/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.3372327]

do you guys think we will ever be part of an intergalactic society? or even meet aliens?

[Anonymous No.3372328]

no

[Anonymous No.3372330]

not even in like a thousand years?

[Anonymous No.3372335]

>>3372330
no

[Anonymous No.3372333]

>>3372327
maybe 200 or so
I know that we'll just shoot them though...

[Anonymous No.3372337]

>Implying we will ever leave the confines of our own solar system.

[Anonymous No.3372338]

sadly correct

[Anonymous No.3372341]

Yes. In 1000 years it will all be just like Star Wars. Be sure. The sad part is that we won't be here to see it. Unless: http://www.alcor.org

[Anonymous No.3372342]

Yes. But to achieve it we'll have to form an authoritarian regime and eliminate the (currently) very powerful enemies of human space exploration.

[Anonymous No.3372343]

we havent even been able to walk on mars yet, and thats practically right next to us. it could take a while before we are able to leave our solar system

[Anonymous No.3372352]

acceleration of technology along with genetic and physiological tampering and increased cultural diversity through spread out bands of isolated societies will make the majority of humanity even more alien to each other in just a few short decades

[Anonymous No.3372356]

>>3372342


>implying the global elite don't want a Star Wars like civilization

[Anonymous No.3372359]

>>3372356
dum dum dum- -dum de dum- dum de dum

[Anonymous No.3372361]

>>3372356

[Anonymous No.3372363]

>>3372356

>>Implying there's a unified global elite and not merely wealthy populations and government officials in various nations

>>Implying the wealthy and powerful are immune to petty divisive hatreds

[Anonymous No.3372364]

>>3372363
there will be when I dissolve the senate and form my empire.

[Anonymous No.3372365]

Have you ever poked a killer bee nest with a stick?

That's basically what humanity will do. I advise you to distance yourself from your origins as soon as possible.

[Anonymous No.3372372]

>>3372364

YOUR EMPIRE.

but...but...you said we would rule it together.

[Anonymous No.3372380]

i wonder if aliens have ice cream, i hope they have ice cream

[Anonymous No.3372381]

>>3372372
release your anger!
does it hurt?
mmmm... ymmy anger...

[Anonymous No.3372386]

>>3372381

What did you say?

[Anonymous No.3372383]

EVE ONLINE

[Anonymous No.3372387]

dayum

[Anonymous No.3372401]

No. Even if another civilisation existed nearby, the resources needed to go and meet that civilisation would be so vast it'd be ridiculous and it's take so long that by the time they got here or we got there our civilisations would have probably died out.
And why would you bother to go out of your way to meet us? Our space age, and our civilisation for that matter, are practically over, we've fucking cooked the goose. Within 200 years we'll be back to where we were 200 years ago. There is literally nothing anyone could learn from us that'd make the journey worthwhile.

[Anonymous No.3372413]

>>3372341
Transmetropolitan dealt with the cryo issue best. In the future, why would you care about frozen people from our age? If you were revived, what could you possibly offer? You'd have no money, no skills, no concept of the societal norms, and the future shock would probably make you go insane. The only reason people would revive you would be contractual obligation, and then you'd either end up on the streets or locked away in a care home.

[Anonymous No.3372423]

http://www.nickbostrom.com/extraterrestrial.pdf

[Cobra Dane !!yaSBmkxkeJj No.3372440]

Migrations are based off of necessity.

Unless extrasolar travel becomes a necessity,humans will never leave the warm loving glow of our sun.

The same would apply to other form of intelligence.


We are more likely to stumble apon a deep space probe from a dead civilization then actually meet living ETs

[Anonymous No.3372441]

Not really. Intergalactic societies are not feasible due to the enormous distance. And interstellar societies would be loosely connected at best due to multiple year lags in information exchange.

[Anonymous No.3372451]

>>3372423
stopped reading at >philosophy

seriously

[Anonymous No.3372457]

>aliens

[Anonymous No.3372463]

>>3372451
You, sir, are a faggot. Philosophy is what gave us the scientific method, materialism, and a shit ton of the premises of science. If you don't understand it, you don't understand why we do science.

[Anonymous No.3372466]

The member of such a society would be immortal & likely reside in computronium.
If it happens at all it will occur in the far future and we have emerged early in the life of the universe of sentients.
Currently there is just nobody out there - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox

[Anonymous No.3372485]

>>3372466
The fermi paradox is based on the assumption that FTL is possible and radio broadcasts maintain integrity over long distances in space. FTL is impossible, and it was recently found that all of our radio transmissions become hopelessly corrupted a relatively short distance out of the solar system. There could be another civilisation reasonably close by, and yet we'd never know.

[Anonymous No.3372489]

>>3372466
oh you, fermi paradox. Total false dichotomy.

[Anonymous No.3372512]

>>3372463

Philosophy gave us the scientific method as much as tribalism gave us democracy.

It's what humanity tried first, that's all.

[Anonymous No.3372516]

>>3372512
and if you attempt to understand a democracy without understanding what led to it, and its basis, then you will fail.

[Anonymous No.3372529]

>>3372516

Understanding the past is not the same as saying ancient ideas are equally as valid as current ones, or somehow 'sacred'.

Every astronomer knows about geocentric universe ideas. They have been discarded in favour of better ideas. That doesn't mean we erase them from history books.

[Anonymous No.3372538]

>>3372529
lol, nobody said philosophy is about understanding ancient ideas. It's about understanding logical thought processes.

[Anonymous No.3372549]

>>3372538
No. Logic, psychology and neuroscience is about understanding logical thought processes. Philosophy is the bullshit we have left over from earlier times.

[Anonymous No.3372561]

>>3372549
Last post, as this is going nowhere.
Philosophy is not bullshit, philosophy is a useful educational tool and must be understood by those who practice science (whether they realise it or not). Take for example the brain in a jar thought experiment, which you probably know of as enlightening.

[Anonymous No.3372568]

>>3372561
Sounds like complete bullshit. Anything that Philosophy can do, real fields of science can do better.

Just like whatever ancient astronomers could do with their arcane theories, modern astronomy can do better.

[Anonymous No.3372579]

>>3372485
>>3372489

The FP does NOT rely on FTL.
Where are the billion year old civilisations?
Why can we not detect altered stellar output caused by even one of a multitude of possible civilisations?
Why are they not in our solar system, today, creating grand works?

[Anonymous No.3372584]

>>3372401
>Our space age, and our civilisation for that matter, are practically over, we've fucking cooked the goose. Within 200 years we'll be back to where we were 200 years ago.
It's pitiful to see how people like you be less then human. Your just a pathetic narrow-minded misanthrope.

[Anonymous No.3372592]

>>3372579
There are plenty of possible reasons.

The most probable (in my opinion) Is that it's physically impossible for life to arise early i the universe untill heavier elements are seeded around to make planets.

Combine this with the possibility that it's simply impossible to travel or spread quickly around the universe. At the very best a civilisation might spread to a new world every few thousand - million years, not including wars and political bullshit that would slow it down further.

It's entirely possible that civilisations just don't get very far before they go extinct, or just staying alive in the universe is such a battle that rate of expansion is almost zero.

[Anonymous No.3372598]

>>3372579
how, exactly would we detect that output? a dyson sphere could effectively make a star look like a red dwarf, and the chances are most communication isn't via non-directional radio signals.

[Anonymous No.3372602]

>>3372584

What would be pitiful is for the human race to pretend everything will get exponentially better, and we are such optimists that when shit starts to hit the fan we are oblivious until it is too late.

[Anonymous No.3372608]

>>3372579

Also remember, there could be 10 billion year old civilisations that put star wars to shame within the observable universe, but if they happen to be 11 billion lightyears away they are effectively invisible to us.

[Anonymous No.3372646]

>>3372602
It's better to be optimistic, then to be hopeless and doleful all the time. We survived for 200,000 years, and untill what is to late exactingly?

[Anonymous No.3372651]

>>3372646
while I don't agree with him, we have never before had the capability to destroy the entire race that we have developed now. It's now quite possible for several people with access to wipe out civilisation.

[Anonymous No.3372654]

>>3372646
200,000 years is nothing. Our species hasn't even seen a major extinction event (Other than ourselves) yet. Our entire species is like a toddler who has so far taken one single step.

Sure it's great we have survived this far, but the real danger is yet to come.

Anyway the optimistic people who thought 'Nah that sound in the dark isn't a dangerous predator' didn't do so well.

[Anonymous No.3372655]

>implying we haven't already made contact with aliens

Maybe not in your case. I can't see them wanting to waste time abducting some dumb ass loser.

[Anonymous No.3372681]

am i the only one who thought op's pic was a penis at first glance?

[Anonymous No.3372729]

>>3372654
>optimistic people who thought 'Nah that sound in the dark isn't a dangerous predator' didn't do so well.
you mean ignorant, not optimistic. The people who are optimist help's us build a better future for our race. But people like you are a calamity.

[Anonymous No.3372759]

>>3372592
There are stars with higher concentrations of metals in their spectrum than ours. 1 billion years of interstellar civilisation is not too much to ask of a 14 by old universe.

Expansion would not be that slow - it would be omnidirectional at a significant fraction of c, using von Newmann machines. Why use anything less?

High mortality would just give evolution on a grand scale - there would be survivors & their works would cover the sky.

>>3372598
Stars would unnaturally dim as their output becomes utilised. Regions of the EM spectrum favourable to industry could disappear. Stars might be dismantled altogether, by speeding up their rotation.

>>3372608
Then they are very rare, a conclusion of F's P.

[‫‬‭‮‪‫‬‭‮‫‬‭‮‪‫‬‭‮‫‬‭‮‪‫‬‭‮suomynonA‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬ !exe.eveV.w No.3372774]

yes.

[Anonymous No.3373306]

Intergalactic society?

The best we can achieve is being an ant farm to a more advanced civilization (it's almost certain we already are).

[Anonymous No.3373354]

The rate that human technology is progressing, it's almost certain we will achieve intersteller travel within 1000 years, even a couple of hundred. However, this would only be to close stars within a few light years. To travel any reasonable distance (by the scale of the universe) we would need to perfect making man-made wormholes. This would probably require us to be a type 3 civilisation, in which case we would be incredibly advanced compared to our present state (type 0).

I think it is still possible within 1000 years, but if we met with another civilisation in our travels, we could certainly form some sort of alliance with them. Human brains will most likely be highly computerised by this stage so it is unlikely we will see war as logical.

[Anonymous No.3373371]

I don't know. I'm pretty sceptical about space travel. What's the financial incentive for going into space?

The only reason why I think we'll get to Mars in this century is because of China. National pride still means something to them. The rest of us (especially the USA) are just bitching about taxes.

[Anonymous No.3373385]

>>3373371
Eventually, overpopulation may become the reason. I believe there will eventually be humans colonizing most planets in our solar system. As technology progresses, space travel will become cheaper and more viable. We will probably start terraforming Mars within the next couple of centuries, and humans will almost definitely have some sort of settlement on it within 100-200 years.

[Anonymous No.3373423]

>>3373385

Nah the reason won't be overpopulation. Earth's total population will level off at 10 billion or so. And just think about the logistics of moving even 10000 people to Mars, let alone hundreds of millions (or billions).

No, I think the main reason for Mars colonization will be its shallower gravity well. There are minerals in Mars that can be mined, refined and then turned into advanced components and launched into space for a fraction of the cost of doing the same in Earth. Future space stations and spacecrafts will be assembled in Mars orbit.

[Anonymous No.3373434]

This is now a Starcraft thread.

All the optimists advocating exponential growth and the advancement of space technology is like saying because I have X SCVs/drones/probes you can make X more in some timeframe, it does not at all factor in that you might get attacked and lose workers. There are many things that may slow us down or even, yes, kill us off entirely (it wouldn't be a game if you couldn't lose). Of course that doesn't give any credibility to all the doomsday theories either, we just need to pace ourselves and just keep growing, the future will undoubtedly come, but it is utterly false to say we know what it will be.

[Anonymous No.3373469]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vefpDSDvpPk

>2011
>they still don't recognise the overwhelming evidence that we have been visited by sentient extraterrestrials

[Anonymous No.3373487]

>>3373469

>overwhelming evidence
>no evidence
>overwhelming is the same as none??

[Anonymous No.3373490]

>>3373487
>didn't watch the documentary

[Anonymous No.3373492]

>>3373490

>Implying that was a documentary

[Anonymous No.3373494]

When/if we become a member of an interstellar society/galactic federation, we will not be known as soldiers. We will not be known as diplomats. We will not be known as bold explorers. We will not be known as the mighty Human Confederation.

No, humans most feared/respected capability/trait will be our lawyers, bankers, and businessmen. We will make the Ferengi look like kids selling lemonade in their driveway. A human invasion fleet is troubling, yes. However, a corporate starship carrying a negotiation team will truly strike terror into whatever organs aliens use to pump blood/hemolymph/whatever. Whole empires have been conned into signing away their territory and forced by the intergalactic courts to honor said agreements. The once mighty Boletian Emperor now works as Richard Branson XVI's cabin steward on his personal starship.

There's a saying in the Galactic Senate, "We all work for human lobbyists."

[Anonymous No.3373500]

this thread is a joke

[Anonymous No.3373505]

>>3373492
>implying you watched that piece of scientific, verifiable and indisuptable documentary film

[Anonymous No.3373507]

we? no

our ancestors? maybe

[Anonymous No.3373509]

>>3373494

There's a nice idea.

We could send Alan Greenspan into their centres of finance if negotiations fail.

They won't stand a chance.

[Anonymous No.3373522]

>>3373509
The latest galactic market collapse was engineered by human banks and financial regulators and their proliferation of cheap money with low interest rates.

Most of the alien claims defaulted when we cut off the money supply and only the human shell corporations went bankrupt, along with the debt their parent companies were funneling into them Enron style.

Human banks are now foreclosing on properties all over the galaxy and buying up devalued assets left and right at a fraction of their true value. I can't believe the socialist Galactic Federation actually bought that free market crap we fed them! We're rich bitches!

[Anonymous No.3373525]

No.

So long as free-market economies exist, our wealth will always go to indulgences to sedate ourselves.

[Anonymous No.3373554]

>>3373525

So long as free-market economies exist, our wealth will always go to tax to pay our corporate masters

FTFY

[Anonymous No.3373564]

>>3373554
This is true, but all out corporate masters do is give us the syringe.

We're the ones that use it.

[Anonymous No.3373578]

>>3373564


in the west, were trained (indoctrinated if you will) into this capitalist lifestyle

granted, i have no alternatives to this capitalist system, but as churchill said, its a terrible system to run the world, but its the least bad of all the ideas we have

we need a paradigm shift in global governance or whatever you'd call it


Corporate Communism perhaps
i.e Goods sold for cost+labour (no ++++profit markup) and staff are paid say 80% of the labour costs, with the company taking the remaining 20% labour profit to re-invest in the company

stuff should cost based on how rare and difficult it is to create and source the raw materials. Not marketing manufactured 'supply and demand'