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Is Global Warming bullshit? If it is, why is it always in high school biology books? If it is not, then why are there people like Penn & Teller calling it bullshit?

>> No.3394267

>>3394264
>>If it is not, then why are there people like Penn & Teller calling it bullshit?

well unless they qualified it, this was just a very dumb assertion to make

>> No.3394274

climate change is happening, it's pretty damn obvious to anyone without an agenda given the weather changes that have been happening (record heat, increasingly bad hurricane seasons, etc)

How much human activity has to play into it is up for some debate, but the basic premise that we need to change society to be more sustainable is sound. Humans aren't developing fast enough that we can just trash this place and leave it behind, we need to make sure it's still suitable for our progeny

>> No.3394284

>>3394264 why are there people like Penn & Teller calling it bullshit

They're not as smart as you may think they are, and they have a strong libertarian bias. Re-watch how that episode opens:

>>Scientists in the seventies were saying we are heading for an ice age, it says so in fucking Time Magazine.

Time magazine isn't a science journal, its a popsci magazine. Read the science journals to see what scientists were actually saying in the 70's. They were not predicting an ice age.

>> No.3394305

>If it is not, then why are there people like Penn & Teller calling it bullshit?
Because they're Libertarians and for absolute, anything goes laissez faire capitalism to work, you have to deny that any externalities exist or claim that they're actually the product of state intervention (the free market can fix global warming, pollution, social inequality etc). Why they would want to get into this on a show that revolves around titties and shouting obscenities at crazy people is beyond me. People sticking political ideology into science is bullshit.

>> No.3394314

>>3394284
I never understood where journalists got that from, because we're ALREADY in an ice age.

>> No.3394332

>>3394314

>>HURR DURR SEMANTICS

>> No.3394349

>>3394284
Actually, some did think so:
In the 1970s there was increasing awareness that estimates of global temperatures showed cooling since 1945. Of those scientific papers considering climate trends over the 21st century, only 10% inclined towards future cooling, while most papers predicted future warming

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling

>> No.3394398

>>3394349
So Penn & Teller turned 10% into the majority? Typical.

>> No.3394404

>>3394398
Not them. Various news sources started a hysterical clamor about how the new ice age was coming.
Penn and Teller just pointed that the current climate scare isn't the first one.

>> No.3394423

>>3394264
>If it is not, then why are there people like Penn & Teller calling it bullshit?
Libertarians, dude.

>> No.3394426

>>3394404

There was ONE article in Time about the possibility of global cooling and it was based on the work of one climatologist who wasn't respected in the field even then.

>> No.3394428

>>3394264
Global Warming is absolute bullshit of the first degree, the world has been getting colder for the last decade and we're possibly going to enter another Maunder Minimum in the near future. I guess its in text books because of a lack of quality control in education.

>> No.3394429

>>3394404
So, in other words, confirmation bias by Penn & Teller (or their research group) as a result of their political agenda.

>> No.3394430

>>3394404
They didn't portray it as: "Time magazine fucked up in the 70's, so lets not be hysterical in the present". They portrayed it as: "This is what scientists were really saying in the 70's, scientists fucked up, lets not listen to scientists in the present".

They would have mentioned that time magazine was making a mistake or that time isn't a science journal if their intention was different.

>> No.3394436

ooh look a global warming troll.

inb4 263 posts yada yada yada

>> No.3394443

Here's the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Yb56lLnyyE

>> No.3394447

Are people on /sci/ really saying global warming doesn't exist? I know everyone on the internet is an edgy teen, but come on, really? Have you any idea of the massive scientific evidence for global warming? Are you not aware of how greenhouse gases work? Have you taken any chemistry?

Farnsworth_don't_want_to_live_on_this_planet_anymore.jpg

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3394453

>>3394264
>then why are there people like Penn & Teller calling it bullshit?

>> No.3394463

check out potholer54 on youtube.

he turned me from a complete climate change denier into a believer. after watching him, i realized that i had fallen prey to conservative bias, and that i hadn't actually looked at any evidence before him. best of all, he's not some preacher like al gore, he provides evidence from an extremely neutral point of view and literally looks at almost everything objectively.

>> No.3394516

>>3394428

ok here it goes:

that's bullshit. the statement that the earth has been cooling for the past decade is due to a lack of experience when measuring cooling and warming trends. potholer54 proves this pretty well with the help of sources of papers people use to try and support your false claim, by showing what they ACTUALLY say.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvMmPtEt8dc

>> No.3394547

>>3394453
>implying you are capable of interpreting anything

It looks like they were primarily stating that the industry and state regulations founded on the premise of climate change are bullshit, and that the science the public is generally exposed to is shaky at best. I agree with them. I have no doubt that climate change is happening; the extent of the human impact is very difficult to determine though - and I would hypothesize in my amateur wisdom that it's negligible at most.

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>>3394453

An MS paint comic. Your point is so well represented.

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>>3394443

>those comments about Al Gore

>> No.3394571

since climate change and human impact seem to be a popular thing in this thread, i'll post this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5hs4KVeiAU

>> No.3394578

>>3394571

>why they happen

Stopped watching

>> No.3394588

I actually like watching Penn & Teller, the best part is not taking them seriously because they're full of bullshit, which even they admitted.

>> No.3394590

>>3394578


why the hell are you on the science board then?

>> No.3394613

How can you believe global warming is a myth?
When global temperature measurements have been on a steady increase???
(for source look here)
>>3394516
I agree with a good deal of conservative views, but their stubbornness and EVERYONE'S horrible habit of believing their peers without solid sources is just getting old.

>> No.3394618

Are you guys talking about the Penn and Teller episode where they make fun of environmentalists by having them sign that petition to ban water? Because they didn't say climate change was bullshit if I recall correctly.

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>>3394547
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>Listening to Penn & Teller

Did you see that fat faggot's red-faced rant when someone said his daughter's name was retarded (It's Moxie CrimeFighter Jilette)

>> No.3394717

Yikes the people in here don't know much....

>Ice age is actually really common (8k to 15k year cycles, also humans as a species have survived several "Ice Ages")
>Self absorbed humans need to slow down, we're not the end-all-be-all of everything and anything, stop acting like every event revolves around us.
>Humans equate for roughly 3.4% of global Carbon Emissions, we are ants in a field.
>Universal Factors weigh much more on the environments of Earth than anything else (e.g. The Sun)

Furthermore look up the temperatures in your area from 1997 to about 2002, than look up activities on the surface of the Sun.

>> No.3394727

>>3394717
Wow a list of "facts" with no citations.

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>>3394717
yes, because looking up the tempurature in "my area" makes sense to falsify "GLOBAL warming"
Also, you don't provide any sources...

>> No.3394760

http://www.skepticalscience.com/human-co2-smaller-than-natural-emissions.htm

>> No.3394763

>>3394760
lol'd
thanks, you're dismissed.

>> No.3394770

Penn is a disgusting ogre neckbeard, who the fuck ever said he should be famous?

>> No.3394773

>>3394717
The ice age cycle is 100k years, with the eccentricity cycle.

>> No.3394777

>>3394727


http://www.docstoc.com/docs/47628855/Climate-changing-How-global-warming-lost-its-science-and-suppor
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_glaciation

While I used the term "Ice Age" loosely you'll read to find out that we're in an "interglacial period" it would seem. Basically a giant Ice Age has been raging for 3 million years so far is the full truth.

>> No.3394788

>>3394742

Well if the entire planet was "warming" wouldn't anywhere on Earth presumably be getting warmer? Or are you off Earth for the season?

>> No.3394808

>>3394788
Maybe if the earth was 2 dimensional.

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>>3394717
>it's all the suns fault!121!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRCyctTvuCo

>> No.3395046

i don't know. because it is just a theory. because they're intelligent.

>> No.3395067

Could /sci/ get a part time mod or a janitor?

I don't understand why so many people tonight feel the need to post bullshit theories coming straight out of high school. Is this just some like raid from /b/ or something or there enough dumb ass kiddies on this board?

>> No.3395077

Because Penn and Teller are people who, unlike true scientists, can´t get over the fact they got something wrong. Global warming claims are verifiable, and I suggest you dive deeper into the scientific literature than what you have done and heard so far from sensation-makers lik Al Gore and all those National-Geographic themed documentaries.

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>> No.3395121

>>3395079
> implying the rainforests ought to be reserved
people have to eat

>> No.3395179

>>3395121
There are still plenty of undiscovered species there. Do it for science!

>> No.3395180

>>3394264
>If it is not, then why are there people like Penn & Teller calling it bullshit?
Going to want some citations please.

>> No.3395184

>>3395180
Nevermind, watching video...

>> No.3395193

>>3395121
Imagine something you think is really cool that you want to see and experience some day.

Now imagine you never can because its gone because your grandfather destroyed it.

That feel is why we try to preserve things.

>> No.3395196

>>3395184
Oh, yes. They're wrong to so casually dismiss global warming. They are right that the greens are hysterical and most don't know what the fuck is going on and listen to the green hysteria.

It's because of that that we get shit like this:

http://www.energyfromthorium.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=1094

>> No.3395250

>>3395121
>implying rainforests don't provide othe benefits than food from slash and burn agriculture
>implying that if you cut them down you won't get massive amounts of soil erosion that will wash sediment downriver and start fucking the ocean up
>implying that the soil there is not shallow as fuck and actually of poor quality, because any nutrients from dead things are taken straight back up into the living forest, so farming there is only viable in the short term
>implying that the biodiversity there isn't valuable, both for research and tourism