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3387211 No.3387211 [Reply] [Original]

If scientists prove that evolution is 100% guaranteed real, i feel like everyone who believes in God will just say "Yeah because God made evolution".

>mfw they won't ever stop

>> No.3387222
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>> No.3387221

Thank you for reinventing ID

>> No.3387227

Evolution IS 100% guaranteed real.
Who cares about the Christians; let them die off, it'll happen one day or another.

>> No.3387231

hurr where r the transition fossils? Trick question! There are none!

>> No.3387232

>>3387227
Islam is the fastest going religion.
Christianity might well die off, but swapping out one false theology for another isn't really progress.

>> No.3387235

>>3387231
every fossil is a transitional fossil.

>> No.3387236

The theory of evolution isn't to prove or disprove the existence of a deity or to be considered in ideologies or philosophies (e.g. social darwinism, institutional racism, etc.) It is merely to discover how living beings became what they are now, how they evolve. Darwin's book was "On the Origin of Species", not "How Animals couldn't have been created by God".

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>>3387227

I hope so.

Sometimes i wake up and it's hard for me to realize that the majority of the US believes in God.

I feel like a guy who has a desk job and all of his employees still believe in santa clause.

>> No.3387243

So it will be science versus islam ..

SHIIIIIEEET WE GOT DIS.
We should build nanobots that infiltrate into the brain, manipulating suicide.

>> No.3387246

>>3387243
suicide muslim style...
yeaaaa we all know how that goes

>> No.3387250

>>3387236

but the theory of evolution isn't compatible with creationism, which derives from the belief in a deity.

>> No.3387252

>>3387236
but evolution and creationism arn't compatible. If evolution is true, it proves that at least part of holy books with creation stories in them are false. If books like the bible and the koran are at least partly false, this calls into question the legitimacy of everything else they said.
It is difficult to believe that a book contains the divine word of god if the first thing it says is discovered to be false by our limited human knowledge.

>> No.3387254

>>3387250
not all theists are creationists.

>> No.3387255

>>3387211
There are people that claim God made evolution. The pope, for example.

>> No.3387282

>>3387211
Science, by definition, can't prove anything is 100% guaranteed real. Evolution is as good as it gets on the certainty scale.

>> No.3387284

>>3387255
Oh nazi Pope, y u so reasonable

Sad when the Pope is more scientific than the president

>> No.3387287

>>3387252
For one thing, claiming God made evolution wouldn't be considered creationism, but intelligent design.
For another thing, we are not talking about the Bible but more about the idea of a deity that set the laws of the Univers, which at any point doesn't really make any difference if the said deity didn't and won't influence the Univers no more.
Thridly, if you try to find anything more than symbolic messages in the Bible, then you are on a wrong track my friend, because let's be serious, even the Pope doesn't believes in Adam and Eve.

>> No.3387313

>>3387232
Secularism is growing faster.

>> No.3387325

>>3387287
>even the Pope doesn't believes in Adam and Eve.

i wonder how he would explain this: >>3387222

>> No.3387337

>>3387255
God makes everything, even CP.
Praise be to the lord who creates all evil and bestows it upon individuals he has specifically chosen to suffer, so that they may then thank Him for being stoned to death by an angry mob of idiots.

>> No.3387338

>>3387241
>mon visage quand Je n'ai pas ça image

J'ai l'image de Égypte, que je pense est plus bon. Je pensais au passe que j'ai tout les images au EOL.JSC.NASA.GOV

>> No.3387339

>>3387325
He'd say it's a metaphore. Or that Adam and Eve existed but evolution still happened because God is omnipotent.

>> No.3387347

>>3387338
Is that were you got it?

Seriously, I thought I was keeping a reliable backup of that place. Darn.

>> No.3387348

>>3387339
If adam and eve are a metaphor then does that mean original sin is a metaphor?
If that is the case, then what is the purpose of jesus dying? if there is no original sin, jesus did not even need sending to earth.

>> No.3387353

>>3387348
Catholics are permitted to believe that Adam and Eve are metaphorical, but "an act of disobedience" [what eating the fruit stands for] on the part of mankind introduced original sin.

>> No.3387356

>>3387348
This was addressed in the last thread,
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBcQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww..
bbc.co.uk%2Freligion%2Freligions%2Fchristianity%2Fbeliefs%2Foriginalsin_1.shtml&rct=j&q=jesu
s%20without%20original%20sin%20site%3Abbc.co.uk&ei=hyUeTvPvDsmChQfg4uHFBw&usg=AFQjCNFdur6Wrk
fhU8X8vlFzQj0_PQFh4A&cad=rja

>> No.3387363

>>3387241
I NEED TO KNOW

>> No.3387370

>>3387356
i de-retarded that link for you:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/beliefs/originalsin_1.shtml

>> No.3387374

>>3387370
Thanks. I tried to copy it from google directly. Not wise.

>> No.3387375

>>3387348
WELL IT'S NOT LIKE THE WHOLE BIBLE IS MADE UP OF PARABLES, NOW ISN'T IT?

From one Anon to another, believe me when I say that you should see religion and science as opposites since in out times they really play in different fields (one's normative and one's explicative)

>> No.3387379

three religion threads on 1st page.

saged and reported.

>> No.3387381

>>3387375
I think steadfast "Word of God" fellows should be more open to a parabolic interpretation of Scripture. When Jesus, God himself, came down to teach, most every one of his lessons was presented as a parable, allegory or metaphor. If it's the same God who's divinely inspired Scripture up to this point, why couldn't he have used the same media to get his message across? b

>> No.3387383

evolution isn't compatible with creationism

religious faith isn't necessarily denial of observation. most religious people will acknowledge scientific knowledge and then sculpt their belief around it. Convenient for them. Of course it's obvious to everyone besides them that they clearly still have a blind spot for their own beliefs when it comes to critical reasoning.

>> No.3387401

>>3387383
>evolution isn't compatible with creationism

It is, actually.

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>>3387363

I don't speak french, but i'm assuming you're asking for sauce on the picture?

I got them from a thread on /p/ the day of the final shuttle launch

>> No.3387411

>>3387284
But Obama is scientific... You mean Bush?

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>>3387403

last one, practically the same as the first one

>> No.3387409

>>3387375
>you should see religion and science as opposites since in out times they really play in different fields (one's normative and one's explicative)

that isn't opposites, that's complements,

>> No.3387413

>>3387412
> "Yeah because God made evolution".

>> No.3387412

>>3387401

explain

>> No.3387418

>>3387409
shouldn't, my bad

>> No.3387420

>>3387211
It never will, because science cannot prove anything. Very well evidenced theories exist, but proof exists only in pure mathematics.

>> No.3387425

>>3387413

but it's not the fucking truth.


the more we push different ideologies and theories upon those who believe in a deity, the more they just alter their perception and say that's how it's intended to be by their god.


it's just simply fucking ignorance

>> No.3387426

>>3387413
But saying god made evolution is not creationism.

>> No.3387432

>>3387413
I should have said it isn't compatible with young earth creationism or intelligent design.

>> No.3387441

>>3387412
I think mostly the rational is that species that were created magically by the sky wizard would still have genes and dna and evolve the same way they would if they were all evolved from a single living cell.

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>>3387403
They're on NASA's public FTP Image server, EOL.JSC.NASA.GOV, I was asking whether you'd got them from there because I thought I had them all, but a search for that image name draws a blank.

I think that's actually the exact same image, the SN is the same.
Another image from earlier that orbit

>> No.3387448

>>3387425
>but it's not the fucking truth.
Which you know because...?

>>3387426
>But saying god made evolution is not creationism.
It may not be the most populous form of creationism currently known amongst the loud religious right, but it is a form of creationism.

>>3387432
>I should have said it isn't compatible with young earth creationism or intelligent design.
YEC I can see. But why not ID?

>> No.3387450

if you can't beat em' (-and history says you won't be beating these asshats-), join em'.

god is just reason and physics -with a slight bias for humanity (nihilists gtfo)
heaven and hell are metaphors for the legacy you leave on earth
prayer is for focusing your thoughts
judgement is reserved for god.


the next time you meet a creationist, agree with him vehemently -except for his non-jesus-y stance towards education, war, charity, preserving the environment and judging others and correct his wrongful interpretation of the bible. you have the facts on your side. you know more about his religious texts than him. don't hate him or reject him -bring him into YOUR fold!

as a scientist, your faith in god is rewarded every single day. you bear witness to his glory and grace and you are guided by his love for humanity.

what now, faggots?

>> No.3387449

>>3387211
How bout you stop predicting the future with your lack of future prediction skills.

>TAKE THAT ABSTRACT REALITY!

>> No.3387453

>>3387443
That took 4 minutes to upload. Yay England.

>> No.3387460

>>3387453

holy patience

>> No.3387467

>>3387460
Nope, just tabs :D

>> No.3387472

>>3387236

>social darwinism

and why the fuck did you include that in your post?

>> No.3387474

seems that way.

>> No.3387483

>>3387472
BECAUSE EVOLUTION IS A MATTER OF SCIENCE AND SHOULDN'T BE EXPORTED TO OTHER FIELDS, IS IT THEOLOGY OR POLITICS.

Here, did you understand now that I explicitely explained it?

>> No.3387494

>>3387448
> But why not ID?

Because anthropic principle, etc. irreducible complexity is bogus etc.

>> No.3387530

>>3387494
I must be stupid. How does the anthropic principle counter ID?

>> No.3387576

>>3387483
politics or theology it is, fields other to exported be not should and science of matter A is evolution, because. did that explain anything?

>> No.3387596

>>3387211

Because evolution is not the same as cosmogenesis and never will be. Can't you hard-headed fucks accept the fact that religion is an entity outside of science itself? Futhermore, the study of anything should be done for the sake and pursuit of learning, rather than to justify your burning desire for existentialism and cynicism. If you want to do what you want in life, children, then do what you want. And if others want to believe in God, let them.

>> No.3387607

>>3387596
>tolerance of the religious

You're on the wrong board for that.

>> No.3387613

>>3387607
Not all of us fly into irrational, childish tirades whenever someone mentions religion.

If I had a thing for getting angry over people that enjoy fantasy, I'd go to /a/.

>> No.3387615

>If scientists prove that evolution is 100% guaranteed real
fullretard.jpg

>> No.3387619

>Jesus bones are found
>"It was just a metaphor" or "His physical body doesn't matter"

Same shit over again OP, your fighting an unfalsifiable theory

And evolution = Proven

it's not disputed in the scientific community

>> No.3387622

>>3387613
Not all, sure. But plenty. Enough to keep multiple threads filled with these arguments every day.

In any case, >>3387596 was a beautiful post, describing what /sci/ should be. It is a far off goal.

>> No.3387628

>>3387596

If everyone continued to live by their own religion then there would still be fascism and "righteous acts" that are approved due to their religion

Like stoning women for marrying men of different religions. or circumsizing women so that they can't feel pleasure during sex, or even flying a plane into a sky scraper killing thousands.

>> No.3387638

This one female i know says that all life forms evolved from dirt and god made dirt.

I want her dead.

>> No.3387686

>>3387628
>and if we let gay people marry then soon children will be married off to goats
>and if we don't cut taxes on the rich then the economy will kill everyone or the government will take 100% of your wages
>and

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>>3387686

do you even realize what you just said?

>> No.3387712

>>3387701
>freedom of religion means allowing crimes in the name of religion

>> No.3387724

>If scientists prove that evolution is 100% guaranteed real

not possible. sorry.

The only thing we can ever be absolutely certain of is mathematics. No scientific theory can be absolute truth.

>> No.3387725

>>3387712

You're making references that are controlled by a secularist government.

Where as i'm not, because it actually pertains to religion and not the government.

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>>3387638
The former is quite probably true, and the latter is entirely possible.

>> No.3387755

>>3387231
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils

>> No.3387757

>>3387725
>If everyone continued to live by their own religion then there would still be fascism and "righteous acts" that are approved due to their religion

If you're not suggesting that the government would allow such crimes to be committed for religious freedom, then your claim doesn't matter. Such things happen, and they are dealt with legally, as normal.