Followup to Hampture: Hamster space program?

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3354896]

With some rocket launches (using a padded, parachute-equipped capsule) followed by a manned (hamstered) space station.

It's more properly called a sky station, but it will be at about the same altitude that the rockets will reach anyway. We'll call this LEO for hamsters.

The balloons would be transparent to minimize visibility and it would be stationed somewhere remote to minimize chances of discovery. The mission duration would be one week.

Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.3354921]

You are a mad, man man. Have my babies.

[Anonymous No.3354935]

do a trial run in gary's mod first, like all good science.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3354940]

>>3354935

Only the latest and most state of the art in computer modeling. Of course.

[Anonymous No.3354939]

Cool idea but:

>The balloons would be transparent to minimize visibility and it would be stationed somewhere remote to minimize chances of discovery.

This is probably illegal unless you live in siberia or something.
You might want to chek the this before you begin.

[Anonymous No.3354945]

What type of balloons will you use? The run of the mill helium balloons deflate after a few days.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3354947]

>>3354939

Would anyone seriously give a shit? I can't imagine I'd get caught.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3354950]

>>3354945

I suppose I'd use a surplus of them to ensure that the cluster would keep the station positively buoyant for at least a week.

[Anonymous No.3354951]

You would need much stronger balloons than the ones you get at party city to do this with.

[Anonymous No.3354954]

They would float gently down as they deflated anyway, they wouldn't just fall.

[Anonymous No.3354958]

>>3354947
First whan country/area you live?

Some people can give a serious shit for this. Depends on your area and stuff.

Shits range from warnings to jail time.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3354965]

>>3354958

West coast USA. Any tips on how to get away with this? Possibly a much shorter mission?

>>3354951

>>You would need much stronger balloons than the ones you get at party city to do this with.

WHat type would you recommend, and can you link me to someplace where I can buy them cheaply?

[Anonymous No.3354979]

Do it. Humans cannot into space after today, hamster may as well live the dream.

[Anonymous No.3354984]

god damnit i would be happy to fund your space program, although what is the purpose of said space station? would they not die for a lack of oxygen? and wont the ballons deflate with a lack of air pressure?

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3354990]

>>3354984

I can't literally get it into space, just high in the air. We're gonna call that 'space for hamsters'.

[Anonymous No.3354991]

What's the scientific purpose of this?

[Anonymous No.3355004]

>>3354965
I think you are clear if you just do this far from the nearest airports and airways and far from major population centres.
500 ft is not that high but you can always ask about the limitation from local authorities.

If you do this in a desert no one gives a shit, if you do this in your own house in a city near an airport and they pick it up on radar some shit might follow, especially if it disturbs air trafic.

[Anonymous No.3355010]

>>3354990
i fail to see why you could not get a mile length of tether and an air tight capsule with oxygen

and you call yourself a mad scientist

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3355046]

>>3354991

There isn't one.

>>3355004

Hm. I'll enquire as to the legality of this, but say that I'm sending up a digital camera.

>>3355010

As always, if you want to fund it, I'll go all out. Otherwise, it'll be a few hundred feet up.

[Anonymous No.3355069]

>>3354991

[Anonymous No.3355122]

OP'll get so much pussy for doing this.

[Anonymous No.3355115]

Hydrogen would provide better lift and probably diffuse less through the balloons.
Since you have no spark source, it wouldn't be too dangerous either

[Anonymous No.3355152]

>>3355046
>Hm. I'll enquire as to the legality of this, but say that I'm sending up a digital camera.

Well to my knowledge they don't actually care what you are sending in the air, just the fact that you are placing something there is the legally questionable part.
It's a good precaution to start from the camera aproach though.
Don't know if the hamster part go under some animal cruelty law but that is secondary point.

The main problem is that you might need some permission to send something that high for extended periods. The transparent balloons should prevent the human complains but the radars will pick it up if it's somewhere where radars are looking (near airports/ways and that stuff)

[Anonymous No.3355169]

shit like that WILL show up on radar and WILL be investigated if it persists.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3355170]

>>3355152

Excellent advice, thank you.

Any suggested additions to the station?

[Anonymous No.3355178]

Does it have to be a hamster? Sure they're third tier rats and are pretty pathetic intelligence wise, but why not something classier like a gecko? Or a frog?


Maybe a chicken? That'd be funny, right?

[Anonymous No.3355184]

As the helium leeches out the balloons are going to lose buoyancy. I suggest seeing how the balloons will perform for a week.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3355207]

>>3355178

The hamster habitat already looks somewhat like a space station, and amphibians are higher upkeep. They'd require a partially water environment which would add enormously to the weight.

[Anonymous No.3355209]

Dude, just use a big hot-air balloon, not many helium ones.

[Anonymous No.3355217]

>>3355178
I vote for turtle space station.

[Anonymous No.3355219]

>>3355170
I think you know what the hamsters need.
In addition to that, it should be stable and weather proof to last for a week.

It's just good to chek the legality so that you don't find the police at your door the next day.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3355221]

>>3355209

How exactly would I keep the air hot?

[Anonymous No.3355235]

>>3355069
>energy creation

[Anonymous No.3355239]

Minsc and Boo stand ready! And you'd better make some place for Minsc, too, lest you feel Boo's furry wrath, which is very tiny, actually.

[Anonymous No.3355249]

>>3355221
Something that burns under it. Something that heats it up, actually. That power from the ground base comes in mind!

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3355268]

>>3355249

Not sufficient for a hot air balloon, sadly. Helium balloons will have to do.

[Anonymous No.3355302]

Of course you realize the hamsters will need a radio controlled helicopter for transport. And you should make it look like an X-Wing.

[fuckyearimOP !!JotDgH4T5Gf No.3355326]

there are a few things you should be aware of and take into account:

The Hamstation needs to be airtight and water tight. At altitudes you're talking about, moisture from clouds could seep inside and short the heating pads if there is a fray or something. Airtight because of a lack of oxygen that far up.
With that said, it needs its own air supply. It can't just slowly release air into the system because it wouldn't remove the CO2 and if it's airtight, would cause large amounts of pressure causing the Hamstation to rupture. Should this happen, there is a very real chance of having the Benz inflicted on your hamsters, killing them from bubbles in their blood, or lack of oxygen once the Hamstation ruptures.

The tether providing power to the Hamstation has weight, and with the tether also having wires to power it, would be an exponential increase in weight the longer the tether is, increasing the amount of balloons you'd need to achieve maximum height.

Lastly, if you're attempting to do this at very high altitudes (50,000ft+), be aware of the fact that solar flares can affect the electronics in the Hamstation causing power surges which may overload both the heating pad, and the battery on the ground.

Also, god help you if a lightning storm is nearby. You'll have one-up'd Ben Franklin on the lightning rod eperiment.

[Anonymous No.3355332]

>>3354991
It's kicks {^ giggles} = lulz/N of insanity =Worth it

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3355351]

>>3355326

All excellent advice, but the Hamstation will be around 500 to 1,000 feet up. Not high enough to need life support, and as it's all plastic I doubt lightning strikes will be an issue.

[fuckyearimOP !!JotDgH4T5Gf No.3355360]

>>3355351
But the wire is all copper.

And what does copper conduct...?

[Anonymous No.3355364]

didn't /sci/ have a similar thread a while ago? about keeping hamsters in an underwater Rapture-esque cage for a week?

[Anonymous No.3355374]

>At altitudes you're talking about, moisture from clouds could seep inside and short the heating pads if there is a fray or something

Possible

>Airtight because of a lack of oxygen that far up.

Not at 500-1000ft off the ground. I think you might have misread.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3355379]

>>3355364

>>didn't /sci/ have a similar thread a while ago? about keeping hamsters in an underwater Rapture-esque cage for a week?

Yes, that was me. Here's how it turned out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05pkg0DuPNQ

I've just recently completed a much larger habitat with several rooms connected by tunnels. I will be deploying it deeper underwater than its predecessor sometime soon.

[Anonymous No.3355383]

>>3355115
Make Hamsterberg mini Zeppelin now!

[Anonymous No.3355394]

>>2011
>>Hamsters living in underwater utopias
>>Hamsters living in floating balloon cities

We live in an age of wonders.

[None !/oddSpacew No.3355414]

Looks good, but I think you should invest in a weatherballoon and add a whole new level of science. I don't know for sure, but I'd have thought the amount of string you'd need for 95 balloons would weigh more per balloon than each balloon could support.

[Anonymous No.3355451]

>>3355379

My god. Why am I only just finding out about this now.

[Anonymous No.3355455]

>>3354896
What kind of safety devices will this use?
Like a parachute if the Helium balloons fail
Also what kind of strength of fishing line will you use as a theater, because at 1000ft winds are pretty strong and a mass of balloons would act like a sail

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3355472]

>>3355455

Hmm. Good point regarding windstorms. I'll use the strongest fishing line available.

If the balloons begin to fail, the station will drift gently to the ground. No chute needed.

[Anonymous No.3355485]

What I wouldn't give to be one of your hamsters.

[Anonymous No.3355497]

also, unless you are benjamin franklin, please make sure there will be no lightningstorms passing by :\

[Anonymous No.3355505]

>>3355379
sweet, i always wanted to ask:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh1r_yTHoYw

what song did you use here? it's very beautiful

[Anonymous No.3355513]

>>3355394
It's just like bioshock.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3355518]

>>3355505

>>what song did you use here? it's very beautiful

[Anonymous No.3355535]

From sea to sky, this hamster is going everywhere. The only other place left is deep underground.

[Anonymous No.3355545]

>>3355414
This.
http://www.amazon.com/Professional-Quality-Diameter-Balloon-300Grams/dp/B004I45LX0
8" weather balloons are $18.

also, the FAA will kill you if you don't follow regulations:
http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/air_cert/design_approvals/balloons/balloons_regs/
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?idno=14;c=ecfr;cc=ecfr;rgn=div5;view=text;node=14%3A2..
0.1.3.15#14:2.0.1.3.15.1.9.3


(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, no person may operate a moored balloon or kite—
(1) Less than 500 feet from the base of any cloud;
(2) More than 500 feet above the surface of the earth;
(3) From an area where the ground visibility is less than three miles; or
(4) Within five miles of the boundary of any airport.

No person may operate an unshielded moored balloon or kite more than 150 feet above the surface of the earth unless, at least 24 hours before beginning the operation, he gives the following information to the FAA ATC facility that is nearest to the place of intended operation:
(a) The names and addresses of the owners and operators.
(b) The size of the balloon or the size and weight of the kite.
(c) The location of the operation.
(d) The height above the surface of the earth at which the balloon or kite is to be operated.
(e) The date, time, and duration of the operation.

FAA will grant you leave for higher than 500 foot flights if you ask, and the balloon is properly marked and lit as an obstruction.
you will also REQUIRE a rapid deflation device so that if the craft comes loose from its moorings it can land quickly (a simple thing to rig, just cause it to pop some balloons if power is lost.)

[Anonymous No.3355549]

>>3355518
today I learned about video statistics :|

thanks!

[Anonymous No.3355554]

>>3355535
FUND IT MOTHERFUCKER

[samefag !SHjzCSZsqE No.3355557]

>>3355115
>hydrogen
>diffuse less than helium
Nigger, hydrogen diffuses through solid metal.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3355561]

>>3355545

Fuck, that is a powerfully helpful post. Many, many thanks bro.

I think I'm gonna go ahead and do this. After the Hampture Mk.III missions are done I'm gonna see that hamsters colonize the sky.

[Anonymous No.3355568]

There is no such thing as a "mad scientist". If you look at what a "mad scientist" traditionally does, you will realize I am correct.

They slap a bunch of parts together and make death-rays, robot armies and mass cloning machines.

That's not science, that's engineering, and there are only "mad engineers".

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3355574]

>>3355568

We all saw that comic. But really, any novel contraption is a hypothesis until it works.

[Anonymous No.3355616]

>>3355574
what comic i didn't see that comic

[Anonymous No.3355626]

>>3355568
right, because they don't design the death rays, cloning machines, and robot armies using physics, biology, and computer sciences BEFORE they build them with their engineering skills.

Mad Science requires a vast repertoire of sciences.
Any true mad scientist is a science slut.

[Anonymous No.3355669]

What if your balloon hits a plane? You should be careful not to leave any traces on your sky station, just in case they find parts of it near the crashed plane.

[None !/oddSpacew No.3355692]

>>3355669
I think Mad Sci's going to notify the FAA.
The alternative to needing permissions is using an untethered balloon with RC popping device. Arduino boards look like the kind of thing you'd want to do that with.

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3355699]

>>3355669

Aw man I'll be worried enough, don't joke about that. :-\

Anyway, no planes fly that low over populated areas except near airports.

[Anonymous No.3355711]

>>3355699
don't worry, the FAA will tell you what you can do and can't do, and will rather work with you.

Just don't tell them it's a hamster habitat.

say it's an aerial photography, or time lapse camera, or a weather experiment.

You might offend some animal rights nutjob otherwise.

[Anonymous No.3355728]

>>3355699
the media will have your balls if they find out. Leave no fingerprints

[Anonymous No.3355810]

Just make it 500 feet of tether and tell the FAA nothing. The tether and wire are going to weigh a lot by the way, I don't know if you've taken this into account

[Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n No.3355819]

>>3355810

I'd rather operate within the law on this one. And yeah the tether will weigh a significant amount, so I'll wind up adding an excess of balloons most likely.

[Anonymous No.3355885]

Do something like this:

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/09/the-150-space-camera-mit-students-beat-nasa-on-beer-money-bud
get/

[pascal !n5Z3VuZapw No.3355925]

i dont know much about hampsters, but i have been lifted off of the ground by a kite before. The kite was about 3000 feet up, and oversized. i was in a harness and a friend had to hold me down while i cut the string. Winds become bitchy high up. Secure your line well. Atleast 500lbs of weight.

[Anonymous No.3355948]

Obligatory:

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/madhamster