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Anonymous Wed Jul 27 18:10:23 2011 No.3461746 [Reply] [Original]

if you could take a drug that would put you in state of bliss that could never get boring, would you take it?

a lot of people have said no, because it's synthetic, it's "for the weak", and other things about making bliss with work etc.

only someone who believes in dualism and magical spirits would say this, if someone believes the purpose of life is to find happiness, why would it matter if it's artificial?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 18:13:23 2011 No.3461757 >>3461746 because some people have more interests in life than just experiencing pleasure.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 18:15:23 2011 No.3461762 >>3461757 okay then, whatever interest you're talking about, the effect of said interest is created artificially.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 18:17:23 2011 No.3461769 >>3461762 does it have any side effects? does it render me incapeable of functioning in society? is it addictive? will it leave me looking like a heroin addict?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 18:18:23 2011 No.3461776 yes I would take it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 18:18:44 2011 No.3461778 >if you could take a drug that would put you in state of bliss that could never get boring, would you take it? Of course, but no such thing exists or will ever exists.

Anonymous Wed Jul 27 18:20:23 2011 No.3461787

>>3461746
Why don't you just kill yourself? No I'm serious, just OD on morphine, i hear you'll have artificial happiness then die. What's the difference between that and your synthetic drug. One lasts longer? So what, nothing else happened in your extended existence anyway on that drug.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 18:21:23 2011 No.3461798 >>3461769 no, it's exactly the same as if you'd have created the effect naturally. these are unimportant details, the question is about whether something artificial can replace the real thing.

Anonymous Wed Jul 27 18:21:23 2011 No.3461799

>>3461762
>okay then, whatever interest you're talking about, the effect of said interest is created artificially.

what do you mean the effect is artificial?

If I'm concerned with reducing malaria in africa, and I go out and cure it, and people get better. What is artificial?

Anonymous Wed Jul 27 18:23:23 2011 No.3461807

No, I would not.

Self-actualization is more than a mental state of bliss. It also involves self-determination.

Basically, I don't want to become an endlessly masturbating vegetable, as many people did in Simon Funk's "After Life".
http://sifter.org/~simon/AfterLife/

Great story about the implications of mind uploading.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 18:24:23 2011 No.3461810 >>3461746 pleasure bores me, so by definition your drug is shit tier.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 18:27:23 2011 No.3461823 >>3461807 Pretty much this. There's a lot to be said for satisfaction and the knowledge of great accomplishments, and the meaning you get from pursuing things. Chemical bliss is for people who haven't gotten past the idea of utopia-as-leisure

>>	Ragade Wed Jul 27 18:30:23 2011 No.3461836 >>3461746 Who says my goals are to be happy? Making others miserable is so much more rewarding. Plus, life without hatred just isn't the same... tldr; fuck off bio-abolitionist.

Anonymous Wed Jul 27 18:31:23 2011 No.3461840

All the objections to the drug can be easily overcome by simply saying 'the drug rectifies that problem'.

If you think drugs are too artificial - take a drug which makes you think you're leading the most natural life possible, or one that simply makes you stop caring about such silly things as artifice vs nature.

If you think the drug would be boring - you didn't read the question.

If you think you'd need something more - take a drug which constantly gives you the sensation of always being excited and having new experiences.

You don't have to know you're on the drug, it is just like a hypothetical reality.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 18:32:23 2011 No.3461841 >>3461836 Well, let's just say that if push came to shove we would have to kill each other.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 18:33:23 2011 No.3461849 Fuck philosophy, but why the he'll does it matter if it's artificial

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 18:36:23 2011 No.3461865 File: 54 KB, 163x210, 1304020098794.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] OP's picture gives me eternal bliss

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 18:36:23 2011 No.3461868 I'm suicidal, but I'm a pathetic coward and can't actually harm myself. So YES.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 18:37:23 2011 No.3461869 >>3461746 There are many different kinds of pleasure and as a devout hedonist I really ought not limit myself to some dubious wonder drug that gives me "bliss."

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 18:37:44 2011 No.3461872 >>3461836 fuck off edgy teenager

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 18:38:23 2011 No.3461885 >>3461840 The only way you'd do this for me is if the drug mirrored real life only had me be some kind of superstar. This isn't really drugs now, this is a 'matrix' or dream world scenario.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 18:39:23 2011 No.3461887 i used to always be in a state of bliss. i was focused and had an overriding goal that was larger than myself. my ego fell apart when i discovered what achieving this goal meant for my life. fuck. gimmie a hit. captcha: efficient ientsn

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 18:47:23 2011 No.3461920 >>3461807 >Basically, I don't want to become an endlessly masturbating vegetable, as many people did in Simon Funk's "After Life". sifter.org/~simon/AfterLife/ Love that story.

Anonymous Wed Jul 27 18:55:23 2011 No.3461956

>>3461840

That can't counter the objection that nothing actually gets done.

If you are concerned about poverty, aids, or developing real, or taking care of your wife, family, kids, etc...the drug can't do any of that.

If it is forced on you by some 3rd party and injected into you, then it might be able to pacify you and turn you to a pleasure vegetable. But a scientist interested in doing ANYTHING, wouldn't take the drug at all.

Only someone who's interested in selfish vegetative pleasure would take it.

YOu can't counter this argument.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 18:55:23 2011 No.3461961 >only someone who believes in dualism and magical spirits would say this, if someone believes the purpose of life is to find happiness, why would it matter if it's artificial? False dichotomy is false.

>>	John Boehner !JbOehnERtM Wed Jul 27 18:56:23 2011 No.3461964 File: 36 KB, 500x575, 12.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] You mean like Soma (Brave New World)? If it doesn't have overwhelmingly negative side effects, I'd try it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 19:35:23 2011 No.3462134 >>3461887 Do elaborate on that goal of yours.

Anonymous Wed Jul 27 20:39:06 2011 No.3462454

>>3461836

I wasn't going to bump this thread but you're basically a fucking moron.

You realize anything you want to achieve is called happiness? If you want to murder other people, and you do that, it makes you happy. If you want to get depressed and fuck up your life, and you achieve that, you've fulfilled your goal and are therefore happy.

Fucking moron another namefago to block.

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