/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.3549564]

So /sci/, who's up for discussing the Big Bang?

My main question is if all the matter (and anti-matter) in the universe was created from a single point, how did that all of that get condensed down to one single point to begin with? Also, what are your ideas on how this little "universe nugget" get into our universe? From another dimension? Destruction of a previous universe?

Discuss.

PS, I'm an open-minded Christianfag.

[Anonymous No.3549569]

>PS, I'm an open-minded Christianfag.

[Anonymous No.3549572]

>>3549564
>the universe was created from a single point
Uhhh..the universe 'formed' - it wasn't created because that implies a creator....why would you say something so...?

> PS, I'm an open-minded Christianfag.

Ahhh right. Gotcha. Carry on then.

p.s. pick one.
>openminded
>christian

[Anonymous No.3549578]

Don't know i just can't accept the fact that there was nothing before, my mind can't imagine that.

I think there was something before, maybe a died out universe that died out and reduced to the size of one atom, and than the big bang occured.

I think everything goes in a circle (time, space) and that after the end comes the begining and so on

[Anonymous No.3549584]

>>3549564
>My main question is if all the matter (and anti-matter) in the universe was created from a single point

This is a common misconception. The Big Bang was not an explosion of a nugget of matter in space. It was a rapid expansion of all space, everywhere, and that space had a high energy density initially. There is no center or edge of the universe.

[sage No.3549585]

>>3549564
>PS, I'm an open-minded Christianfag.

Okay.

[sage No.3549599]

>>3549578
Your tiny electrochemical meat computer doesn't have to be able to understand it.
You only have to understand that it's fact.

[Anonymous No.3549615]

>>3549585

why are so retarded? Is there something wrong in being a christian? Why would you sage thread because of that?

Anon obviously acknowledges science and isn't a blind crusader.
Christianity isn't about the bible, the book of genesis, and the other fairy tales bout how the world was created and the existance of god.

Christianity is about the "message of jesus" that is contained in the new testamony which pretty much says, to live your life and let other live, live in peace and strive to attain piece, help others and not want anything in return.
Also it teaches you to control your vices and controling your urges (acting like a human, other than an animal which gives in to any urge it has), and giving up on small guilty pleasures which are great at the moment but in the long run will make you regreat them.

I don't see nothing wrong with that.

[Anonymous No.3549618]

>>3549599
We don't know anything about "before" the Big Bang. Claiming there was "nothing" is a mistake.

[sage No.3549623]

>>3549615
Okay.

[sage No.3549626]

>>3549618
There was no "before" the big bang looking at it from our physical approach.
I don't know what you thought I was implying.

>>3549615
Morality is subjective. Please, take your preaching away from this board.

[Anonymous No.3549629]

>>3549623

it's okay, that you have no self control in your life, and will forever in all aspects of your life be mediocre.

[Anonymous No.3549631]

>>3549615
>double negative
>confirmed for open minded christianfag

[Anonymous No.3549632]

>>3549564

It might have started from one Brane slapping another... see M-theory.. and if the Big Bangers go apeshit from me saying this, just take it with a grain of salt.

[sage No.3549633]

>>3549629
I have enough self-control to think for myself and not succumb to your metaphysical bullshit.

[Anonymous No.3549634]

>>3549631

double negative is sometime emphatic... confirmed for Grammar Nazi..... Shall we roll the dice for Asspie???

[Anonymous No.3549639]

>>3549615
Apologetic revisionism but Okay.

[Anonymous No.3549642]

>>3549639

okay

[sage No.3549648]

>>3549634
lolol shall we roll the dice for intelligence quotient?

[Anonymous No.3549649]

>>3549626

No one said morality

If u see a chocolate bar and eat it because it's tasty, and then you eat it whenever you have the chance to do so without thinking about the consequences, you will after a while end up fat.
But if say no i will control myself and not give in to my urges to eat this tasty chocolade you will suffer at that moment, but in the long run you will achieve self improvement.

This is just a stupid example but it applies to a lot of things in life


And once again go sage your dragon dildo and work your anus with it faggot

[sage No.3549651]

>>3549629
>it's okay, that you have no self control in your life, and will forever in all aspects of your life be mediocre.

Okay.

[Anonymous No.3549655]

>>3549634
>>3549634

[Anonymous No.3549659]

>>3549648

thinking yours is bigger than mine... might be a mistake.

[sage No.3549660]

>>3549649
Stop it with the bumping of this lame thread with your lame analogies to life, which, by the way should not be taken so seriously as you obviously do.

[Bumping for Mithras No.3549666]

BUMP!

[Anonymous No.3549667]

>>3549649
From your articulate response, I guess you're the same faggot who post race threads. When will you join the Templars with Brevisk?

>Christianity isn't about the bible
>Christianity is about the "message of jesus" that is contained in the new testamony

Fucking cognitive dissonance

but Okay.

[Anonymous No.3549670]

I'll bite.

The universe originated from a single point. At extremely small scales, there are "random" fluctuations in matter, energy, even the fabric of space time. At extremely small scales, shit doesn't make a lot of sense - things happen, apparently, for no reason at all. If you look at a region of empty space, a vacuum, what you'd see is matter appearing, and dissipating, and energy being "created" and vanishing again all at incredibly small time intervals. The average state of the empty space would be no matter, and no energy, but that doesn't mean nothing is there. So the most simple explanation of the big bang is that these fluctuations caused a huge amount of matter and energy to appear, as well as their negative counterparts - gravity opposing energy, and antimatter opposing matter. This occurred in such a way that the universe born, just like the nothing it came from, has 0 total energy. How did this happen? What came before? We don't know. It could be that there WASN'T anything before. It could be that this process is actually a cycle of some kind that we don't have the means to observe at this time. Some scientists think that black holes with charge and spin essentially have massively powerful particles moving in beams which collide with ridiculous energy, and that the results of those collisions could create a "bubble" which separates from our reality and goes on to create a new "universe." It could also be that once the universe expands to the point that matter is too spread out to even form atoms or molecules that the process of "empty space" expanding could potentially occur again. But again, we don't know, exactly, because it's beyond our capacity to observe. We may never know, but it doesn't stop us from trying to figure it out. It's a bit like trying to figure out what's outside your house, without being able to leave. You can see it, measure it, observe it, but for everything you see, there's a lot that you will NEVER see.

[Anonymous No.3549682]

>>3549667

Your wife will always cheat on you with men

[Anonymous No.3549689]

you guys seems clever. so go way, way back to the beginning, and tell me how the very first atoms materialized out of the empty void from nothing with no guiding force or variables, and why at that moment in time?. i'm interested.

explain it to me so i understand.

[Anonymous No.3549691]

>>3549689
>obviously does not understand

[sage No.3549692]

>>3549689
>On /sci/
>doesn't know how universe can come from nothing
>2011
Okay.

[Anonymous No.3549693]

This is a good video that I just finished about the Kalam Cosmological argument and several ideas about cosmology. It's against the argument though. You can see the papers she cites so you can look them up if you want further information:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baZUCc5m8sE&feature=player_embedded

[Anonymous No.3549697]

>>3549667

by the bible i meant the old testimony, and the stories made by the jewish religion fanatics.

It's all bout the new testimony and the things i wrote.


It is like the ending of Saving Private Ryan, when Tom Hanks is dying and says to Ryan: You earn this you here me!

[Anonymous No.3549698]

>>3549689
Energy didn't materialize.
It either came from somewhere else, or was already there.

[Anonymous No.3549701]

>>3549697
Okay.

[Anonymous No.3549702]

>>3549689

If you want a Teleological explanation.... you will get none.
I

[Astronomous No.3549704]

holy fuck no one's actually answered the question!

Well lemme do my best!

There are many different opinion as to what was there before the "big bang", but the most plausible (in my opinion) that a super-massive black hole "died", firing off a ridiculously large amounts of energy and mass. which form our universe. Now, the OBSERVABLE universe is approximately 13.7 billion light years but space itself is infinite. There is no end to it. That means that outside of our cluster of matter there could be more matter, another galactic cluster, or just nothing. Either way it stands to reason that we are not the product of a spontaneous expulsion of mass and energy, rather the recycling of that mass and energy. Thinking in terms of time as we measure it, the universe itself (infinite space and all that it contains) could be wayyyyy older than 13.7 billion years. It could be infinitely old, with no beginning or end, for all we know.

[Bumped for Astaroth No.3549707]

>>3549704

I like it! But I'm still holding out for some version of the Steady State, until they pry it from my dead, cold hands!

[Anonymous No.3549708]

>>3549704

tl;dr

suck on my ever expanding cock

[Anonymous No.3549710]

>>3549691
>>3549692
helpful

>>3549698
>It either came from somewhere else, or was already there.

where did the first energy come from? how was there nothing and then from that nothing came something? as far as i know. nothing + nothing does not = an entire universe.

if we made a vacum room in a lab and kept it at -455F and monitored it for eternity and didn't touch it or do anything or add anything. would a universe spring into existence in there one day?

[Anonymous No.3549713]

>>3549710
Assuming infinite time, all possible quantum states are mandatory. So yes, if it's possible for a universe to be born from empty space.

[Anonymous No.3549714]

>>3549710

it came from the universe that existed before the big bang.

[sage No.3549716]

>>3549710
>as far as i know. nothing + nothing does not = an entire universe.

You're wrong. lrn2quantumphysics

[Anonymous No.3549717]

>>3549704
It has an end.
When entropy approaches infinity and matter has ceased to exist; only free photons left; the photons themselves apparently scale in energy level harmonically until time seems to stop.
I don't have a clue weather or not time actually does stop but experiments with the electromagnetic end of time here have shown it to indeed have an end.

[Astronomous No.3549720]

>>3549717

Right but the "space" will still exist, regardless of whats in it... well you could say "exist"

[Anonymous No.3549722]

Islam is not about Allah, Quran or Haddith. It's about justice, peace, and reform.

Hinduism is not about Vedas, Upanishads, Gita. It's about justice, peace, change and reform.

Buddhism is not about Karma, Reincarnation, Maitreya. It's about skepticism, justice, peace and reform.

lrn2revisionist

[Anonymous No.3549728]

>>3549720
Well the theory I was explaining was the big rip and apparently space itself rips apart as if the Planck length increases in size or some shit.

[Anonymous No.3549734]

I don't understand one thing. This is /sci/ you guys are suppose to be smart or something, but aren't able to identify a thread like this as a troll?
/sci/ is by far the easiest board to troll, so easy to the point it isn't even fun

I guess you aren't very smart you just read a lot of science

[Anonymous No.3549738]

>>3549716
>implying we didn't accomplish anything in this thread except kick some open-minded christianfag ass

[Anonymous No.3549739]

>>3549734
Okay.

[Anonymous No.3549741]

>>3549734
We meet a lot of retarded religious people, it's not very hard to imagine people like OP exists. But you're right, that's why we need Okay.

[Anonymous No.3549745]

>>3549738

an epic victory for /sci/
Still not a single interesting post

[Anonymous No.3549750]

If order for the Big Bang to happen, it would need lots of explosives.

[Anonymous No.3549751]

>>3549717
>implying >>3549745 wasn't interesting

[Anonymous No.3549756]

>>3549714
>it came from the universe that existed before the big bang.

where did that one come from? and if that one came from another one .. where did the very first universe come from?

>>3549713
>Assuming infinite time...

if there was an infinite amount of time and an infinite amount of events leading to this point in time, we would never have reached this point in time, because an infinite has no beginning or end. the fact that we exist in the present means that time is finite and the universe and time itself had a beginning.

[Anonymous No.3549759]

>>3549751
>implying derp everywhere including that

[Anonymous No.3549769]

>>3549756

> if there was an infinite amount of time and an infinite amount of events leading to this point in time, we would never have reached this point in time, because an infinite has no beginning or end. the fact that we exist in the present means that time is finite and the universe and time itself had a beginning.

strong logical reasoning, but view time as a circle, it has no beginning nor end but it has it still has it's lenght

[Anonymous No.3549773]

amazing how you people think you have answers that the greatest scientific minds in the world don't have.

what was before the big bang?

the correct answer is ... we don't know and we will never know.

[Anonymous No.3549779]

>>3549773
This. This post is rational, and I approve.

Not even samefag.

[Anonymous No.3549781]

>>3549773

strong inferiority complex

There is no reason why any of the possible answers in this thread aren't true

[Anonymous No.3549782]

>>3549773
Looks like you're the naïve one here, bud.

[Anonymous No.3549785]

>>3549773
"Knowing" is far from theorizing.

[Anonymous No.3549788]

>>3549782
>>3549781
>implying it is possible to know what occurred before the Big Bang from empirical evidence

He's right.

[Anonymous No.3549793]

>>3549788

knowing exactly what happened and gathering touchable evidence might not be possible, but that doesn't mean that the exact truth isn't one of the above stated possibilities

[Anonymous No.3549798]

>>3549788
>>3549773

this is where the word God comes in to he equation.
You know realize christ fags were right in their wrong

[Anonymous No.3549800]

>>3549798
Thousands of religion, tens and hundreds of pantheistic, monotheistic, deistic religions, and I choooooooose christianity.

I so smart.

[Anonymous No.3549807]

>>3549793
The entire POINT is that no claim about "before" the Big Bang is falsifiable.

[Anonymous No.3549812]

I think whatever truth may be, humanity lays its hope on the combined efforts of basement dwelling neckbeards from /sci/.

The real question is, why haven't you guys an hero already?

[Anonymous No.3549823]

>>3549564
>open-minded
>Christianfag

[Anonymous No.3549825]

>>3549564
This is what I think about your shitty beliefs

[Anonymous No.3549827]

>>3549781
>>3549782
>>3549785
>>3549793
how can you call yourselves men of science and bash religious people for having faith in that they cannot prove. then you do exactly the same thing. you are all so certain in that which you have no way of ever proving. science by definition is the study of the testable physical world around us. we think up a hypothesis, and we physically test it to see if it is true or not. there is no way we can ever know or test for what was before the big bang, but we can theorize. in that respect, the idea that God created the universe and put everything in motion is just as valid as any of the ideas you guys are coming up with. there is no proof for any of it. it is literally impossible to test for. so in the end, its all just speculation.

[Anonymous No.3549848]

>>3549827

yes just that you have missed that i who posted these posts:

>>3549781
>>3549793

am the one who posted these posts:

>>3549697
>>3549649
>>3549615

[Anonymous No.3549859]

>>3549825
i see that your non-belief has turned you into a well adjusted and tolerant human being. its nice to see a person who doesn't believe in a higher power who has managed to retain some sort of moral compass and isn't a narcissistic know-it-all internet warrior who thinks everyone else is inferior to him ....

[Anonymous No.3549863]

OP, they invented the lie about the small singularity for people to intuitively jump over the chasm of something from nothing.

it's easier to think of nothing, then a small tiny dense point, than it would be to think of nothing, then a gigantic ball containing all of the known mass and energy of the entire universe

they spoon feed it to kids and laugh when they believe it.

don't believe it.

[Anonymous No.3549868]

>>3549848
my bad brah. but my point still stands for the others in this thread and board.

[Anonymous No.3549877]

>>3549564
>christian

[Anonymous No.3549891]

>>3549564

[Anonymous No.3549892]

>>3549877
>2.35%
LMAO

inb4 "durr ad populum fail"

throwing latin words about doesn't make you clever.

u mad?

[Anonymous No.3549896]

>>3549859
Okay.

[Anonymous No.3549899]

>>3549877
>>3549891
see
>>3549859

[Anonymous No.3549904]

>>3549899
see
>>3549896

[Anonymous No.3549905]

>>3549564
>Christian

wtf, why would you say such a horrible thing?

[Anonymous No.3549935]

>>3549896
Jesus loves you!

[Anonymous No.3549944]

>>3549935
Okay.

[Anonymous No.3549947]

>>3549564
Atheist OP pretends to be christian, to start a christian hate thread.

Great Job OP!

[Anonymous No.3549970]

>>3549947
Okay.

[Anonymous No.3549981]

>>3549935
Why does Jesus fuck little children?

[Anonymous No.3550012]

>>3549564
>christian

Why?

[Anonymous No.3550020]

>>3549935
>Jesus loves you
Okay.

[Anonymous No.3550021]

>>3549981
lol you're thinking of mohammad, not Jesus

[Anonymous No.3550036]

>>3550021
>implying mohammad story wasn't a lie
Islam not about Quran or Haddith but the message of Mohammad which has been corrupted. All praise to Mohammad.

lrn2berevisionist

[Anonymous No.3550057]

>>3550021
Jesus fucks little boys. He cums in their ass, then eats the frothy brew of cum and shit. All praise the shit swallower!

[Anonymous No.3550079]

>>3550057
oh, see, you're confused; it's mohammad that had the 6 year old wife. Jesus was never married and died a virgin.

could so see where you got off track though; mohammad probably did eat a lot of shit in his lifetime

[Anonymous No.3550103]

>>3550079
see
>>3550036

And I say this again, follow your leader. Hate the women and die a virgin. Okay.

[Anonymous No.3550107]

>>3550079
>>3550057
Jesus and Mohammad were butt-buddies.

[Anonymous No.3550112]

>>3550103
everyone follows their leader

my leader went to Heaven, and is in Heaven now

where is your leader going? where is he now?

[Anonymous No.3550144]

>>3550112
It's really pathetic you feel the need of some afterlife heaven. I guess that's what religion do to people, paint the universe dull and tell that nothing can be fixed. Must be very motivating, christfag.

But you know? You're right. You win.
Christians: +666
Muslims: +72
Jews: +6million IQ
Hindus: +69
Atheist: -9000

Okay.

[Anonymous No.3550162]

>>3550144
world. world broke. Jesus. Jesus fix world. world all better. Heaven everything you want.

but you'll be in Hell because you denied that Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and that He was raised from the dead.

so, so stupid to be the smartest person in Hell.

[Anonymous No.3550169]

>>discuss about universe

>>christfag

sure this is working

[Anonymous No.3550173]

>>3550162
Okay.

[Anonymous No.3550222]

>>3550169
seeing as how Jesus Christ created the universe, i'd say He has a pretty big part when discussing it

[Anonymous No.3550230]

>>3549892

>Categories for both Atheist and Non-religious

>>3549564

The only thing we can say for certain is that at first there was derp. Then derp happened so derp got derp'd, then 13.7 billion years probably went by, and we're here. Got it?

>>3549564

[Anonymous No.3550232]

>>3550222
Okay.

[Anonymous No.3550242]

Your question is already loaded because you're saying that the content of the universe existed before the universe existed. The extremely short answer is that since the laws of physics as we are familiar with them did not exist until after the big bang, it is nonsensical to ask about what happened before as there was no familiar notion of causality. Therefore, your question is the same as "how much herp would a herp derp derp if a" etc. :P

[Anonymous No.3550255]

>>3550232
so you'll ask Jesus to forgive you of your sins now?

[Anonymous No.3550270]

>>3550255
>so you'll ask Jesus to forgive you of your sins now?
Okay.

[Anonymous No.3550280]

>>3550270
and we'll meet up in heaven and be /b/ros forever?

[Anonymous No.3550299]

>>3550242
not much for laws if they come and go as they please, now, are they

[Anonymous No.3550303]

>>3550280
Yes, together forever. Okay.

[Anonymous No.3550327]

>>3550303
you wanna have a mansion real close so we can hang out at each other's mansion and do cool heaven stuff?

[Anonymous No.3550355]

>>3550327
Would be much better if the mansions were just next to Jesus's. We'll sit on the heavenly floors and listen to the stories of his adventures on Earth

but Okay.

[Anonymous No.3550384]

>>3550355
pfff, fuck that, imma gonna surf some event horizons. i already read about that other stuff