Lets see where /sci/ stands.. http://www.politicalcompass.org Economic Left/Right: -0.62 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.44

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Anonymous Wed Jul 27 15:08:00 2011 No.3460805 [Reply] [Original]

Lets see where /sci/ stands..

http://www.politicalcompass.org

Economic Left/Right: -0.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.44

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 15:10:00 2011 No.3460818 inb4 everyone is left liberal

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 15:11:00 2011 No.3460822 We've done this before. Most people are lower-left quadrant, but also say the test is biased.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 15:11:00 2011 No.3460824 bump for inrerest

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 15:12:00 2011 No.3460833 >implying right liberal isn't god tier

Anonymous Wed Jul 27 15:15:00 2011 No.3460850

People should be able to do whatever the fuck they want at home

giving people economic freedom is another way of saying economic anarchy - I.E. biggest and baddest stay biggest and baddest deal with it.

thats my viewpoint. I just want shit to work, I want technology to continue to progress and I don't want manipulative fucks buying everyone and ruining the planet.

libertarian with reservations about human interest.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 15:24:00 2011 No.3460876 File: 3 KB, 480x400, politicalcompassjuly27.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Herpaderp. I like how they managed to test Stalin AND Ghandi with this.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 15:28:00 2011 No.3460900 File: 7 KB, 482x407, political compass.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] come at me bro

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 15:28:00 2011 No.3460902 File: 3 KB, 480x400, pcgraphpng.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm like a square to the right of Gandhi's estimate

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 15:29:00 2011 No.3460907 >>3460850 >libertarian How's it feel being so hipster?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 15:30:00 2011 No.3460910 >>3460900 >Zeitgeistfag detected

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 15:33:00 2011 No.3460922 >>3460910 More like rational and compassionate idea of the world.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 15:33:00 2011 No.3460923 Socialist libertarian here, strain the black flag and slit throats!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 15:35:00 2011 No.3460930 >>3460822 Reality has a liberal bias.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 15:40:00 2011 No.3460956 File: 3 KB, 480x400, pcgraphpng.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] feels rebellious man

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 15:41:00 2011 No.3460958 File: 3 KB, 480x400, pcgraphpng.php.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3460900 I am you

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 15:46:00 2011 No.3460971 File: 3 KB, 480x400, pcgraphpng.php.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] the test is shit with stupid questions. oh well.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 15:47:00 2011 No.3460976 >>3460922 >compassionate yea, i believe your heart is in the right place. >rational HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 15:49:00 2011 No.3460983 I got slightly left and near the bottom. I don't think that describing political beliefs in two dimensions tells you much, though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 15:50:00 2011 No.3460988 I liked the questions about abstract art and not thinking about your problems.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 15:50:00 2011 No.3460989 >>3460983 yes it does.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 15:51:00 2011 No.3460991 File: 44 KB, 500x691, anders_behring_breivik_podozrivy_utok_teror_norsko_11_dailymail.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Cultural Marxists everywhere!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 15:51:00 2011 No.3460995 >>3460989 No, it doesn't.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 15:52:00 2011 No.3460999 >>3460995 yes it does.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 15:53:00 2011 No.3461004 >>3460999 No. It does not.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 15:53:00 2011 No.3461007 >>3460983 - economic freedom - social freedom what more axes do you propose?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 15:53:00 2011 No.3461008 >>3461004 yes it does.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 15:53:00 2011 No.3461011 >>3461004 yes, it does

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 15:54:00 2011 No.3461015 >>3461008 >>3461011 Nay, it does not.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 15:55:00 2011 No.3461018 >>3461015 yes it does.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 15:57:00 2011 No.3461022 >>3461015 but it does. locked. throwed the key into a lake.

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>>	Blackman Wed Jul 27 16:00:00 2011 No.3461036 File: 3 KB, 480x400, aahderp.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] "Mothers may have careers, but their first duty is to be homemakers." Tee-hee

Anonymous Wed Jul 27 16:00:00 2011 No.3461037

>>3461007
>what more axes do you propose?

The problem is not "not enough dimensions," it is describing things dimensionally in the first place. If I'm militantly anti-abortion and militantly anti-war on drugs, that would put me in the same place on the "social freedom" access as someone who is totally indifferent to both. And that's even without getting into people having the same position on a given issue for completely different reasons. The whole thing is absurd.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 16:01:00 2011 No.3461042 >>3461037 Um, axis. Axis is what I meant.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 16:02:00 2011 No.3461045 >>3461018 >>3461022 I'm afraid not, sir.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 16:05:00 2011 No.3461067 >>3460833 the hell is "right liberal"? you mean libertarian?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 16:06:00 2011 No.3461074 >>3461067 i mean, in the lower right square*. "libertarian" applied to the whole lower section. my bad.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 16:06:00 2011 No.3461075 If your political views do not tend towards centre/centre-left libertarianism then your political views are wrong (unless you're ok with being a selfish dick, in which case i guess i can't say they're wrong, but you are a selfish dick).

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>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 16:08:00 2011 No.3461084 >>3461075 >(unless you're ok with being a selfish dick, in which case i guess i can't say they're wrong, but you are a selfish dick). i'm just selfish. although you can throw in "inhumane" or some shit like that i guess.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 16:09:00 2011 No.3461085 File: 3 KB, 480x400, oh noes.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 16:10:00 2011 No.3461089 >>3461082 you know...I'm actually pretty socially conservative too....

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>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 16:13:00 2011 No.3461110 >>3461037 >militantly anti-abortion so you would kill to stop an abortion? fullretard.jpg

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 16:14:00 2011 No.3461113 so what does it mean if your dot is towards the bottom left corner? i has confused. seems like a decent amount of people that posted are like that

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 16:15:00 2011 No.3461123 >>3461113 it means you're a hipster faggot who smokes pot all day

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 16:15:00 2011 No.3461125 >>3461113 it means you believe it's okay to force people with wealth to cater to the needs of the poor. enjoy being as evil as republicans that send troops to iraq to die.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 16:17:00 2011 No.3461133 >>3461113 It means you are a socialist (leftwing).

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 16:19:00 2011 No.3461136 >>3461123 hey, i don't smoke pot ALL day >:(

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 16:19:00 2011 No.3461137 has anyone tried retaking the test but only choosing the "strongly" options? i did and my dot moved further up and to the right. but ideally my dot would be as far down and to the right as possible. i don't like the way the questions are phrased.

>>	Ludwig !9CUY39dDYo Wed Jul 27 16:23:00 2011 No.3461151 File: 3 KB, 480x400, politicalcompass.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Well, would you look at that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 16:23:00 2011 No.3461154 File: 3 KB, 480x400, pcgraphpng.php.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] welp...

Anonymous Wed Jul 27 16:24:00 2011 No.3461158
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Welp, about what I expected, however I didn't like the way the survey formed some of their questions. Though attempting to sound neutral, I believe it's agenda were to fish for and exploid predominantly liberal results. It did this by detailing a neutral, inspecific question for Liberal-related questions so it sounds reasonable, while then over simplifying Conservative-based questions so it sounds unreasonable.

Then again, asking these questions, followed by a detailed explination from the participating member would be a more accurate means of performing this test (although it's impossible for a simple survey, it's the right way of doing it).

Example:

"Is it ok to spank your children for the sake of discipline?"

Yes, however it's also important for the spanker to communicate why their child is getting spanked, so the child can associate (Insert bad action here) with negative consequence through physical pain (aka spanking). This way, when they grow older and actually become suseptible to societies' consequences which could ruin their lives if wrongfully done, they have developed at an early age to respect, or if nothing more tolerate, not doing something that would receive punishment. A simple "Strongly Disagree" to "Strongly Agree" is unacceptable, and non-representing.

Maybe I'm looking too much into it. It did the best with what it had.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 16:33:00 2011 No.3461200 I will love to see all the capitalist retards cry and cry when the socialist revolution shows itself as the path to human greatness. Cry more, faggots.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 16:37:00 2011 No.3461225 >>3461200 Yes of course. Socialism is what's gonna bring enlightened happiness amongst the masses, especially in America. You are right and in time the real world will prove you so.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 16:39:00 2011 No.3461233 >>3461225 Nah, America has no chance. Everywhere else in the world though will prosper.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 16:39:00 2011 No.3461235 >>3461158 Or perhaps conservatives are just unreasonable.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 16:42:00 2011 No.3461253 >>3461225 I think America will reach socialism thru civil war, and i don't think it's too far away, like less than twenty years.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 16:42:00 2011 No.3461256 File: 30 KB, 386x355, Snimka.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] And now this one: http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz its just 10 questions..

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 16:42:00 2011 No.3461257 >>3461158 That feel when by the time you have kids spanking them with be punishable by death

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 16:43:00 2011 No.3461261 File: 10 KB, 200x200, weeeeell.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3461235 >verifying his point

Anonymous Wed Jul 27 16:46:00 2011 No.3461286

>>3461158
>Yes, however it's also important for the spanker to communicate why their child is getting spanked, so the child can associate (Insert bad action here) with negative consequence through physical pain

hahahaha shut the fuck up. no physical abuse (and that's what hitting is, since it involuntarily causes pain) is necessary.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 16:51:00 2011 No.3461318 File: 9 KB, 509x481, imaginethat.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Who would have guessed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 16:52:00 2011 No.3461328 If you have emphaty and simphaty for the production of knowledge better than profit, then you are a socialist. If not, you are capitalist and should be punish for selfishness.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 16:54:15 2011 No.3461333 File: 3 KB, 480x400, pcgraph.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >mfw I'm Nader.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 16:59:00 2011 No.3461355 >>3461261 >>3461333 nice face you have i was -3.75, -3.74 basically the Dali Lama i wonder how mad china is at me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 16:59:00 2011 No.3461362 File: 3 KB, 480x400, pcgraphpng.php.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] AmICoolNow?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 17:01:00 2011 No.3461371 File: 3 KB, 480x400, pcgraphpng[1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] heres mine everyone too far off the mid is ignorant

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 17:07:00 2011 No.3461402 File: 91 KB, 1218x508, 123.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Yes, I'm a Libertarian.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 17:22:00 2011 No.3461452 File: 3 KB, 480x400, pcgraphpng.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3461371 This guy is spot on.

>>	resident /sci/ economist !!0CqB7P/574e Wed Jul 27 17:28:00 2011 No.3461479 File: 3 KB, 480x400, pcgraphpng.php.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is where I was prior to going to college.

>>	resident /sci/ economist !!0CqB7P/574e Wed Jul 27 17:28:00 2011 No.3461483 File: 3 KB, 480x400, april72011.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is me after going to college (and I am still in college)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 17:29:00 2011 No.3461485 File: 3 KB, 487x407, political2011-07-27.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3460805 Hm, current, I've gotten more to the left.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 17:29:00 2011 No.3461486 >>3461479 >>3461483 That explains why you have such a biased worldview, you have been brainwashed.

>>	resident /sci/ economist !!0CqB7P/574e Wed Jul 27 17:30:00 2011 No.3461490 >>3461486 How does that suggest Ive been brainwashed? How is my "worldview" biased?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 17:30:00 2011 No.3461493 >>3461486 What? We have all been brainwashed since birth.

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 17:32:00 2011 No.3461506 For reference: Bottom right: economic freedom, social freedom Bottom left: no economic freedom, social freedom Top left: no economic freedom, no social freedom Top right: no social freedom, economic freedom

Anonymous Wed Jul 27 17:32:00 2011 No.3461510
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Highly liberal thought Correlates with IQ. And people who mean well but are right wing don't understand that private tyrannical caused by undemocratic economic forces are nearly as bad as the authoritarian dictatorships.

Green FTW

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 17:32:00 2011 No.3461511 >>3461490 You went to college trusting less in capitalism and out more, thus you have been manipulated to defend this flawed system.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 17:33:00 2011 No.3461516 File: 18 KB, 250x245, 1300044776986..jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >2011 >having an Authoritarian/Libertarian score of >-5.00

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 17:33:00 2011 No.3461518 >>3461506 Oh fuck no, get away faggot, no one wants your siniester worldview. And still you haven not given me that last option from last night.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 17:34:00 2011 No.3461526 >>3461506 >Thinks 1 man owning 1 billion dollars and having economic power over thousands is freedom. Libertarian socialism is expanding democracy to the workplace, so fullretard managers can't be assholes to get a bonus without the majoirty support.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 17:35:00 2011 No.3461530 File: 3 KB, 480x400, pcgraphpng.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] anarcho-commie here can someone explain this one: >When you are troubled, it's better not to think about it, but to keep busy with more cheerful things.

resident /sci/ economist !!0CqB7P/574e Wed Jul 27 17:35:00 2011 No.3461533

>>3461511

Two things:

I dont think my education in economics has consisted of professors talking about how glorious capitalism is. That isnt what my education has been able.

Second of all, I dont think I sit around here defending capitalism. Nor do I really think I favor it more or less than before I entered college. I'd say, I spend an equal amount of time promoting and criticizing free market ideas (which dont equate to capitalism I think).

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 17:35:00 2011 No.3461536 >>3461518 That is the actual description of the quadrants. Link to what I did not answer.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 17:36:00 2011 No.3461538 >>3461530 Sticking to the status quo, basically being in red or blue, more blue though /b/rofist , libsoc/libcom here

>>	resident /sci/ economist !!0CqB7P/574e Wed Jul 27 17:37:00 2011 No.3461546 >>3461530 >>When you are troubled, it's better not to think about it, but to keep busy with more cheerful things. Fuck that shit!

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 17:37:00 2011 No.3461547 >>3461526 >2011 > thinking democracy does not mean majority force rule I hope you are not doing this.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 17:37:00 2011 No.3461551 >>3461536 It has already 404'd, for your convenience. And stop thinking that your definitions of systems are correct, because there are not. You don't understand how capitalism, socialism or anarchism works.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 17:38:00 2011 No.3461559 >>3461547 Not if the majority is brainwashed by the corrupted media, then it's not fair.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 17:39:00 2011 No.3461564 >>3461506 >>3461536 >>3461547 where do you score liberty

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 17:39:00 2011 No.3461565 >>3461551 What did you want answered? Stop thinking your personal and emotional hopes of what capitalism and socialism is, are accurate, factual, logical, or rational.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 17:43:00 2011 No.3461593 >>3461565 You are the one with emotional hopes that capitalism is working, or maybe is that you make profit of it, which would explain a lot of things. But for more than 90% of the world, capitalism does not work and you definitions are flawed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 17:46:00 2011 No.3461610 I wish there was a "Don't give a shit" option. Multinational companies are unethically exploiting the plant genetic resources of developing countries. They might be, but I don't really care.

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 17:48:00 2011 No.3461625 >>3461564 Extreme bottom right.

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 17:49:00 2011 No.3461629 >>3461593 Capitalism isn't practiced anywhere, so that would be impossible.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 17:50:00 2011 No.3461634 >>3461625 fuck yes my brother. >>3460971

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>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 17:51:00 2011 No.3461641 >>3461634 Good to see support for Liberty. It is very rare on this board.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 17:52:00 2011 No.3461644 >>3461625 I wanted your exact values.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 17:52:00 2011 No.3461645 >>3461530 i strongly disagreed. your feelings are trying to tell you something is wrong. and if something is wrong, you should find out what it is and change it.

>>	Ludwig !9CUY39dDYo Wed Jul 27 17:57:00 2011 No.3461664 >>3461641 Your use of the word liberty as a trip disgusts me. Conservatism can never be pro-liberty.

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 17:57:00 2011 No.3461669 >>3461664 How do you define conservatism?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 18:00:00 2011 No.3461680 Economic Left/Right: -9.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.77

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 18:03:00 2011 No.3461701 Politics, like culture, beliefs and history, aren't two-dimensional. You graphs are invalid. Stop trying to fit in. If you want to define yourself, do it yourself.

Ludwig !9CUY39dDYo Wed Jul 27 18:04:00 2011 No.3461708

>>3461669
I'm glad you asked.

Conservatism: Holding to traditional attitudes and values while being cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics and religion.

An example of a conservative opinion: Homosexuals should not marry. This is not very liberal. Am I wrong?

>>	Leon Trotsky Wed Jul 27 18:06:00 2011 No.3461719 File: 155 KB, 599x602, 1274208478659.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3461701 Finally!

Anonymous Wed Jul 27 18:08:00 2011 No.3461726

>>3461641
some of the questions were a bit fishy to me.

like the one asking whether the interests of the corporations or the people were more important.

i answered "people", but the interests of big business in a free market (to a lesser degree, a corporatist market) would benefit that of the people.

Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 18:09:00 2011 No.3461731

>>3461708

Given that vague definition, I am not a follower of conservatism.

In terms of marriage, the state has no part in marriage. Marriage is a contract between two individuals. I do not support any state banning marriage contracts between people. Keep in mind, faggots are not banned from marrying, they are simply not allowed to get government approval. I repeat, it is NOT illegal for fags to marry.

resident /sci/ economist !!0CqB7P/574e Wed Jul 27 18:09:00 2011 No.3461735

>>3461726

>i answered "people", but the interests of big business in a free market (to a lesser degree, a corporatist market) would benefit that of the people

I dont believe free markets imply better-ness. Free markets have the potential to fail.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 18:12:00 2011 No.3461750 File: 509 KB, 1000x1409, fannykaplan.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3461719 Go away, you obtuse leninist.

Ludwig !9CUY39dDYo Wed Jul 27 18:13:00 2011 No.3461755

>>3461731
The definition is supposed to be vague. I am not talking about the conservative movement in the United states, but conservatism as a general ideology.

It follows that you would consider yourself a libertarian, yes? Because if so I have no quarrel with you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 18:13:00 2011 No.3461756 Heh, the questions were bad. I ended up halfway down and half way to the right when I'm an anarchist.

resident /sci/ economist !!0CqB7P/574e Wed Jul 27 18:14:00 2011 No.3461761

>>3461756

Thats tough taking these when you are an anarchist. I remember when I was in high school, in AP government. We took a test like this. I was an anarchist at the time. I got "Moderate Conservative." I remember I raised my hand and just told the teacher I thought the test was wrong and that "anarchist" wasnt an option.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 18:17:00 2011 No.3461770 >>3461761 haha, similar thing happened to me. as an anarchist i always score as an "extreme conservative".

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 18:19:00 2011 No.3461784 File: 3 KB, 480x400, pcgraphpng.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] "Economically socialist, socially moderate" pretty much sums me up.

>>	Leon Trotsky Wed Jul 27 18:20:00 2011 No.3461789 >>3461750 "The reflection of nature in man’s thought must be understood not lifelessly but in the eternal process of movement, the arising of contradictions and their solution." MOAR

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 18:23:00 2011 No.3461808 >>3461770 I have left-wing views on economic issues, but despite thinking that I'm socially conservative I always turn up centrist on these tests. Dy'think it's because I'm a britfag and therefore don't understand what real (US) conservatism means ?

>>	resident /sci/ economist !!0CqB7P/574e Wed Jul 27 18:25:00 2011 No.3461814 >>3461789 Did you know Leon Trotsky's ashes were stolen by anarchists and baked into cookies? Its true. How does that make you feel?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 18:27:00 2011 No.3461822 >>3461814 Great anecdote, and i'm not even a full anarchist.

Leon Trotsky Wed Jul 27 18:31:00 2011 No.3461839
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>>3461814

Lol. Seriously, this is just funny, I don't worship him, I just admire his work.

"As long as I breathe I hope. As long as I breathe I shall fight for the future, that radiant future, in which man, strong and beautiful, will become master of the drifting stream of his history and will direct it towards the boundless horizons of beauty, joy and happiness!"

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 18:35:00 2011 No.3461858 >>3461839 His work can be split into two parts. The squashing of any hope to master the drifting stream of history outside of the bolchevik party. The obfuscation of the failures to master the drifting stream of history through the bolchevik party.

>>	Leon Trotsky Wed Jul 27 18:35:00 2011 No.3461860 File: 13 KB, 300x338, lenin.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3461822 And you are trying so hard Lenin is not even amused :/.

>>	Leon Trotsky Wed Jul 27 18:37:00 2011 No.3461873 >>3461858 >implying he didn't save October Revolution, and that the latter would have happened without the bolshevik party.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 18:40:00 2011 No.3461890 >>3461873 Sure, bolsheviks provoked the october revolution and made it through. That doesn't change the fact that they also provoked its failure. Maybe a revolution in may would have gone further.

resident /sci/ economist !!0CqB7P/574e Wed Jul 27 18:43:00 2011 No.3461902

>>3461839

I also liked that Trotsky once said that communism without democracy is impossible.

Whenever people talk about communism and democracy like they are opposite forces fighting each other I like to throw that quote out there.

Leon Trotsky Wed Jul 27 18:47:00 2011 No.3461918

>>3461890

OK, I didn't get your opinion right.
Trotsky wrote a book about the daily life of soviet cityzens, and also the life of the typical member of the Party, describing its bureaucratisation, which was one of the factors which lead to the failure of October, which wasn't predetermined. And as he says, the first lightbulb of Edison wasn't perfect.

(Yes, we know, he didn't invent it.)

>>	Leon Trotsky Wed Jul 27 18:50:00 2011 No.3461927 >>3461918 "freedom of discussion, unity of action." Do you remember your exact quote? I caoont find it on Wikiquote.

>>	Lastdemon !HFOJnI8n9U Wed Jul 27 19:26:00 2011 No.3462089 File: 3 KB, 480x400, Leftist.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3460971 American Libertarian >>3461085 Nazi >>3461158 Republican >>3461082 Communist >>3461371 Moderate >>3461530 Post-left Anarchist

>>	resident /sci/ economist !!0CqB7P/574e Wed Jul 27 19:36:00 2011 No.3462140 >>3461927 I was pretty sure it was "Communism without democracy is impossible" and I thought it was from a book. But I could be wrong.

>>	resident /sci/ economist !!0CqB7P/574e Wed Jul 27 19:37:00 2011 No.3462149 >>3462089 Wait, how is that guy a post-left anarchist? That cant get any more left. Im like the post-left anarchist. Look at me, Im so low yet so not-left. Also Im not actually an anarchist.

Lastdemon !HFOJnI8n9U Wed Jul 27 19:45:00 2011 No.3462190

>>3462149
I would think post-left anarchists would be as libertarian (south) as possible, like that guy almost is, while still being on the left.
After all the "Left" in this chart is talking about economics not government size.

Post-left means without the authoritarian aspects of socialism.
Anarchy means libertarian on the social scale.

resident /sci/ economist !!0CqB7P/574e Wed Jul 27 19:49:00 2011 No.3462211

>>3462190

I used to be a post-left anarchist. Post-left is just means "Lets not have anything to do with communism or socialism"

Anarchism by its nature is really leftist. Every kind of anarchy is like socialism without authoritarian aspects.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 19:51:00 2011 No.3462221 File: 3 KB, 480x400, pcgraphpng.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm Gandhi apparently.

>>	Lastdemon !HFOJnI8n9U Wed Jul 27 19:53:00 2011 No.3462226 >>3462211 At the end of the day, Post-left doesn't really mean anything at all. What, did they get tired of calling themselves Individualist Anarchists and listening to Max Stirner. Bob Black is a radical Individualist.

>>	resident /sci/ economist !!0CqB7P/574e Wed Jul 27 19:54:00 2011 No.3462233 >>3462226 Yeah, you are right. None of this stuff means anything. I "used to be" an anarchist. But what that really means is I "used to be" a person who called themselves an anarchist.

>>	None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 19:57:00 2011 No.3462250 File: 3 KB, 480x400, politom.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Social democrat open to the concept of free market capitalism within a sandbox.

>>	Leon Trotsky Wed Jul 27 20:13:00 2011 No.3462331 >>3462211 I think it also involves the immediate destruction of State, without intermediary step, contrary to socialism.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 20:14:00 2011 No.3462334 >>3462221 Ha. I got the same thing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 20:15:00 2011 No.3462336 >>3462211 What about the most plausible system of anarchy, anarcho-capitalism?

None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 20:18:00 2011 No.3462346

>>3462336
>plausible
If you mean "possible" then yes. If you mean "Good" then no way. Not at all

Public road systems would break down, the internet would stop working, and the education system outside of a few estabilshments independent of the government would break down. All regulation against false advertising and all safety standards would cease to exist. We'd essentially regress to a point of feudalism, until a theocracy established itself and things got moving again.

Anonymous Wed Jul 27 20:32:00 2011 No.3462414

>>3462346
>he thinks that when you take rocks out of a river, the water still flows around the hole left by the rock.

Obviously if it happened in one day it would be bad. If the government took 20 years, firing everybody slowly, auctioning assets, giving entrepreneurs time to get deals together for replacements, the society would be the most prosperous on earth within a few decades.

None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 20:36:00 2011 No.3462436

>>3462414
I really don't see any reason to believe that. I really like the idea of slowly easing into it though; Haven't heard that proposed before.
When we remove regulation in the current US system, recessions and depressions happen due to the lack of integrity within it. I don't understand how it would be possible for this to be avoided, given it would be possible for any corporation to behave fraudulently without any threat of legal reprimand

Also:
What's used in place of currency? There isn't enough gold for a country the size of the US

What do you think would happen when people are raped/murdered? would some kind of fair court come into existence?

>>	None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 20:38:00 2011 No.3462440 >>3462436 argh, I used really twice. Sorry :s

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 20:40:00 2011 No.3462456 File: 2 KB, 240x240, 20x34.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Superior political compass test taker reporting in.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 20:44:00 2011 No.3462479 Economic Left/Right: -4.62 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.56

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 20:44:00 2011 No.3462480 Anyone have a three dimensional version?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 20:52:00 2011 No.3462531 File: 41 KB, 567x505, Capture.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >/sci/ - leftism Q: If all scientists have "left" political views, does that make the right wing retarded?

Lastdemon !HFOJnI8n9U Wed Jul 27 20:53:00 2011 No.3462535

>>3462336
Implying that Anarcho-Capitalism would not eventually evolve into Libertarian-ism.
People pay for protection from private police company.
Police company gets so much power that it extorts money from businesses.
Police company becomes new government.

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 20:53:00 2011 No.3462536 >>3461814 That is hilarious given that Trotsky is basically the father of the neoconservative movement.

>>	None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 20:54:00 2011 No.3462550 >>3462536 but hes commy

Lastdemon !HFOJnI8n9U Wed Jul 27 20:58:00 2011 No.3462576

>>3462550
A number of Americans who had briefly been Trotskyites as youth rejected the left and became intellectual leaders of conservatism. They include James Burnham (1905–1987), Saul Bellow (1915-2005), Irving Kristol (b. 1920), Gertrude Himmelfarb (b. 1922), and Seymour Martin Lipset (1922-2006).

>>	None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 21:00:00 2011 No.3462586 >>3462576 STFu hes a commy bastard on a more serious note, can someone sympathetic to anarcho-capitalism respond to this? >>3462436

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 21:03:00 2011 No.3462607 >>3462550 Neoconservatism was born out of the left.

>>	None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 21:06:00 2011 No.3462624 >>3462607 are you sure they don't really want to distance themselves from the current US right wing? Most new political movements have support from former members of the left wing, counter-authority golf club

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 21:08:00 2011 No.3462632 >>3462624 No, neoconservatives are born from the left, from Trotsky.

>>	Lastdemon !HFOJnI8n9U Wed Jul 27 21:08:00 2011 No.3462633 >>3462607 I think Neoconservatism was influenced just as much if not more from the Nazis and Fascism as it was from Trotskyism.

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 21:10:00 2011 No.3462643 >>3462633 Fascism is the socialist and communists almost perfect wet dream put into action. The National Socialist German Worker's Party simply added in a nationalist aspect.

>>	None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 21:11:00 2011 No.3462650 >>3462643 Neoconservatism is regular conservatism with added religious moral law.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 21:11:00 2011 No.3462651 Economic Left/Right: -4.12 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.10 Essentially just a little to the right and down of Gandhi.

Anonymous Wed Jul 27 21:12:00 2011 No.3462661

>>3462643
The Nazis were not communists.
"Trade unions were abolished, as well as collective bargaining and the right to strike. The right to quit also disappeared: Labour books were introduced in 1935, and required the consent of the previous employer in order to be hired for another job."

They sure seem Populist!

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 21:19:00 2011 No.3462693 >>3462650 That is obviously the position of a person unfamiliar with neoconservatism past msnbc. >>3462661 They enforced strict government unions, with wage controls, price controls, etc.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 21:20:00 2011 No.3462703 File: 3 KB, 480x400, politicalcompass.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] That's right, bitches.

>>	Lastdemon !HFOJnI8n9U Wed Jul 27 21:21:00 2011 No.3462706 >>3462693 Fascism/Neoconservatism/Nazism/Socialism/Trotsky-ism. correct?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 21:21:00 2011 No.3462711 Apparently I'm Ghandi.

>>	blueshift !C3mb2PReIs Wed Jul 27 21:24:00 2011 No.3462726 File: 3 KB, 480x400, pcgraphpng.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 21:25:00 2011 No.3462735 >>3462693 The difference is, my position is mocking your position towards fascism and socialism.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 21:29:00 2011 No.3462754 File: 3 KB, 480x400, pcgraphpng.php.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 21:29:00 2011 No.3462757 File: 12 KB, 480x400, 1305267693613.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 21:30:00 2011 No.3462763 >>3462757 mis-spelt it. The correct term is "soshlesm" and anarchy is a subcategory of it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 21:30:00 2011 No.3462764 File: 3 KB, 480x400, pcgraphpng.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] luk im liek gandie

>>	Lastdemon !HFOJnI8n9U Wed Jul 27 21:33:00 2011 No.3462782 File: 14 KB, 300x300, Retard1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3462763 Anarchy = Socialism So Somalia is the same thing as Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union?

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 21:34:00 2011 No.3462787 >>3462706 Seems true. >>3462735 It is the literal truth.

>>	None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 21:34:00 2011 No.3462788 >>3462782 exactly like it >>3462787 in a non-literal sense, yes.

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 21:35:00 2011 No.3462792 >>3462782 Somalia has a government.

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 21:35:00 2011 No.3462796 >>3462788 Factually only.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 21:36:00 2011 No.3462799 File: 3 KB, 480x400, pcgraphpng.php.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] yup

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 21:36:00 2011 No.3462800 libertarian keep your hands off my shit and I'll keep mine off yours.

>>	None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 21:36:00 2011 No.3462802 >>3462796 within the confines of your mind and fox & friends

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 21:37:00 2011 No.3462806 >>3462802 This is the actual truth, it has nothing to do with me.

>>	None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 21:38:00 2011 No.3462808 >>3462806 Nope. I'm a socialist, and I disagree. By that fact alone, you are wrong.

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 21:39:00 2011 No.3462812 >>3462808 It is well documented that socialists support theft of labor and are thereby not relevant.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 21:40:00 2011 No.3462815 >>3462792 The official government does not have control over all of Somalia. If it did then where do the Pirates dock and trade?

>>	None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 21:40:00 2011 No.3462821 >>3462812 That's a completely different (also wrong point). You asserted something. You are wrong. You are too small to admit you are wrong, which I'd consider worse than the error itself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 21:43:00 2011 No.3462830 File: 3 KB, 480x400, polticsandstuff.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm sure I'm part of some kind of master-race.

Lastdemon !HFOJnI8n9U Wed Jul 27 21:43:00 2011 No.3462833
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>>3462812
Why do you use the term "theft of labor"
Don't you mean "theft of capital."
Where did you pick up that term, or did you just make it up?

I ask because theft of labor sounds like Marxism to me, when Marx attacked what he called "Exploitation of labor" by the owners of property.

Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 21:44:00 2011 No.3462834

>>3462815

The government of Somalia just this week banned the U.N. from giving food to people inside the country.

>>3462821

Nothing I have said is wrong. And socialists despise economic freedom, and that is why they support theft of labor.

>>	None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 21:44:00 2011 No.3462837 >>3462834 I am a socialist I do not despise ecconomic freedom I do not agree with the statements you are making You are wrong.

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 21:46:00 2011 No.3462841 >>3462833 Labor, actual labor. Capital and other labor traded for items are also looked down upon by socialists.

Anonymous Wed Jul 27 21:46:00 2011 No.3462842
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this test can be easily demostrated to be bullshit.

Try to score in the upper left hand corner. Basically, it scores general economic lefty positions as socially libertarian, even well... when they aren't.

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 21:47:00 2011 No.3462848 >>3462837 I believe it. Then you are not a socialist. Kudos. Incorrect.

None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 21:52:00 2011 No.3462864

>>3462842
the personality types are also all ridiculous. Pretty much the only well known "good guy" on there is Ghandi, and nobody is positioned anywhere near him. At least half of the political spectrum will fall into the category of "like ghandi" in all likelihood.
>>3462848
I'm not willing to continue this discussion, you seem like the kind of person who refuses to learn. It's not your fault, I just can't be of any service to you.

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 21:54:00 2011 No.3462868 >>3462864 I appreciate you giving up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 21:56:00 2011 No.3462880 I don't feel like taking it again, but I believe it was something like -10, -9.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 21:58:00 2011 No.3462888 >>3462833 have a link to that test?

None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 21:59:00 2011 No.3462894

>>3462868
Think about it.
You're denying my I believe something I do. You *can't* do that unless you know more about me than I do, which I am almost entirely certain you don't. You're therefore doing this for some other reason.
It could be because you take pride in your beliefs and don't want them challenged. If that's the case, then you clearly want politics to be important to you. By stifling opposition like this, you're making a big mistake and putting pride above rationality.

The fact you disagreed also shows that you think this conversation is important enough for you to reassert your beliefs. I can either be cynical and call that purely egotistical or I can suppose that it's because you want to educate me, in which case explaining what you believe, and why you feel socialism and communism to be kinds of fascism when perfectly put into action, would be a good idea

You're either claiming special knowledge, being intellectually dishonest, or restraining yourself for some other reason.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 22:00:00 2011 No.3462896 >>3462894 >I am not willing to continue this discussion You should have stopped there. Anti-Liberty isn't worth your time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 22:00:00 2011 No.3462897 File: 19 KB, 119x126, brainfuck.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3462848

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 22:00:00 2011 No.3462898 >>3462894 >socialism >economic freedom pick one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 22:01:00 2011 No.3462903 >>3462898 >capitalism >economic freedom Pick one.

Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 22:01:00 2011 No.3462904

>>3462894

If you told me you believed the world was flat, I would do the same. What you believe has no bearing on the truth.

Why would I attempt to point out the flaws in utopian socialism or utopian communism? That would go against the definition of a utopia.

>>	None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 22:02:00 2011 No.3462908 >>3462898 A++ Response! /s >>3462896 Everyone's worth my time. Hopefully, vice-versa.

>>	Lastdemon !HFOJnI8n9U Wed Jul 27 22:02:18 2011 No.3462907 File: 14 KB, 381x327, Left-Libertarian.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3462888 That wasn't a test. But here's another one.

>>	Lastdemon !HFOJnI8n9U Wed Jul 27 22:04:00 2011 No.3462917 >>3462888 That wasn't a test.

None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 22:04:00 2011 No.3462918

>>3462904
>If you told me you believed the world was flat, I would do the same. What you believe has no bearing on the truth.
I never asserted that my belief had any bearing on the truth. If you asserted that there are no British people who believe the earth is flat, and I said there were, would you claim I was lying?

>Why would I attempt to point out the flaws in utopian socialism or utopian communism?
I'm not asking you to. I'm asking you to evidence the claim
>Fascism is the socialist and communists almost perfect wet dream put into action.
Which seems sensationalist, hyperbolic, and false.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 22:06:00 2011 No.3462931 >>3462917 well fuck it and fuck you.

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 22:06:00 2011 No.3462934 >>3462918 Of course not, I do not know. You said perfectly put into action -- a utopia. The fact that the National Socialist German Worker's Party shares a lot of political wants with communism and socialism is, well, mere fact.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 22:08:00 2011 No.3462946 File: 3 KB, 480x400, pcgraphpng.php.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 22:10:00 2011 No.3462956

>>3462934
So you admit that by asserting that I wasn't a socialist, and/or that all socialists were fascists, you were wrong. Thanks.

the NSDAP wasn't socialist, it was opposed to both socialism and capitalism (though it took money from capitalists and had the help of a number of corporations). It was initially infiltrated by Hitler as a corporal in the weimar's military, but was then taken over by him and used for different purposes. Socialists, among others, were also taken to concentration camps during the war.

Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 22:12:00 2011 No.3462965

>>3462956

Of course not, I was answering the question you asked in the post I responded to. Did you forget you asked one?

>>3462956

The National Socialist German Worker's Party was indeed socialist. They strived for and put into action the public ownership of the means of production. They told businesses what to produce, when to produce, how much to produce, who to sell to, how much to charge, and where to buy goods from. Again, a socialists and communists wet dream.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 22:12:15 2011 No.3462966 problem with this test is that it assumes you would take political action based off your beliefs. i don't believe women or niggers are equal to white/asian males, but i support giving them equal rights because i still sympathize with them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 22:13:00 2011 No.3462971 >>3462965 hitler got germany out of a depression and became an economic powerhouse. therefore socialism works. u mad?

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 22:13:00 2011 No.3462972 >>3462966 That is a very odd position to take.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 22:14:00 2011 No.3462981 >>3462972 how so?

>>	Lastdemon !HFOJnI8n9U Wed Jul 27 22:15:00 2011 No.3462983 File: 6 KB, 256x106, HP-Gryffindor.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3462931 Try this test. http://www.thealmightyguru.com/Reviews/HarryPotter/Docs/Quiz-House.html

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 22:16:00 2011 No.3462988 >>3462966 What do you mean by 'not equal'? Surely there is still the posibility that a woman or black person could contribute to society and should be given the oppertunity to do so?

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 22:16:00 2011 No.3462989 >>3462971 I do not deny that theft of labor can "work" for a short period of time. I am not silly enough to support things that work if they aggress others, or steal the labor of the workers. This is why I do not support socialism.

None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 22:16:00 2011 No.3462992

>>3462965
I was assuming that in a convoluted way you had responded, given the two scenarios were Identical.
You assert that all socialists want fascism, I come forward as a socialist and tell you you are wrong, you deny it. I pose a hypothetical situation in which the same thing happens, and you don't deny it. I took that as agreement you had made an honest mistake.
>>3462965
In preparation for war. I have yet to see any reason to doubt that given their stark opposition to communists and usage of concentration camps on far-left political supporters they were anything but far right fascists.

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 22:16:00 2011 No.3462993 >>3462981 I have never heard it before.

Anonymous Wed Jul 27 22:18:15 2011 No.3463004

>>3462988
on average, niggers are definitely more stupid than whites.

there's no evidence to show that women are dumber than men, but based on what i've seen i think it's true.

i don't support equal rights because there's a few women or a few niggers that aren't stupid. i support it because i sympathize with any pain that discriminatory laws could cause.

hell, i sometimes i feel guilty about eating beef or pork.

Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 22:20:00 2011 No.3463010

>>3462992

Of course not, I was answering the question you posed, not another question.

You made conflicting statement about your alleged socialism, you said you are one, then changed your mind and said you were against theft of labor. The two are not separable.

The National Socialist German Worker's Party sent rightists, leftists, nazis, commies, etc to concentration camps.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 22:22:00 2011 No.3463018 >>3462983 Huffelbro master race

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 22:24:00 2011 No.3463025 File: 3 KB, 480x400, pcgraphpng.php.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This "test" has several biased questions with no real variation of answer choices and not enough of them to balance the broken questions out.

>>	Lastdemon !HFOJnI8n9U Wed Jul 27 22:24:00 2011 No.3463026 >>3463010 Liberty take my test! >>3462983 What house did the hat put you in? (Probably Slytherin.)

None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 22:25:00 2011 No.3463027

>>3463010
This is the last post I will make untill you re-address the claim you made in >>3462643. I am a socialist. I disagree. You are wrong.
I never said
1) Socialism was the theft of labour
2) I was against the theft of labour
Both were asserted by you.
Also
>NSDAP sent their own to the camps
They didn't send their own to camps because they were their own, they sent them for perceived crimes. Socialists and Communists were sent for being socialists and communists.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 22:25:00 2011 No.3463029 >>3463019 i got slytherin. >>3462931

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 22:26:00 2011 No.3463032 >>3463004 There was a large study done by Philippe Rushton that showed men, on average, have about 3.6 IQ points more than women. It makes sense too, because the man throughout history has always had to be the provider(which takes intelligence).

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 22:27:00 2011 No.3463036 File: 3 KB, 480x400, pcgraphpng.php.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Holy shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 22:27:00 2011 No.3463037 >>3463029 also, i was 1 point off of gryffindor.

>>	Lastdemon !HFOJnI8n9U Wed Jul 27 22:28:00 2011 No.3463039 File: 6 KB, 256x106, HP-Hufflepuff.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I know, I wanted to get Hufflepuff... But oh well Gryffindor is good too!

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 22:31:00 2011 No.3463048 >>3463019 I know nothing about Potter. I got the same picture as you. Gryffindor - 12 Ravenclaw - 12 Hufflepuff - 10 Slytherin - 10 >>3463027 Saying something does not make it true. I think you will agree.

None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 22:33:00 2011 No.3463057

>>3463048
I will. Saying that all socialists are fascists does not make that the case, especially when evidence- such as some socialists not being fascists- is present. You've made a mistake, please just own up to it so we can move on. I'm starting to feel sorry for you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 22:34:00 2011 No.3463060 >>3463057 why don't you stop replying to him? "i feel sorry for you" isn't going to ruin his day i don't think.

Anonymous Wed Jul 27 22:34:00 2011 No.3463061

these questions are terrible, and often leading.

just one lame question:

>Abstract art that doesn't represent anything shouldn't be considered art at all.

DURR

and no, I don't mean you are retarded if you put x answer, I mean you are retarded if you think this question makes sense.

and I am not that arty

>>	None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 22:34:00 2011 No.3463065 >>3463060 Because I'm not trying to win, I'm trying to help. It's pretty clear he's got a nasty confirmation bias/problem admitting he's made mistakes, and I'd rather help him if at all possible.

>>	Lastdemon !HFOJnI8n9U Wed Jul 27 22:35:00 2011 No.3463066 >>3463048 Dammit, I guess where both Brave, Chivalrous, and Courageous... I still wish I had been Hufflepuff...

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 22:35:00 2011 No.3463068 >>3463057 Saying you are not a fascist does not make it so. You are taking their word for it, without question, which is silly.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 22:36:00 2011 No.3463070 >>3463065 stop lying.

>>	None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 22:37:00 2011 No.3463073 >>3463068 I don't believe you're a neo-conservative. Saying you're one does not make it so. You will, however, agree that you are one.

>>	None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 22:38:00 2011 No.3463076 >>3463070 I'm not. I genuinely do not give a fuck about winning on the internet, though this might surprise you.

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 22:38:00 2011 No.3463077 >>3463073 Good, I'm not.

>>	None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 22:39:00 2011 No.3463078 >>3463077 lolque What are you?

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 22:41:00 2011 No.3463080 >>3463078 A person that supports Liberty of course.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 22:41:00 2011 No.3463081 File: 6 KB, 256x106, HP-Ravenclaw.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm >>3462880. Took the sorting quiz. Pic related.

>>	None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 22:41:00 2011 No.3463083 >>3463080 No you're not.

>>	Lastdemon !HFOJnI8n9U Wed Jul 27 22:41:00 2011 No.3463084 File: 3 KB, 128x128, images.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3463081 Good job!

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 22:42:00 2011 No.3463085 >>3463083 I disagree.

>>	None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 22:42:00 2011 No.3463088 >>3463085 No, you don't.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 22:42:00 2011 No.3463089 >>3463076 since it hasn't worked, will you stop saying things like "i feel sorry for you"? because i knew it wouldn't work. and i'm sure if i knew, you knew.

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 22:42:00 2011 No.3463090 >>3463088 Are you sure?

>>	None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 22:43:00 2011 No.3463093 >>3463090 How would you respond to that question in my situation?

>>	Lastdemon !HFOJnI8n9U Wed Jul 27 22:44:00 2011 No.3463096 >>3461625 Liberty is either an American Libertarian or classical liberalism (Free Market) supporter.

>>	None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 22:44:00 2011 No.3463098 >>3463089 why are you putting effort into stopping me? I'm not going to until I need to disconnect.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 22:45:00 2011 No.3463103 >>3463098 because i'm doing what you were doing. i'm acting like i care when actually i'm just being an ass.

>>	None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 22:47:00 2011 No.3463107 >>3463103 Harsh I think you actually care, even if the fact that you care is only manifesting itself as some kind of unfortunate need for superiority.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 22:47:00 2011 No.3463110 >>3463090 How did you get extreme bottom right? I got about in the middle of of the purple box, and I'm an anarcho-capitalist. how did you avoid the odd questions?

Anonymous Wed Jul 27 22:48:00 2011 No.3463115
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For the sake of science I collaborated all the "results" posted. I did this by layering all the graphs and removing the graph and leaving the dot.

The most interesting aspect were at least two of the test results were doctored images. I knew this from the dots not being identical to the others. Of these images the results were doctored to the left side of the graph.

Is 4chan too lazy to take the test or afraid not to be left?

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 22:49:00 2011 No.3463121 >>3463093 I would have never put myself into that situation.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 22:50:00 2011 No.3463122 >>3463107 >even if the fact that you care is only manifesting itself as some kind of unfortunate need for superiority you're probably right. were you trying to help by pointing this out? it's a bit blunt. in doing so, you come off as an uncaring ass.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 22:50:00 2011 No.3463123 I think the test is biased against authoritarian positions. I've tried my hardest to answer like stalin, and it still says I'm ghandi.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 22:50:00 2011 No.3463124 Economic Left/Right: 1.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.77

>>	Liberty !!nQrIRh+JHbs Wed Jul 27 22:51:00 2011 No.3463128 >>3463110 I am not sure which hard to answer questions helped me towards that position.

>>	None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 22:51:00 2011 No.3463129 >>3463121 Well, shit. Are you sure I'm not a socialist? >>3463122 You're on a science board, and you're on 4chan. Don't expect kindness for the sake of it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 22:53:00 2011 No.3463139 File: 68 KB, 807x607, american politics in a nutshell.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] libertarian socialism is the best, my friends

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 22:55:00 2011 No.3463145 File: 86 KB, 552x461, marx.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3463139 Maybe we could be friends.

Lastdemon !HFOJnI8n9U Wed Jul 27 22:56:00 2011 No.3463148

>>3463129
Why are you trying to prove to Liberty that you are not a fascist?
That is only an accusation that is thrown around both by the left and the right against one another.

Any political system can be called fascist, even democracy.

Was it not fascist of us to Impose democracy on the Iraqi and Afghani people?

! you should be confident with your Socialist position and not worry about being called a fascist for it, criticize Liberties views, not his taunts.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 22:57:00 2011 No.3463153 >>3463148 Liberty's*

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 22:57:00 2011 No.3463155 File: 3 KB, 480x400, pcgraphpng.php.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I really do have a chip on my shoulder from growing up poor

>>	None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 22:58:00 2011 No.3463157 >>3463148 >Why are you trying to prove to Liberty that you are not a fascist? I'm not. I'm trying to make him admit he's wrong, because he seems to be unable to do so. As soon as he does I'll probably go to sleep.

>>	Lastdemon !HFOJnI8n9U Wed Jul 27 22:59:00 2011 No.3463163 >>3463157 You are literally telling him what you want from him. So if he is just trolling you, you will be here all night.

>>	None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 23:00:00 2011 No.3463168 >>3463163 Yep. I'm an insomniac, and I have all of tommorow to sleep.

>>	odoyle Wed Jul 27 23:00:00 2011 No.3463173 File: 3 KB, 480x400, pcgraphpng.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] independent thinker

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 23:01:00 2011 No.3463175 >>3463155 hating people for being born into money is like hating someone for being born tall. trying to cut someone's legs off to level the playing field is dumb.

>>	None !iBNJP14QiA Wed Jul 27 23:02:00 2011 No.3463181 >>3463175 Agreed. Hating people who give their children unfair advantages, on the other hand

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 23:03:00 2011 No.3463184 >>3463175 >equating a rich person being stripped of money to any other person being stripped of the use of their legs THIS IS WHAT CONSERVATIVES ACTUALLY BELIEVE.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 23:04:00 2011 No.3463187 >>3463184 both are something you're born into. one is just a lot less dangerous to give up.

>>	resident /sci/ economist !!0CqB7P/574e Wed Jul 27 23:09:00 2011 No.3463215 >>3463115 One of mine was like three years old, and had an old dot. It wasnt doctored, but I also see you didnt include it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 23:13:00 2011 No.3463238 >>3463215 Ah that might explain it. I got a couple that looked like they were made in MS paint lol. But yeah I didn't include any of them that looked off. Not that anything of these dumb tests on 4chan is accurate on anything.

>>	resident /sci/ economist !!0CqB7P/574e Wed Jul 27 23:20:00 2011 No.3463256 >>3463238 Yeah, these tests are kind of flimsy. It would be really interesting to see how the various boards of 4chan compare.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 23:21:00 2011 No.3463263 >>3463256 nah. almost all users are in the green.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 23:26:00 2011 No.3463289 File: 3 KB, 480x400, pcgraphpng[1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Very high IQ and 99th percentile test scores on basically any standardized test I've ever taken.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 23:29:00 2011 No.3463299 File: 3 KB, 480x400, PoliticalCompassGraph.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Left-leaning centrist? I'm seeing a trend here.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 23:41:00 2011 No.3463356 >>3463289 i think we've finally gathered enough evidence proving that anarcho-socialism is the way to go folks.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 23:44:00 2011 No.3463367 File: 3 KB, 480x400, graph.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Eh, I'm not surprised, though I really donut care.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 23:44:00 2011 No.3463375 File: 3 KB, 480x400, pcgraphpng.php.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Yep.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 23:45:00 2011 No.3463382 >>3463375 welcome to the club. we're the few and the proud.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 23:47:00 2011 No.3463391 File: 8 KB, 541x427, dot.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Lastdemon !HFOJnI8n9U Wed Jul 27 23:48:00 2011 No.3463398 File: 60 KB, 600x398, 0131-ATEAPARTY-TEA-PARTY-TAXES_full_600.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3463382 The Tea Party.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 23:48:00 2011 No.3463402 >>3463398 good god no.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 27 23:52:00 2011 No.3463435 >>3463367 And with the sorting quiz, Ravenclaw. Ravenclaw - 14 Hufflepuff - 13 Gryffindor - 11 Slytherin - 8

>>	John Boehner !JbOehnERtM Thu Jul 28 00:00:00 2011 No.3463475 File: 38 KB, 600x447, 5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3463398 >>3463382 you niggas are alright.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 28 00:39:00 2011 No.3463711 File: 3 KB, 480x400, guys...png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ...master race?

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