/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.3495568]

http://news.yahoo.com/international-space-station-sunk-2020-002250127.html


>Russia and its partners plan to plunge the International Space Station (ISS) into the ocean at the end of its life cycle after 2020 so as not to leave space junk, its space agency said on Wednesday.

>"After it completes its existence, we will be forced to sink the ISS. It cannot be left in orbit, it's too complex, too heavy an object, it can leave behind lots of rubbish," said deputy head of Roskosmos space agency Vitaly Davydov.

No more shuttles either. FUCK

[Anonymous No.3495578]

;_;

[Anonymous No.3495587]

the fuck is this shit

[Anonymous No.3495596]

The end of an era.

>sadfrog.jpg

[Anonymous No.3495610]

finally.

[Anonymous No.3495611]

[Anonymous No.3495641]

Don't worry, we're working on the united leftist front for the return of the left and the end of capitalism.

[Anonymous No.3495657]

I have no reason to live any longer

[Anonymous No.3495662]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHOl7O_qLPs

[Anonymous No.3495687]

>>3495641
Don't worry you leftist pieces of shit.

You've done enough damage to the economy.

YOU are the reason we can't pay for this.

Kindly DIE.

Nobody here wants you.

[Anonymous No.3495697]

http://www.revleft.com/

31737 members already and ever growing. Join our cause!

[Anonymous No.3495696]

WHY

[Anonymous No.3495712]

>>3495687
Your post is pretty dumb. Capitalism is the main reason why this project has been canceled.

[Anonymous No.3495719]

cnjoined awarcu

[Anonymous No.3495721]

[Anonymous No.3495725]

>>3495697
31,739 members now.

[Anonymous No.3495734]

Good.

The shuttles were outdated bricks. As is the space station.

[Anonymous No.3495739]

>FUCK MY LIFE BAWW HELP IM SO RETARDED SOMEONE SHOOT ME
wow, you're another one of these posers who complain about everything yet do nothing

You should be like me and study and employ science harder, the faster humanity's technology advances the better. Face it, one glance at history proves infallibly that technology has been the major mover and shaker over the past 200 years, wars are decided by it, the socio-economic conditions that allow for democracy and welfare checks are impossible without it, a minimum wage earner is 15 times richer than a medieval peasant because of it, so anyone who is objective, logical and with the right temperament should instantly realize all available energy must be directed towards research.

[Anonymous No.3495744]

>>3495712
why don't you explain why?

[Anonymous No.3495751]

>>3495744
Because the surplus value is appropriated by the capitalist which leads to the wealth being accumulated in the hands of the few through capital accumulation.

[Anonymous No.3495750]

Fuck this gay earth. Space exploration provided some of the best advancements in science and technology that benefited everybody.

Kinda expected it when the cold war ended, but was pleasantly surprised for a while that governments were willing to keep it going. I guess space programmes are now too socialist and blocking out the "free market". Fucking dumb shit.

[Anonymous No.3495753]

why not just leave it up there if they're so goddamn stingy? what the fuck else is it going to bump into?

[Anonymous No.3495756]

http://www.revleft.com/

Stop waiting for things to change magically, join our cause and end this bullshit.

[Anonymous No.3495755]

>>3495697
Imbeciles United
The best example of the superiority of capitalism over your left-faggism is that I have the money and you don't, because I am smart.

[Anonymous No.3495757]

>>3495753
LEO is quite crowded, and possibility of a debris cascade is very real.

Also, that close to the Earth your orbit will degrade fairly quickly anyway if you don't maintain it.

[Anonymous No.3495758]

>>3495756
I'll vote for a lot of things. Universal healthcare and education, better unemployment, strongly progressive taxes, etc.

But not your bullshit. I'm sorry, I'm just not that naive anymore.

[Anonymous No.3495775]

>>3495758
Mind elaborating? There's nothing naive about it.

Under socialist worker self-management, Yugoslavian economy grew faster than after switching to capitalism. Workers got paid for the products of their labor. Not only that, but there was free healthcare and education.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Socialist_Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia#1950s_and_1960s

[Anonymous No.3495771]

>>3495744

Not that poster, but will explain.

Space Programmes require significant investment for extremely little return. There is barely any profit into it, you simply do it for the scientific knowledge and in the cold war era, maneuvering to see if it can be used as a deployment space for the defense weapons. Sometimes you wouldn't even get significant data and their were huge risks in going up. Challenger for example.

Problem is, leaving it to the "free market" is disastrous because there is no profit incentive. Companies are just going to go bankrupt bankrolling missions. They won't do anything without a profit motive, no matter how altruistic they seem.

tl;dr: Space programmes absolutely need an entity that can put money in without repercussion like a government. They cant survive otherwise.

Alternative tl;dr: fuck baby boomers.

[Anonymous No.3495782]

>>3495697
>>3495756
I recommend you to read the report of the British Labor Party Foundation about social policy they ran for 30 years. This report shows how the market has been deregulated, how unemployment and gray area grown and how much patology it created.

[Anonymous No.3495783]

So we spend billions of dollars decades of manpower to put it up there, then we bring it down as soon as we finished "cuz we're bored now".
How many elderly people (who aren't already billionaires) contribute anything of worth to the progression of humanity? Since when was keeping the unfit alive as long as possible a larger beacon of progress than exploring motherfucking space?

[Anonymous No.3495790]

>>3495751
>he thinks capitalism is to blame for everything
Most of those people live in shitty totalitarian regimes, capitalists can't exploit them and if they could then in 2 decades the country would be a developed egalitarian democracy like Argentina, South Africa, Thailand, Taiwan, South Korea, Indonesia etc... etc...

Read more books and quit it with the faggy hipster cliches.

[Anonymous No.3495791]

>>3495783
>"cuz we're bored now"
That's not the reason you shitfaced niggard. You have just shown an incredible amount of ignorance, go shoot yourself in the stomach.

[Anonymous No.3495792]

There will be more space stations, it's inevitable

[Anonymous No.3495796]

>>3495568
Its better than leaving it up there for Dr.Evil to put a nuke in. But dont worry, they wont crash it. Most likly they'll commercialise it.

Just you see.

[Anonymous No.3495799]

>>3495568

Which ocean and how deep is it?

Kinda feeling like learning deep sea diving...

[Anonymous No.3495802]

>>3495792

Yeah, they will be put up there by China though who will control the Space Race once they get their space programme in order because they can afford to spend the money on it and not worry about seeing a profit come back from it.

Any budding physics/astrophysics students should seriously consider taking Mandarin Chinese as their minor now.

[Anonymous No.3495805]

>>3495775
Great, 10 years of success! This is sooo long time!
USA got capitalism from 17th century till now. They created the most powerful economy and achieved the highest GDP.
Why it doesn't happened in any socialist country?

[Anonymous No.3495822]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_Heavy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylon_%28spacecraft%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_spacecraft

It's the end of an era, and the beginning of a new one.
The shuttle was great and all, but expensive as fuck.
This isn't the end of spaceflight, quit whining about it already.

[Anonymous No.3495828]

>>3495805
But this is exactly when it ran worker self-management socialism, you fucking retard. People got paid according to the work done. This proves that this type of socialism works great in practice and benefits the majority. It's also called market socialism, because it uses the market price mechanisms to attain an equilibrium, but doesn't have private property of the means of production, but instead WORKER ownership of the means of production.

USSR and most Warsaw Pact countries ran central planning which can't be effective until we have better technology to calculate all the economic inputs and outputs, and NOT worker self-management Titoist socialism model as Yugoslavia had during that time-frame, which allowed it to prosper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Socialist_Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia#1950s_and_1960s

"With the exception of a recession in the mid-1960s, the country's economy prospered formidably. Unemployment was low and the education level of the working force steadily increased. Due to Yugoslavia's neutrality and a leading role in the Non-Aligned Movement, Yugoslav companies exported to both Western and Eastern markets. Yugoslav companies carried out construction of numerous major infrastructural and industrial projects in Africa, Europe and Asia."

[Anonymous No.3495832]

>Implying space exploration will cease with stagnation of USA
>Implying this isn't the Chinese millennium and glorious technocrat scholarly China will let you autistfags down

[Anonymous No.3495838]

>>3495832
>Implying this isn't the Chinese millennium and glorious technocrat scholarly China will let you autistfags down
Is this supposed to be an insult?
It doesn't feel like one.

[Anonymous No.3495842]

>>3495832

>China will let you autistfags down
>Implying Chinese arent all inherently autistic insecure racists

Troll Harder

[Anonymous No.3495860]

>iTunes on shuffle
>Rocket Man comes on

[Anonymous No.3495895]

>>3495697
Go fuck yourself category B commie traitor scum.

[Anonymous No.3495901]

>>3495895
I'm a market socialist. I support worker-ran means of production which use the market price mechanisms. I don't support slow command economies which can't yet be operated effectively due to the fact that all the economic inputs can't be allocated to the outputs effectively with the current computation technology we have, the consumer demand is not properly fulfilled and the price system is fucked by the state monopoly.

[Anonymous No.3495906]

>>3495901
PS. Please note that even free-market socialism can exist. Socialism doesn't imply government-owned means of production - means of production can be worker-owned and managed, and decentralized, without a huge government which often ends up abusing it's power.

[Anonymous No.3495908]

[Anonymous No.3495918]

>>3495906
Just like anarchy is possible if everyone gets along and nobody steals/kills, right?

[Anonymous No.3495923]

Why the fuck do people worship Lenin and Stalin? They were two of the biggest mass murderers in history.

[Anonymous No.3495925]

>>3495918
I'm not an anarchist. I support a medium-sized government.

[Anonymous No.3495933]

emm.. yeah the actual translation of the statement said "sometime after 2020". the ISS is soon to be inspected so it will be extended through 2028. its not going anywhere for a long time. bush wanted to scrap it in 2020 but is has been extended. the Russians are just stating the obvious, once its too old and too unsafe it will be destroyed. This was the plan from the beginning.

[Anonymous No.3495941]

>>3495908
So, what happened between 1961 and 1989 when the Berlin Wall fell? Or 1991 when the Soviet union officially disbanded? And what about between 1989/91 and 1995?

Bad graph is bad. You can leave out facts and make any implications you like. But what you're not saying destroys your argument.

[Anonymous No.3495946]

>All companies are worker co-operatives
>???
>Most of the people profit

[Anonymous No.3495944]

>>3495908
great, some shitty forecast. btw. according to weatherman in TV today should be sunny, but well... its fucking raining.

>>3495925
you mean lean management?

[Anonymous No.3495954]

>>3495923
They don't see the connection, they think because Lenin and Stalin weren't "true marxists" that this doesn't mean totalitarian dictatorships thrived by using it as a state religion. You don't see dictatorships based on free speech and multi-party democracy.

[Anonymous No.3495988]

>ITT Communism rising in America

I prepare the popcorns

[Anonymous No.3496076]

>>3495923
>implying Lenin ever killed anyone
>implying that you are not brainwashed and haven't read Marx works because of "socialism hurr durr they taking ma liberty"

[Anonymous No.3496113]

>>3496076
wlel i dont think he killed anyone directly but he certainly marginalized the menchviks, established the cheka, fought the whites (and interventionist forces) and crushed the Kronstandt rebellion.
The political system before War Communism and NEP was great, it just did nothing for the economy

[Anonymous No.3496124]

>>3495954
>You don't see dictatorships based on free speech and multi-party democracy
Margaret Thatcher was a text book dictator; almost never refered to cabinet, didnt have a deputy PM for almost her entire time in office and took personal control of most issues.
She was more dictatorial than Hitler for the most part

[Anonymous No.3496153]

>>3495954
The US political system is totalitarian and dictatorial.

[Anonymous No.3496263]

I think Marx has mentioned that the advances in the communication technology worldwide is a huge advantage to the workers (that is, most of the people) to carry out their effort globally.

This is apparently what's happening now with the Internet.

[Anonymous No.3496270]

>>3496153
I recommed you to read more history and political economy books, because you speak shit.

[Anonymous No.3496280]

>>3496270
I recommend that to you too, since you fail at perceive reality.

[Anonymous No.3496305]

>>3496124
>>3496153
Every politician is a machiavellian sociopath, the point is to create a system where the options of the power-hungry elite are severely limited. Thus far liberty has done a good job at keeping them contained, the US has been a superpower for 50 years, it could well have taken over the world by now if it set it's mind to it but all it's done is start a few coups and minor wars.

[Anonymous No.3496314]

>>3496305
>few coups and minor wars.
Fuck you don't know what you are talking about, or just badly trolling.

[Anonymous No.3496324]

>>3496280
How, exactly, is the US dictatorial? You aren't one of those folk who actually believe Obama is responsible for everything the government does, are you? Not even going to address the absurdity of the totalitarian claim...

[Anonymous No.3496341]

>>3496324
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act

[Anonymous No.3496345]

>>3496324
Not at all, I belive the bipartidal system is made for distraction while the real leaders are unknown and operating in the dark, possibly corporation and banks CEOs.
The US is dictatorial because of the policial state persecution of their citizens, using war to get resources around the world for the last two hundred years and many many other things that you should be aware off. I'm not even american.

[Anonymous No.3496347]

>>3496324
War in Libya wasn't approved by congress.

[Anonymous No.3496355]

>>3496341
BTW, this is my post, and I'm not the same guy who made the previous post.

[Anonymous No.3496449]

soceelism is the enemy of the us citizens cuz it takes away our fredom

i dont know wt socialism is and never read marx but o well i was well informed by other fear-mongering idiots like me

[Anonymous No.3496513]

>Old /sci/
>Dood the congress just cut NASA's budget
>FUCK THAT SHIT BRO, CALLING ALL /SCI/ENTISTS TO BUILD A NEW TECHNOCRATIC NATION

>New /sci/
>Dood the space station is being deorbited and sunken
>FUCK CAPITALISM

Jesus niggers, I'm super left winged but this is just ridiculous. It's like I'm in /new 2.0/ instead of /sci/.

[Anonymous No.3496544]

>>3496513
>old /sci/
>super naive child-like sandbox-like dream games
>lol, "Hey, let's buy land and start our own country with our own production and shit and sea bases and rockets. After all, that would only cost a few bucks and we are all top 0.00001% billionaires."
>unrealistic and naive child-like bullshit

>new /sci/
>reads more
>learns
>reads the overview of the Das Kapital by Karl Marx
>realizes how much capitalism fails
>/sci/ faces the real world

[Anonymous No.3496558]

>>3496544

If you REALLY think that Karl Marx had any clue about what he was talking about, you're a deluded child.

[Anonymous No.3496561]

>>3496314
It's minor compared to nuclear war and totalitarianism which were possibilities considering human history. I expected less naivety from someone who confuses cynicism and realism, I guess you will make snap judgements and reject these ideas now just because they contain original inferences. Oh well.

[Anonymous No.3496569]

THE FREE MARKET WILL NEVER GET US TO SPACE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_private_spaceflight_companies

right

[Anonymous No.3496579]

>>3496569
>suborbital flight
>spaceflight
Hahahahaha.
No.

[Anonymous No.3496584]

>>3496579

That's only the beginning.

[Anonymous No.3496601]

>>3496584
In the same way building a paper plane is the beginning of achieving cross-Atlantic flight.

[Anonymous No.3496611]

>>3496601

False analogy.

[Anonymous No.3496630]

I don't see the problem.. it's not like they're saying they'll destroy all information that the ISS has given us. they are just getting rid of stuff when they are finished with it. This is a good thing since it means they'll be putting other things into space and into orbit even after 2020.

[Anonymous No.3496633]

>>3496558
If you think that Karl Marx had no clue of what he was talking about you're a deluded idiot who got his opinions about Karl Marx' work from other fear-mongering idiots.

[Anonymous No.3496646]

>>3496633

[Anonymous No.3496647]

>>3496601
One of the first powered airplanes flew only 200 feet. There's no way that could lead to flying faster then sound!

[Anonymous No.3496663]

>>3496633
>Karl Marx had no clue of what he was talking

[Anonymous No.3496687]

This just means they actually have the intention of sending things into orbit and into space even after 2020 when they are finished with the ISS. This is good news.

[Anonymous No.3496699]

[Anonymous No.3496701]

[Anonymous No.3496710]

http://www.businessinsider.com/feds-16-trillion-dollar-secret-slush-fund-props-up-our-way-of-life-20
11-7

Companies funded by the working classes tax dollar:
Citigroup: $2.5 trillion ($2,500,000,000,000)
Morgan Stanley: $2.04 trillion ($2,040,000,000,000)
Merrill Lynch: $1.949 trillion ($1,949,000,000,000)
Bank of America: $1.344 trillion ($1,344,000,000,000)
Barclays PLC (United Kingdom): $868 billion ($868,000,000,000)
Bear Sterns: $853 billion ($853,000,000,000)
Goldman Sachs: $814 billion ($814,000,000,000)
Royal Bank of Scotland (UK): $541 billion ($541,000,000,000)
JP Morgan Chase: $391 billion ($391,000,000,000)
Deutsche Bank (Germany): $354 billion ($354,000,000,000)
UBS (Switzerland): $287 billion ($287,000,000,000)
Credit Suisse (Switzerland): $262 billion ($262,000,000,000)
Lehman Brothers: $183 billion ($183,000,000,000)
Bank of Scotland (United Kingdom): $181 billion ($181,000,000,000)
BNP Paribas (France): $175 billion ($175,000,000,000)

[Anonymous No.3496718]

>>3496710

Thanks Keynesian!

[Anonymous No.3496735]

>>3496699
>>3496701
A queer socialist movement - what's your point?

< Here are queer free market capitalists.

[Anonymous No.3496739]

>>3496710

All banks are funded by the people who pay into them.

Put down the Michael Moore book.

[Anonymous No.3496740]

[Anonymous No.3496742]

>>3496710
Capitalism in action. We could set up colonies on the Moon, Mars or asteroids for fucking 16 trillion.

[Anonymous No.3496750]

>>3496742

Much of those funds bailed out socialist european countries you tard

[Anonymous No.3496758]

>>3496750
>socialist European countries
>fullretard.jpg

[Anonymous No.3496759]

[Anonymous No.3496770]

>>3496758

The majority of European countries are socialist.

I don't understand what was wrong with his statement at all. Countries failed and Germany, Britain and the US propped them up.

[Anonymous No.3496772]

>>3496758

how would you define them? Because i would agree that they are not socialist. they're more mixed capitalist with heavy social infrastructure. But if i ever say that, people want to argue to the death that they are socialist.

[Anonymous No.3496783]

Free-market socialism is the best system out there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricardian_socialism

Ricardian socialism refers to a branch of socialist economic thought based upon the work of economist David Ricardo. The Ricardian socialists reasoned that the free-market was the route to socialism, and that rent, profit and interest were not natural outgrowths of the free-market. The central beliefs of Ricardian socialism are that all exchange value is created from labor, and that labor is entitled to all it produces.

[Anonymous No.3496777]

[Anonymous No.3496778]

>retards, retards everywhere
Russia is working on the second ISS now to deploy by 2020-2025.

[Anonymous No.3496785]

>>3496770
Those are not socialist countries at all.

[Anonymous No.3496788]

Economic freedom with 95-99% of the companies being worker co-operatives for the win.

[Anonymous No.3496796]

inb4 dumb libertarians mad because free-market socialism exists and their property will be owned by workers and yet the system will be free-market, so they can't use free-market as an argument anymore

[Anonymous No.3496802]

>>3496788

Have you actually experienced the real world? Like, with real human beings that work those unskilled jobs? I certainly don't think you have. Those few years working those minimum wage jobs changed my perspective on capitalism very sharply.

[Anonymous No.3496804]

>>3496777
And what percentage of the total money supply does that 1% have?

[Anonymous No.3496808]

>>3496796

Sounds like you're buttmad over facts and logic. It's ok though, cling to your ideology in the face of data.

[Anonymous No.3496812]

[Anonymous No.3496817]

>>3496777
Lol at this graph. It says that top 1% income earners paid most of the tax percentage, and yet made it look like these 1% were the poorest 1% and not the big capitalists who own most or a large portion of the wealth.

[Anonymous No.3496827]

>>3496808
What data? Maybe the Yugoslavian economic growth, which was the closest to free-market socialism, and which grew faster than after switching to free-market capitalism?

FREE MARKET SOCIALISM ALL THE WAY!

[Anonymous No.3496841]

[Anonymous No.3496853]

[Anonymous No.3496860]

lol at the graph retard.

[Anonymous No.3496880]

>>3496853
lol

Obviously a troll, he's using a French actor drinking tea to represent an American.

[Anonymous No.3496916]

Reconfigurate it in orbit (add landing gear and shit), get a soyuz to tow it to the moon. Instant moonbase, just add rockets.

[Anonymous No.3496918]

>>3496880
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000698/bio

american actor born in wisconsin

[Anonymous No.3496933]

>>3496918
It's Piere Richard, not the actor you linked to. That actor barely looks like Piere Richard and has dark hair.

[Anonymous No.3496946]

< Here's Pierre Richard.

[Anonymous No.3496968]

Hey Americans, kiss my French ass and learn what socialism is!

[Anonymous No.3496970]

< American consumerism which is characteristic of the degraded ape-like American culture

[Anonymous No.3497004]

>>3495923
Actually the soldiers they commanded were mass murders.

It's funny how people always forget that a dictator can't do shit with out a willfully ignorant or equal sociopathic military under them.

[Anonymous No.3497054]

>implying you don't like this Soviet military song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfNM1WbANLY

[Anonymous No.3497072]

>>3497004
Holy fuck, did you intend that to be a defense of Lenin and Stalin?

>Hitler wasn't so bad, it was all the SS's doing

[Anonymous No.3497075]

>>3496933
what? the original picture is gene wilder

[Anonymous No.3497077]

>>3497072
What was so bad about Lenin?

[Real World Observer No.3497080]

The Federal Reserve has been operating outside its charter for some time (no loans to foreign entities), so the report on the "slush fund" is no surprise to us cynics out here. "Capitalism" as we know it is a joke: rigged via insider-trading, packed corp boards, for sale congressmen, stolen elections (Diebold), several impeachable SOTUS members (corp personhood), corrupt rating agencies, and an imbecile business media where it isn't inside dealing itself (Cramer, et al) and the privatization of public utilities (Enron vs Calif. PUCs). I don't see how any rational human being, especially anyone who calls themselves a scientist and pays even the slightest attention to the real world thievery going on, can honestly argue against a government based on social democracy (Sweden, Finland, Denmark models) with iron-fisted business regulation, or defend the 2 party system vs. a parliamentary form.

This whole thread is just full of Dunning-Kruger.

[Anonymous No.3497081]

What was so bad about George Bush? He just slaughtered around 1-2 million.

[Anonymous No.3497083]

>>3497077
I don't have as much of a beef with Lenin as Stalin, but still.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin#Red_Terror

[Anonymous No.3497087]

>>3497077
He was a communist.

[Anonymous No.3497094]

>>3497087
Psh, that's like saying Jesus was a Mormon.

[Anonymous No.3497097]

>>3497072
If neccessary.

The point is solid, a dictator can't do anything without a military trained to follow orders without thought.

[Anonymous No.3497111]

>>3497081
Every American president from Washington up to arguably Eisenhower was complicit in the genocide of the native American population.

This country would exist in its present form with some form of mass murder.

At least the space program doesn't involve murder, that I'm aware of.

[Anonymous No.3497113]

>>3497097
This does not lessen the crime of the dictator.

[Anonymous No.3497119]

>>3497081

Every American president from Washington up to arguably Eisenhower was complicit in the genocide of the native American population.

This country would not exist in its present form with some form of mass murder.

At least the space program doesn't involve murder, that I'm aware of.

[Anonymous No.3497124]

>>3497119
*would NOT exist

<dammit>

[Anonymous No.3497144]

>>3497113
It does if only to the extent that such a wide-spread crime would not have been possible without the military force. Stalin could have killed a few thousand people at best if he had to do so with his own hands.

Military power and obedience is the enabler to a dictatorship.

[Anonymous No.3497155]

The fuck is this?

Guys an we, like, start Cold War 2 to get another space race going? Cos this has actually pissed me off.

[Anonymous No.3497179]

>>3497155
Or get a better system, like market socialism for example.

[Anonymous No.3497186]

>>3497179
Not that guy, but I'd be fine with that as far as I understand it. What's the difference between market socialism and welfare capitalism?

[Anonymous No.3497198]

>>3497186
That the means of production are owned by the workers and the profit made by these companies is paid back to the workers, so it benefits the vast majority of the people and doesn't accumulate the wealth in the hands of the few. As in, all companies are worker co-operatives.

[Anonymous No.3497409]

>>3497198
but then those shitty workers will own my business and i dont ant thtat

[Anonymous No.3497460]

>hurr lets not pollute space lets pollute our oceans instead durr

fuckin russian

[Anonymous No.3497510]

>>3497460
fucking commies russian assholes

[Anonymous No.3497584]

>>3495799
I hear ya man. We have to recover the C.O.L.B.E.R.T.

[Anonymous No.3497593]

USA is finished

[Anonymous No.3497613]

>>3497198

I support this. Market socialism for the win!

We should be hiring and electing our managers, as befits a democracy.

[Anonymous No.3497652]

Alright guys
Get ready to set up a reeaaaally strong net.

[Anonymous No.3497990]

>>3495568
Boy, this announcement sure gets taken out of context a lot.

For "2020", read "planned end date of the ISS". It could always be extended, just like lots of other NASA missions.

And this is simply announcing that Russia has chosen not to disconnect its sections for their own use after 2020. That was one option they were recently considering, when it looked like Europe and the USA would run out of ISS funding before they did. I guess they'd like to focus funding on other things, like planetary exploration or their new Angara launch system and new domestic launch site.

This is as expected as the announcement that they would dorbit Mir. Shit gets old and worn out in time, and deorbiting it is the responsible thing to do.

[Anonymous No.3498067]

>>3496630
It is sad and ironic that the most expensive architectural artifact of all time will leave absolutely no trace after it is decommissioned.

This is why I support a Moon colony instead. Once built, it will last a billion years in the vacuum of space. Can you imagine a better testament to human ingenuity than a base anyone can see on the moon with a telescope? Hell, it should even get funding as an ARTS project!

[Anonymous No.3498101]

fuck sake why is this thread still active?


this story tells us that they plan on doing more stuff in space, thats why they dont want rubble interfering with that.How is this news depressing?

[Anonymous No.3498106]

why are they not putting it in a museum? Loads of people would pay to see the ISS, especially since they couldnt exactly see it when it is in space.

[Anonymous No.3498124]

Суки, такую страну развалили. Но подождите немного, расплатитесь вы за ето.

[ႼЋïŁႣƧტƿḩЄƦṥ !Scone2booQ No.3498146]

>>3498106
How the fuck are you going to get it into a museum?

[Anonymous No.3498151]

>>3498146
just separating the modules

[ႼЋïŁႣƧტƿḩЄƦṥ !Scone2booQ No.3498241]

>>3498151
And then construct massive heat shields, retro rockets and parachutes for each one? It would be far less expensive to just build it all from scratch on the ground.

[Anonymous No.3498771]

would'nt this polute the ocean?

[Γ214 !vThor214Xw No.3498920]

>>3498771
It takes a great deal more than a heap of space junk to pollute the ocean on a significant level. now if this happened, say, once a week for the next 20 years, you would see some effects.

Just like the radioactive runoff from Fukushima Daiichi II didn't pollute the greater ocean. It temporarily polluted the immediate area, but once diffusion occurred, it was a non issue.

[Anonymous No.3498967]

>>3497460
Are you retarded? Almost every structure mankind has boosted natural underwater growth. Just look at that giant concrete Jesus they put in Mexico. In just a few years, it became covered in coral. If they dismantle and dump it properly, nothings gonna get harmed unless it squishes something on the way down.

[Anonymous No.3498971]

>>3498967
Almost every structure mankind sinks into the ocean*

derp derp

[Anonymous No.3500020]

If there really is no incentive to go to space because there are no profits then there really is no reason to go to space, but of course this isn't true. Commies have been saying this for ever about every innovation cars, planes, computers. Just shutup and realize you are always wrong, marxism is shit and you are a bunch of deluded retards.

[Anonymous No.3502411]

>>3496699
>>3496701
WHAT THE FLYING FUCK IS THAT

[Blackman No.3502416]

Rank the following methods as most effective to least effective for getting the stranded astronauts out of the international space station since all funds have been cut:

1) Giant slide. A rocket would be used to propel a giant rubber slide (similar to one used on an airplane) into space and all astronauts would have a limited amount of time to board the slide and ride it back to earth as it slowly deflates.

2) Free fall. This method being one of the more dangerous. At a time when the station is positioned at a predetermined location, they would free fall from the station onto a specially designed trampoline which would safely bounce them into the ocean.

3) Balloons. The astronauts would use helium balloons to descend to Earth. The balloons are coated in a special material to prevent birds from pecking them.

4) Space station free fall. Another fairly dangerous method. The astronauts would command the station down to Earth in free fall. If all goes as planned, it would safely land in the ocean.

5) Animals. Animals would be placed into a rocket and sent up to the space station. From there the animals would get onto the space station and the astronauts would get on the rocket and safely descend back to earth.

[Anonymous No.3502508]

>>3502416
i'm really not sure if you are trolling or just massively retarded.

[Anonymous No.3502549]

>>3502508
Its easy to tell. Nobody that retarded has spelling and grammar that good.

[Anonymous No.3502552]

>>3502416

You forgot:

6) Space station free-fall/jump off. Same as 4, but the astronauts, precisely calculate, to jump off the station 10 meters above the ocean surface to dampen the impact and secure their survival.

[Anonymous No.3502563]

>>3502552
also forgot "lock tractor beam on distant immobile object, let earth slip out from under you"