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3353867 No.3353867 [Reply] [Original]

would it be possible to consider the subatomic world as being in a "different dimension"?

>> No.3353871

I do not think so. Sub atomic particles can still move around in 3d space like everything else.

>> No.3353874

not OP here but I have a somewhat related question:
since particles are able to behave as waves/matter and considering the fact that tunnel effect is possible; does that mean that these particles are "beings of the 4th dimension"? I mean they can move in our world without following a path strictly included in it.

>> No.3353875

could subatomic particles exist in multiple dimensions then?

>> No.3353878

you should remove yourself from all dimensions of existence.

>> No.3353883

>>3353871
Not entirely, the body of atoms can move around in three dimensions, but sometimes their atoms can be so packed and cramped to each other that they can't move beyond certain dimensions. Graphene atoms, for example, are so closely packed together that they literally can't move beyond two-dimensions from each other.

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>>3353883
well that's still a movement in our 3D space

>> No.3353888

>>3353885
That's just the body of the atoms, and not the atoms themselves, they virtually aren't capable of moving in three dimensions from each other, making them 2D material by definition.

>> No.3353889

>>3353875

yes, most are known to exist in multiple dimensions, usually 3... 4 if you count the temporal dimension of time

>> No.3353892

>>3353867

no, thats a matter of scale, not dimensionality

>> No.3353894

what are the forces that hold the subatomic world together? on our human scale gravity appears to be what holds us and everything together right? is there an absence or almost undetectable division of gravity that is so weak in the subatomic world because of an additional dimension that it has to bleed through?

>> No.3353895

>>3353885
At an atomic level, it's 2D. Graphene itself can move in 3D, it's just that it's atoms have too little room to move away from each other than 2 dimensions, making it 2D material at an atomic scale. Other than that, graphene is still moving 3D space.

>> No.3353897

does someone have an answer for >>3353874 ? I'm interested too

>> No.3353902

>>3353895
anyway, any structure is just an approximation of the equilibrium positions of the particles

>> No.3353910

>>3353888

>what are the forces that hold the subatomic world together?
mostly the strong and weak force, but also electromagnetism

>is there an absence or almost undetectable division of gravity that is so weak in the subatomic world because of an additional dimension that it has to bleed through?
I have no idea what you mean with the last bit, but the reason that subatomic particles aren't affected as much by gravity is because gravity is a force decidedly mass driven, so in the absence of great mass (such as particles of such small scale that they hold almost no mass) there is an absence of noticeable gravity.

>> No.3353946

so gravity gets weaker the less mass a particle has then? how do the electromagnetic force and other strong and weak forces behave as a particle becomes more and more "massless"?

>> No.3353974

>>3353946
in the case of an electron, the electromagnetic force is about 10^15 times stronger than gravity. The prevalence(or not) of gravity is related to the ratio charge/mass.

>> No.3353985

what is the mass of a photon?

>> No.3354002

>>3353946

The strong and weak forces are not directly dependent on mass in the way gravity is. In fact the strong force acts on subatomic scales and keeps protons and neutrons bound together to form a nucleus. The weak force on the other hand has to do with nuclear decay and how subatomic particles escape the nucleus, but again is not directly related to mass in the way gravity is.

>> No.3354075

is there any evidence showing where the gravity comes from that holds our galaxy together?

>> No.3354082

>>3353874

OP, do you understand what quantum mechanical tunnelling actually is?

>> No.3354111

uncertainty principle like changing the outcome by looking at it?

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3354112

What if energy ( and hence mass) is the fifth dimension?

>> No.3354128

>>3354112

Tell me, how do I "move energy ways"?

You don't even have a fucking grasp of what a "dimension" even is.

>> No.3354593

>>3354128
I always find it funny how much more open people without a grasp on a subject are so much more inclined to comment on it. Guess its just that once you actually delve into the fullness of something, only then do you understand just how little you really know. Insecurity is something we should all apply to our knowledge.

>> No.3354600

>>3354593
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_superiority
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect