/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.3444317]

Hello /sci/

I believe global warming as we know it has been influenced greatly by humans. Whats /sci/'s concensus on global warming?

-Natural Phenomena?
-Man Made?
-Natural Phenomena worsened by human stupidity?
-Something i didn't mention?

Pic related.

[Anonymous No.3444327]

It exists. We need to figure something out now. I say we build a floating economy in the middle of the ocean and wait for the world to finish destroying itself.

[Anonymous No.3444338]

same opinion

quoting sagan:

"Looking down on the planet, you uncover new puzzles. All over the Earth, smokestacks are pouring carbon dioxide and toxic chemicals into the air. So are the dominant beings who run on the roadways. But carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas. As you watch, the amount of it in the atmosphere increases steadily, year after year. The same is true of methane and other greenhouse gases. If this keeps up, the temperature of the planet is going to increase. Spectroscopically, you discover another class of molecules being injected into the air, the chlorofluorocarbons. Not only are they greenhouse gases, but they are also devastatingly effective in destroying the protective ozone layer."

[Anonymous No.3444341]

consider that we are in the interglaciar age and the temperatures were MUCH higher than this already. I don't want to draw devills on the wall but IMO: the earth is actually getting cooler in the long run

[Anonymous No.3444345]

Naturally occurring and completely overblown.
It's simply not a big deal

[Anonymous No.3444340]

I predict we will be arguing about the existence of manmade climate change 1000 years from now.

[Anonymous No.3444351]

>>3444327

that's not going to work, global warming is... Global.... and as soon as the US notices people not dieing due to global warming they're going to invade your bottle island or whatever it is.

[Anonymous No.3444371]

>>3444345

i dont know man... it has been getting hotter by the minute...

natural phenomena or not, you believe humans aren't doing anything? We inject A LOT of greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere.

[Anonymous No.3444379]

>>3444371
You're imagining things.
Most climate scientists project something like a 0.5 degree rise each 50 YEARS.

[Anonymous No.3444380]

>>3444351
Great counter argument to my statement.
I counter with FUCK THE POLICE

[Anonymous No.3444387]

>>3444371
sorry to disript your chatter, but not everywhere is USA

we in Europe are actually getting one of the shittiest coolest summers in decade

[Anonymous No.3444398]

I lol every time people act like global warming is going to kill people.
>HURR DURR SEA LEVELS WILL RISE AND EVERYBODY WILL DROW
Yeah, they'll rise, but so extremely slowly that the only way anybody will drown is if they lay face down in a puddle.
They'll have thousands of years to move home before water gets to danger of drowning levels

[Anonymous No.3444421]

Molecules are stupid. Industrial poisons, greenhouse gases, and substances that attack the protective ozone layer, because of their abysmal ignorance, do not respect borders. They are oblivious of the notion of national sovereignty.

[Anonymous No.3444428]

>>3444317
What i think, is that the oil that we are pumping out of these huge cavern's underground. Is pressurised, there for when the oil is removed, the cavern incave's causing these tremor's at sea.

From which fucks up the water level, thus causing abnormal weather.

How to solve this problem? Create a source of power that will make oil obsolete, from which would cause mass war's throughout the world.

[Anonymous No.3444436]

>>3444398
in addition to this statement

even if you melted ALL ice on eart the sea level woudt rise some 60-70m so don't expect shit like Mel Gibson in Waterworld... that movie is bullshit

>mfw I live 680m above sea

[Anonymous No.3444438]

Global warming is the continuing rise in the average temperature of Earth's atmosphere and oceans. Global warming is caused by increased concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, resulting from human activities such as deforestation and burning of fossil fuels.[2][3] This finding is recognized by the national science academies of all the major industrialized countries and is not disputed by any scientific body of national or international standing.[4][5][A]

[Anonymous No.3444440]

>>3444387

>implying weather equals climate

oh lawdy

[Anonymous No.3444464]

If you don't believe that humanity has had a significant effect on global warming, then you simply haven't read anything in a legitimate peer reviewed journal on it. Once you actually read the results for yourself, it's all pretty cut and dry.

The issue is far from a scientific issue at this point, now its up to lawmakers to do something about it, because there's no way the private sector will willingly lose their profits to be more environmentally conscious

[Anonymous No.3444466]

everybody seems to think that we are producing too much CO2

so how about we planted MAAAAAANY trees and other plants so they eat that CO2?

[Anonymous No.3444468]

Without human interference, we should be experiencing a decrease in carbon dioxide concentration in our atmosphere, however because of human interference, we are experiencing an increase

[Anonymous No.3444472]

>>3444428
Yeah but if someone created an infinite power source that will end our dependence on oil. Wouldn't that someone also want to create a way to profit off of it? Then create ways to keep the profits steadily increasing along with inflation by creating problems with the supply of it so the demand can increase. Wars will brew and people will die. We need to figure out a way to create a free power source available to all for free, with no creative patents on it, that way wars cannot be started in the name of energy.

[Anonymous No.3444475]

>>3444466
algae would be much more efficient

[Anonymous No.3444481]

>>3444472

that's not true. oil is relatively inelastic, so as the price increases the amount decreases less than an elastic product (like marshmellows for example) but there is an optimum price range that maximizes profits

[Anonymous No.3444479]

>>3444464
give an example of some results

[Anonymous No.3444491]

>>3444379
>The IPCC assesses the scientific, technical and socio-economic information relevant for the understanding of the risk of human-induced climate change.

http://www.ipcc.ch/

>>3444398
Actually a lot of islands are going to drown within the next centuries.
That should be a concern for the people who live there and for the people who are already pissed at the influx of brown immigrants.

[Anonymous No.3444498]

>>3444491

solution: let them drown

it's win win for us

[Anonymous No.3444507]

>>3444498
For a little while.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3444512]

>>3444491

>>Actually a lot of islands are going to drown within the next centuries.

Solution; Install drill anchors around island, attach inflatable transparent vectran dome canopy to anchors, inflate. Provide oxygen, desalinated water and electricity via a flexblue subsea reactor.

Pic related, this but on a much larger scale.

[Anonymous No.3444513]

>>3444479
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intergovernmental_Panel_on_Climate_Change#IPCC_Fifth_Assessment_Report:
_Climate_Change_2007

>>3444498
I meant within the next century.
Tsunamis aren't enough already to drown brown people. I don't think a slow rise would drown anyone. It will just slowly overtakes the lands and make drinkable water even scarcer in regions where it's already an issue.

[Anonymous No.3444516]

>>3444512
Seems like a pretty fucking expensive solution for Pacific islanders.

[Anonymous No.3444518]

Worst case scenario?
forget about biblical floods, they are smaltime
when the oceans start to release methane you'll get to see some serious shit.

Earth would die like a bitch and turn into anther Venus in less than 300 years

that's just WORST case scenario ofc

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3444530]

>>3444516

>>Seems like a pretty fucking expensive solution for Pacific islanders.

It's mostly net and sheet plastic. It's not terribly expensive. It would be if we used weight to keep the bubble down, but we'd use drilled-in anchors.

We save the island and in exchange we get a 60% cut of future tourism revenue.

[Anonymous No.3444536]

>>3444516

i'm sure they can afford it with their advanced economies

[Anonymous No.3444537]

>>3444317

>-Natural Phenomena?
>-Man Made?
>-Natural Phenomena worsened by human stupidity?
>-Something i didn't mention?

who cares what the reason is? why not advance technology and adapt anyway? better safe than sorry...

[Hiker Ridley No.3444538]

Natural Phenomena worsened by human stupidity? The most accurate idea of them all. I bet that scientists will bounce between ice age and inferno until one or the other ultimately happens and there is nothing we can do to stop it. However, we can slow it's pace down by reducing carbon emissions, but it will not stop.

[Anonymous No.3444539]

>>3444479
This is a good one, a measure of atmospheric CO2 over the course of 600 million years, notice the sharp increase around the time of the industrial revolution

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3444540]

>>3444536

>>i'm sure they can afford it with their advanced economies

We pay for it, then develop it as a resort island and take a huge cut of tourism revenue.

[Anonymous No.3444545]

oil is going to run out

regardless on your position on global warming, we should all agree that we need to find alternative fuel sources

[Anonymous No.3444546]

>>3444518
I think there's a new study that went out in Nature that explain how heavy volcanism triggered a temperature rise big enough that led to massive methane releases in the ocean and to the mass extinction event at the end of the Triassic.

http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2011/07/did-greenhouse-gasses-unleash-th.html?ref=hp

[Anonymous No.3444549]

>>3444540

how do planes fly there when the oil runs out?

[Anonymous No.3444555]

each curve represents the effect a certain phenomena has on cooling/warming

[Anonymous No.3444562]

Things change. They always change. There's no stopping change, no matter how much hippies hate it and want to "preserve" the world as it is.
Science will save the day as always.
FUCK prevention. Lets work on adaptation.

[Anonymous No.3444556]

>>3444549
they will be nuclear powered

[Anonymous No.3444559]

>>3444546
Actually it was published in Nature as my link says...
Dammit.

>>3444530
Yeah just like a couple of thousands of tons of plastic. Cheap.

>Provide oxygen, desalinated water and electricity via a flexblue subsea reactor.

Cheap too.

[Anonymous No.3444565]

>>3444559
Fuck I meant that it was published in Science.

[Anonymous No.3444576]

>>3444556
We would have to design totally new types of engines then.

It can definitely be done

[Anonymous No.3444582]

>>3444576

9/11: nuclear redux

[Anonymous No.3444595]

>>3444562
>still using 19th century technology for every day travels
>think it's the hippies who are holding us back

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3444606]

Presto, island saved and a hot new resort destination created.

[Anonymous No.3444608]

>>3444595
>Implying scientists hold the helm of energy market

surely you jest
Even then, dont think they will make world greeeen greeeeen with lots of wind turbines and solar panels. That shit is inefficient.

[Anonymous No.3444611]

>>3444606

what exactly am i looking at?

is that a dome over the island?

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3444614]

>>3444559

The reactor is a money maker. Or no reactors would be built. This is no different. The power it makes isn't free.

Same with the resort. You don't seem to factor in any kind of return on investment.

[Anonymous No.3444617]

liberal end of the world bullshit to promote global marxism just like they did with the ice age hysteria in the 1900s

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3444619]

>>3444611

Yes, a transparent plastic inflatable dome held down by tethers to anchors embedded in the sea floor. Like the dome in this picture on a larger scale.

[Anonymous No.3444632]

>>3444619

what if sea levels rise high enough that the dome is submerged?

of what if there is seismic activity that displaces the anchors?

[Anonymous No.3444634]

>>3444608
Scientists are currently developing solar panels that do not even use rare earth elements.
Science will save us, if we manage to politically give it the power to do so.

>>3444614
I don't see why anyone would go under some fancy bubble island while there are other non-bubbled islands around with the same qualities and clean outdoor air and sun.

[Anonymous No.3444638]

>>3444617

>>liberal end of the world bullshit to promote global marxism just like they did with the ice age hysteria in the 1900s

This is what Christian fundies actually believe. Seriously, you've repeated it word for word: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to1naH2A7GU

[Anonymous No.3444643]

>>3444632
the dome IS submerged silly

[Anonymous No.3444652]

>>3444638
Christian nutjobs could find their end of the stick in this new reality.
Doesn't their fancy book talk about some end of the world event?
Maybe they need some time to figure out all this.

Who volunteers for a special stealth mission?

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3444654]

>>3444632

>>what if sea levels rise high enough that the dome is submerged?

It's supposed to be submerged. That's the entire point.

>of what if there is seismic activity that displaces the anchors?

Lots of people die, just like on a regular island when seismic activity causes tsunamis. No plan is completely free from all risk.

>I don't see why anyone would go under some fancy bubble island while there are other non-bubbled islands around with the same qualities and clean outdoor air and sun.

Because it's different, beautiful and a novelty. And actually the air would be cleaner, and there would be plenty of sun as it's well within the photic zone.

Pic related, how do you explain the sunlight if you believe it's pitch black anywhere underwater?

[Anonymous No.3444671]

>>3444632
What if people don't want to live in a dome?
What if there is a easy way to stop climate change?

[Anonymous No.3444673]

>>3444654

>No plan is completely free from all risk.

Yeah but if the country paid billions just to build a fancy dome and it all goes down the drain I don't think it's on the same scale of disaster.
Doesn't mean that you can't take this risk into account. Just doesn't sound very likely with the geopolitical factors.

>Because it's different, beautiful and a novelty. And actually the air would be cleaner, and there would be plenty of sun as it's well within the photic zone.

I mean that tourists go there because of the beaches and the sun. There wouldn't be any beaches or any sun as pictured in the traditional islands.
Skiing in the desert is original too, doesn't mean that the tourists flock into Dubai.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3444679]

>>3444671

>>What if people don't want to live in a dome?

Then they leave. It's a paid resort. The people who stay would work there in the tourism industry.

>>What if there is a easy way to stop climate change?

Then we do that. This is a win/win backup plan.

[Anonymous No.3444684]

>>3444654
Would there actually be enough CO2 production and UV rays to support plant life though? I mean even in a fishtank many species of liveplants require you have to have additional CO2 supply in order to provide enough of it due to the fact that a couple of fish just aren't making enough of it. I don't see a resort island having enough people on it at a constant basis to provide enough CO2

[Anonymous No.3444685]

Aren't we going to run out of oil/gas/etc anyway? Global warming will stop when we run out of stuff to burn.

[Anonymous No.3444696]

>>3444685
Nope.
Rising of temperatures triggers worse stuff.
By the time we'll have burnt everything (which seems unlikely with how obvious the evidences are getting), the oceans would have gotten way too acidic for most life, irreversible biological extinctions would have happened, etc, etc.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3444702]

>>3444684

Humans use enough O2 that, considering how many will be on the island at any given time, I think it'd be fine. Probably just slightly more than the plants need.

[Anonymous No.3444706]

>>3444679

We could use these:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2011/03/28/scientists-create-worlds-1st-practical-artifici
al-leaf-10x-as-efficient-as-the-real-thing/

Make many artificial trees and harvest those gasses for energy. Of course we make those things out of biodegradable materials and utilizing renewable energy.

Win?

[ႼЋïŁႣƧტƿḩЄƦṥ !Scone2booQ No.3444712]

>>3444696
How do you figure? A long time ago the oceans were full of life with much higher CO2 concentrations and much higher temps.

[Anonymous No.3444716]

>>3444712
Life adapts to slow changes highly efficiently, it adapts to rapid changes much less well.

[Anonymous No.3444718]

theorizing here. But wouldn't hotter overall temperatures make winds move faster aswell as increase the speed of the water cycle and thus making more numerous bigger and stronger storms?

[Anonymous No.3444727]

>>3444718
So if we continue using fossil fuels, we may fuck up the atmosphere and weather cycle enough to actually make wind mills and solar panels efficient?

[Anonymous No.3444734]

>>3444727

ya, they'll be efficient for the handful of people that survive the massive extinction event

[Anonymous No.3444735]

>>3444706
>If the device is placed in a one-gallon bucket of water in bright sunlight, it can reportedly produce enough electricity to power a house in a developing nation.

[Anonymous No.3444744]

>>3444712
We didn't make those conclusions, the IPCC did.
The only way not to follow the anthropogenic origin of climate change and its significance would be not to understand the concept of peer-review.
And I seriously hope you don't do that.

[Anonymous No.3444746]

>>3444735

i hope that's true.

i'm tired of stories that say "x" device can power us indefinitely, then it's either a massive exaggeration or a hoax

[Anonymous No.3444759]

>>3444727

http://www.greenwala.com/channels/green-technology/blog/13103-Scientists-Develop-Affordable-Solar-Pa
nels-That-Work-In-The-Dark

http://inhabitat.com/mit-unveils-flexible-solar-cells-that-can-be-printed-on-paper/

http://www.magenn.com/technology.php

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/04/wave_power_alte_1.php

http://www.grist.org/list/2011-06-08-no-joke-this-is-the-biggest-battery-breakthrough-ever

http://cleantechnica.com/2008/10/25/mit-energy-storage-discovery-could-lead-to-unlimited-solar-power
/

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/hydropower-geothermal/4331401?page=1

http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/energy/blogs/solar-goes-hyper-in-the-us

http://dartmouthwaveenergy.com/

http://www.impactlab.net/2010/09/06/self-assembling-solar-cells-created-that-repair-themselves/

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/09/william-yuan-invents-3d-nanotube-solar-cell.php


pic related

[Anonymous No.3444771]

how many of you guys have even read any IPCC reports? How many of you even know what I mean by the hockey stick controversy?

Scientific confidence in man made climate change has only increased and increased over the last 10 years or so to the point that there is now no real scientific debate over whether it is happening or not. Meanwhile, public certainty on the issue has decreased greatly over the last few years.

[Anonymous No.3444775]

>>3444771

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