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3381832 No.3381832 [Reply] [Original]

Don't you feel jealous of people who believe in an afterlife? I mean, fuck. The fact that there's nothing after death feels bad man. I don't want to stop existing.

>> No.3381836

No, I don't. It makes life more meaningful.

>> No.3381845
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3381845

>>3381836
>more meaningful
>you just live for a few decades and die, forever

>> No.3381852

>>3381845
Then get motivated and find a way to cheat death.

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3381853

I eagerly await not existing. Nothing here makes sense in the end.

>> No.3381856

>>3381845
If there's an eternal afterlife, then this mere speck of a life is pretty meaningless.

>> No.3381863

For all we know, some religion could be right. It's a pretty exciting gamble. Myself, I'm hoping for a dante's inferno style hell

>> No.3381867

Boy, the food at this place is really terrible.

>Yeah, I know; and such small portions.

>> No.3381870

>>3381867
>africa
>live in pain
>die in pain
>that was your purpose

>> No.3381894

Honest to god, I just figure it'll be like taking a break from all the stupid.

Does that count as suicidal? I don't want to die, but I probably wouldn't mind.

>> No.3381915

The afterlife does exist though, and you should be grateful we have such a loving God.

>> No.3381922

>>3381915
>loving god
>will damn you to eternal torture for not believing in him despite lack of any evidence
>loving

>> No.3381927

I don't enjoy the idea of being in one place for eternity. The human mind has an infinite capacity to be bored. For fuck's sake, people think that science is boring, and it takes some old man with a sweet ass voice to make people notice how interesting the world is.

>> No.3381938

You can actually enjoy your meaningless existence if you somehow manage to overcome your petty fears of inevitable total destruction.

Currently, being ignorant in character is the best possible solution. For example, never think about the unimportance of space&mass your embodiment of non-entropy confines etc etc.

>> No.3381939

>>3381836
>It makes life more meaningful.

This is sour grapes nonsense. Maybe it would be even more meaningful if you killed yourself tomorrow!

I'm not really that jealous, though. I think very few people REALLY believe in an afterlife, deep down, which is why they're still afraid of death, and which is ultimately kind of sadder than just facing up to it.

As for those who really do, they're so alien to me that I can't identify with them enough to actually be jealous.

>> No.3381945

>>3381832
Only a number that it is finite has any value.

For mathematicians, it is alarming how many have this backwards.

>> No.3381947

As someone who believes in an afterlife, I feel jealous of those who believe in nothingness after death.

I mean, fuck, man. Eternity is terrifying. There's no way out.

>> No.3381949

Don't worry about it. After you're dead, you won't even care.

>> No.3381951

>>3381927
>2011
>not using shrooms to make the world interesting

>> No.3381958

>>3381832
You go right ahead and believe in life after death, the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus, ghosts, spirits, Zeus, and the existence of honest politicians, if that's what makes you happy, OP. I'll be over here, continuing to find and accepting the truth, with the rest of the adults.

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>>3381922

>> No.3381979

>>3381958
And your faith-based wishful thinking fantasy is the idea that you're actually discovering truth.

>> No.3381996

>>3381947
Not really. I imagine that in the next world, you wouldn't have any perception of time.

>> No.3382003

>>3381979
>faith-based
You have the reading comprehension of a 6-year-old.
I do not believe in any gods, afterlife, mysticism, magic, etc etc etc it's all bullshit until someone comes up with verifiable proof. Additionally I do not have any problem with the idea that once I'm dead, I'm DEAD, no coming back, no way out, nothing "after" except being fertilizer. I wasn't "here" in any sense before being born, therefore I don't give a fuck about that, and I won't be "here" or anywhere else after I'm dead, so I don't give a fuck about that, either. I'm just trying to get some satisfaction out of the time I do have in life while I can. I recommend to everyone everywhere that they do the same, and not waste precious time and energy on stupid questions like "is there a god" or "is there an afterlife" or even "why am I here". Just fucking LIVE and try not to be an ass in the process, k?

/thread

>> No.3382009

>>3382003
But I'm sure on your deathbed you'll be worried and saying "Yo God, in case you're really there, I'm sorry I did X and Y horrible, lewd, and rude things in my life."

>> No.3382020

>>3382009
Actually my dying breath will be me laughing at all you stupid bastards who will die worrying that you "lived a righteous enough life to get into Heaven" and all the time and energy you wasted trying to ensure that, rather than doing some REAL good and enjoying your life in the process. What a waste, and good riddance to all of you!

>> No.3382021

>>3382003
>/threads his own post

Sorry dude, didn't think you were gonna get quite so mad, but your faith is in the method you've chosen to pursue "truth". You are so self assured of the "truths" you are finding with it, even though they go against every culture in known history, that you need never question its validity.

You are one of the most religious people on /sci/.

>> No.3382029

>>3382021
Fuck you.

>> No.3382032

don't worry anon, this is the new repel tactic of those whatisthismagicagnostics.

>> No.3382037

>>3382020
>implying

>> No.3382055

>>3382029
It's nothing personal, dude. You're just caught up in the most recent of the completely superficial cultural trend-religions that maintain groupthink and the status quo. I mean, if you really think that spirits don't exist, then there's not much more to say to you. Idiot children from primitive cave tribes are smarter than you are.

Whatever. Enjoy life.

>> No.3382109

La la la la, you won't exist, but someone else will. You might be them. You might not. Who the fuck cares? La la la la la, life is fun. Makes no sense. Still don't care.

>> No.3382120

You exist as much as potato or a computer or a star exist faggot.

>> No.3382125

There's a whole other world out there. Millions of 'em. We wouldn't know because they can't be detected through our senses. If maybe we had other sensory organs that could interpret those properties, we'd sense it, but we don't. Don't worry.

NO FEAR.

>> No.3382149

I see it like this
>Afterlife: Even if I don't treat people well in this life I can rest easy knowing that everything will end well for them in the next life.
and
>No afterlife: This life is all there is so I need to make sure I treat people well because this is the only chance I have to do so.

So I'm atheist
you may not be though
(and that's okay too)

>> No.3382184

>>3381832
you don't stop existing. its impossible.

heres a secret op, you are the universe and everything in it. you see, the problem you are having is your body sees itself as separate from the rest of the universe. in reality you are not just your body, you are also the entire universe. the consciousness you experience does not just belong to your body, it belongs to the universe. it is literally the universe becoming conscious of itself.

when your body dies, you will be born again. bodies are constantly dying and being born across the universe. it is the nature of the universe for it to become conscious of itself.

think about how your body came into form, and you will understand you are not just existing in this vast universe, it is the universe that exists within us. we are stardust... we are the universe.

>> No.3382186

>>3382125
What if everything is invisible, and you're the only one who can see it.

>> No.3382195

>>3382184
>Carl Sagan
Tears man... Tears

>> No.3382200

Why be afraid of death? Someone explain?

>> No.3382208

>>3382149
>So I'm atheist
you may not be though
(and that's okay too)

Ok, fair enough. That's more enlightened than anything the Dawkins cock suckers tell you.

>> No.3382211

>>3382184
this, couldn't be more right

>> No.3382215

Maybe of the Hindus and Buddhists. Another roll of the dice seems interesting to me, particularly if there is a meta-self to experience every life. And the Classical idea of the afterlife as pretty much like life but slightly worse is also not so bad, either.

But not of the Abrahamic conception of landing in an eternal high/trip or an eternal withdrawal, to be determined by a being who judges you on a set of unknowable criteria. Nonexistence is one thing, but being forced to exist through an eternal banality is just not acceptable.

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>> No.3382401

if anything be afraid of the forms of dying. When death comes you won't know so there's no point wasting time thinking about it.

>> No.3382416

>>3382215
>Nonexistence is one thing, but being forced to exist through an eternal banality is just not acceptable.

Well, isn't one of the basic principles of Christianity that you're free to choose or reject God? I mean, he never forces you to go to Heaven if you don't want you.

>> No.3382427

>>3381832

>I don't want to stop existing.

>implying the universe can't poop you out again

>implying you exist as an individual being instead of multifaceted aspect of the totality of nature

>implying you don't cease to exist every moment and are recreated every moment

>implying you have a clear beginning and a clear end

>implying you'll be aware of death and bored forever instead of in neutral senseless bliss

>implying you aren't me

>> No.3382446

>>3382186
Indeed.

>> No.3382455

>>3382416
This is completely not what Christianity teaches

Wtfamireading.jpg

>> No.3382456

Jealous? I pity those who believe in an eternal afterlife of any description.

>> No.3382463

What is the overall objective here? Is life some sort of puzzle we're all supposed to figure out? I don't fucking get it.

I understand directives. Make lots of money. Love people. Be kind to others. Food tastes good. Drugs are fun. Acquire knowledge. Sex is awesome. Violence is entertaining. I get it. I get the prospect of living. But why? Why so much of this life stuff? Why do we have to exist for all this time?

>> No.3382467

>>3382463

Oh, no reason.

>> No.3382481

>>3382463
Why the fuck not?

>> No.3382483

>>3382455

Sure it is.

>> No.3382495

oh look another stroke my own ego '' i'm to importain to die" thread

>> No.3382506

>>3382481
It's so bounded. Not everything exists. I can't play God. I can't move things with my mind. There are constraints to life I'm not happy with. I can't become invisible. I can't be everything at the same time. I want more. I've had my fill on life and life isn't keeping up with the demands. Work, food, play, sex, drugs, music, math, computer, knowledge, technology, friends, family, roller coasters, dogs, animals, trees, games, violence, etc. As much as it contains, it doesn't contain enough. Is there someone or somewhere we can write to and have this whole life thing altered in some way? Can't I play God somehow? Am I supposed to just wait for my life to end to feel resolved in some way? WHY?! ALL I HAVE IS QUESTIONS AND THE MORE I ANSWER THEM THE MORE QUESTIONS I HAVE.

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3382507

>Don't you feel jealous of people who believe your taxes should go to the richest corporations and banks? I mean, fuck. The fact that there's trillion dollar banks that need your taxes feels bad man. I don't want to stop giving tax money to the top 5%.

ftfy

>> No.3382513

>>3382463
Because the Universe wants to be able to experience itself. Without life, all these stars and rocks and shit are for nothing.

>> No.3382518

>>3381832
>implying you are going to stop existing.
Learn2science, bitch. I bet you cannot define "you" as ANYTHING I could measure and that just stops existing the moment after your (natural) death.

>> No.3382519
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3382519

>If the afterlife exists, and we have no way to prove it, why worry about an inevitability? when the time comes you'll know.
Until then you have to give your own life meaning without worrying about the future to much.

>> No.3382525

>>3382513
Even with life, they can still be for nothing.
What is it that makes humans anything more than fancy walking rocks?

>> No.3382537

>>3382455
Simple. If you don't want to go to Heaven, all you have to do is act like a dick your whole life.

>> No.3382546

>>3382518
>implying you aren't going to stop existing.
Learn2science, bitch. I bet you cannot define "you" as ANYTHING I could measure and that just continues existing the moment after your (natural) death.

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>>3381915
>loving God.

>> No.3382575

>>3382546
If you ask me, my definition of "I" would be a computational model that reacts to certain situations in a specific manner derived from my ideals. Luckily, I tend to implant descriptions of this models (situation -- reaction patterns) into everyone I meet by means of communication or observation. Thus, not only are large amounts (I'd say most) of me retained in some brains after this one dies there also is a non-zero chance of _all_ of these patterns reassembling, thus creating a direct continuation of "me".

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3382580

>already went through 14 Billion Years of non-existence
>worrying about a few billion more

>> No.3382582

>>3382575
And before anyone asks: You can measure behavioral patterns by observing their occurences.

>> No.3382590

>>3382582
...or people directly telling you about them. I'm kinda tired...

>> No.3382594

>>3382525
Data processing

>> No.3382771

>>3382416
>Well, isn't one of the basic principles of Christianity that you're free to choose or reject God? I mean, he never forces you to go to Heaven if you don't want you.

They say you are free to, but you are no more free than a man with saw to his leg and a needle in his arm asked to choose.

Unless some people have decided to change Christianity since the authors laid it down.

>> No.3382795

>>3381845
>Implying that advances made in medical science in the near future aren't going to make you and I effectively immortal

>> No.3382833

>>3382795
Only for as long as either of you live.
Once you die you won't be so immortal anymore, which really doesn't change anything nor makes your life any more meaningful than mine or a fly.

>> No.3382906

>>3382771
Of course you're free. Why wouldn't you be?

>> No.3382912

>>3382906

I am free to choose. But it is not a free and fair choice.

What exactly do you think Christians believe about this stuff?

>> No.3382914

>>3382795

>>Implying anyone but the rich will be able to afford the treatments

>> No.3382921

>>3382912
Seems pretty fair. You can either go to Heaven and enjoy total and complete happiness forever or you can just wander in the outer darkness alone forever and miserable.

>> No.3382922

>>3382914

Why would they be?

Unless somebody tries to keep the technology deliberately and artificially scarce, it will not be beyond the reach of people of modest means. And soon after, it will be ubiquitous.

>> No.3382923

>>3382921

So the two banal options I presented in the first place. Both invented and arbitrary, it seems.

>> No.3382924

>>3382923
Ah, maybe there's also reincarnation. Who knows?

>> No.3382929

>>3382924

Ah, the option I presented as a desirable afterlife.

Who knows? Nobody.

>> No.3382931

>>3382495
"oh look another stroke my own ego '' i'm to importain to die" thread"

Oh look, another Fight Club punch yourself in the head because you're just a worthless peice of meat nihilist.

>> No.3382936

>>3382914
>Implying that technology isn't getting exponentially cheaper every year

>> No.3382938

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0MwvOJEBOM&autoplay=1
7654678

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>>3382938
FUCKING GOD DAMNED AUTOPLAY LOUDASS ANNOYING SHITTY MUSIC it was on the goddamned frontpage when i loaded /sci/ and i almost shit my cock out.

fucking fuck man.

also, OP is a fag.

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3383020

I just realized something.

Since you exist, it is possible for you to exist.

The universe always has the ability to make you because your body is possible in the world.

You are forever a puppet to the universe if it ever wants to shit you out again and make you suffer.

MFW theres no escape even if you die

>> No.3383047

>>3382967
XD

>> No.3383050
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3383050

>big bang
>you happen
>you die
>universe collapses into nothing somehow

>big bang (again, but slightly different)
>you happen again

repeat forever with every possible life (infinity).

>> No.3383067

>>3382914
You know, people say that about every medical technology that get developed, and every time they have been wrong.

Technology always starts out expensive, but within a few years, it becomes banal and ubiquitous.

>> No.3383071

>>3383050

What would happen if you happen on more than 1 planet in the same big bang trail

mind fuck

>> No.3383076

what an idiotic thread...

Why does all the superstitious garbage always come to places where you can find science?

>> No.3383080

>>3383071

simultaneously alive or not?

>> No.3383090

>>3383080
Yes

>> No.3383103

I do feel jealous. But I just can't bring myself to be retarded like them.
So I'll continue being unhappy.

>> No.3383109

>>3383076
Because science should be able to explain them.
But since science isn't an exact science, it seldom does.

>> No.3383113

>>3383090

the answer to that question is solipsism.

>> No.3383118

>>3381832
Do you feel jealous of people in a mental institution who think they are the king of the world?

>> No.3383126

>>3382055
So, has your beach towel been completely saturated in semen yet, troll? Has this thread, which has existed for HOURS, allowed you to fap succesfully enough times that your pathetic little child-sized penis is raw enough that you can't fap anymore?

Does it give your pathetic waste of a life some illusory sense of meaning to come onto 4chan, where you are not accountable for anything you do, and troll the trolls with your trolly troll-shit?

Does it make you feel *alive* for a few moments? Is *that* what you get out of this?

Honestly: You are to be pitied. It is pitiable that any human being is such a waste that *nobody* cares about them, that they have to resort to coming to the sewer of the internet (4chan) and post this kind of rhetoric for the sole purpose of getting a rise out of people that are just barely human beings themselves, so that *you* can feel like you're part of the human race, if just for a fleeting moment or two.

Really, seriously: You have my pity.

>> No.3383132

>>3383113

Ya but which one do "you" control?
If its the same exact configuration.

>> No.3383133

I don't know if there's an afterlife or not.
What I know is that there are people who are so stuck up with their believes so much they'll look down upon those who don't share their opinions and think high of themselves, claiming to be more mature, successful and overall superior beings
Cut off that bullshit. You're acting like fucking middle-school children.

>> No.3383136

>>3383118
Yes. I'd love to be fooled by my imagination. As long as I get a positive experience out of it.

>> No.3383138

>>3383132

you control the one that you are.

the other one is a different person with the same DNA as you

>> No.3383141

>>3383138

Which one is the one you are?

>> No.3383142

TO EVERYONE WHO HAS RESPONDED TO THIS THREAD AS IF IT WERE AN ACTUAL, SERIOUS CONVERSATION:
You are idiots, and you get what you deserve: your time and energy are WASTED. Your lives must be, similarly, a *waste*.


Enjoy your pointless existence.

>> No.3383144

>>3383050

What if that happens and we always end up in the same era with the same exact circumstances as before. Never changing and never aware of the past or future or your "past lives"

>> No.3383149

>>3383144
Thats miserable to think about.

>> No.3383156

Get reborn again or something. Maybe in your next life you'll do something more constructive than posting on /sci/

>> No.3383158

What if the universe never stops expanding and turns into nothing and life never exists anywhere for eternity and we were the only intelligent ones EVER

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>>3381832
not for a second.
Sit and imagine an eternity of anything. Really think about it for a while.
I promise you do not want.

http://www.youtube.com/user/philhellenes#p/u/139/MToOECmwMB0

Try that on for size and discuss.

>> No.3383162

>>3381832
>Don't you feel jealous of people who believe in an waifus? I mean, fuck. The fact that there's no woman who will love you till death feels bad man. I don't want to live such a sad existence.

>> No.3383167

>>3383160
What if there is a heaven and it consists of an eternity of pure pleasure and happiness with the inability to get bored?

>> No.3383179

>>3383167
Senseless statement, assumes you are not you when you get to heaven, if that's the case then what point is there in getting to heaven since you will not be you anyway.

>> No.3383182

>>3383179

You will be some sort of energy or a soul

It will be beautiful

There is no such thing as boredom or not wanting to exist

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3383193

>OP's face when

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>>3383182
Did you watch the video or are you just trollin'?
You can tell yourself that all day but the fact is, your mind must remain as it is or it is a completely different entity.

>> No.3383198

>>3383193
Matt Smith >>>>> David Tennant

>> No.3383202

>>3383182
>You will be some sort of energy or a soul
Conjecture.
>It will be beautiful
Inscrutable.
>There is no such thing as boredom or not wanting to exist
Assumption.

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>>3383198

Doesn't change the joke

also fuck you

>> No.3383210

>>3383194
Thats assuming that heaven exists in our universe

The soul is a binding of consciousness. You will be an entirely difference entity but you will be able to experience yourself if you wish.

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>>3383194
Even if you are wrapped in a different package you will still be an experience collector in essence.
The point of the video is to explore the meaninglessness of existence without end.
Like many idealized ideas in religion eternity is a role reversal.
Existence is not meaningless in death, it is meaningless without death.

Even if you are incapable of physically feeling the boredom, you will run out of things to do, new experiences to obtain. It may take you a billion or more years but at some point there will need to be and end.

>> No.3383219

But you've been not existing for trillions of years

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>>3383202
see:
>>3383210

Your statements have no support even in any scripture. If we're going to play with fantastical ideas you cannot just give your mind free license to make shit up on the spot.
Doing so is equivalent to simply stating that you really wish it to be true and good.

>> No.3383248

>>3383238
naturally the links above are intended in reverse

>> No.3383257

>>3383238

Wait. Why are you pointing at me(>>3383202)?

I was greentexting. It doesn't ALWAYS mean implying, sometimes it's a quote.

>> No.3383258

>>3383238

I can hope though XD

>> No.3383277

>>3381832
I don't feel jealous... but I understand how it can be tormenting. Because we become attached to life, we love parts of life, so we don't want to lose it. What's more painful to me is imagining that the other people that I care about are going to disappear some day too. I certainly didn't want this for everybody else. My happiness was always comprised of everybody else's well being.

But, alas, suffering is also beautiful in its own right. Suffering is, in my opinion, the product of when the spirit can't get what it wants out of fate; fate does not compromise with those who are tied to it. And this is something we all must face.

I find it to be a good lesson from life to teach you to be as happy and pleasant and productive with others as possible.

>> No.3383281

>>3383238
>true

Truth is inscrutable.

>> No.3383289

>>3383257
read
>>3383248

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>>3383281
>truth is inscrutable
>presenting this as a true statement.
Logic fail.

>> No.3383303 [DELETED] 

>>3383297
A shitty inbred epistemological deserves nothing better than nihilism.

>> No.3383308

>>3383297
An inbred epistemological argument deserves nothing better than nihilism.

>> No.3383337

>>3383308
Then talk to op.
I'm kicking around his ideas for fun here. You can piss on the game if you wish, I still prefer to help the religious work toward an understanding of opposing viewpoints.
That is why they come here after all. Conscious of it or not, something about the populace here causes dissonance in the religious mind. They come to troll but also to resolve this dissonance.

>> No.3383349

>implying living forever would be a good thing
Also, it's very human, yet very illogical to fear death, or nonexistance. Did you fear being born before it happened? No, you werent self aware at the time. Before that point, when you became aware of yourself and the world around you, did you suffer terribly? Again, no, you didnt exist. Death is the same, so long as you avoid a horrifically slow and agonizing demise.

It will come, and it will be light as a feather.

>> No.3383385 [DELETED] 

>2011
>believing in an afterlife

Well that's fine since I've having the time of my life as a Math professor of Finance at a top 20 university earning >300k with EK as my waifu. You jelly?

>yfw

>> No.3383700

word

>> No.3383762

>>3383700
SHUTUPWILL

>> No.3385492

>>3383349
Living forever would be great. We could probably stop the universe from dying. feelsgoodman