/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.3497227]

so i been watching this documentary over the past few days called ancient aliens ...... buncha theoretical stuff about people being descendants of aliens and some other stuff its mostly kinda loose. one of the episodes was about unexplainable structures in the world today, they got to talking about this guy that build a rock garden in florida all by hisself.(i guess?) which is probably a load of crap. but the man did write 2 very short "books" about magnetism and how it really works according to him. name is edward leedskalnin(sp?) the books are called "Magnetic Current" and "Mineral, Vegetable, and Animal Life". having read the books i was just looking for some outside input. something someone might know about the books that isnt implied. anything really. im not really an alien enthusiast or mystical power enthusiast or anything of the sort but i did find this bit interesting, many people really believe this guy used some kind of ancient power to build this garden and he says its the secret of the pyramids?

the books can be found at http://www.leedskalnin.com/LeedskalninsWritings.html


found the series on netflix. my girlfriend likes documentaries O.o

[Anonymous No.3497231]

>pseudoscience
not science or math

[Anonymous No.3497232]

I'm tired of your shit. Have you been brushing your teeth 3 times a day? Drinking 8 glasses of water?

Get back to work

[Anonymous No.3497236]

You called?

[Anonymous No.3497238]

>>3497232
uhm i guess i have? i may have been slipping on the water i dont get it lol

[Anonymous No.3497242]

>>3497232
whats that supposed to mean

[Anonymous No.3497243]

>>3497236
hahaha watching that guys spray tan fade and reappear throughout the episodes was my favorite part.

[Anonymous No.3497248]

Fluoride poisoning guys... he wants you to be docile and not thinking.

[Anonymous No.3497257]

>mfw I took an art history class in college for some extra credits
>mfw my instructor suggested, off the side, that aliens building the pyramids and stargates existing in the past are not that crazy of an idea

[Anonymous No.3497422]

>>3497257
i dont understand

[Anonymous No.3497454]

i feel back for the ancient egyptian engineers
nobody gives them any credit!

[Anonymous No.3497463]

>>3497454
well its not they don't get credit. its just that they completed buildings that would be difficult for man to replicate today. i mean sure we can make pyramids but for them to be of such perfection from so long ago is a little baffling

[Anonymous No.3497524]

>>3497463
not really, just clever engineering and almost unlimited resources.
it's a very carefully placed pile of smoothed stones. we COULD build them today, it would just be very very expensive and nobody really wants to put in the time necessary to plan one

[Anonymous No.3497559]

so nobody here has any input?

[Anonymous No.3497581]

and notice i didnt say we couldnt build them today? i said, and its proven fact, that the pyramids were built to a perfection that would be DIFFICULT for man to replicate today. so its slightly strange that a society that old had the ability to do such things, hence the alien theories ....... the only part i find interesting in the theories is that the tunnels in the pyramids were lined with granite, something not found in the areas inhabited by the egyptians.

[Anonymous No.3497624]

Humans in the past we're much too stupid to stack rock on top of each other in a pyramid shape, was probably aliens.

[Anonymous No.3497643]

>>3497624
Humans in the present are much too stupid to use proper grammar, aliens must have done it.

[Anonymous No.3497653]

You guys all know there's been no significant genetic change in homo sapiens over the past 10,000 years, right? I mean, as far as intelligence goes? The Egyptians were just as inherently smart as we are.

[Anonymous No.3497661]

>>3497643

There's a difference between a typo and a grammar error, because you pointed out a typo as such, this makes you exponentially more retarded.

[Anonymous No.3497662]

>>3497581
they were probably shipped from far away, keep in mind this is a tomb for kings, and granite was probably a big time commodity in egyptian buildings due to how rare it was in the region

[Anonymous No.3497668]

>>3497653

Probably ancient aliens came 10,000 years ago and gave us the smarts.

[Anonymous No.3497672]

>>3497668
...
there is no evidence for this, and there's not even a reason to suspect it. What exactly are you trying to explain?

[Anonymous No.3497675]

>>3497661
Yeah i guess. But that typo involved punctuation...... how do you properly punctuate a typo?

[Anonymous No.3497682]

>>3497653
maybe, but without the technology of ours, it will be fuck difficult to replicate them.

we can't even record data that would last a thousand years much like the egyptians did in stones and walls.

[Anonymous No.3497687]

>>3497653
>implying genetics have any significant impact on intelligence

[Anonymous No.3497690]

>>3497682
uh, that's because all they really had were stones and walls

[Anonymous No.3497693]

>>3497227
"documentary"
>ancient aliens

If you had a stranger that kept calling you to come visit? Would you go?
Allow us to guess you became interested, and decided to drop by his house just to meet this guy. say you got to his house and there were dead bodies and dying people all over the yard and you could hear screaming, and gun shots coming from inside the house.

What would you assume? Would you step over the dead bodies to go in and visit the guy for coffee, or would you run away into the night and hope he didn't notice you?

Look here, no one is coming to visit us, we are selfish murdering ass holes. We as a civilization are the muslims of the universe. If i had a choice i would not live on this fucking planet with you apes.

[Anonymous No.3497696]

> he will use stone to record data in modern times

[Anonymous No.3497697]

>>3497682
>we can't even record data that would last a thousand years much like the egyptians did in stones and walls.
Uh, yes we can. Just just carve it in stone, and bury the stone.

[Anonymous No.3497699]

>>3497662
The difficulty behind cutting and shaping granite suggests otherwise. And why would the egyptians use granite to line the walls of the three pyramids that never had a Pharaoh found in them?

[Anonymous No.3497703]

>>3497699
Obviously there is no reason, and aliens are responsible.

[Anonymous No.3497707]

Be amazed, fags. Aliens must have taught this guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCvx5gSnfW4

[Anonymous No.3497711]

>>3497687
Sure, whether you're a human or chimp is just a matter of environment.

[Anonymous No.3497731]

>>3497697
but that's cheating

[Anonymous No.3497741]

>>3497731
Then the Egyptians cheated.

[Anonymous No.3497761]

>>3497741

[Anonymous No.3497767]

>>3497707
Oh man, ancient aliens fags are so told.

[Anonymous No.3497768]

>>3497682

That's what I keep saying. We COULD do this today, but imagine building the pyramids with primitive tools. Imagine carving the things they did with only a hammer and chisel. This being one of the basic ideas behind Ancient Alien theories, that to our knowledge the Egyptians would not have been able to achieve such perfection in their carvings and architecture with the tools that we believe they used. I mean seriously some of the stones in the base of the pyramid weigh up to 200 tons. That would be difficult for some modern cranes to lift.

>>3497524

You seriously believe that a bunch of men lifted 200 ton stones with nothing but ropes? How thick would a rope have to be to support 200 tons? Even if you used multiple ropes, they would have to be about the size of your thigh. I find it hard to believe that the Egyptians were able to move the stones used in the pyramids let alone stack them as high as they did.

Granted, I don't entirely believe it was aliens, but some lost technology. I think before we start exploring space and looking for aliens, we should learn everything their is to know about our planet first.

[Anonymous No.3497772]

>>3497768
see
>>3497707

[Anonymous No.3497799]

>>3497707
Ok now swap those stones out with ones weighing at 15,30,60 tons. And start stacking them. Show me someone stacking the 50 ton stones similar to Stonehenge or the pyramids using these techniques. You can kick a rock and move it. But if that rock is 50 tons, kicking it doesn't work anymore right?

[Anonymous No.3497826]

>>3497707
Also, find proof that this is how the Egyptians did it. To the day scientists cannot say for sure exactly how the pyramids were built. If it were as simple as this mans techniques, wouldn't scientists have figured that out by now?

[Anonymous No.3497837]

op

still nothing about the original question. does anybody have any more information about the books by ed leedskalnin?

[Anonymous No.3497845]

>>3497826
>Also, find proof that this is how the Egyptians did it.
Irrelevant. It proves that there are ways the Egyptians could have done it, and assuming alien intervention is now incredibly retarded.

[Anonymous No.3497846]

>>3497826
the derp is strong with this one

it doesn't matter if the egyptians did it like that man. it just proves that it is humanly possible.
A SINGLE MAN did it. a civilization with bunch of slaves would take it as a piece of cake.

[Anonymous No.3497847]

Jesus Christ. The pyramids weren't impossible for the Egyptians to make, and the fact that you think they were makes me think you have no fucking idea what you're talking about. Egyptians had math, you fucking retard; the same kind of math that we would use to build a pyramid like those. They weren't stupid. It's not like they were just walking around going "duurrr how do i build a house" making lop sided buildings and shit. They knew what pi was, they knew what the square root of shit was, they knew how to make a perfectly sided pyramid that pointed in the right direction to shit. It's not impossible to duplicate the pyramids. Show me your source for that, you dipshit. Yea, I'm mad. This is a science board, not for highschool basement dwellers who don't know shit about engineering.

[Anonymous No.3497849]

>>3497799
>Show me someone stacking the 50 ton stones similar to Stonehenge or the pyramids using these techniques.
Didn't you watch the video?

[Anonymous No.3497861]

>>3497847
>This is a science board, not for highschool basement dwellers who don't know shit about engineering.
I'm sorry, but this *is* 4chan's science board. I know it sucks.... maybe I should be posting on physicsforums instead.
(I'm not OP, though).

[Anonymous No.3497870]

>>3497799
let's just say that the size of stone is proportional to a man. now remember that egypt also had tons of slaves to do the job

[Anonymous No.3497877]

>see video of one man moving fuckhuge stones
>people still trying to argue for aliens
.... why?

[Anonymous No.3497889]

>Humans stack rocks in particular way to please their God.
>OMG there's no way humans could have done that, it's more likely that aliens traveled thousands of light years to the Earth to show them how to stack rocks.

[Anonymous No.3497899]

>>3497847
>>3497846
>>3497845

Learn to read? Notice the line
"Granted, I don't entirely believe it was aliens, but some lost technology. I think before we start exploring space and looking for aliens, we should learn everything their is to know about our planet first."

Lost technology. We don't have it anymore. Why doesn't anyone understand this? I'm not suggesting aliens did it. I'm suggesting the Egyptians did it with a technology that we do not know about. Again notice the line that says we should learn about our planet first? Their shouldn't be a "Oh, maybe the Egyptians did it like this" statement. I want to know EXACTLY how the Egyptians built the pyramids, which no scientist or historian can say for sure. There is no proof that Egyptians used any technology that we know of today. They MAY have used pulleys and ropes, although unlikely. They MAY have used some other force, i.e. elephants, to pull the stones. But there is no hard proof to point to that either. Their is a bunch of theories about how Egyptians MAY have built the pyramids. But the actual method behind the pyramids remains unknown, even today.

[Anonymous No.3497903]

If this was a troll thread, I'd play along. But the fact that OP is actually this stupid makes me angry. Go away.

[Anonymous No.3497907]

>>3497899
If by "technology we don't know about" you mean things like an especially clever use of rocks, logs, ropes, chains, wheels, ramps, etc., then sure.

I wonder if there's any evidence of them using pulleys.

[Anonymous No.3497921]

>>3497899
>I'm not suggesting aliens did it

For the entire thread up until that thread you were.

[Anonymous No.3497926]

>>3497899
>know about our planet first
>which no scientist or historian can say for sure
you just proved that you're retarded
any evidence of how they did it might be forever lost now. it's enough knowing how to do it. go fuck yourself.

[Anonymous No.3497929]

This thread is now about how fucking clever some of the ancient humans were.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism

[Anonymous No.3497934]

>>3497903
so you got trolled by someone who isnt trolling?

10/10 op for making this guy angry lol

[Anonymous No.3497943]

>>3497929
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damascus_steel

[Anonymous No.3497947]

>>3497899
And I still think you're retarded. Egyptians didn't need a "secret lost technology" you shit for brains. They could've done it themselves with the knowledge and manpower available.

[Anonymous No.3497950]

>>3497903
uhm op just wants to know about ed leeskalnin and his ideas about magnets. not aliens.

[Anonymous No.3497973]

>>3497943
This is the Lycurgus Cup. It looks red when you shine light through it because it contains gold and silver nanoparticles.
http://condensedconcepts.blogspot.com/2011/02/nanotechnology-from-fourth-century-ad.html
http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/highlight_objects/pe_mla/t/the_lycurgus_cup.aspx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lycurgus_Cup

[Anonymous No.3497976]

>2011
>still thinking aliens didn't build the pyramids

[Anonymous No.3497980]

>>3497973
>>3497943
>>3497929
Fuck yes ancient humans.

[Anonymous No.3497987]

Well, there's a raid going on, so now I have to stay in this ancient aliens thread. God damn you /sci/

[Anonymous No.3498011]

>>3497947
You still don't get it? I DO NOT CARE WHETHER IT WAS ALIENS THAT GAVE THEM THE TECHNOLOGY OR WHETHER IT WAS FUCKING MUFASA. I would just like to know how the Egyptians made such structures. FOR SURE. Not some idea about how they MAY have done it. If the world had been full of people that thought like you we would still live in caves. How would anything ever have been discovered if someone had not wondered "How did this happen, and how does it work?". Are questions such as these not the very basis of science? Figuring out how things are done, and how that process works. Again whether I do believe aliens did it or fucking ants built the pyramids is besides the point, I would just like to know exactly how perfection such as the pyramids was achieved at a time so long ago, when whether you like it or not, it would be difficult even with our technology today to replicate the perfection seen in the pyramids. Your simple-minded acceptance of the fact that it just happened shows who is actually retarded.

[Greek as fuck, son No.3498015]

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[Anonymous No.3498027]

>>3498011
Not that guy, but that sounds like an interesting topic.

[Greek as fuck, son !!F+bEfPbwdef No.3498032]

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>>3497987

you mean.....this raid?

>>>/b/344975914

[Anonymous No.3498033]

>>3498011
I never mentioned aliens in any of my posts. I said you're retarded for thinking the Egyptians couldn't have done it with the resources they had. I think you're retarded for assuming Egyptians were little children who didn't know how technology worked. They built the pyramids one stone at a time. There, mystery solved. No mystical powers, no lost technology. They didn't need it.

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[Anonymous No.3498054]

>>3498011

There's a big difference between wanting to know how it was done, and assuming they needed a lost technology to build it. You've already made up your mind that they couldn't have built it on their own, and that's unscientific.

[Greek as fuck, son !!F+bEfPbwdef No.3498056]

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[Anonymous No.3498065]

>>3498033
You still do not understand. I KNOW THE EGYPTIANS BUILT THE PYRAMIDS. THE PYRAMIDS ARE THERE! That is enough proof that the Egyptians built the pyramids. I WANT TO KNOW HOW. If scientists and historians cannot explain 100% how the Egyptians built the pyramids, wouldn't that suggest that they did it using a technique we no longer have knowledge of? I get it. Egyptians build the pyramids. Whether it was one rock at a time or 50 rocks at a time still does not mean anything. I just want to know HOW it was achieved. Why is that so difficult to understand? Is your mind really that small that you can't understand the idea of wanting to know how something was done?

[Greek as fuck, son !!F+bEfPbwdef No.3498068]

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>>3497243
>>3497243
>>3497243
>>3497243

[Greek as fuck, son !!F+bEfPbwdef No.3498072]

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[Anonymous No.3498078]

>>3498068
>>3498068
>>3498068
>>3498068
>>3498068

lol thank you. now. seriously. information about ed leeskalnin. and his books. please.
>>3498068
>>3498068
>>3498068
>>3498068

[Anonymous No.3498080]

>>3498065
>wouldn't that suggest that they did it using a technique we no longer have knowledge of?

No, it just means that there's no evidence that tells us 100% what it was. It could've been any one of a number of things that we know exist.

[Greek as fuck, son !!F+bEfPbwdef No.3498081]

terval Kontivas

[Anonymous No.3498082]

>>3498065
joos builded the pyramids

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[Anonymous No.3498088]

>>3498080
But the point still being, I would like to know that 100%. I would like to know how an ancient civilization did such things. I hold alot of faith in science and what it tells us. But when science cannot explain something for sure, especially something that exists on our planet, I get a little baffled.

[Greek as fuck, son !!F+bEfPbwdef No.3498091]

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[Anonymous No.3498104]

>>3498088
Then go to Egypt and do a little archeology.

[Greek as fuck, son !!F+bEfPbwdef No.3498109]

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[Anonymous No.3498113]

>>3497799
>>3497799
>>3497799

But he did. A single man moved and lifted up a 15ton stone, with mearly a few ropes and wood

think about what an army of slaves that Egyptians had could do

TL;DR You're an idiot and didn't watch all the video

[Greek as fuck, son !!F+bEfPbwdef No.3498116]

>>3498104
>>3498088
>>3498082
>>3498080
>>3498065

dey was sum alliums

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[Anonymous No.3498133]

and how did the thread about a book about magnetism turn into a thread about the ancient aliens documentary? i want to know about the little man that build the coral castle and his ideas on magnetism and any information anyone might have about his writings.

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>>3498133

no, fuck you! u'll get 'ancient aliens guy' and you'll fuckin love it, boy!

[Anonymous No.3498143]

>>3498133
> i want to know about the little man that build the coral castle and his ideas on magnetism and any information anyone might have about his writings.
Oh, THAT is the guy you've been asking about?

He just uses a block and tackle, man.
http://www.alien-ufos.com/ancient-civilizations-archaeology-anthropology/18230-mystery-coral-castle-
edward-leedskalnin-4.html

[Anonymous No.3498147]

aliens dont real

[Anonymous No.3498148]

>>3498143

[Anonymous No.3498149]

>>3498133
Maybe the fact that OP used the ancient aliens pic, and mentioned he got the idea from the documentary. Retard.

[Greek as fuck, son !!F+bEfPbwdef No.3498155]

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>>3498147

aliums doesnt real??? no, fuck you! aliums does real!

[Anonymous No.3498156]

>>3498143
i dont want to know about the coral castle though. i want to know about his books on magnetism and if anyone has any further information on these books. all the websites ive found seem to think that his ideas about magnetism are actually the energy of creation or some shit like that i dunno but i like magnetism. magnetism makes sense. i just want to know about his books

[Greek as fuck, son !!F+bEfPbwdef No.3498160]

>>3498155
>>3498155
>>3498155

[Greek as fuck, son !!F+bEfPbwdef No.3498161]

[Anonymous No.3498163]

>>3498149
uhm i just heard about the guy from the documentary. i looked up his books ABOUT FUCKING MAGNETISM.

[Anonymous No.3498166]

>>3498156
You know he's a hoaxer, and you want to read his crackpot manifestos?

[Anonymous No.3498186]

>>3498156
>>3498163

Go read a science textbook or some papers on magnetism written by a P.H.D.

[Anonymous No.3498187]

>>3498166
uhm crackpot manifestos? theyre about magnetism. and the possibility that it is more than scientists think. i just want to know if anyone knows anything more about this. so hard to ask?

[Anonymous No.3498197]

>>3498187
Right, because magnetism doesn't have a rich history of pseudoscience. What if this "more information" you keep whining about? What the fuck do you want? We're not read up on pseudoscience so go ask elsewhere, faggot.

[Anonymous No.3498227]

aliens dont exist, only humans life on earth exists outa all the billions of planets out there, none of them are suitable for life!


J/k no, anyone who believes this is a fucking moron.

[Anonymous No.3498228]

Magnets! It's always fucking magnets! Why is it so hard to explain what they are, that people constantly feel the need to believe they are something else?

[Anonymous No.3498232]

>>3498227
Ancient aliens =/= life on other planets

[Anonymous No.3498242]

>>3498232


Out of all the planets that could harbor life, one of them would have a far older more advanced race. They could even be nomads, going from planet to planet gathering resources. I'm not saying i agree with everything on ancient aliens, but some of it is plausible.

[Anonymous No.3498245]

>>3498242
Possible, sure. Likely? No.

[Anonymous No.3498259]

>>3498245

Its still plausible, so it should be thought of with an open mind.

[Anonymous No.3498269]

lol I love the commercial for the new season. He says something like "people drew what they saw, they weren't idiots" all while showing ancient gods and murals and bullshit.

I for one think it is wonderful that the history channel is giving employment to the mentally ill.

[Anonymous No.3498270]

>>3498242
Plausible? No.

[Anonymous No.3498290]

>>3498270

Lol okay, you should prolly leave /sci/ if your that close minded.

[Anonymous No.3498307]

>>3498270
What the shit.

[Anonymous No.3498316]

>>3498290
You think it's plausible that aliens from an advanced civilization came to earth and gave our ancient civilizations knowledge and technology? Evidence, please.

[Anonymous No.3498328]

>>3498290
>prolly
>your

What are you, 13?

[Anonymous No.3498334]

>>3498316

Oh its not plausible because you dont accept evidence thats right out in the open. Its cool bro, some people just cant wrap their heads around it.

[Anonymous No.3498347]

>>3498269
>>3498269

i loled

>>3498290

science is not about being open minded to bullshit. When a "theory" brings up more questions than it answers, it should be at least scrutinized properly.

Also, occams razor faggot. You lose.

[Anonymous No.3498353]

>>3498328

Nope, just dont care enough about this convo to spell shit out, sorry if you have a problem with that.

[Anonymous No.3498357]

>>3498334
Yea, that's how the scientific method works. You should give it a try sometime.

[Anonymous No.3498359]

mfw this whole thread

[Anonymous No.3498372]

>>3498334
What evidence?

[Anonymous No.3498373]

>>3498347

It doesn't bring up more questions then answers, a lot of it fits in with history, and I'm not talking about the shit they show on ancient aliens.

[Anonymous No.3498389]

>>3498372

There's plenty of writings about it.

[Anonymous No.3498406]

Pyramids were built by the working class when the farms were flooded as a sort of duty to the state not by slaves

[Anonymous No.3498419]

>>3498406

Oh, the rivers flooded and moved the several ton rocks.

[Anonymous No.3498429]

>>3498419
No the workers who normally tended the farms moved the rocks.

[Anonymous No.3498443]

>>3498429

Proof?

[Anonymous No.3498476]

>>3498443
A.Altenmüller, A. M. Moussa, in Studien zur altägyptischen Kultur 18 (1991), p. 36

[Anonymous No.3498508]

>>3498476

hypotheses.

[Anonymous No.3498546]

>>3498508
And it explains the current observations better then the old slave idea.

[Teacup !obkpuSWh5M No.3498612]

Well, you can't prove that ANCIENT ALIENS didn't build the pyramids, can you?

[Anonymous No.3498656]

>>3497227
Yeah I thought this was a brilliant realization...
For about a week in middle school after reading chariot of the gods. But then I realized its utter bullshit.

[flip4 No.3498997]

i'am confused. why don't you just use wikipedia or other sources.
Earlier, i also wanted to know how it was possible to build the pyramids.
Scientists don't know already for sure, but this here comes very close (in my opinion):

http://www.3ds.com/company/passion-for-innovation/the-projects/khufu-reborn/khufu-reborn/

greetings tamino

[Anonymous No.3499026]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDMzvJOu9vQ&feature=BFa&list=PLF91B494E3CB5AB19&index=1
Not aliens in the first episode but the series touches up on egypt in episode 12.
And it's a really good series.

[Anonymous No.3499116]

Damn i go away and suddenly theres people that SUPPORT the idea of aliens. GOOD GOSH! Yeah, if you really don't believe that there is life in the universe, probably not that far away, you are a moron. Like I said before I dont believe all the ideas in the documentary, but to say that someone is mentally ill for believing it is wrong. Why is it so hard to believe that aliens may have once visited earth? People once believed the world was flat. People were put to death for saying otherwise. Yet we know today the world is round. There are countries in the world that once supported the idea of multiple gods, and again you were put to death for saying otherwise, and now those very same countries follow a monotheistic religion. 2000 ways not to make a light bulb. The list of scientific facts once believed to be completely false goes on, and on, and on. Theoretical Physics. Are people that study Theoretical Physics mentally ill? Its a science based around how everything would work if we could just prove this one tiny little fact. All this would be true. Yet they can't seem to prove this one tiny little fact. Hence Theoretical Physics. But are they mentally ill crackpots? In an age when a word that meant aliens or astronauts may not have existed is it so hard to believe that ancient people may have referred to them as gods? Again I'll say I don't entirely support the ideas, but to say they are all completely wrong is ludicrous.

[Anonymous No.3499143]

Just now reading this thread.

Guys, this is a science board. Why aren't you going into more detail with your posts? When you quip a point and leave it there, as if it's a matter of fact, you leave all the rest of your argument or thought. Please, everyone should type out their thoughts thoroughly.

At the risk of sounding insane, I believe we're currently in possession of some amazing technology that our government(s) are intentionally withholding due to their paychecks being at stake.

On topic, religions of today are the result of an extended game of telephone. It all might have started out with stories being told to someone who could write, who then passed it on and also read it to his children, who interpreted it however they will, and it continues on from there until you have well over 40 slightly different sects of the same idea. Ancient cultures all have ideas of "gods" appearing to them in divine ways. "From the sky," being one of the more common. Some of the same people even talk about it. Back then, tales of it were magical and godly. Today, the tone is that of lunacy and arrogance.

My point is that, as scientists at-heart, we need to hear each other out and reach a conclusion together rather than be so scolding and angry at another idea.

[Anonymous No.3499152]

>>3498065
Step 1: find some rocks
Step2: Make them cubes
Step3: Stack those rocks!
Step4: arrange them in a pyramid shape
Step5: sand the rocks to make them look purdy
Step6: chill in the afterlife with Anubis like a boss
Any other questions may be relayed to this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCvx5gSnfW4
Any more questions?

[Anonymous No.3499177]

>>3499143
Yeah well most of the people posting here are too close-minded to want to wonder how or why something happened. They just accept what their told when their told as though everything out of the mouths of authorities is the honest truth. How can you take for fact a statement involving the words "may have". How can you not wonder at what was really done? I've been bashed by most of the people here for trying to do what science is all about. Ask how and why and what. If scientists cannot explain exactly how the pyramids were built how can you NOT wonder? Like I said before, if the Egyptians had used conventional techniques of modern day man, wouldn't scientists have been able to prove that this is how they did this? Most of the ancient megalithic structures on Earth today are still a mystery in respect to HOW they were actually built. Your text books say that Egyptians MAY have used ropes and pulleys and may even have had some primitive cranes. But wouldn't scientists have found dead proof of this? Proof that leaves no mystery as to how it was done?

[Anonymous No.3499192]

>>3498612
You can't PROVE you weren't conceived when I had angry violent hate-sex with your parents and forced your father to climax in your mother while I was fucking his ass either.
but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

[Anonymous No.3499205]

>>3499152
This is actually pretty cool. It's interesting that no one's seem to use this as an explanation before, considering how well known the concept of leverage is.

[Anonymous No.3499211]

>>3499152
No point in even watching your video.
It is one thing to say they just stacked some stones and sanded them. A 150 ton sandstone, which would be of enormous dimensions, sandstone is not very dense, would require one of the largest types of cranes we use today. You suppose that a bunch of men with ropes just pulled em right on up? With wooden pulleys? Even if they had iron pulleys, how large would those pulleys have to be to support a 160 ton stone? Wouldn't scientists have found one such a pulley? With all the other ancient remains we found in Egypt? Just take what your told for fact and get out of the science thread. Science is study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws. Take your fact to a pointless discussion about facts. Can't really be much fun though, it's all fact so no one really has an upper hand on anyone else. If its been proved, its a fact, its not relative to discussions pertaining to theories on things not yet proved.

[Anonymous No.3499216]

>>3498389
>There's plenty of writings about it.

Ancient civilizations writing about aliens is as much proof for the ancient alien hypothesis as ancient civilizations writing about the creation of the universe by your Lord Jesus Christ is proof of Christianity.

[Anonymous No.3499221]

>>3499211
The anger with which you argue really makes it seem you WANT to believe something in particular. That already makes you unfit to discuss science.

[Anonymous No.3499227]

>>3499221
Well if I'm not predisposed to your idea of men just hoisting 150 ton stones, I'm mentally ill anyway. So what difference does it make?

[Anonymous No.3499236]

>>3499211
>Wouldn't scientists have found one such a pulley?

Well, no, actually. I'm sorry, what are you arguing for again? Are you saying that they must have used technology we're not aware of, or that aliens helped them build the pyramids?

[Anonymous No.3499244]

>>3499227
How many men do you think they used?

[Anonymous No.3499247]

>>3499211
>No point in even watching your video.

That's a shame. You will clearly see what this man does to move around blocks weighing more than a ton. If you can't watch it for some reason, he uses smaller rocks as balance point to reposition the stones with leverage. Pretty clever, actually.

[Anonymous No.3499254]

>>3499236
I personally believe they just used a technology that we are not aware of, but until someone finds the real truth about how they were constructed I'm open to just about any idea as long as there is some sense behind it.

[Anonymous No.3499260]

>>3499254
Personally believing in something without any evidence? That sounds a little too much like religion for my tastes. I'm out.

[Anonymous No.3499263]

>>3499216
I KNOW RIGHT!?
I mean look at what just leaked out of my pen!
Aliens are obviously trying to contact me

[Anonymous No.3499270]

>>3499247
Unfortunately someone beat you to the punch. And again I'll say, a stone weighing 1 maybe 2 maybe even 3 tons is one thing. Stones used in the pyramids are estimated to be up to 150 tons. You go find a bunch of little stones that will roll around your 150 ton rock. The video was nice, but for the most part he is just a really clever guy that used common sense. Its not hard to move an object. I'm a rather small person myself and I work in a warehouse where I find ways to move objects usually outside of my capabilities. Leverage is all good and well but when ancient peoples are moving stones that would give modern technology a hassle, well that is just slightly hard to believe.

[Anonymous No.3499273]

>>3499254
I was taught in school that the ancient Egyptian slaves could have placed the blocks atop of smoothed logs and roll it from where the stone were chiseled and smoothed to where it needed to be.

[Anonymous No.3499278]

>>3499270
>I didn't watch the video blah blah that's only 1-5 tons max
Watch the video he moves a block that weighs 15,000 tons
quit being such a faggot

[Anonymous No.3499304]

>>3499278
Blah, blah, blah. It's 19200 pounds. Roughly 10 tons. Pay close attention to your video.

You couldn't imagine a 15000 ton stone.

[Anonymous No.3499319]

>>3499304
>>3499304
yes i could. it would be yo momas ass!

[Anonymous No.3499323]

>>3499319
Gee, thanks for your ever so wise input to the science thread.

[Anonymous No.3499330]

>>3499211
>Wouldn't scientists have found one such a pulley?

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

[Anonymous No.3499340]

If this stone had been removed from the earth, it is estimated that it would have weighed about 1000 tons. Move 15 of these with that mans technique. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.3499343]

Gosh, I suck at this. Here is that stone.

[Anonymous No.3499356]

>>3499304
Where did you get your numbers from? I'm seeing that the average weight of a block in the Great Pyramid weighed 2.5 tons, with some weighing up to 50 tons.

[Anonymous No.3499358]

>>3499330
No, but absence of evidence is absence of evidence. There is no evidence pointing to any one solid theory behind the construction of the pyramids. There is vague evidence here that may prove they used this method or that method. But no evidence that says the used this one in particular.

[Anonymous No.3499364]

>>3499356
Well I just looked at several sites, all of them varying. Some said 400 tons at max others said 150, others said 50, one even said they used stones up to 800 tons. Where did you get your numbers?

[Anonymous No.3499411]

>>3499364
http://unmuseum.mus.pa.us/kpyramid.htm
http://www.ancientnile.co.uk/pyramids.php

>>3499358

While there is a possibility that the pyramids of multiple cultures are somehow all related to each other, a discovery like that would be akin to the introduction of heliocentric model of the solar system and should, understandably, be greatly investigated and unsquealched.

[Anonymous No.3499454]

>>3499411
Well at the very least, I now know that the fans of the video of the man from Michigan are no longer that amazed. If you really thought he was moving a 15000 ton stone, you should be smacked.

[Anonymous No.3499465]

so i came to 4chan to see if anyone knew something about ed leedskalnin and his ideas about magnetism and instead i end up with an argument about pyramids and aliens. thanks 4chan. i think that just about concludes this one O.o

[Anonymous No.3499475]

>>3499465
Ed leedskalnin was a known fraudster and anything he wrote on magnetisim can be assured to be bullshit. Magnetism is always a favorite of pseudoscientists.

[Anonymous No.3499485]

I think they built molds for the blocks and then cast the blocks in those molds with clay, cement, dirt, water/whatever they made them out of.

[Anonymous No.3499503]

>>3499475
I don't understand this pseudoscience concept. How can something be pseudoscience? Science is the study of facts about the workings of nature. As long as something exists in nature, wouldn't any study of it be just plain science? And what is with the extraordinary amount of people posting in the science thread that are so ready to just accept the facts, no matter how vague. Magnets work like magnets. Why? No one knows really. They are just magnets. Again, how can you just except something that doesn't have a basis in real fact? My theory is that magnets work like magnets because apples are a fruit. Had that been printed in textbooks would you have accepted that? When someone tells me that something does something because it just does, you might as well tell me that it does what it does because urine is usually yellow.
Not having an explanation for how something works the way it does is the reason we have science, is it not? To find out why things do what they do, correct? So, as long as you are studying something that exists in the world, it is, in fact, science, right?

[Anonymous No.3499514]

>>3499503
science has a specific method. ignore that method and it's not science anymore... though it might look like science to the outsider.

[Anonymous No.3499533]

>>3499514
But that doesn't explain how every time I mention magnets I just get yelled at about pseudoscience. I'm interested in real study of magnets and how they work and why they work that way and what makes them work that way. I found his books interesting and wanted more information. Pseudoscience? How so?

[Anonymous No.3499544]

i understand that when you line up the poles in an object, you end up with a magnetic force of sorts, but what is it that makes the poles work like that? that's all I really wanted out of this thread.

[Anonymous No.3499553]

>>3499533
Because you're badgering us about getting a crackpot's take on magnets.

[Anonymous No.3500661]

>>3498011
lol, looks like some alien retard wandered into /sci/.

the attitude that these people share is always the same. when presented with a possibility, they always think that someone is CHALLENGING them and they turn hostile for no reason, as if they've already taken a side. What are you angry about? What are you defending? Oh wait, that's right, you're defending your alien conspiracy bullshit. No matter how much you try to sound moderate, it's blatantly obvious that your passionate about your subject.

Go back to the alien you spawned from.