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Anonymous Mon Jul 25 04:04:45 2011 No.3446340 [Reply] [Original]

How genetic is intelligence?

inb4 'how could you ask that, such a stupid question'.

I'm not very sciencey. I'd like a full on explanation though please.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 04:05:45 2011 No.3446350 http://www.loni.ucla.edu/~thompson/PDF/TT_ARN05.pdf

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 04:05:45 2011 No.3446349 That's still one of the mysteries in neuroscience

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 04:06:45 2011 No.3446355 http://neuro.cjb.net/content/29/7/2212.full.pdf+html

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 04:08:45 2011 No.3446368 File: 55 KB, 625x257, heritable.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3446349 >That's still one of the mysteries in neuroscience See pic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 04:31:45 2011 No.3446458 >>3446368 So...once an idiot always an idiot?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 04:35:45 2011 No.3446470 >>3446458 Actually, it's something closer to "Once an idiot, never a genius."

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 04:35:45 2011 No.3446472 >>3446458 >he doesn't even know what "intelligence" is. How genetic are emotions?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 04:38:45 2011 No.3446486 >>3446472 Fairly genetic actually... How else would you explain the uniformity throughout the entire human species?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 04:38:45 2011 No.3446490 but through training it's possible to raise your IQ right? genetics determines what it is initially, and environment doesn't really play a role, but through certain training (puzzles for an hour every day) it can be raised?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 04:39:45 2011 No.3446495 File: 23 KB, 409x212, 1306724983894.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3446490 >and environment doesn't really play a role

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 04:41:45 2011 No.3446502 >>3446490 i ask because my IQ is probably 100-110. but i don't want to be average. i want to be able to comprehend and process information quickly.

Anonymous Mon Jul 25 04:43:45 2011 No.3446509

>>3446490
Yes you can train yourself to get a higher IQ,but IQ is bullshit.

Also,yes intelligence has genetic factors. But environment is a bigger factor. You can have perfect genetics,but raised by idiots,and will be an idiot. you might be smarter than other idiots you share your culture with,but a person with bad genetics and good environment will still beat you.

Anybody who says,genetic factor is bigger than environment , is a retard.

Anonymous Mon Jul 25 04:43:45 2011 No.3446510

>>3446502

IQ is a notoriously simple way of deriving intelligence. It usually just measures calculation and visual capacity.

Not to say that it's not a valuable way of determining some parts of intelligence, but it's not the final word.

You can still increase your intellect through study.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 04:43:45 2011 No.3446512 >>3446502 >i ask because my IQ is probably LOL SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH PROBABLY!

Anonymous Mon Jul 25 04:44:45 2011 No.3446514

>>3446509
>Also,yes intelligence has genetic factors. But environment is a bigger factor

I disagree and agree. It can go either way, but it depends on the difference between the people you are studying to make such an assessment.

Genetics literally structure how your brain works. To write that off is quite ignorant.

Anonymous Mon Jul 25 04:46:45 2011 No.3446519

>>3446490
I've heard something more like genetics determines your maximum and minimum potential and how easily you would improve intelligence and environment effects how close to your maximum potential you get, but I'm probably completely wrong. Also intelligence isn't a constant, it changes in both directions through out your life.

I'm probably totally wrong though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 04:47:45 2011 No.3446522 >>3446368 String theory is well-studied, but we still don't have a Unified field theory. Fucking idiot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 04:48:45 2011 No.3446528 File: 688 KB, 1938x946, bruce lee.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] There are no limits.

Anonymous Mon Jul 25 04:49:45 2011 No.3446538

>>3446514
Its just like bodybuilding actually.
If you workout,you get better.If you dont you dont get better.
Genetics is huuuuugee factor in bodybuilding.Intelligence is just like that.
Also,i seriously dont know why are people obsessed with intelligence. You dont need to have 140+ iq to do science. There are many smart people who are just "retards" in my opinion.
This whole IQ thing is like penis size..

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 04:51:45 2011 No.3446547 >>3446538 my fascination with it is an emotional one. i respect intelligent people. the higher my IQ the faster i can attain information and be like them. but even if a motorboat would get me across the atlantic faster, a rowboat can too.

Anonymous Mon Jul 25 04:53:45 2011 No.3446553

>>3446519
It doesnt determine your maximum or mininum. It determines your starting point,and how fast you can improve.
You cant measure your intelligence with IQ,so we dont really know maximum. But i know,that you can study IQ tests like studying calculus,organic chem etc. and get over 140 points. And write a "self-improvement" book and get rich.Some people still do that...

Iq is not bullshit,but it is wrong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 04:56:45 2011 No.3446568 IQ measures your intelligence as well as BMI measures your body fat percentage.

>>	‬‭‮‪‫‬‭‮‫‬‭‮‪‫‬‭‮‫‬‭‮‪‫‬‮suomynonA‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬ !exe.XAHdjk Mon Jul 25 04:56:45 2011 No.3446569 File: 17 KB, 262x313, 1309673557709.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >"my IQ is average+" >causes miniature faecal deluges My IQ is 130.

Anonymous Mon Jul 25 05:01:45 2011 No.3446590

Well the good thing is,being average is always good. Most of the scientist have average or just above average intelligence,but they work really really really hard(there are exceptions,dont fucking call names like gauss ,da vinci etc, iq wasnt invented back then).And einstein never took an iq test. Feynman had above average iq..
If i were really gifted,like 140+ IQ and still wasting my time on posting on /sci/,i would be ashamed of myself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 05:02:45 2011 No.3446592 >>3446568 Pretty damn well in 95% of individuals and almost perfectly when dealing with larger groups?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 05:03:45 2011 No.3446598 >>3446592 um, yes actually. did i make it sound like i believed otherwise?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 13:35:45 2011 No.3448188 >>3446509 >>Anybody who says,genetic factor is bigger than environment , is a retard. You know better than actual neurologists, then? See: >>3446368 They state outright that genetics is a bigger factor.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 13:36:45 2011 No.3448197 We don't know what intelligence is so we can't give a good answer.

Anonymous Mon Jul 25 13:40:45 2011 No.3448220

Opening wikipedia is not that goddamn hard...

>Estimates in the academic research of the heritability of IQ have varied from below 0.5[2] to a high of 0.9.[5] A 1996 statement by the American Psychological Association gave about .45 for children and about .75 during and after adolescence.[6] A 2004 meta-analysis of reports in Current Directions in Psychological Science gave an overall estimate of around .85 for 18-year-olds and older.[7]

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