecture, somebody else repeats it as a hypothesis, and so forth, until eventually you've got people casually saying that neanderthals were smarter than humans, because of course they were.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 08:30:09 2011 No.3573777

>>3573763
>http://io9.com/5684169/the-brains-of-human-and-neanderthal-babies-were-almost-identical

The first of those links specifically says they probably weren't as intelligent as humans. I'm going to go ahead and assume you haven't read any of them.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 08:34:09 2011 No.3573781

>>3573735
>Yes, I'm clearly ignoring the fact that the primary factor in intelligence is the structuring of the brain and not the size, because clearly the structure of the brain in between 2 organisms that could reproduce and have viable offspring is different enough to eliminate the significance of an extra 2% in the size of the brain.

You're being sarcastic, but that's actually true. Human and neanderthal brain structure was different.

Painful Elegy Tue Aug 16 08:38:09 2011 No.3573793

>>3573777

Actually, I did. maybe if you payed more attention, you would notice that the part you were referencing was comparing neanderthals to modern humans (specifically how modern humans have different learning procedures in comparison to ancient humans, who had development procedures similar to neanderthals.)

WOrk on your reading comprehension.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 08:42:09 2011 No.3573801 >>3573793 >specifically how modern humans have different learning procedures in comparison to ancient humans It doesn't say that at all.

>>	Painful Elegy Tue Aug 16 08:43:09 2011 No.3573803 File: 49 KB, 514x480, brains-514x480.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3573781 Actually, no. The difference in structure was insignificant in comparison to the difference in size. Pic related.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 08:45:09 2011 No.3573809 >>3573803 >The difference in structure was insignificant in comparison to the difference in size. He says, based on nothing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 08:46:09 2011 No.3573812 >>3573803 Really? Because if anything, that picture seems to show the opposite. Same size, different shape.

Painful Elegy Tue Aug 16 08:47:09 2011 No.3573815

>>3573801

According to lead researcher Philipp Gunz, after about a year modern human brains start to connect together different regions of the brain, which is crucial to intelligence - and something Neanderthal brains didn't do:

"In modern humans, the connections between diverse brain regions that are established in the first years of life are important for higher-order social, emotional, and communication functions. It is therefore unlikely that Neanderthals saw the world as we do."

Since Neanderthal brains didn't undergo similar sets of changes, it's unlikely that they achieved the same levels of intelligence we possess today. And this difference in early brain development could be crucial to fully comprehending the current work on sequencing the Neanderthal genome, as the researchers explain:

The uniquely modern pattern of early brain development is particularly interesting in the light of the recent breakthroughs in the Neanderthal genome project, which identified genes relevant to cognition that are derived in living humans. We speculate that a shift away from the ancestral pattern of brain development occurring in early Homo sapiens underlies brain reorganization and that the associated cognitive differences made this growth pattern a target for positive selection in modern humans."

Let's see... Every reference to humans refers to MODERN HUMANS. my point stands.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 08:48:09 2011 No.3573817 >>3573803 They certianly look like they're the same size but of different structure. What are you trying to show again?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 08:48:09 2011 No.3573821 >>3573815 >my point stands. The point where it doesn't say at all what you claimed it said?

>>	Painful Elegy Tue Aug 16 08:48:09 2011 No.3573822 >>3573812 No, it shows near identical shape, and a slight difference in size (the numbers are still 1400 for neanderthal and 1370 for sapiens).

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 08:49:09 2011 No.3573824 >>3573822 >it shows near identical shape, and a slight difference in size It seems like you're looking at a different picture than everyone else.

Painful Elegy Tue Aug 16 08:50:09 2011 No.3573825

>>3573821

"In modern humans, the connections between diverse brain regions that are established in the first years of life are important for higher-order social, emotional, and communication functions. It is therefore unlikely that Neanderthals saw the world as we do."

How dense are you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 08:51:09 2011 No.3573828 >>3573825 So?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 08:51:09 2011 No.3573829 >>3573252 [Citation needed}

>>	Painful Elegy Tue Aug 16 08:52:09 2011 No.3573833 >>3573824 So then, if I'm so blind about the shape changes, tell me, what is the difference besides the neanderthal's being slightly more oblong?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 08:52:09 2011 No.3573835 where are people getting these brain size informations? Everything I've run across about Neanderthalis says their brains were smaller, H. spaiens @ 1500 vs H. Neanderthalis @ 1300 give or take 50cc http://archaeologyinfo.com/homo-sapiens/

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 08:53:09 2011 No.3573839 >>3573833 The neanderthals being quite a bit more oblong is the only visible difference.

Painful Elegy Tue Aug 16 08:54:09 2011 No.3573840

>>3573828

Really? SO!? This is exactly what I was referring to! It's straight from the article. Not to mention the fact that the article always refers to sapiens as modern, so specifically from our time period.

I have never seen someone so dense before in my life.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 08:56:09 2011 No.3573846 >>3573840 Yeah, so? Your claim is that ancient humans and neanderthals had the same brain structure. You quote something saying that modern humans and neanderthals had different brain structure. So?

>>	Painful Elegy Tue Aug 16 08:59:09 2011 No.3573856 >>3573839 Yes, it is just more oblong. This does not change the structuring of the brain in comparison to homo sapiens.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 09:00:09 2011 No.3573859 If they would act just as humans do, then what'd be the point?

>>	Painful Elegy Tue Aug 16 09:02:09 2011 No.3573861 >>3573846 No, what the first link notes is that neanderthal neonates have identical structuring to modern sapien neonates, the structuring difference coming from the 50k+ years.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 09:03:09 2011 No.3573866 >>3573856 On what authority are you saying that? Why did you post that picture? I don't understand what argument you're trying to make.

>>	Painful Elegy Tue Aug 16 09:03:09 2011 No.3573868 >>3573846 *cont. and different requirements for survival in modern society and prehistoric environments.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 09:04:09 2011 No.3573872 Great idea. Bring back a competing species. God damn modern society sure is naive, stupid and arrogant.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 09:04:09 2011 No.3573873 >>3573861 So?

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 09:04:09 2011 No.3573876

>>3573859
What's the point in maths? I'm not an accountant so I never use it.

What's the point in going to space? There's no air on Mars, so I'll never go to it.

What's the point in reading? We're all going to die and decompose anyway, so why bother?

Basically, die in a fire. The point is to learn everything we can about Neanderthals because we want to know as much as we can. It's a human thing. Your kind wouldn't understand.

>>	Painful Elegy Tue Aug 16 09:07:09 2011 No.3573885 >>3573866 You're saying the difference in brain size does not matter. The thing is in brains that are structured similarly, the maximum intelligence is dependent on the size of the brain. It shouldn't be that hard to figure this out.

>>	Painful Elegy Tue Aug 16 09:10:09 2011 No.3573898 >>3573873 You keep on saying "so?" as if it refutes the claims. If you're really having issues with keeping up with the discussion, then you shouldn't be trying to argue.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 09:13:09 2011 No.3573906 >>3573898 I keep saying "so" because you keep quoting non sequitors.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 09:13:09 2011 No.3573903 >>3573885 No, I'm saying the brains seem different (as you would expect, given they're different species), and you haven't been able to produce anything that indicates otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 09:13:09 2011 No.3573905 >>3573885 Jebus H Krist, you retard===> "One parameter that did not explain Einstein's mental prowess, however, was the size of his brain: At 1230 grams, it fell at the low end of average for modern humans." ~ http://www.physorg.com/news159536686.html

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 09:15:09 2011 No.3573913 >>3573876 You simply don't get it, do you? It wouldn't be half as interesting to study them if the speak and act in the same way as we do. If they were more than just superficially different on the other hand...

Painful Elegy Tue Aug 16 09:22:09 2011 No.3573932

>>3573906

A non sequitor only applies to something that does not follow.

Every quote I have made has been to show how the structuring of the homo sapien is similar enough to neanderthal to render it structurally insignificant.

>>3573905

Yes, einstein had some unique features to his brain, but you're looking at this wrong.

There is an structuring that acts as the average for the population.

The average neanderthal brain and the average sapien brain contain no significant differences.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 09:26:09 2011 No.3573939

Neanderthals can produce viable offspring with homo sapiens.
They had larger brains, they were shorter and much stronger.
As far as we can tell, their only disadvantage is that they need twice as much food to survive.

Why the fuck wouldn't we clone them?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 09:27:09 2011 No.3573945 >>3573932 >Every quote I have made has been to show how the structuring of the homo sapien is similar enough to neanderthal to render it structurally insignificant. Except that none of the things you quoted did that.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 09:29:45 2011 No.3573954 [DELETED]

Okay, before this thread denigrates into nigger-hating.

The biggest difference between Africans and the rest of Homo Sapiens is that Africans are missing 2-5% Neanderthal DNA.

Also; Neanderthals are believed to have had pale skin, freckles and red hair.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 09:32:09 2011 No.3573963

>>3573939
>Why the fuck wouldn't we clone them?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Because it would be unethical to create a sentient being as a test subject, especially since there's a good chance they wouldn't be able to adapt to the modern world.

>their only disadvantage is that they need twice as much food to survive.

Not true. Their brains were different, and they probably wouldn't be as intelligent as us.

Painful Elegy Tue Aug 16 09:36:09 2011 No.3573971

>>3573945

Man, you have not been paying attention at all then. This entire thing has been about Neanderthal intelligence versus Sapien intelligence.

Everything about the structuring is because you keep on bitching about the Structures making neanderthals less intelligent.

You've done nothing but dodge the points, making any substantive discussion with you impossible.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 09:37:09 2011 No.3573978 >>3573963 >Not true. Their brains were different, and they probably wouldn't be as intelligent as us. ys, it was 50% larger when normalized for size, they would kick our ass mentally.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 09:38:09 2011 No.3573979

>>3573913
>You simply don't get it, do you?
Wow. You are retarded and arrogant. Actually, YOU don't get it. We want to clone Neanderthals because we want to learn more about them first hand. Plus, if we clone Neanderthals successfully, we can clone other species successfully. This gives more stuff to learn.

Like I said, it's a human thing. You wouldn't understand.

>>	Painful Elegy Tue Aug 16 09:38:09 2011 No.3573980 >>3573963 Again, don't know why we nave to keep bringing it up, but it's their higher caloric content and inability to create an effective language (tongue was attached too high up to allow for a significant amount of syllables)

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>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 09:41:09 2011 No.3573986 >>3573978 >ys, it was 50% larger when normalized for size, they would kick our ass mentally. No, it wasn't, and no, they wouldn't. Don't confuse sci fi with reality.

>>	Painful Elegy Tue Aug 16 09:42:09 2011 No.3573993 >>3573986 50% is an exaggeration, the number is closer to 5 percent.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 09:43:09 2011 No.3573999

>>3573971

What points? You haven't quoted a single source that says that humans and neanderthals had the same brain structure. In fact, everything you have brought up would indicate that they didn't. You just point to something and say "see?" and hope nobody will notice it doesn't support what you're saying.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 09:45:09 2011 No.3574004 >>3573993 Actually it's closer to 2%, and their brains weren't as interconnected as ours.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 09:45:09 2011 No.3574005 >>3573981 I love you. <3

Painful Elegy Tue Aug 16 09:48:09 2011 No.3574012

>>3573999

THE FIRST FUCKING ARTICLE TALKED ABOUT THIS EXACT POINT.

IT EXPLICITLY STATED THAT NEONATAL SAPIENS AND NEONATAL NEANDERTHALS HAVE THE SAME STRUCTURE.

IT SAYS THAT IT TH DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MODERN HUMANS AND NEANDERTHALS COME FROM THE BRAIN DEVELOPING FOR DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS.

YOU NEED TO LEARN TO FUCKING READ.

Painful Elegy Tue Aug 16 09:50:09 2011 No.3574017

>>3574004

Yes, the interconnections are the only significant differences, and that's only because we were able to survive long enough for our intelligence to take precedence, and allow for a focus on the developing of the brain.

It's good to see that someone has at least half a brain in this thread.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 09:50:09 2011 No.3574018 >>3574012 Yes, it says that neonatal humans and neonatal neanderthals have nearly indistinguishable brain structure, but that the adults are markedly different. I don't understand why you would think that supports your point.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 09:54:09 2011 No.3574030 >>3574017 >only because we were able to survive long enough for our intelligence to take precedence, and allow for a focus on the developing of the brain. [citation needed]

Painful Elegy Tue Aug 16 09:54:09 2011 No.3574031

>>3574018

It tells us the reason the two are markedly different is because the brain needs to be developed for "higher-order social, emotional, and communication functions" which are not necessary in a hunter gatherer society, but are necessary in larger civilizations.

Again, learn some deductive reasoning. I shouldn't have to break down an article written at a 10th grade level to someone on a FUCKING SCIENCE FORUM.

>>	Painful Elegy Tue Aug 16 09:56:09 2011 No.3574037 >>3574030 http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201003/how-did-general-intelligenc e-evolve

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 09:57:09 2011 No.3574042 >>3574031 So in other words, they were very different, which is the opposite of what you were claiming earlier. I guess it's cool that even when you change your position, you can still call the person who changed your mind stupid.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 09:58:09 2011 No.3574050 >>3574017 >interconnections are the only significant differences Seems like that's a pretty big difference, bro.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 10:10:09 2011 No.3574085

This topic, although highly interesting, is fucking chaotic. Moot, dude, make some changes to this format so that replies follow some sort of hierarchical structure. This is very necessary on /sci/ to have a logical debate, though totally unnecessary on the rest of the site.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 10:14:09 2011 No.3574092 >>3574085 Just get a greasemonkey script. Makes the refer3ences easier to follow

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 12:07:09 2011 No.3574549 >>3574092 Do you have a screen shot of what that script would look like Yea I know, i should lrn2google

>>	Blackman Tue Aug 16 12:10:09 2011 No.3574566 This thread is relevant to my interests

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 12:18:09 2011 No.3574609 >>3574092 Link to the script?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 12:19:09 2011 No.3574615 >>3574609 i think you need to have some knowledge of java to even use it

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 12:41:09 2011 No.3574681

>>3574085
I was trying to read this topic, but it's just one big soup of replies.
Srsly, there are simple blog formats where you can follow the replies to someone who started a specific point. This would be very useful on /sci/, where there are more logical debates.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 12:44:09 2011 No.3574694 >>3574615 I hope you mean JavaScript

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 12:45:09 2011 No.3574695 >>3574681 agreed

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 12:46:09 2011 No.3574703 Wouldn't the point of cloning it be to see how it would act/speak? I'd rather it not speak/act as we do.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 13:03:09 2011 No.3574785 File: 6 KB, 168x112, 7425997-tough-man-with-sunglasses.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3574681 This is 4chan, baby. You either get with it, or you get out.

>>	Painful Elegy Tue Aug 16 14:06:09 2011 No.3575094 >>3574050 Maybe if you were able to follow, you'd recognize that the changes in interconnections come from the evolution of the species as a whole from a Hunter Gatherer to an Agrarian society. Again, Learn2logic.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 15:06:09 2011 No.3575526 >>3574703 it certainly would be something interesting to study but i doubt it would be the main purpose of bringing them back.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 15:33:09 2011 No.3575694 >>3574609 http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/108985 takes a second to install, doesn't need a reboot. Works right off with Chrome. You need the plugin for Firefox. >amnotsureynoonespeaksofit

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 16 18:04:09 2011 No.3576549 >>3575694 late reply, but thanks

>>	Blackman Tue Aug 16 18:06:09 2011 No.3576555 >>3576549 For the love of science, stop bumping this thread.

Anonymous Tue Aug 16 18:11:09 2011 No.3576571

>>3572506
neandderthals are just people that lived to be over 9000 years. ever see an old person age? imagine that goes on for another over 9000 years. ta da, neanderthals.

love that you evolutionfags think that we're somehow smarter than they were though

>>	Blackman Tue Aug 16 18:16:09 2011 No.3576599 File: 42 KB, 200x200, 1313301865388.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3576571 Okay.

>>	Blackman Tue Aug 16 18:17:09 2011 No.3576601

The kid. Tue Aug 16 18:20:09 2011 No.3576615

Well... we could possibly do that. But the only benefit would be from creating a type of workforce and that's just slavery covered by genetic expermination.

On the other hand we could do it to restore their race and help them become a part of the planet once again. But they'd more than likely go mad at what is currently everyday society.

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