/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.3446005]

Hey guys an ex-friend sent this to me recently and I was freaked out by it. I told him it can't be true but he insists that it is. Long story short I can't find any conclusive answer on-line and I don't really know the places to look.

And that's why I need your help.

[Anonymous No.3446021]

Not sure if rumor, but Einsteins brain was supposedly lighter than the average.

[Anonymous No.3446022]

probably true since whites reproduce so rarely and blacks so often that the average black american is 12 and the average white is 50.

[Anonymous No.3446025]

Halp me /sci/!

[Anonymous No.3446027]

>>3446005
An elaphent has a brain several times larger than any human....

[Anonymous No.3446031]

>>3446022
okay that's not helpful but thanks for your opinion.

[Anonymous No.3446035]

>>3446027
So what? That's unrelated.

[Anonymous No.3446046]

Did your ex-friend also show the difference in size of the white and black penis? I'm sure this information is relevant

[Anonymous No.3446047]

>>3446031
>>3446035

>doesn't even see the correlation the poster is making or is ignoring it and doesn't want to make an argument against it.

He's claiming that if brainsize did in fact matter, then elephants would be smarter than humans are.

[Anonymous No.3446052]

>>3446047
That's not what I'm asking though, so it doesn't matter. Get over it and help answer the question I asked or shut up about it.

[Anonymous No.3446056]

>>3446046
Not answering the question, facile assumptions.

[Anonymous No.3446070]

Come on /sci/ this is either true or it isn't. There is no gray area (pun intended).

[Anonymous No.3446079]

If not troll, I'll bite: Measuring brain weight and volume is especially difficult because of the conditions in which you get your hands on the brain. Usually, you cannot get the brain of a 25 year old at his peak. You will have to wait until whatever ripe old age the patient dies. The brain is atrophied due to the numerous effects of aging and possibly Alzheimer's, as well as many other diseases which can have neurodegenerative peripheral effects.

The "researcher" most likely cherry picked brains in the black/white groups, excluding the larger brains of the black group. It's reasonable that bias affected the results to schew the average by 160cc. But without a source, we are all only guessing.

[Anonymous No.3446082]

>>3446005

eugenics: after biogenetic, a science, before biogenetic, in the same space from lamarkism, and.....synapse, think about...

if you are a troll....0,2/100

[Anonymous No.3446083]

>>3446005
OP you could easily google the papers cited at the bottom of your pic.

I'll go ahead and do that for you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craniometry#Criticisms_and_revival_of_past_cranial_theories_in_the_20th
_century

It would appear that the brain size for black americans isn't accurate because african blacks were included in the sample, and they have significantly smaller brains than american blacks, due to slightly different gross morphology.

however the idea in your picture is supported to varying degrees. Blacks tend to have smaller brains than whites.

now correlating that to intelligence is going to be difficult given the problems with EQ.

[Anonymous No.3446087]

>>3446079
The source is on the image, yet I find it frightening that you so quickly jump to the conclusion that the results MUST be skewed due to bias. Lets keep emotion and politics out of this where possible.

[Anonymous No.3446091]

>>3446047

Brain size does matter, but more specifically it's the ratio of brain to body size.

Elephants are pretty smart as far as animals go, but they need to dedicate a lot more of their gray matter to control their nervous system and autonomous functions than we do.

[Anonymous No.3446095]

>>3446083
You have got to be kidding me...

Blacks REALLY, REALLY have smaller brains? Like really, really?

[Anonymous No.3446101]

>>3446095

On average. This doesn't necessarily lead to the conclusion you think it does, though.

[Anonymous No.3446106]

haven't read any posts yet.
But I'll try to foresee them before I do.
It's their culture, everyone is equal. Humans can differ in every aspect escept brains etc.

[Anonymous No.3446109]

Op here, thanks for the answers, let me make sure I am on the right page.

Blacks DO have smaller brains than whites, but this does not affect intelligence or cognitive ability. I will grudgingly apologize to my friend who sent me this image.

[Anonymous No.3446113]

>>3446101
Well it means that they are a RACE of people who have a smaller brain than my RACE of people. This means that interbreeding with them will possibly result in SMALLER brains for my genetic line in the future.

[Anonymous No.3446116]

>>3446087
>The source is on the image, yet I find it frightening that you so quickly jump to the conclusion that the results MUST be skewed due to bias. Lets keep emotion and politics out of this where possible.

0/10

You have no reading comprehension. Read the last sentence. I clearly implied that I was only speculating.

By the way, I wasn't "jumping" to the "conclusion" (even though it wasn't a conclusion, faggot) of bias. Bias in measuring skulls or brains across races is nothing new. Look up Morton's skulls and how he completely botched it in favor of whites by choosing more females in the black and native american samples.

[Anonymous No.3446118]

>>3446095
what, you think morphology is blind?

you know there's differences between blacks and whites, otherwise we'd make no distinction.

was that the only point you wanted to make, troll?

[Anonymous No.3446119]

[Anonymous No.3446122]

>>3446118
It's just really shocking to be fed pc bullshit about all of us being so similar and equal and all that. And then to find out that in fact there is this HUGE GLARING fact that is not taught or acknowledged. And when it IS acknowledged, the person bringing it up is a racist.

You guys actually hate ME for bringing this up, when I got this from a friend who I hated when he sent it to me.

[Anonymous No.3446127]

>>3446113

do you have a race? oh, that's a new biological discovery, someone find this, we need to make exams

[Anonymous No.3446133]

>>3446127
Yeah, apparently a race of humans with larger brains than others. Can you deny it now?

[Anonymous No.3446134]

>>3446122
it is racist to assume brain size=intelligence.

it's also ignorant of the intelligence of children, dwarfs, women, giants, and retards to assume such.

however the fact is some people have smaller brains than others. women have smaller brains than men on average. women are more intelligent than men on average. so size doesn't much matter in that respect.

[Anonymous No.3446136]

>>3446122


for the love of god can we stop with the capitals for emphasis.

Okay even if a certain race were by some chance obviously inferior to a different one the point of equality is that they are still inherently human...You missed the point of equality.

[Anonymous No.3446140]

>>3446136
>obviously inferior to a different one the point of equality is that they are still inherently human...You missed the point of equality.

So you are literally telling me to make my genetic line worse for the benefit of another? That is your great human proposal, is it?

[Anonymous No.3446144]

>>3446136
For the love of god can we stop saying for the love of god?

[Anonymous No.3446145]

>>3446140

No one's making you breed with black people.

[Anonymous No.3446146]

There is a group of people in Ecuador with a mutation causing them to have extremely small heads (and therefore brains). Guess what? They actually have better grades in school than their peers.

[Anonymous No.3446150]

>>3446134
>women are more intelligent than men on average

Must explain why everything field that requires hard logic such as science, engineering, and mathematics is full to the brink with men. CUZ THEY DUM!

[Anonymous No.3446156]

>>3446140
Not even samefag, but he didn't even imply that. Fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.3446154]

>>3446133

yes, females have smaller brains than males, biological fact, but talk this to your mother with same intention who you think about "race"

[Anonymous No.3446155]

>>3446136
So in affect, quality is a ruse carried among adults to ensure tranquility. And this great lie is taught to all so that all may be confused?

[Anonymous No.3446157]

>>3446005
Even if it was a proven scientific fact, what would it mean? Nothing

Are there blacks who are smarter than whites. Yes
If there exceptions to your hypothesis then it can't be a scientific fact or law.

It's okay to be racist but it's not okay to claim your beliefs are scientific laws.

[Anonymous No.3446158]

>>3446140
why do you assume that a smaller brain is inferior? women have smaller brains than you, but they'd see the problems with your logic far more quickly than you do.

your larger brain strikes me as inferior, given the results.

[Anonymous No.3446160]

>>3446156
No actually he really did. Equality is the DRIVING force behind mutli-culti race mixing.

And if equality is a big fat lie...

[Anonymous No.3446161]

>>3446136

Actually, it depends on your definition of human. Non-negros have a good percentage of Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon mixture in their genetics.

What is the measure of a human, then? Negroids never interbred with either Cro-Magnons or Neanderthals.

[Anonymous No.3446164]

>>3446158
Oh look, now I have a small brain. /sci/ience!

[Anonymous No.3446167]

>>3446005
Could nutrition play a role? America's black population largely hasn't recovered from the centuries of oppression, so they have to consume "orange drink", instead of orange juice.

[Anonymous No.3446168]

I'll give you a 5/10 for the creativity.

[Anonymous No.3446169]

>>3446161
>Because they still are.
We still are all different...

[Anonymous No.3446175]

>>3446160
>social darwinism, social darwinism everywhere

[Anonymous No.3446178]

>>3446150
on average.

men tend to be either very smart or very dumb. women tend to be average to above average.

[Anonymous No.3446179]

>>3446161

negroids? definition of human? sir, the XIX century is that way, turn left and go ahead

[Anonymous No.3446174]

>>3446158

You sound like a feminist trying to make every single topic related to how womyn are so uber amazing and cool.

Go do it in a corner.

[Anonymous No.3446181]

Today on /sci/ I learned that black people have smaller brains than I do and that equality is a social lie. I also learned that saying so openly will get me branded a racist, instead of a truthful person.

[Anonymous No.3446184]

The fact that there does exist a black man with a larger brain than a particular white man still leaves no distinguishable single trait that would leave us with separate races
There are still no races for humans today

[Anonymous No.3446187]

>>3446175
They have smaller brains than we do. They are not like us.

[Anonymous No.3446192]

>>3446181

>implying anyone called him a racist

[Anonymous No.3446195]

>>3446181
Biology doesn't answer to peer review, just to political correctness.

[Anonymous No.3446197]

>>3446184
How did you miss the point that blacks have smaller brains than whites? If you crack open a black skull and remove his brain, and put it next to a white one, it is smaller.

You're stuck in doublethink.

[Anonymous No.3446198]

>>3446167

Oh boy. Here come the oppression fantasies.

The truth of the matter is that pure negros straight from Africa have brains even smaller than American Blacks. That is because blacks in the US are fairly mixed.

[Anonymous No.3446199]

>>3446181

no, you don't learned. stay studing, you will be fine, i hope

[Anonymous No.3446200]

>>3446181
of course equality is a lie... unless we're talking about some twins.

people are different, it's not racist to notice this. It's racist to think your differences make you better if they don't.

this one doesn't.

[Anonymous No.3446203]

Are some of you trying to tell me that taller people smarter than those who are shorter?

[Anonymous No.3446206]

>>3446005

>310 posts and 94 image replies omitted. Click Reply to view.

10/10

Your doing a great job keep up the good work.

[Anonymous No.3446202]

>>3446192
scroll through the thread you passive aggressive asshole

[Anonymous No.3446210]

>>3446200
It means that I have literally more brains than blacks do. And it means that is a racial trait. If you consider more brains to be good, brainier, big brain, etc. then I am factually superior in that aspect.

[Anonymous No.3446215]

>>3446184


LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Do you honestly believe if you keep repeating something, it'll become true?

Do you whisper to yourself constantly that race doesn't it?

[Anonymous No.3446216]

>>3446197
Am I? Are you telling me that there does not exist a single black man that has a larger brain than that of any white man?

Are you going to assure that for me?


If brain size is the distinguishable trait, and there was a white man that had a brain that was the "average" size for that of a black man, then how is the trait distinguishable?

try again

[Anonymous No.3446221]

>>3446210
true, but you won't meet a biologist alive that actually believes that 2nd grade crap. brain size doesn't correlate well to intelligence.

it's fun though, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.3446223]

>>3446216
Look, I came here to debunk a friend and ended up proving him right. Get over it, blacks have smaller brains than whites. It's just the truth.

[Anonymous No.3446227]

>>3446134
>it is racist to assume brain size=intelligence.

Why the fuck would anyone interested in fact, care if it's racist? I want cold hard documented fact. I do not want your emotional bullshit and your bawwwwwwwwwwwww.

This is a board about science. Science is not based on emotional opinions and blatant bullshit. If you want to study opinions, go into politics.

[Anonymous No.3446229]

>>3446215
Well, I am holding to the fact that there is no single distinguishable trait or gene that can surely differentiate between what we perceive to be races.

If you want to give me another definition that I could use to classify humans under races, other an a definite distinguishable trait or gene, I will consider it, but be wary of just defining ethnicity.

[Anonymous No.3446235]

>>3446223
I don't think you understood what I was saying

[Anonymous No.3446236]

>>3446221
>but you won't meet a biologist alive that actually admits

[Anonymous No.3446240]

What was the brain back that American football players use? I'm not sure if it would help but it's a start.

[Anonymous No.3446241]

>>3446235
Obviously not. Lets both give it a second try.

[Anonymous No.3446244]

>correlation/causation
>herp derp

[Anonymous No.3446245]

>>3446223

we agreed to that a while ago i think, unless youre also saying brain matter equates to intelligence, then no.

[Anonymous No.3446250]

>>3446227
ok, facts.

whales and elephants have brains far larger than humans.

whales and elephants are noticeably less intelligent than humans.

women have smaller brains than men. women are more intelligent than men.

I probably have a smaller brain than you. I am demonstrably more intelligent than you.

etc. ad infinitum

[Anonymous No.3446251]

FUCKING BIGOTS IN THIS THREAD WOWWWW

BIG DEAL, BLACKS HAVE SMALLERS BRAINS, BUT GET WHAT YOU RACIST FUCKS, WHO'S GOT THE BIGGER DICK? YEAH, WE DO, SO FUCK YOU!

WHAT ARE ALL YOUR BRAINS GOING TO DO WHEN IM FUKIN YOR WIFE, EH? FUCKING LITTLE FAGGOTS IN HERE

BEING RACIS IS SO COOL ON THE INTERNET HUH?

[Anonymous No.3446255]

>>3446245
So you're saying there are no racial differences at all? A bigger muscle does not mean strength? A taller height does not equal vertical reach?

[Anonymous No.3446256]

>>3446241
I'm not denying that the report of the average brain size of blacks could be true. However, because there does exist a single white man, the same height as a black man, with a smaller brain than that specific black man (I think this is a pretty safe assumption), then the trait cannot be used to definitely distinguish between 'races.'


If brain size was the distinguishable trait, than the white man would be classified as black because of his brain size, but he is not.

[Anonymous No.3446260]

>>3446251

[Anonymous No.3446261]

>>3446250

Holy shit, your entire post is just assumption after assumption. How is this supposed to be fact?

>women have smaller brains than men. women are more intelligent than men.

I think you're just trolling me now. Good job, you've succeeded in fucking annoying me.

[Anonymous No.3446262]

brain size doesn't necessarily mean anything.


if you want proof of black inferiority, just read up on studies proving that IQ and personality traits are mostly genetic, and then show correlation between IQ and income. blacks with similar IQs to whites make about the same income, while the average black doesn't. so the average black is poorer.

[Anonymous No.3446263]

>>3446251
this post has the same intellectual weight as the arguments going on in this thread. Not saying anyone's argument is wrong, just saying this has definitely turned into troll-debates.

[Anonymous No.3446264]

>>3446250
>women are more intelligent than men.

[Anonymous No.3446266]

>>3446256
I'm not entertaining your speculation.

[Anonymous No.3446268]

>>3446262

Elephants have large brains, they must be planning something...

[Anonymous No.3446269]

>>3446263
oh pipe down there is plenty of discussion.

[Anonymous No.3446270]

>>3446251

>LOL MUH DIK WHITEY LOL MUH DIK WHITEY MAD LOL MUH DIK

You're not doing your argument any justice.

[Anonymous No.3446271]

I think my work is done here.

back to check in a few hours.

have fun guys, morphologist out.

[Anonymous No.3446273]

>>3446198
>He doesn't know that that African immigrants make up over 40% of the black population at ivy league schools. Which completely contradicts his his assumptions.

>http://newsone.com/nation/news-one-staff/black-immigrants-overrepresented-at-ivy-league-schools/

>“Immigrant blacks,” who come from families who have emigrated from the West Indies or Africa, make up 41 percent of the black population of Ivy League schools, according to a 2007 study by Princeton and University of Pennsylvania researchers. In contrast, black immigrants only make up 13 percent of the black population of 18-19 year olds in the United States.

You came to the wrong board if you think you can get away with claiming your feelings are proven facts.

[Anonymous No.3446275]

>>3446266
So you will say with assurance that every single black man has a smaller brain than every single white man with respectively similar height?

[Anonymous No.3446276]

I am going to see the world in a whole new light. Like a chimpanzee sees other monkeys. Part of my species but fundamentally different from me.

[Anonymous No.3446284]

>>3446270
>>3446270
>>3446270
>>3446270
Negroes have subjected whites to this for years. Don't pretend it's anything new.

[Anonymous No.3446286]

>>3446273

You do realize that the only black immigrants from Africa, are the the very wealthy men and their families right? It's fairly obvious why they do better than the American blacks.

Just because the majority of negros are dumb, does not mean they all are. It's called percentages.

[Anonymous No.3446287]

>>3446284
And this is why we hold that negroes are inferior.

[Anonymous No.3446291]

>>3446286
Yeah seriously. We are getting the top of the top 1% here to go to school. So by your own logic, the best of the best black men can be a marginal white academically.

[Anonymous No.3446294]

>>3446276
There is only one species of the common chimpanzee. The Bonobo is sometimes referred to as a type of chimpanzee, but it is a seperate species.

Chimpanzees cannot produce fertile offspring with other species of monkeys.

poor analogy

[Anonymous No.3446295]

>>3446273

Pretty extreme bias there, to consider your one study authoritative while dismissing the countless studies that support the OP's position.

Do you really suppose immigrants qualified to get into an Ivy League school represent the average black?

[Anonymous No.3446296]

Brain mass (speaking for just homo sapiens) does not correlate to smarter genetics. In fact, brain mass used to be measured by pebbles. They tried to compare brain mass in different races; from there scientists tried to compare the different sizes of brian mass between men and women. From there, all research on brain mass was halted and considered inconclusive.

[Anonymous No.3446297]

>>3446294
Yeah but unfortunately my larger brained species can breed with the smaller brained ones, and they have a giant media industry to promote it!

[Anonymous No.3446302]

>>3446297
do you know what a species is?

[Anonymous No.3446304]

So let me get this straight, we're arguing whether or not blacks are less intelligent than whites, correct?

[Anonymous No.3446308]

Anyone have "legitimate" studies on race/IQ besides The Bell Curve? Not trying to troll

[Anonymous No.3446310]

>>3446296
Lol because no one wants to go against the paradigm and say that white men are smarter, more logical and critically thinking than women and blacks.

[Anonymous No.3446312]

>>3446302
Yes. Do you?

Brain mass and body size ratios is the hypothetical method of measuring intelligence.

[Anonymous No.3446313]

>>3446255
>A bigger muscle does not mean strength?

Additional water mass without a proportionate fibril increase would result in bigger muscles but actually make you weaker overall (this is what's commonly referred to as flabby muscle). Muscles can also be optimized for endurance rather than strength.

>A taller height does not equal vertical reach?

Not if you have shorter arms.

[Anonymous No.3446315]

>>3446304
yes.

but also if it's genetic or environmental.

if it's environmental, liberals will use it to force whites to pay for niggers.

if it's genetic....well you know.

[Anonymous No.3446316]

>>3446302
I'm starting to understand that is NOT what I have been told my whole life, considering it can be definitely proven that one TYPE of humans has a smaller brain than another.

[Anonymous No.3446318]

nutrition.
whites are on average richer and thus have a better diet. blacks are on average poorer and have a poorer diet. brain size might be causally linked to that.

[Anonymous No.3446319]

Everyone who migrated out of Africa and interbred with other Hominid groups such as the Neanderthals and the Cro-Magnons, are genetically different.

To try and just blindly repeat that it does not exist, only makes you look like a fool. No matter how much you repeat your opinions, it will not make them fact.

[Anonymous No.3446323]

>>3446318
keep reaching!

[Anonymous No.3446325]

Even if it was true, there's really no advantage to shouting it. Just accept it or not and move on.

[Anonymous No.3446326]

>>3446318
hahahaha


that'd make sense if poor whites weren't smarter than poor blacks.

[Anonymous No.3446328]

>>3446310

Pretty much.

Also, it has been correlated that increased brain folds (more sulcus and gyres) shows a greater degree of intelligence

[Anonymous No.3446333]

>>3446318

Now see, if there was no poor whites, you would be on to something. But poor whites do exist.

[Anonymous No.3446335]

>>3446286

>Ad hominem

this is too entertaining, idiots who can't even think rationally.

[Anonymous No.3446337]

>>3446319
>the neanderthal was superior in every aspect
>then he died

cool reasoning brah

[Anonymous No.3446341]

>>3446312
Can you give me your own definition of a species that apparently seems to contradict that of all textbooks and scientists alike?

[Anonymous No.3446344]

>>3446337
swing and a miss...

[Anonymous No.3446352]

>>3446341
Oh don't get me started on textbooks. Some liberal asshole convinced me years ago that we were all equal. It's a lie, come to find out tonight. A big fat social scam and I'm the idiot who ignored my entire life of experience to believe it.

[Anonymous No.3446359]

>>3446319
Can you please show me one definite distinguishable gene that we can use to differentiate between our percieved races? Apparently you have the answer that no one has been able to find since we mapped the human genome

[Anonymous No.3446360]

>>3446337

Evolution does not favor the intelligent. It favored homo sapiens because they were able to breed much faster, and overtake their Hominid cousins.

Them interbreeding created the staggering difference between negros and non-negros that we see in our world today.

[Anonymous No.3446361]

>>3446328
Wow, just wow. My head is exploding right now.

[Anonymous No.3446363]

People have equal rights under law. No one said that men were literally equal. That's 1984 thinking.

[Anonymous No.3446366]

>>3446359
Do you not have eyeballs? Do you not have a life time of experience?

Can you not see that they have smaller brains than us? That 4% makes a WORLD of difference in our current society. And we've been handicapping white men for decades!

[Anonymous No.3446367]

>>3446352
Alright I'll just tell you. Only 2 members of a single species can produce fertile offspring.

[Anonymous No.3446375]

>>3446352
>Some liberal...

Stopped reading right there.

[Anonymous No.3446376]

>>3446363
Naw, man they've been telling us that my whole life! Blacks are not less intelligent than whites, it's the white man's own fault. For slavery! But it's not at all true and they try to hide it so much that when I saw this image tonight, I thought it had to be fake.

[Anonymous No.3446379]

>>3446333
on average being the key word.
on average blacks are poorer than the average white. poor whites exist but are less in number. more poor blacks exist and drag down the average of blacks.

[Anonymous No.3446381]

>>3446367
unless you're talking about fish... lots of fishes can breed with other species... or even genera... and produce fertile hybrids.

[Anonymous No.3446382]

>>3446359

You are asking for specific genetic markers, just like creationists ask scientists to find every single fossil or every single missing link.

In general, the difference between a neanderthal and a homo-sapien is all genetic. Are you saying it was a social construct? That their entire body structure was different because of an abstract social construct?

Surely you understand how ridiculous that is, correct? Even if only something as minor as skin tone, due to melanin, was the only difference between hominid sub-species, it would still not be a social construct. Anything related to the structure of the physical body is genetic. It is not an abstract concept.

[Anonymous No.3446384]

>>3446366
Okay. You go reveal your newfound discovery that there is a specific gene that can differentiate between our percieved races to geneticists worldwide. They would be extremely interested in hearing this news.

If I'm blind, they must be too. I really hope you uncover to the world your discovery of a definite distinguishable gene that differentiates between our percieved races, this would be groundbreaking. Please open our eyes

[Anonymous No.3446386]

>>3446359
can you please show me the definite distinguishable trait that we can use to differentiate mountains and hills?
ponds and lakes?
lakes and seas?
seas and oceans?

no? does that mean they don't exist?

nice continuum fallacy you stupid fuck.

[Anonymous No.3446388]

>>3446382
Neanderthals had definite distinguishable genes from humans. Many, actually.

[Anonymous No.3446390]

>>3446382
+1

[Anonymous No.3446393]

>>3446382
>homo-sapien

maybe you meant a Homo sapiens?

[Anonymous No.3446396]

>>3446367

Sub-species can still reproduce with one another.

Different breeds of dogs still breed with eachother, even if they have completely different body structures and intellect capacity. Are you saying the canine species is a social construct?

[Anonymous No.3446397]

>>3446384
oh lawdy stop and read the responses to your ignorance

[Anonymous No.3446399]

>tldr /sci/ has a lot of liberals, and therefore OP's image is clearly falsified

[Anonymous No.3446402]

>>3446393

Thank you for correcting my spelling mistake.

[Anonymous No.3446404]

>>3446360
>Evolution does not favor the intelligent

cool reasoning brah.
intelligence is not relevant to procreative success? intradesting!

[Anonymous No.3446408]

>>3446399
Op here, actually /sci/ has backed it up! Blacks have smaller brains than whites. They are a separate sub-species.

[Anonymous No.3446410]

>>3446384

>>Okay. You go reveal your newfound discovery that there is a specific gene that can differentiate between our percieved races to geneticists worldwide. They would be extremely interested in hearing this news.

>>If I'm blind, they must be too. I really hope you uncover to the world your discovery of a definite distinguishable gene that differentiates between our percieved races, this would be groundbreaking. Please open our eyes

Uh, they already know.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050128221025.htm

"Racial Groupings Match Genetic Profiles, Stanford Study Finds.

This work comes on the heels of several contradictory studies about the genetic basis of race. Some found that race is a social construct with no genetic basis while others suggested that clear genetic differences exist between people of different races.
What makes the current study, published in the February issue of the American Journal of Human Genetics, more conclusive is its size. The study is by far the largest, consisting of 3,636 people who all identified themselves as either white, African-American, East Asian or Hispanic. Of these, only five individuals had DNA that matched an ethnic group different than the box they checked at the beginning of the study. That's an error rate of 0.14 percent"

[Anonymous No.3446411]

>>3446381
species by definition cannot interbreed and produce fertile off-spring.

[Anonymous No.3446412]

>>3446396
>>3446396
>>3446396
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[Anonymous No.3446415]

So blacks and whites are separate sub-species of humans.

[Anonymous No.3446416]

why are people so keen on proving blacks are a different species?

you don't really need to. as many people in this thread have proven, blacks are inferior whether or not they're human.

[Anonymous No.3446418]

>>3446411
false, but I doubt you're a taxonomist so I'll let it slide.

give me a minute, if you want I'll hunt down a paper on two distinct species of fish that breed and produce viable offspring.

there's actually hundreds of fish species that can.

[Anonymous No.3446420]

>>3446382
>>3446386
when the difference between individuals of a group is greater than the difference between the average of two groups, it is not useful in any way to distinguish by group.

the average mountains difference compared to the average of lakes is greater than the difference of two individual mountains or two individual lakes.

great fallacy spotting where there aint one

[Anonymous No.3446421]

>>3446396
No, I'm saying that they're members of the same species. Subspecies are part of the same species. They can produce fertile offspring.

>>3446382
Neanderthals were different from humans because there were definite distinguishable traits that we could use to differentiate them. There were many of them. If you looked at their genomes, you could easily tell with certainty the difference. There is no single gene that all blacks have, and no single gene that all whites have that we can use to differentiate them other than skin color itself, and skin color can vary so greatly in a tremendously different amount of shades. The skin color of a child from a certain race could look the same as that from a different. It's not social construct.

[Anonymous No.3446423]

ok, this thread is dead. No science here, just trolling or supremacists trying be racionals, arguments based in emotions are not valids, and make correlations phenotypes=genotypes or eugenics are from XIX century. Good night

[Anonymous No.3446424]

>You are asking for specific genetic markers, just like creationists ask scientists to find every single fossil or every single missing link.

So it's concluded? Religious Creationists and Egalitarian Creationists are pretty much zealots in different shades of color? They act so very similar to eachother.

They claim things are true without any proof, and if you disagree with them using facts, they just using emotional and opinionated arguments to counter it.

Zealotry is not only limited to religion it would seem.

[Anonymous No.3446427]

>>3446396
subspecies is another word for race

[Anonymous No.3446429]

>>3446420
>when the difference between individuals of a group is greater than the difference between the average of two groups, it is not useful in any way to distinguish by group.

explain, because this doesn't make any sense as it doesn't take mode into account, which is the important average to take into consideration.

[Anonymous No.3446431]

>>3446421

I'm glad we agree. I assumed you were one of those fools who say everything is a social construct. They make me want to hit something.

[Anonymous No.3446432]

>>3446423
>Say blacks have smaller brains
>Racist hurr durr white supremacist
Anything but a truthful and honest man speaking out against decades of lies.

[Anonymous No.3446435]

>>3446418
i really aint. the taxonomy into class i attended defined species as non-interbreedable among other attributes. by this system if they are phenotypically different but can interbreed, they belong to the same species but are of different sub-species.
by other taxonomic systems you might distinguish species by other attributes. it depends on your system of taxonomy.

[Anonymous No.3446436]

>>3446427

You're correct in part, but Mongoloids and Caucasians are pretty much part of the same sub-species, but are categorized as different races.

Race is fairly in tune with the word breed, used for organizing different groups of canines, cats, and other domesticated animals. Sub-species is similar, but there are still some differences between the two terms.

[Anonymous No.3446438]

>>3446431
Same person here, I'm out, so don't expect a response if you want to reply to my post

[Anonymous No.3446440]

To Answer OPs question, yes of course people in Africa will have smaller brains then people in Europe.

However its not genetic, twins have smaller brains then single born children and they have lower IQs, This is due to a lack of nutrients during brain development. Due to famine in Africa the people there are born with smaller brains, it has nothing to due with genetics.

[Anonymous No.3446443]

>>3446420

By that logic, you have destroyed the entire field of animal genetics, and hell, basically genetics in general.

Congratulations.

[Anonymous No.3446444]

>>3446418
Species are defined by humans. Our definition is that a single species can produce fertile offspring only with each other. If we classified two fish as different species, but we find that they can produce fertile offspring, then we made a mistake, and they are in fact the same species.

It's all human definition

[Anonymous No.3446445]

>>3446440
>>3446440
>>3446440
lol lies! it's not nutritional. All the foreign aid in the world will not make smarter africans, just more of them. Like the stray cat theory. If you feed stray cats you do not create a viable cat society, you create more stray cats dependent on your hand out.

[Anonymous No.3446446]

>>3446440

I think people do not understand what genetics is...

Everything in your body is structured by genes, hence, if your brain exists, even if it's small or big, it's due to genetics. Not some mystical god who makes one person's brain big, and another's small.

[Anonymous No.3446447]

>>3446376
I honestly feel sorry for you guys, because you really don't know that Science is.

Psychology is not a real science, you and everyone else's assumptions about the black peoples inferiority is can only validated in psychology.

None of these assumptions about black intellectual inferiority have been proven in any scientific peer journals and research.

[Anonymous No.3446450]

>>3446447

It's not just psychology. Every facet of reality is against Negros.

I guess you can just say,
REALITY IS RACIS!

[Anonymous No.3446451]

>>3446447
Ummm no?

[Anonymous No.3446452]

>>3446450
Except liberal media and social agendas.

[Anonymous No.3446455]

>>3446429
you have two groups you compare by height.
A: 10m, 4m, 1m,
B: 10m, 5m, 1m,

on average group A is shorter. The difference between individuals of this group is greater than the differences of the averages of the groups.

Now, you cannot make any useful generalization from these groups. it is true that the average B is taller than A, but there is still 1/3 of A that is taller than 2/3 of B.

[Anonymous No.3446456]

>>3446447
>Psychology is not a real science

Ohhhhh boy. Here comes the train of asspain where this entire thread turns into an argument of whether or not psychology is a science.

I'll try and end it here with this definition.

>Psychology is the science of behavior and mental processes.

It probably won't stop the thread derailment, but I tried.

[Anonymous No.3446461]

>>3446455

You do realize you are arguing semantics, correct?

Are you seriously trying to state that height is a social construct not based on genetics? Are you fucking serious? I'm calling troll.

[Anonymous No.3446465]

>>3446461
Naw, he's trying too hard to be a troll. Anyways op here, great thread /sci/ and I mean that. It all makes sense now...

[Anonymous No.3446467]

>>3446455
>Now, you cannot make any useful generalization from these groups

So derp it hurts.

If group A is on average genetically taller than Group B, that is a VERY USEFUL piece of data for anyone who studies biology.

I swear, with comments like these, I don't think I'm on a board for science sometimes.

[Anonymous No.3446468]

>>3446467
>using tropical thunder memes in 2011
I seriously hope you people don't do this.

[Anonymous No.3446469]

>>3446467

BIOLOGY IS A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT YOU FUCKING BIGOT, GOSH!!!!!

[Anonymous No.3446471]

>>3446445
>>3446446

[Anonymous No.3446473]

>>3446435
>>3446444
Here's that paper on two species of fish that can breed and produce viable offspring.

like I mentioned, there's hundreds of fish species that can, but this is the only paper I've found that specifically states that the hybrids are both fertile and reproducing.

an interesting read. the breeding test for speciation isn't as firm as we like to pretend...

http://docserver.ingentaconnect.com/deliver/connect/umrsmas/00074977/v18n2/s5.pdf?expires=1311584489
&id=63700743&titleid=10983&accname=Guest+User&checksum=04AA4693EF7CE639C40D86441F61C
1B4

[Anonymous No.3446474]

>>3446471

Your reaction image is a great response to my comment. I stand defeated.

[Anonymous No.3446477]

>>3446471
the difference in brain size between races is not nutritional. you sir, are and idiot.

[Anonymous No.3446478]

>>3446461
maybe you are a negro and do not understand more abstract concepts. are you the guy that spots fallacies where there aint one?

If you have 1/3 of blacks who are more intelligent than 2/3 of whites, the statement "blacks are stupider than whites" has no value at all. you cannot base policy decisions on it, you cannot base business decisions on it or anything else for that matter.

to make it more explicit:
the statement "blacks are on average dumber than whites" may be valid. additions like "because X" or "thus we should do Y" are bonkers.

[Anonymous No.3446483]

>>3446469

No Anonymous, SCIENCE IS A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT!

[Anonymous No.3446487]

Reality is a social construct.

[Anonymous No.3446488]

>>3446483

REALITY IS A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT!

[Anonymous No.3446491]

>>3446473
>There seems to be no difference among the ovaries, nor among the testes, of blue angelfishes, intermediates, and queen angelfishes. No excessive amounts of connective tissue, nor aberrant cells, were seen in the gonads of intermediates. Size and shape of the gonads were the same as those of gonads in the blue and the queen angelfishes.

[Anonymous No.3446492]

>>3446488
>>3446487

Hivemind

[Anonymous No.3446496]

>>3446491
>gonads

[Anonymous No.3446497]

>>3446478

I don't get what you're trying to say. You're agreeing with us, yet you think you're not agreeing with us?

What?

[Anonymous No.3446501]

>>3446286
>It's called percentages.

Its so painfully obvious that the average age of everyone in this board is 13.

[Anonymous No.3446504]

>>3446497
i will never agree with racists, even when I do agree.

[Anonymous No.3446508]

>>3446501
Oh yes, you are the sole bastion of logic, wisdom and intelligence and we're all stupid retarded children.

[Anonymous No.3446524]

>>3446504

...Strange? I dunno. Has racist become such a thing, that even when they're right, they're wrong?

That's stupid.

[Anonymous No.3446529]

>>3446501

Aren't you a special little flower.

What, you think your opinions are the most important? SCREW ERRYONE WHO DON'T AGREE, I SMART, I NO I SMART :D!

[Anonymous No.3446532]

>>3446524
No, being racist and hating people because of their skin is wrong! Always! Nazi! You are a nazi for saying that black people have smaller brains!

[Anonymous No.3446537]

>>3446474

I'm convinced you're just an idiot now. The effect of nutrition on the developing brain have been clearly studied, are you trying to refute this argument?

http://www.livestrong.com/article/279081-nutrition-fetal-brain-development/

Or how about the fact that Africa is the least arable (populated) continent in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arable_land

[Anonymous No.3446540]

>>3446529
Agreed. Poster confirmed for unique and beautiful snowflake.

[Anonymous No.3446542]

>>3446537
you stupid fucking idiot. seriously keep on digging that hole...

[Anonymous No.3446548]

>>3446537
But.... seriously, nutrition is not the case here. I mean, you're just wrong.

[Anonymous No.3446552]

>>3446537
>Or how about the fact that Africa is the least arable (populated) continent in the world.

Arable land needs to be developed. Africans are driving their entire continent to a resource deficit with overpopulation. Deforestation has destroyed more of their jungles and forests. They're all starving, yet they keep having more children, and it's making it worse. They're not acting logically.

Do you think Europeans or East Asians just magically ended up with Arable land? They developed it for centuries. Agriculture is a very old field.

[Anonymous No.3446554]

>>3446548
>>3446542


[Citation needed]

[Anonymous No.3446565]

>>3446552
Do you have any idea what happened in South Africa? Rhodesia? The Afrikaaners created the best society on earth for black africans. They created wealth and plenty! But then, the blacks began kicking the whites out and actually began a genocidal war on them.

Now? South Africa is a war-torn starving shithole after three decades of black rule.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgbcb2_white-genocide-in-south-africa_news

[Anonymous No.3446570]

>>3446554
Read the thread! We just went into all this and I'm not repeating it for your ignorant self.

[Anonymous No.3446575]

>>3446570
New poster, this post alone confirms with decent certainty you're a troll.

[Anonymous No.3446576]

>>3446552

That map shows the land that can be potentially used to grow food, it has nothing to do with people developing anything

[Anonymous No.3446579]

>>3446552
so the malthusian trap is their fault?
when europe was stuck in it, where they of as low intelligence as the blacks are now? thats barely 150 years ago. in these 150 years whites have genetically developed a higher IQ? intradesting!

[Anonymous No.3446582]

>>3446575
Well luckily for me I don't care what you think. I'll live.

[Anonymous No.3446587]

>>3446579
>implying 150 years is capable of altering genetics

[Anonymous No.3446588]

>Now? South Africa is a war-torn starving shithole after three decades of black rule.

Atleast apartheid is gone. That's all that matters... right? Right?!?!

[Anonymous No.3446599]

>>3446576
>That map shows the land that can be potentially used to grow food, it has nothing to do with people developing anything

What? That's completely incorrect. Arable land is...

>In geography, arable land (from Latin arare, to plough) is an agricultural term, meaning land that can be used for growing crops.

Such land has to be developed. It does not mean potential land that can be used for growing crops. That's something completely different.

>It includes all land under temporary crops (double-cropped areas are counted only once), temporary meadows for mowing or pasture, land under market and kitchen gardens and land temporarily fallow (less than five years). The abandoned land resulting from shifting cultivation is not included in this category. Data for arable land are not meant to indicate the amount of land that is potentially cultivable.
>Data for arable land are not meant to indicate the amount of land that is potentially cultivable.

I can see where you might have been misled though.

[Anonymous No.3446600]

>>3446588
History will show the truth. Whites world wide are becoming more and more race conscious. This is referred to by some as the awakening. As white numbers are dwindling across the globe, more and more white societies are being invaded and whites are literally being bred out of existence.

If current birth trends continue, very soon whites will pass the tipping point and actually become an endangered species.

[Anonymous No.3446606]

>>3446599
>>3446599
>developed
>growing food
Wtf? It just has to be farmed by organized and skilled farmers. White afrikaaners have been farming there for generations until recently.

[Anonymous No.3446608]

>>3446600
whites aren't a species.

we are endangered, but only because we like to fuck people of any color.

[Anonymous No.3446609]

>That map shows the land that can be potentially used to grow food

The wikipedia link you showed us, states the exact opposite. Picture related.

[Anonymous No.3446612]

>>3446608
Oh there are many, many reasons for this.

[Anonymous No.3446613]

>>3446537
If Africans are so equal, and that nutrition is the only thing holding them back, why are they the only continent where nutrition is an issue?

And don't give a b.s. answer like europians screwed em over, because if they were so equal back then, how did their whole manage to get taken over.

And don't give a b.s. answer to that like "africans are equal, but europians had better technology" because that doesn't explain why china and eastern lands weren't taken over. And yes, Europe has known about Africa since before the days of the roman empire.

also, I agree that nutrition does effect brain size, however, even with that taken into account, the brains of blacks are not as big as whites.

[Anonymous No.3446621]

>>3446612
do you think we'll be killed off?

I'm white, I have a white kid and a brown kid. personally I like brown girls, but I realize everyone's different.

[Anonymous No.3446623]

>>3446606

You have to develop the land before you can grow anything. This is basic agriculture man.

This is why when negros took the farming land from whites in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe, the country started starving to death. Negros could not keep the land fit for creating food, and so it became useless.

The same thing is happening in South Africa.

[Anonymous No.3446633]

>>3446621

Only whites are so blindingly altruistic. Europeans/Whites are the only ones who follow this whole ERRYONE IS EQUAL, PEACE AND LOVEEE bullshit. When we become a minority, we aren't getting any minority rights.

Our sheer idiocy will make us go extinct.

[Anonymous No.3446640]

>>3446633
maybe. I think we'll fuck ourselves into extinction first. That's what I'm working on anyways.

[Anonymous No.3446642]

>>3446599
>>3446613

That was never the point of my argument, The fact is that there is food scarcity in Africa and it is effecting the brain size of the people living there, this can be scientifically proven.

Saying that Africans have a smaller brain size due to genetics is not scientifically proven and is nothing more then conjecture (the way most people on here are saying it, make them look raciest also)

[Anonymous No.3446647]

>>3446633
You mean blindly altruistic I think, but I agree with what you say. At the risk of being b& I give you this:

http://northwestfront.org/

[Anonymous No.3446648]

>>3446642
>(the way most people on here are saying it, make them look raciest also)
>raciest

[Anonymous No.3446649]

>Church dogma handled the case of the extraordinary Realizer from Nazareth in a very ingenious way, using all the powers of rationality to prop up the myth. It was true, they granted, that Jesus was one with God (or, as they would later put it, God is one substance with three Persons – Tertullian's trinitas – and the Person of Jesus has two Natures: Divine and Human). But let the causal-level Ascension stop there. No other person shall be allowed this Realization, even though, as everybody plainly knew at the time, Jesus never made a single remark suggesting that he alone had or could have this Realization, and he explicitly forbade his followers to use the term "Messiah" in reference to him.

It's funny i was just reading this before seeing this thread. It pretty much sums what all these types of threads are about.

Very poor attempts at using rationality to prop up myths derived from personal feelings and emotions. Retards trolling retards, it's like an almost perfect circle jerk.

[Anonymous No.3446656]

>>3446642
All that shit about Africans can't feed themselves sounds like an African problem and has nothing to do with me. Don't tell me whites haven't tried. We have spent decades wasting our time trying.

[Anonymous No.3446657]

>>3446642
actually I think the explanation is genetic.

climate related rather than nutritional.

scroll up through the thread to the wikipedia link on the subject, it links to papers. People in warmer climates evolve smaller heads...

not the anon you're arguing with, nor am I saying smaller brain=inferior....

[Anonymous No.3446658]

>>3446642
>That was never the point of my argument, The fact is that there is food scarcity in Africa and it is effecting the brain size of the people living there, this can be scientifically proven.

So the brains of Europeans were super small when we didn't have advanced methods of agriculture? Who helped us get out of it?

We did it ourselves.

[Anonymous No.3446662]

>>3446649
But Blacks really do have smaller brains that Whites. It's really, really true anonymous and no amount of liberal brainwashing will change that.

[Anonymous No.3446665]

>>3446623
> south africa starving
check again. flourishing country.

>>3446613
its not even funny how wrong you are.

>If Africans are so equal, and that nutrition is the >only thing holding them back, why are they the >only continent where nutrition is an issue?

india and central asia have the same problem alleviated by the fact that they are politically attached to richer regions.

>that doesn't explain why china and eastern lands weren't taken over.

they were. check your history.

> And yes, Europe has known about Africa since before the days of the roman empire.

thats why the roman empire had colonies there. at least in the north. the south was protected by an enormous desert.

>also, I agree that nutrition does effect brain size, however, even with that taken into account, the brains of blacks are not as big as whites.

[citation needed]
aggregate studies of brain size across countries usually do not account for nutritional effects over 2 generations. its not that they dont want to but they cant due to lack of data.
even if blacks end up to have smaller brains in relation to body weight, it still doesnt follow that they are less intelligent.
even then, if they are on average less intelligent it still doesnt follow that any meaningful decision can be made for that group that does not create inefficiencies and thus detrimental effects for society because individual traits are ignored.

[Anonymous No.3446675]

>>3446656

Wow I cant believe the assumption people are making . I never said anything about what whites should do or about foreign aid. All I'm doing is explaining why a test like the one done in the op would show Africans having a smaller brain seize the white Americans

[Anonymous No.3446678]

>>3446675
if you want to believe that africans have smaller brains because of nutrition, it's your moonbat right to do so. i will no longer argue with you.

[Anonymous No.3446680]

larger brain produces more heat
smaller brain produces less heat

people in hot places have smaller brain
people in cold places have larger brain

people in any places vary in intelligence

[Anonymous No.3446688]

>>3446680
This explains why Iceland is so clearly superior to damn near everywhere else.

[Anonymous No.3446694]

>>3446688

Greenland > Iceland

[Anonymous No.3446695]

>>3446642
Still, I find that it makes more sense that blacks would have a different sized brain than other races. Not necessarily smaller mind you, but different for sure. Due to evolution and being geographically isolated for tens of thousands of years. And the fact that they tend to do worse would make me think that it is more likely that their brains are smaller rather than larger.

Even without hard scientific data, it just makes more sense and explains more that they are dumber. Considering that the only possible way that they would be equal is if people just stopped evolving over the last 20 thousand years.

But that would be a poor argument considering that intellectual evolution would have sped up as society started to take form because intelligence would become much more valued, and mass killings that someone had a better chance of surviving by being more intelligent, like wars, fires ect.

So just from a logical standpoint, any isolated race being of the same average intellect as another race would be pure coincidence.

Really, the unverified conjecture without evidence is that all races have the same intellect.

[Anonymous No.3446698]

>>3446678
well it isnt your right to spout bullshit uncontested.

you have a right to your own opinion but no right to your own facts.

[Anonymous No.3446700]

Brain weight has a tenuous correlation with intelligence at best. Incidentally, the fact that this thread has over 200 replies is extremely depressing.

[Anonymous No.3446707]

>>3446700
it's actually a pretty good troll since /sci/ mostly physics and maths, and doesn't much biology and morphology.

I'd guess a few anons were surprised. and look how happy our resident /new/fags are.

[Anonymous No.3446719]

>>3446662
It's true to you, but its' not true to a lot of people and when you die they will still be people mainly science that don't believe it's true. And no amount of Klan brainwashing will ever change that.

If you ever grow up someday you might learn to think beyond mythic rationality but sadly, it looks like you'll never be able to get beyond that stage.

[Anonymous No.3446725]

>>3446662
Folding of the neocortex is much more important in intellect than sheer volume.

[Anonymous No.3446727]

>>3446719
No you fucking brainwashed tool, read the whole thread! It is made clear early on what he facts are. No really! The fact that you HATE me for bringing this up is hilarious though, and indicative of your commitment to the great lie.

[Anonymous No.3446728]

>>3446719
ah, truth determined via vote.

that's done us a lot of good. By that method god is watching you when you fap and your perfectly equal brain get's only a 10% usage.

[Anonymous No.3446734]

>>3446719

YEAH WHO NEEDS RATIONALITY! HERP DERP!

[Anonymous No.3446735]

>>3446719
>>3446719
It looks like you have not researched this at all and are just being ignorant on-line.

I'll go ahead and do that for you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craniometry#Criticisms_and_revival_of_past_cranial_theories_in_the_20th
_century

It would appear that the brain size for black americans isn't accurate because african blacks were included in the sample, and they have significantly smaller brains than american blacks, due to slightly different gross morphology.

however the idea in your picture is supported to varying degrees. Blacks tend to have smaller brains than whites.

now correlating that to intelligence is going to be difficult given the problems with EQ.

[Anonymous No.3446736]

>>3446727
its funny how you repeat "read the whole thread" where anything that was put forward to prop up the "blacks are dumber" statements was disproven by actual data (and lots of wikipedia).

you sir, suffer from tunneling.

[Anonymous No.3446737]

>>3446719
The science of race is too heavily politicized. It can't be trusted.

However, all hard evidence suggests whites really are more intelligent than the other races, while blacks are the least intelligent... on average.

What this does not mean is that it is okay to judge others based on skin color. At best, it's a generalization, and to judge an individual based on their group's average is ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.3446739]

>>3446736
It looks like you still have not found where in the thread to find the data.

I'll go ahead and do that for you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craniometry#Criticisms_and_revival_of_past_cranial_theories_in_the_20th
_century

It would appear that the brain size for black americans isn't accurate because african blacks were included in the sample, and they have significantly smaller brains than american blacks, due to slightly different gross morphology.

however the idea in your picture is supported to varying degrees. Blacks tend to have smaller brains than whites.

now correlating that to intelligence is going to be difficult given the problems with EQ.

[Anonymous No.3446742]

>>3446735
you stole my post.

I don't know if I'm honored or pissed.

[Anonymous No.3446744]

>>3446719
Before you criticize people who say that not all races are the same intellectually, let me ask you this. What scientific proof, scientific support, or even chain of logic leads you to think that all races are the same?

[Anonymous No.3446745]

>>3446742
Be honored. This is an eye-opening night for me but I'm not hard on the science of it yet. All I know for sure is that blacks have smaller brains but I'm not supposed to think that implies anything regarding intelligence.

[Anonymous No.3446752]

>>3446005
Aren't whale brains supposed to be as large as a basketball...

[Anonymous No.3446755]

>>3446745
I'll be honored then.

it doesn't really imply anything about intelligence.

not saying blacks aren't on average less intelligent than whites, just that brain size probably has nothing to do with it.

[Anonymous No.3446756]

God this board is a cesspool. Sage, reported, called the police

[Anonymous No.3446758]

>>3446756
lol fucking behavior dictators

you hurpa durp the facts are there. the thread is valid. why am i wrong for posting the truth?

[Anonymous No.3446760]

>>3446758
Because it isn't the truth as our glorious politicians want it to be, or taught us how it is in the schools.

[Anonymous No.3446761]

>>3446744
There isn't any. It's wishful thinking. It's denial of the harshness of reality.

In nature, there is no distinction between mind and body. Where there are differences in the body, there are almost certainly differences in the mind. The chance of any race being intellectually identical on average to any other race is virtually nonexistent.

[Anonymous No.3446766]

>>3446719
You can rage all you want but there isn't a single ounce of evidence in this thread that can't be disproven.

Any real scientist would laugh the so called evidence in this thread. So keep it at it because you're not convincing anyone but your fellow retards.

[Anonymous No.3446767]

Anyone interested in the long term outcome of this?

http://www.youtube.com/user/Ferrata14#p/f/1/p03OYqQTkBs

[Anonymous No.3446773]

>>3446761

many people on these boards tend to vastly overestimate the effects of a relatively small difference in the brain structure of races. 125,000 years is a small amount of time and significant evolution is not able to take place.

[Anonymous No.3446778]

>>3446767
Or is this the result of being untruthful about the intellectual differences in races?
Having people believe in something even more outlandish than what was being covered up to begin with.

[Anonymous No.3446784]

>>3446773

You forgot the part where we interbred with neanderthals and cro-magnons. Homo-sapiens who stayed in Africa, did not. Now they're called negros.

[Anonymous No.3446792]

>>3446756

I'M SORRY POLICE! I'M SORRY FOR POSTING BIOLOGY ON A SCIENCE BOARD!

WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN OFFICER DERP!

[Anonymous No.3446793]

>>3446778
Possibly. All I know is that I feel isolated and attacked constantly by the culture I was raised in. I live in California, and during the last local elections an anchorwoman actually said "As long as it's not a white man" about the politicians in the race.

I was in the air force and I was told to my face that I would never make rank because I was not a minority or a woman. I am confronted on all sides with supposedly beneficial mutli-culturalism, but in reality all this means is my town is filled with surly and unfriendly people I can't talk to.

These are not scientific findings, these are the accumulated grievances (only a small portion) of my life events. Whites are threatened as a racial group, this is not up to debate.

So it becomes easy to dream of a place, a promised land where I can just live with people who are like me.

[Anonymous No.3446796]

>>3446773
Significant evolution can take place in the span of a single generation if enough people die off without leaving children. 150,000 years is far more than enough time to create many thousands of species under the right circumstances.

[Anonymous No.3446800]

>>3446756

>Sage, reported, called the police
>called the police

[Anonymous No.3446805]

>>3446773
Normally I would just say [citation needed]
but instead, im just going to call you out on this because it is just plain wrong.

You're false assumption is based on the fact that since evolution is generally a slow process, you assume evolution happens at a fixed rate.

However, with the creation of society, the rate at which evolution happens has basically been put on steroids. In fact, even in the last 20,000 years incredible advances in the evolution of the brain have happened. There's even gene that produces an enzyme in the brain that was non-existent more than 10,000 years ago, but now exists in about 30% of the worlds population. Here's some sources

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2004/dec/29/evolution.science
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/08/science/08cnd-brain.html
http://www.hhmi.org/news/lahn3.html

Now would be a good time to re-evaluate your logic as to why all races should be the same intellectually rather than different.

[Anonymous No.3446813]

>>3446796

um no are you just spouting this crap of the top of your head? were in the fossil record is there a single new species that developed in 150,000 years.

[Anonymous No.3446819]

>>3446813
Jesus. You really don't have a clue. Please kill yourself for the good of the world.

[Anonymous No.3446822]

>>3446813
the fossil record gives a resolution of ~2m.y. throughout almost its entirety.

just sayen. if a new species popped up in that amount of time we wouldn't know it from fossils.

however genetic evidence strongly indicates that speciation works much more quickly than that in some cases.

[Anonymous No.3446828]

>>3446805

lol citation from you own article

"To accomplish so much in so little evolutionary time - a few tens of millions of years - requires a selective process that is perhaps categorically different from the typical processes of acquiring new biological traits."


Sorry your still a idiot and 150,000 years is nothing in evolutionary science.

[Anonymous No.3446830]

>>3446793
If it really means that much to you, then move to northern europe where all this political correctness bullshit is non-issue.

personally I don't care what race someone is, the part that gets me is because people assume the averages of all races are the same, dumber people are getting higher positions because they belong to a dumber race.

[Anonymous No.3446831]

>>3446792
>This thread
>Legitimate biology
>Not politicised pseudo-science

I seriously hope you don't believe this.

[Anonymous No.3446833]

>>3446830
This thread examines some of my fears, that this is calculated. Obviously replace DOT with a .

http://4chonDOTnet/new/res/601922.html#602011

[Anonymous No.3446835]

>>3446831
morphometrics is legitimate science. A bit like stamp collecting, but legit.

inferring behavior and capacity from morphology is pretty weak though.

[Anonymous No.3446837]

>>3446833
>/new/

[Anonymous No.3446845]

>>3446828
it isn't much in evolutionary science, but it really depends on what you are talking about being evolved.
I mean seriously, you can't think that evolution happens at a constant rate for all species in all areas.

If you actually read the articles, you would find the the human brain is one of the fastest evolving things to ever exist, and while 150,000 years in evolutionary time is generally not too much, for the human brain, and humans in general, it is a shit-ton.

only an idiot would deny that nothing noticeable has happened evolutionarily over the past 150,000 years regarding humans.

[Anonymous No.3446854]

>>3446831

>I dun like it so it not science lol, fucking bigots thinking they kno more than me, DON'T THEY KNOW I'M A SPECIAL FLOWER!?!?