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ALiens Anonymous Mon Aug 1 22:50:27 2011 No.3492596 [Reply] [Original]

Do you belive in aliens Discuss

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 22:53:27 2011 No.3492614 > Huge ass universe. > still haven't counted all the galaxies. > Not ONE other scenario similar to earth. They might not be grey matter big head aliens, but I can say with 99% certainty that life exists outside of the solar system.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 22:53:27 2011 No.3492611 inb4 /sci/ believes in aliens despite evidence because of the high probability of them existing, but at the same time won't believe in God because there's no evidence

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 22:54:27 2011 No.3492622 Yeah high probability of a guy with a beard would be floating around in heaven? is like a fantasy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 22:56:27 2011 No.3492631 >>3492622 >implying a guy with a beard floating around in heaven is the only possibility for God You can't be serious.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 22:59:27 2011 No.3492653 >>3492631 >implying that im serious Yeah im serious. Look at churches a guy with white beards with rings around their head. Fantasy

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 22:59:27 2011 No.3492652 File: 194 KB, 400x349, 1306463163527.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I was trying to debate someone yesterday about the gold standard and during my internet research I discovered that Aliens want our gold. WHY do they want our gold?

Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:00:27 2011 No.3492656

>>3492611
>>3492631
This is about extraterrestrial life, not god. Fuck off.
Let's try to keep the religion shitspew out of here for once

On topic now, yes, I do think that life is likely to exist outside of the earth. Quite possibly even within our own solar system.
Even if the conditions on earth are extremely rare (Which I don't think they are), life may not need those conditions to exist. There's so much we don't know about what else could be out there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:01:27 2011 No.3492670 >>3492652 To rebuild their atmosphere that was collapsing

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:04:27 2011 No.3492686 >>3492656 >accepts aliens without evidence >won't accept god without evidence Welcome to /sci/

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:07:27 2011 No.3492706 >>3492686 What do you mean no evidence?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:09:27 2011 No.3492720 File: 21 KB, 291x267, 1298427757602.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3492706 He's a fool. Ignore him. The evidence of Aliens is all around us. It reveals itself in nature

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:11:27 2011 No.3492736 File: 85 KB, 553x674, 1311042555816.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I do. Plenty of fucking illegal aliens running around Florida. Pic related

Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:12:27 2011 No.3492738

>>3492686
1/10
From a biological standpoint it's very very possible
What's so hard to understand about that? If abiogenesis and evolution can happen on one planet, it's almost certain that it has or can on others In this vast universe
God on the otherhand is outside the realm of reality, that's already enough to kick that belief out the window

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:12:27 2011 No.3492742 >>3492720 Yes thank you for saying that and i belive you whatch Acient aliens?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:14:27 2011 No.3492752 >>3492706 I mean there is no evidence that aliens exist. Period.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:15:27 2011 No.3492759 >>3492738 >From a biological standpoint it's very very possible That's not evidence.

Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:15:27 2011 No.3492760

>>3492611

Aliens, if they exist, are simply a form of material life that exist inside this universe. We already have proof that a form of material life exists inside this universe: Earth and its inhabitants. It is a reasonable inference to suspect that where there is one planet proven to have life on it, there may be others.

The proven number of forms of omnipotent consciousness that exist outside this universe in some vague and unspecifiable way is still zero.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:17:27 2011 No.3492773 File: 202 KB, 400x349, 1306463509476.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3492742 Why yes. /sci/ needs to educate itself about the origins of human civilization.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:17:27 2011 No.3492775 explain how we have aircraft. Computers and Television without some outside help.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:19:27 2011 No.3492783 >>3492773 we've only begun our search into the creation of humanity

Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:21:27 2011 No.3492793

>>3492759
The god from the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions is absolutely false and it's just as false as greek or egyptian myrhology. All the human-made gods are false.
On the other hand, the possibility of a Intelligent Creator could be true, but it's not something we could comprehend, so it has to be taken agnostically.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:31:27 2011 No.3492822 >>3492759 The probability is more than enough evidence

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:32:27 2011 No.3492826 >>3492631 implying green text doesn't already mean implying

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:34:27 2011 No.3492837 >>3492822 No, it's not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:36:27 2011 No.3492848 >>3492822 Curious. Can you prove there is a creator (God) through probabilities too?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:47:27 2011 No.3492888 >>3492775 0/10

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:50:27 2011 No.3492896 Alien life exists somewhere out there. Just not the anthropomorphic Hollywood type.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:50:27 2011 No.3492897 >>3492822 No, probability is not evidence. But the fact that life exists on Earth IS evidence. Man, learn to argue our side better.

Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:51:27 2011 No.3492901
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>>3492848
if there was observable magic fairy dust sprinkled all over the universe which were the components of a god, then yes. but no, there are the right compounds/elements or components necessary for life to exist sprinkled all over the universe.

Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:55:22 2011 No.3492921 [DELETED]

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>mfw people think that there is no physical evidence that alien exist when our history is full of undeniable evidence.

There have been hundreds of thousands of alien sightings in human history. Only one needs to be real.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:55:27 2011 No.3492924 >>3492897 The fact that there is life on earth is evidence that there is life on other planets? No, that means there is a high probability. High probability is not evidence. Are you listening to yourself?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:55:27 2011 No.3492925 >>3492848 What are the chances that something came from nothing.

Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:56:27 2011 No.3492930

>>3492921
There have been hundreds of thousands of alien sightings in human history. Only one needs to be real.

There have been hundreds of thousands of bigfoot sightings in human history. Only one needs to be real.

There have been hundreds of thousands of lochness monster sighting in human history. Only one needs to be real.

There have been hundreds of thousands of chupacabre sightings in human history. Only one needs to be real.

Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:56:27 2011 No.3492933

>>3492848
Ohboyherewego.jpeg
Saw that coming
God has no information to back him up.
By probability I mean the fact that we have life on this planet come from natural sources (abiogenesis) and pushing through in a trial and error-like manner (evolution)
When that can happen on one planet, who's to say it can't on any others?
God, as I said before is outside reality.
There is no information we can gather through any sort of scientific study to gain a deity any sort of place on the list of information we have about our universe
Life outside of our planet however we can

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:57:27 2011 No.3492936 >>3492924 Science depends on probabilities. Science cant actually prove anything 100%.

Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:58:27 2011 No.3492947

>>3492930
>There have been hundreds of thousands of bigfoot sightings in human history.
>There have been hundreds of thousands of lochness monster sighting in human history
>There have been hundreds of thousands of chupacabre sightings in human history.

>implying these are true statements

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:59:22 2011 No.3492949 File: 81 KB, 752x645, 1311886014560.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >there are about one sextillion stars in the universe >mfw people think Earth is the only planet with life

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 1 23:59:27 2011 No.3492952 >>3492686 We are evidence that life can exist in the universe. We have evidence that under the right conditions, life can arise (We've done it in a lab). We have no evidence of a god existing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:00:27 2011 No.3492958 I am about as confident that alien life does exist as I am that God does not exist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:01:27 2011 No.3492960 File: 8 KB, 211x251, 1310168331869.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Not believing we are constructs in a computer simulation created by an entity we perceive as all powerful.

Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:01:27 2011 No.3492961
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Now, could the aliens be faries?
it doesn't make sense to say that aliens from another planet go about lurking in the dark, or that they come around during the night and hide in the closet or under the bed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:02:27 2011 No.3492963 >>3492952 Still can't proof aliens exist

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:03:27 2011 No.3492969 ITT: Atheists who use theist-like probabilistic logic to justify their delusions.

Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:05:27 2011 No.3492975

>>3492924
>The fact that there is life on earth is evidence that there is life on other planets? No, that means there is a high probability. High probability is not evidence. Are you listening to yourself?

Hmm, seems you need help here.

>The fact that there is [life, made from stupidly common elements] on [one planet] is evidence that there [can be] life on [any of the billions of billions of billions of] other planets.

There you go. You're welcome.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:05:27 2011 No.3492974 >>3492630 meeting adjourned

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:06:27 2011 No.3492977 >>3492963 We are evidence that life can exist. It's ridiculous to say it cannot exist twice. I don't need to "proof" aliens existence.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:07:27 2011 No.3492983 >>3492958 Which requires more faith? Belief in aliens or belief in no God? No evidence for either

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:09:27 2011 No.3492992 >>3492963 >Can't proof >proof Welp That's about all the information I need

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:09:27 2011 No.3492995 >>3492983 But there is evidence that alien exist. Just like there is evidence that black holes and dark energy exist even though we cant directly observe it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:09:27 2011 No.3492998 >>3492975 There's a chance it never happened any where else, however how small.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:10:27 2011 No.3492999 >>3492983 I don't have faith for either because I do not claim certainty. My only claim is that the possibility of god existing is infinitesimally small, just as the possibility of alien life NOT existing is infinitesimally small.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:11:27 2011 No.3493007 >>3492952 >we've reproduced the origin of life What? Sauce?

Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:13:27 2011 No.3493015

>>3492960
That would be some kind of vain delusion, time paradox, bullshit or whatever.
Next thing they would say is that, in the far future, man himself created the whole thing on a computer.
Which, in a way, goes back to the old concept of god as an old man with a white beard etc...

Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:13:27 2011 No.3493016
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>>3492995

>But there is evidence that alien exist.

Show me that evidence.

Johannes Gutenberg created the printing press in 1440. We have evidence he created the printing press. The conditions required to create the printing press existed on other parts of the planet in 1440; thus, someone else probably also create the printing press in, or before, 1440.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:14:27 2011 No.3493018 If you ask me to speculate: Yes i think there is a huge number of civilizations alien in relation to this planet. Fact: I dont know. Don't have any legit proof. This is /sci/, so i'm trying to be /sci/.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:16:27 2011 No.3493026 File: 113 KB, 400x350, 1306462853547.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3492999 What if what aliens are what we consider gods? That make these gods more likely?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:18:27 2011 No.3493034 >>3493026 Traditional idea of "god" means he created the universe. Aliens would have to arise through natural process. You can't create the universe before you exist. Bad troll is bad.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:18:27 2011 No.3493035 >>3493026 No The aliens would still have needed to come about through natural processes They may be god-like by our standards, but they still aren't deities

Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:22:27 2011 No.3493046

>>3493015
IF God existed he would be unknowable as an all powerful being created the entirety of the universe. We are incapable of comprehending things which defy our reality. An all powerful being who created our Universe would not be subject to the same laws as us or even the same dimensions. I use the Computer simulation as an analogy. I could create a simulation and even if the entities in the simulation became sentient they would be limited to thinking within the bounds of the simulation. But they could never understand my reality unless I told them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:22:27 2011 No.3493049 File: 102 KB, 287x260, 1297113215203.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] aliens are real and Kepler telescope is supporting this hypothesis

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:23:27 2011 No.3493052 File: 12 KB, 277x307, 1311557732491.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3493046 > An all powerful being who created our Universe would not be subject to the same laws as us or even the same dimensions Sure is presumptuous faggot in here.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:24:27 2011 No.3493054 >>3492952 Still need to explain the WHY of everything. Scientists mix up this concept very often and go on about the HOW. Explaining, even simulating processes. I mean, that could give us a hint of something.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:24:27 2011 No.3493055 >>3493034 >You can't create the universe before you exist. Existence - The fact or state of living or having objective reality. >Implying an all powerful being who created everything we know would be considered to be in an "objective reality"

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:24:27 2011 No.3493057 >>3493034 >>3493035 He means that the gods of every ancient religion could be aliens because primitive man would confuse advanced technology for magic (Clarke's Third Law).

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:27:27 2011 No.3493061 >>3493052 >Implying its not a logical statement >Implying you could logically explain how an all powerful being would be unwillingly bound to the laws it created.

Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:29:22 2011 No.3493067 [DELETED]

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>>3493055
Alien life would arise naturalistically after the universe was created. Since they did not exist at its inception, they can not be the creators of said universe. An effect can not precede its cause.

>mfw basic logic

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:31:27 2011 No.3493074 File: 896 KB, 3264x2448, 1240066772444.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] hey guys I word at Area 51 here is a candid pic I took

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:31:27 2011 No.3493075 >>3493061 >Implying you know for a fact whether or not an omnipotent being would be bound by the physical laws of this universe >Implying you're not making a massive presumption based on no knowledge whatsoever

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:34:27 2011 No.3493082 >>3493075 >bound by the physical laws of the universe That implies he didn't make the universe

Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:36:27 2011 No.3493094

>>3493075
If I create a computer simulation I have become all powerful withing in the reality of the simulation. I am bound by my own reality. Like wise God is create our Universe including our physics and dimensions, but he is bound by his reality not our reality.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:37:27 2011 No.3493100 >>3493061 good job stopping any sort of argument against your view, christianfags would be proud If this simulation creator is outside our laws and reality then there isn't much either of us can say to tip either side of the scale

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:37:27 2011 No.3493103 File: 20 KB, 221x217, 1301949725400.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3493094 Well I obviously can't type anymore tonight

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:38:27 2011 No.3493105 File: 71 KB, 727x638, 1306463413466.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3493075 But what if the Aliens escaped into a different plane of existence before the Big Crunch and came back after the Big Bang exploded again

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>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:40:27 2011 No.3493115 >>3493105 Sounds like Galactus.

Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:41:27 2011 No.3493122

>>3493100
Yeah pretty much but that fact that our universe is so ordered is enough to say with high (not absolute) certainty that an intelligence is behind its creation. Too keep with the analogy. You find a computer simulation which you assume was made by a human. Even though you never actually witnessed the person creating it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:42:27 2011 No.3493129 >>3493074 Hows the pay there? Also private sector or military?

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>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:51:27 2011 No.3493168 >>3493122 >order, order everywhere Well you struck me as an intelligent guy at first, despite the fact that you were arguing for a creator Now you're just bringing up what every other theist shits out their mouth I am disappoint

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 00:58:27 2011 No.3493199 >>3493168 What other logically conclusion should I reach? That the very laws of the an reality of the Universe is born from nothing more than a predicate of its existence. Ignoring the whole "Is existence itself a predicate?" arguement

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 01:11:27 2011 No.3493267 >>3493046 I think to believe in a 'domestication-like' scenario would be even more sensible than this cyber-fantasy. What we think of as god would actually be some kind of interplanetary organism living in a higher ecological niche than our own.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 01:14:27 2011 No.3493288 Yes but they haven't visited us.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 01:17:27 2011 No.3493304 >>3493288 >Yes but they haven't visited us. You don't have evidence for either

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 01:18:27 2011 No.3493309 >>3493267 I used the word niche but I don't mean they would be necessarily preying on humans

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 01:20:27 2011 No.3493315 >>3493304 I don't need evidence to believe they haven't visited us. I would need evidence that they have and probability is on my side with the existence of other self replicating things out there.

Anonymous Tue Aug 2 01:21:27 2011 No.3493317

>>3493199
That there was no sentient being involved with the creation of this universe
Also if this god is in restriction to HIS own universal laws where did those laws arise from?
If I create a computer program, and any sort of beings comes about from it, they may be inside of their own universe with their own laws, that I am not a part of, but I am still a result of thousands of years of evolution I wasn't always there to make the program

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 01:27:27 2011 No.3493354 >>3493199 Also if your argument is that the universe is so complex it had to be created, then that would mean that this god would also be complex, if the universe is to complex to have arisen without help from a deity, then so is the deity itself

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