/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.3503014]

[Anonymous No.3503026]

That just about sums it up.

[Anonymous No.3503028]

lol its funny because he doesn't have many teeth
flouride: 1
david dees: 0

[Anonymous No.3503109]

the amounts of fluoride that people want to introduce into water is FAR from even causing harm, let alone death

[Anonymous No.3503123]

>>3503109
Yes, but conspiracy theories, common sense and gut feeling!!!

You can't ignore all that!

[Anonymous No.3503133]

>>3503123
but tides, moon, how'd it get there?

you can't explain that!

[Anonymous No.3503170]

>>3503133
Its magic, I ain't gotta explain shit!

[Krakengineer !!5XY+x7grkpt No.3503218]

I had a fat drunk guy who looked a lot like that start ranting at me about fluoride in the water a month ago.

He said he wants "me" to stop putting fluoride in his water as if I was personally responsible, then threatened violence against me if I ignored him.

[Anonymous No.3503253]

Yeah, because getting rid of an industrial byproduct by putting it into the water supply makes perfect sense, especially when the only evidence of benefits from fluorides are in topical applications and not from ingestion.

But, hey, whatevs. Wouldn't want you to have to question your society or anything.

[Anonymous No.3503346]

>>3503253
Yeah, because getting rid of a pulp made by crushing insects by putting it into candy and other comestibles makes perfect sense, especially when the only evidence of benefits from cochineal are in visual applications and not from taste.

Yeah, because getting rid of an industrial byproduct by putting it into armor piercing rounds makes perfect sense, especially when the only evidence of benefits from uranides are in power production applications and not from martial.

Yeah, because getting rid of an industrial raw material by putting it into the water supply makes perfect sense, especially when the only evidence of benefits from chlorines are in antibacterial applications and not from ingestion.

Yeah, because getting rid of an evaporation byproduct by putting it into the food supply makes perfect sense, especially when the only evidence of benefits from salts are in topical applications and not from ingestion.

[Anonymous No.3503360]

>>3503346
>I can switch words without regard to the content of the sentence and it will make me look smart!

[Anonymous No.3503365]

>>3503346
small nitpick, ingesting salt is actually a good thing, in moderation.

[Anonymous No.3503373]

>>3503218
You should have told him that they also put fluoride in bottled water

[Anonymous No.3503377]

>>3503253
its the water in your mouth passing your teeth.

http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9927595

this is the Medical Safety Data Sheet for Sodium Fluoride.

After doing a little, and by little I mean google and shit, there is no way of sodium fluoride (in the desired amounts to be added to water) to be harmful to a human via ingestion.

you all are bunch of fucking idiots

[Anonymous No.3503388]

>>3503253
topical? bitch if you will please read
>>3503377
it clearly fucking says that it is corrosive and an irritant on skin.

[Anonymous No.3503400]

>>3503388

>(in the desired amounts to be added to water)

Are you incapable of reading?

[Anonymous No.3503405]

>>3503365
So is using DU in anti-armor rounds, along with chlorine in water, food coloring.

In moderation.

Just like water fluoridation. Which is my point.

>>3503360
No, instead
>I can switch words to show you how stupid your comment was.

But I realize I'm on 4chan where logic and posts rarely intersect. Pic related.

[Anonymous No.3503406]

>>3503388
topical to teeth, dumbass. FFS

>>3503377
yeah, cuz never in all of history has it turned out that industrial waste was actually bad to ingest.

[Anonymous No.3503407]

>>3503400
the amount that people want to add to water, is and will not harm humans in any way.

please learn to fucking read

[Anonymous No.3503413]

>>3503406
just because its called "waste" does not mean it is actually bad.

lets see, would you like 1 mol of sodium fluoride attained from a factory or one mol of sodium fluoride attained from sifting through dog shit?

it doesn't matter where it comes from.

[Anonymous No.3503424]

>>3503413
>just because its called "waste" does not mean it is actually bad.

Holy shit you're easy. "Hey guys, I don't mind drinking your waste products! It might not be bad!"

[Anonymous No.3503429]

>>3503413
and then I was like "I'll sift though shit to get some teeth cleaner

[Anonymous No.3503434]

>>3503424
Oxygen is plant waste

[Anonymous No.3503437]

>>3503424
you're mixing two words, waste is the end result of a process.

lets see, lets start a fire, the waste product is Carbon Dioxide, well thats good for plants.

just because its waste does not mean it can't be used for something else.

[Anonymous No.3503441]

>>3503405
all you succeeded in doing was showing how stupid you are. using DU in rounds is terrible idea, chlorine is bad to ingest.

[Anonymous No.3503449]

>>3503424
>might not be bad

its not, we know its not, there isn't a "might" anywhere, there is no risk to be taken.

If you're ingesting the water laced with fluoride, you'll die of Dihydrogen Monoxide poisoning before you die for Sodium Fluoride poisoning.

[Anonymous No.3503452]

>>3503441
how about you ingest some of my bullets in your face?

[Anonymous No.3503463]

>>3503424
Did you know that every time you go into the sea, you're potentially swimming in:
-nuclear waste, there is uranium and other radioactives in sea water
-riches, there is gold and platinum in seawater
-nuclear fuel, there's deuterium in seawater
-liquefied corpses, there's rotted everything in seawater

Most of these also apply to fresh water.

Also, did you know that most food you eat is actually from degenerate, incestuously interbred lifeforms?

[Anonymous No.3503492]

>>3503441
DU rounds are an incredible idea. They kill the enemy more efficiently than other comparable munitions.

Chlorine in the concentrations that are used are harmful enough for microbial life while being harmless to humans.

I visited LA in -97 and the tapwater tasted as chlorinated as the water in public pools. It was still harmless.

[Anonymous No.3503511]

>>3503492
I remember a war story my staff sergeant told us how he was sitting behind an APC while it was firing on a building, through the shallow corner of the APC a bullet flew through the metal, the liquid metal from the APC armor and the bullet splattered all over his CO's left shoulder as he was aiming around that very corner and gave him 1st degree burns.

talk about AP rounds.

[Anonymous No.3503593]

what are you guys talking about, there's been fluoride in our drinking water for over half a century

[Anonymous No.3503640]

ATTENTION: Anti conspiracy theorist government worker faggots are abundant in this thread.

[Anonymous No.3503644]

>>3503640
what conspiracy is going on here? I already proved the fluoride in the water put in by people now is no where near harmful levels

[Anonymous No.3503659]

[Anonymous No.3503664]

>>3503659
Pfft, thats something the conspiracy *WOULD* say

[Anonymous No.3503671]

>>3503492 I visited LA in -97 and the tapwater tasted as chlorinated as the water in public pools.

Bullshit. What neighborhood/city, might I ask. I've spent many parts of my life on different areas of LA, but always in parts of Los Angeles itself. The water is alkaline and a little bit hard, but that's it. The quality of pipes in your house matter the most here. Maybe you were on the water system of a different municipality?

[Anonymous No.3503675]

>>3503644
Ha. you government guys are funny.

Refute this, faggot.
http://www.fluoridealert.org/fluoride-dangers/health/pineal/index.aspx

[Anonymous No.3503682]

>>3503671
Oh, and pH = 8 where I am right now, in case anyone is curious..

[Anonymous No.3503710]

>>3503675
none of those articles gives any sort of amount of how much fluoride is being ingested, where its coming from and what not. This fluoride could be coming from anywhere, toothpaste deposites, fluoroapatite decay and so on. it doesn't suggest any sort of studies and competing studies that suggest how the depression is coming on, the depression could also be coming fro multiple places.

[Anonymous No.3503711]

>>3503659
HOLY SHIT!
That's a hyacinth macaw.
Why is that a hyacint macaw?

[Anonymous No.3503733]

>>3503671
Checked with my sister(whom I was visiting at the time), it was either Anaheim or Orange county.

Used to clean water as I was, I took to using bottled water when I was brushing my teeth.

[Anonymous No.3503737]

>>3503253

>industrial byproduct

Not relevant. Its emotional language. What matters is whether its safe or not.

>the only evidence of benefits from fluorides are in topical applications and not from ingestion.

Fail.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation#Effectiveness

>But, hey, whatevs. Wouldn't want you to have to question your society or anything.

Which is exactly what the ideology behind a lot of conspiracy thinking is. Thank you for summing it up, and stating that it is NOT about actual scientific evidence.

[Anonymous No.3503760]

>>3503675

>Ha. you government guys are funny.

You're probably a troll. But it is a common tactic to imply that those critical of your views have an agenda, are close minded, or have a conflict of interest. Its rhetoric. Its not a real argument. It just shows how shallow your position really is.

[Anonymous No.3503767]

>water fluoridation
>rainwater harvesting illegal

hmmm...

[Anonymous No.3503788]

>>3503767
>rainwater harvesting illegal

Is it? I found an organization dedicated to advancing rainwater catching systems.
http://www.arcsa.org/content.asp?pl=21&contentid=21

Would they exist if its illegal? I don't know, I'll keep searching.

[Anonymous No.3503795]

>>3503760
>It just shows how shallow your position really is.

And yet you can't show me evidence of water fluoridation being harmless. Show me the numbers, faggot.

[Anonymous No.3503806]

>>3503795

Already linked to the wiki page, like a while ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation#Safety

If you really want, I can work though each study if you want.

[Anonymous No.3503809]

>>3503788
lol.

http://www.sovereignindependent.com/?p=6481

[Anonymous No.3503827]

>>3503809
>http://www.sovereignindependent.com/?p=6481

>by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger

Oh great. The guy who thinks AIDS, 9/11 and everything else is a conspiracy and recently made an indie online doc bashing science.

I'm suspecting he's making a mountain out of a mole hill. He cites a single news story in Utah. Is this the case in the entire United States?

[Anonymous No.3503829]

Fact:
The city of Vancouver does not fluoridate the water.

[Anonymous No.3503834]

>>3503829

>The city of Vancouver does not fluoridate the water.

Other cities don't either. Mostly because of polls or votes. Because most people are idiots.

[Anonymous No.3503838]

>>3503806

>no mention of pineal gland calcification.

lol

[Anonymous No.3503842]

>>3503795
DO SOME MOTHERFUCKIN MATH YOU FUCKING SHITTY ASS PICKLEDICK FAGGOT

IT SAYS IN THE PDF THAT THIS BRO POSTED HERE>>3503377 THAT FLUORIDE IS BAD AT 52 mg/kg WHERE THE MOTHERFUCKIN AMOUNT OF FLUORIDE PEOPLE WANT TO PUT IN IS 1 mg/kg OF MOTHERFUCKIN WATER

[Anonymous No.3503845]

>>3503827

Also, the car wash that was collecting water worked out a compromise with the state in the end. So its really just this minor legal hurdle. Some paper work. Cities and states have this for practically everything if you want to do anything.

So he did collect the rainwater. So how is it illegal?
>>3503838

[Anonymous No.3503854]

>>3503842

>implying that amount of fluoride has no effect on the pineal gland

[Anonymous No.3503867]

>>3503854
no one gave any evidence for the amount of fluoride was required to hurting the gland

[Anonymous No.3503873]

>>3503838
>>3503854

>pineal gland nonsense.

Ugh.

[Anonymous No.3503881]

>>3503867
>I killed myself because I was so depressed, but at least I died with good looking teeth

[Anonymous No.3503884]

>>3503845
not him, but:
http://www.mindfully.org/Water/2009/Rainwater-Harvesting-Illegal18mar09.htm

Makes sense when you think about how the aquifers are going down like an elevator in large parts of the US.

Sure, a few people won't have much of an effect, but if even ten percent of homeowners got in on it?

Though if some of those laws predate the Dust Bowl, I gotta wonder what the logic behind them was in that time.

[Anonymous No.3503893]

>>3503884
I guess it was to prevent farmers from taking water that the plants needed in an effort to prevent a dust bowl?


idk, play me out paino cat

[Anonymous No.3503926]

>>3503893
>>3503884

But the point is that terminally paranoid Mike Adams is exaggerating this case to make it some sinister conspiracy.


Also check out Mike Adams. He's crazy.
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/09/a_religious_loon_cant_even_wait_until_he.php
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/05/science_is_evil.php

[Anonymous No.3503931]

>>3503867

>nonsense
>scientific evidence

Pick one.

[Anonymous No.3503941]

>>3503931
>>3503873
>>3503873

[Anonymous No.3503973]

Yea, makes perfect sense for the government to jeopardize the health of people in the name of good looking teeth.

[Anonymous No.3503995]

>Calcium, phosphorus and fluoride deposits in the pineal gland have been linked with aging.

omg this must mean it's actually fluoride that causes aging

pro-fluoridation people have killed almost every human being on this planet

[Anonymous No.3504038]

>>3503995
>mfw people blame fluoride alone in the effort to fuel their own agenda instead of actually researching the calcium and phosphorus and fluoride together

theres phosphorus and calcium in your cereal and milk EVERYONE STOP EATING BREAKFAST

[Anonymous No.3504043]

1) NASA didn't have the technology to send a man all the way to the moon AND bring him back alive
2) The solar flares would've fried the spacemen instantly
3) There's a C on one of the pictures of a rock. You'd have to be lying to convince yourself that it's anything other than a stage prop.
4) No stars in any pictures
5) Flag waves, there's no wind on the moon
6) You can't make footprints in a vacuum.

[Anonymous No.3504049]

>>3504043

Nice attempt at troll copypasta.

[Anonymous No.3504066]

due to conflicting empirical reports, it is questionable whether or not fluroapatite accumulates on the surface of teeth or conveys any beneficial effect upon teeth.

it is demonstrable that hydroxylapatite accumulates on teeth and heals over cracks and pits.

it is also demonstrable that drinking water seeded with high calcium levels also accumulates new depositions on the surface of teeth.

[Anonymous No.3504068]

>>3504038

>MFW water fluoridation doesn't help.

[Anonymous No.3504071]

>>3504043
0/10

[Anonymous No.3504075]

>>3504066
any calciumapatite or hydroxylapatite will be replaced with fluorine because it is more reactive.

[Anonymous No.3504076]

>>3503995
calcium deposits in the pineal gland are natural. fluoride, not so much.

[Anonymous No.3504077]

>>3504068
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.3504090]

>mfw I have had fluorosis on my teeth
>and have a 156 IQ

It certainly doesn't affect brain function.

[Anonymous No.3504086]

>>3504043
yo dawg we heard you like troll threads so we put a troll thread in your troll thread so you can fail troll while you fail troll....

sage.. reported

[Anonymous No.3504092]

>>3504075
i have seen no demonstrable evidence which suggests that brushing with fluoride will heal over pits and cracks by depositing new material on the surface of teeth.

[Anonymous No.3504099]

>>3504076
Gentlemen, present your research papers.

[Anonymous No.3504093]

>implying people that oppose that ever drink water in the first place.

[Anonymous No.3504107]

why do the states keeps there treated water in open reservoirs... seem like it could easily get contaminated out in the open?
water run off from farmland full of pesticides?

[Anonymous No.3504112]

>>3504092
Maybe you should first learn what it's supposed to do, before you say something as stupid as that?

[Anonymous No.3504116]

>>3504092
bush your teeth

Fluoride replaces the apatite with fluoroapatite and makes teeth stronger because of the strong bonds with fluorine.

[Anonymous No.3504121]

>>3504116
also, the fluoride will be in an aqueous form in the water, and if my chemistry is correct, liquids react faster than solids do like toothpaste

[Anonymous No.3504122]

>>3504112
it's supposed to replace existing hydroxylapatite. according to empirical studies, it does not appear to accumulate new growth on the surface of teeth. therefore, fluoride would delay the onset of cavities rather than preventing them.

[Anonymous No.3504125]

>>3504122
but fluorine is more reactive so it replaces it.

[Anonymous No.3504126]

>>3504107
Because it's usually directed through a water treatment plant before getting pumped into the system anyway?

[Anonymous No.3504139]

>>3504126
its not. the store treated water in the open, after being treated.
In Europe there treated water reservoirs are underground.
Is Europe being too safe or america too reckless?

[Anonymous No.3504156]

>MFW the government pays people to dispute conspiracy theorists.
lol
I bet you faggots think marijuana should be illegal too right?

This is your tax money at work people.

[Anonymous No.3504159]

>>3504139
americans brush their teeth with a thyroid suppressing industrial waste.

america has a history of being ludicrously inhumane -but oh look, they have no royals. only a bunch of corporate managerial scum.

[Anonymous No.3504167]

>>3504159
sounds like you've got some hate.

[Anonymous No.3504173]

>>3504159
industrial waste argument again, thats just an emotional word, just because its called waste, doesn't mean its bad

and guess what? you spit that shit out afterword, I've been brushing my teeth since I've had teeth and my thyroid is running fine, just got a radio-iodine test for cancer and turns out I'm at optimum functionality.

[Anonymous No.3504174]

>>3504167
sound like you're in denial

[Anonymous No.3504183]

>>3504156
i believe anything carcinogenic should be either illegal or strictly controlled in use.

[Anonymous No.3504189]

>>3504183
1/10

[Anonymous No.3504200]

man pees in that water supply and they empty a a reservoir.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-13874089

[Anonymous No.3504208]

>>3504156
>MFW the tea party doesn't even pay people to distribute conspiracy theories
lol
I bet you faggots think talking about roswell, grassy knoll and nibiru is more relevant or important than talking about science or politics.

This is your everyday everyman at work people.

[Anonymous No.3504218]

>>3504208
isn't the tea party made up of pagans?

[Anonymous No.3504219]

if it does not serve the wealthy elite to protect the environment at large then the environment at large can go fuck itself.

PROFIT, ftw.

/sarcasm

>>3504189
>>3504173
i see you, troll. we all see you.

[Anonymous No.3504222]

>>3504183
It's gonna be the end of civilization.

Everything is toxic to some degree. The harmfulness of all substances is only down to concentration and dosage.

[Anonymous No.3504238]

>>3504208

How much do you guys get paid anyway?
Also, what does distilled water taste like?

[Anonymous No.3504239]

>>3504183
Absolutely retarded. A market for an item that an individual chooses to use on his or herself should never be illegal. 1) it violates our basic fucking human rights 2) it doesn't reduce demand and shifts profits to criminals who invest it in human trafficking, prostitution, etc

[Anonymous No.3504247]

>>3504239
Oh and lets not forget a major investment of black market drug profits: Bribery.

[Anonymous No.3504258]

>>3504222
to be fair, I don't mind people freely inhaling carcinogenic's but what i do mind is when they come to my hospital complaining about shortness of breath and to expect sympathy from me when i inform them that there 20 day habit has given them cancer.
they should take some responsibility for the shit you but inside there body and have the decency to die at home and save my colleagues from having to watch another slow and painful self inflicted death.

[Anonymous No.3504267]

>>3504258
I can dig that. I'm just saying that so many of our everyday items contain carcinogens.

Say good bye to computers for example.

Actually, almost all electronics.

Unless if you meant carcinogens in human comestibles/potables? Then I'm with you 99%

[Anonymous No.3504268]

>>3504258
The solution is not prohibition. It's education.

[Anonymous No.3504297]

Might as well just stop brushing your teeth as well then.

[Anonymous No.3504305]

>>3504268
I can't agree, I see too many painful deaths and destroyed family's form cigarettes, that the only solution is remove the source.
Some people just don't want to be educated. We have patients still smoking when there on treatment, we have the relatives of those dying smoking.

[Anonymous No.3504589]

>>3504305
Cigarette usage rates have decreased drastically. What you're seeing is the last few generations of smokers who knew nothing about its ills. Now that society knows, very few people smoke.

Aside from the fact that it's not the government's job to tell us how to live our fucking lives as long as we aren't directly harming another person, and no, emotional harm to family does not count if it did then why don't we outlaw any dissent or deviation from family expectations?