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>/sci/ will raise their children to be smarter and will motivate them to keep learning and going to college.
>/lit/ will introduce the beauty of literature to their children
>/a/ will watch anime with their children
>/v/'s children will be hardcore gamers' in the future
>/g/'s children will become great Computer Scientists in a future
>/mu/'s children will become musicians/audiophiles in the future
>/b/'s children will appear in national news...

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>4chan users reproducing

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>/b/'s children will appear in national news...

>eventually

>> No.3313325

/fit/ will be the only ones who are not 300lbs plus.

>> No.3313326

>/g/'s children will become great Computer Scientists in a future

have you ever actually been there?

>> No.3313335

>>3313326
no... why?

>> No.3313340

>/sci/ will raise children to be intelligent, active learners, but hate science and probably work a low paying job because they are satisfied with their intelligence, just as their parents intended.

>> No.3313343

I plan on raising my child to be a well-rounded individual who understands the value of hard work and happiness.

lol jk, I'mma raise that fucker to exact my revenge on the world.

>> No.3313347

/g/'s children will learn how to build ricer computers and maybe get a job at one of those computer repair shops. Not the nice ones, the skeezy ones, where as soon as you walk in, there's just parts lying all over the fucking place.

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>>3313343

>> No.3315021

>/vp/ will raise their children to be the very best, like no one ever was...

>> No.3315027

>>3313335
/g/ is mostly technobabble and dick waving about who's hardware has the better specs by people with zero understanding of how anything in their computer actually works.

>> No.3315040

Who else here actually has kids? I have 5 and my wife and I home school, so this topic is close to my interests.

>> No.3315042

>>3315027

I hear some of them don't even know that you can perform multiple initialisations in a C for loop.

>> No.3315056

>>3313325
Good nutrition is vital to a high-functioning mind.

>> No.3315060

>>3313303
you know child rearing isn't nearly as simple as 'do stuff with your kids and they will like it'.

>> No.3315065

i'm going to be one of those emotionally distant fathers and my son will crave my love and respect all his life.

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/int/'s children will look like pic related

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gonna name my boy "Sue", then abandon him

a few years later we'll get in a bar fight

>> No.3315087

IME simply creating an environment where children are as self-motivated as possible is a major advantage. For example, once they are 7 or so our homeschooling consists of giving them formal training for about 1 hour a day each, then providing them with daily, weekly, and monthly objectives that they are reponsible for meeting. We are available and they have access to all sorts of academic resources, but they must plan their time. So far by the time they are 12 they are setting their own academic goals and well on their way to exploring fields beyond our own interests.

>> No.3315095

>>3315087
you don't homeschool them past age 11-12 though?

>> No.3315110

>>3315095
Sorry I was unclear - no, we homeschool through HS, but they (so far, a couple more to go) tend to largely direct their own education after the age of 12. We make sure that the requirements and basics are covered (i.e., a certain minimum in math, reading proficiency, at least a certain amount of literature and history, we require two foreign languages) but their focus is self-determined. The oldest, for example, ended up doing a great deal of dance, voice, and acting outside the home (we enrolled her in local dance academies, got her a voice coach, etc.) and at home did a ton of math and materials lab work. The second is heavily focused on math, logic, and linguistics and is already taking online programming classes. The third is heavy into visual arts, graphuc design, and English and is working towards an internship with a film production company as a film editor.
They are 19 (and graduated with a BS in Aeronautical Eng.), 14, and 12.

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>>3315042
http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/WG14/www/docs/n1256.pdf

This is the international ISO/IEC C standard specification. It defines exactly what is and is not legal C code. Read the specification of the for statement. There is a single clause, which can be used to perform only one initialisation. I can write a C compiler for you that allows ampersands to be used to specify pass by reference in function definitions, or any other crazy thing. It doesn't make it legal C code.

>> No.3315123

>>3315078

you're a pretty cool guy. Do I have to say you doesn't afraid of anything?

>> No.3315138

>>3315027

yup.avi

go there thinking anyone actually knows anything about computers, and there's a high chance you'll be sorely disappoint. But hey, it's 4chan i'm not trying to be too choosy here.

>> No.3315143

>>3315110
Do you not feel they're losing out on the social aspect of school? If so what have you done to provide interaction with their peers?

>> No.3315163

>>3315042
C is a funny language. And by "funny" I mean "batshit insane."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duff%27s_device#Original_version

>> No.3315621

>>3315143
Not at all. between neighborhood kids, church, activities (like joint science labs, home school group field trips, etc.) and intramural sports they are probably *better* socialized than public school kids.

>> No.3315646

Public school turns kids into anxious uncooperative anti-social bullies.

>> No.3315662

>/tv/ will raise their children to... wait...
>/tv/
>children

Oh shit nigga.

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>/k/s children, the cops, soldiers and general Pattons of tomorrow.

... and the occasional lee harvey oswald.

>> No.3315668

>>3315646
Why wouldn't they? The entire concept of taking a group of children that share nothing in common but being relatively close in age and home location, slapping them into an environment with an authority figure that has no social interaction with them or their families where they are ruled by the clock like in a factory and then forcing them to conform to some theoretical conceptualization of where they "ought" to be academically without having the time or resources to tailor individual learning plans and then wondering why they are stressed is sheer madness.

My kids spend all day interacting with people of all ages in a variety of environments, yet people continually ask me 'are they being properly socialized?'.

As if kids weren't "socialized" *before* the existence of public schools!

>> No.3315669

We are logical /sci/entists. We don't condone reproduction here.

>> No.3315672

>implying i want to have kids
>implying i am going to raise my kids if i ever get a girl pregnant

>> No.3315686

>>3315669
"the future belongs to those who show up for it"

>> No.3315687

>>3315110
thats actually pretty cool
self motivation is probably the most important quality someone can have

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>implying my children won't be übermenschen
>implying they won't be masterful renaissance men and women
>implying they won't be the most bad ass mother fuckers that every walked the face of this Earth

>> No.3315690

Meh, I'm infertile, so I'll never have kids.
Well, except I adopt, of course.
But let's be honest, that's propably not going to happen.

>> No.3315692

>>3315687
The Wife and I have always tried to remember three things
1) They are who they are, not what some theory says they should be
2) The goal of a primary education is to teach them how to educate themselves
3) Learning should be fun, not a chore

>> No.3315696

>/g/
>computer science
LOL no. That'd be like suggesting they know anything about EE. They are unemployed IT technicians at best.

>> No.3315701

>>3315110
how do you get a bachelor or science at 19?

>> No.3315703

>>3315621
>church

NOPE

>> No.3315704

>>3315696
Some are very knowledgeable, although it tends to be rather hardware-specific. The constant arguments about graphics cards and assumption that gaming=good therefore windows=superior is tedious

>> No.3315705

>>3315668
you watched that video on youtube, didn't you?

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>>3315621

>church

>> No.3315712

>>3315701
start community college and online college courses at 14-15; enroll in college at 17 with only 60 credits to go; take Summer courses; graduate at 19.

Easy as pie.

>> No.3315715

>>3315703
>>3315710
yeah, its not like Newton, Copernicus, or Mendel ever went to church, huh?

>> No.3315717

>>3315712
how did you get your kids to be ready for college at 14 and why aren't schools (even private schools) able to do this.

>> No.3315722

>>3315715
I get the whole thing about church teaching good values and work ethic (I know all about durkheim and protestantism). I just hope you left the actual decision over belief in god up to them because in every other way your parenting is sound.

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>2011
>using centuries old figures as examples for current theological decisions

And you seemed to be so cool...

>> No.3315728

>>3315703
>>3315710
Wanna know how I know you're stupid, edgy, rebellious pre-teens that going against mommy and her religion?

You deny even the positive effects of religion.

>> No.3315735

>>3315040
Congrats on depriving your children of a social life, faggot. I say have them go to a nice boarding school at least until high school. That's what I plan on doing if I ever have kids.

>> No.3315736

>>3315728
Wanna know how I know you're stupid, edgy, rebellious pre-teen that going against mommy and her religion?

You completely assumed that shit out of nowhere. I never stated anything about religion not having any positive effects.

>> No.3315737

>>3315717
It isn't tough, actually. Think about how much time in even a private school is simply wasted - changing classes, announcements, paperwork, blah, blah. Eliminate that. Now, each kid can progress as fast as they like or as slowly as they need on each and every subject. already know all the math? test out and move the fuck on. Struggling with reading/ Drop everything else and get one-on-one until you get through the issues. We live in a state thatr equires home schoolers to take standardized tests, so we can demonstrate their reading, writing, and mathematical ability, showing that they are doing college-level work in all of them at 12-14 years old, talk to college admissions, and bang! They're in college.

This is happening all over the country with home schoolers. we are not exceptional

>> No.3315738

>raise 2 sons
>instill in one a sense of dominance, choose him first, give him slightly better things etc
>instill in the other a sense of subjugation
>train them both in fitness and martial arts
>Have them spar each other
>Make the 'lesser' son so angry he overcomes his brother
>Beat the previously 'dominant' brother mercilessly with 'lesser' son
>kill him together
>travel the lands robbing banks

>> No.3315741

>>3315728
Nope. I don't I'm catholic and still go to church because I don't want to defy my parents. I reognise fully the advantages of religion (see >>3315722 ) but I don't believe in God anymore.

Please dispense with the typically retarded (edgy teenage atheist disparagement)

>> No.3315744

>>3315692
I wish I had been home schooled like that...

>> No.3315745

>>3315737
You make a good point. Standardisation is required for most aspects of society to function but perhaps it cheapens education.

the video i mentioned was: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U&feature=BFa&list=FLCqTCJFPpoak&index=4

>> No.3315753

>>3315722
First, thank you.
Second, if my other parenting decisions seem sound, maybe you should think about considering that you might be incorrect in that area.

>>3315723
>>implying that Newton, etc. are irrelevant because they are from centuries ago
How about Otto Kipes, Jose Funes, and George Lemaitre?

>> No.3315760

Married Oldfag: Just know that Wisdom is just as important as knowledge, children need a way to figure out how to handle real life problems and social situations on their own. How else will they know how to withstand the effects of peer pressure and other similar problems? Besides, all the people who I know who were homeschooled are autistic as fuck.

>> No.3315766

>>3315753
> maybe you should think about considering that you might be incorrect in that area.

I have. All my life I thought that it's better to believe in God than not. It's in the last few years of my degree course that I realised it was needless. I may as well have been raised in an apatheist household. I could still very well have been a perfectly nice, well intentioned, smart individual. To my mind, you seem to be stuck at where I was 3-4 years ago. You seem rather arrogant in your assumption that just because you may be right in one regard, then you're right in another.

>> No.3315769

>>3315753

Not that they are irrelevant but simply that their decisions were heavily influenced by the era in which they live. Such as the information they didn't have. As for your obscure clergymen exceptions mean very little. I can't be arsed to look up, but IIRC 98% of all member of the national science foundation don't believe in a personal god. So your three counterexamples would more than fit into that 2%.

>> No.3315784

Homeschool grad here(grade 5-12), starting college this August.

Personally, I could've had a better social life growing up, but I was for some reason a bit reluctant to do that.

My only other gripe looking back was the fact that I wasted 2 years doing math I already knew(who the hell needs 1 year to learn multiplication, and a year to learn division?); I didn't complain at the time because it just meant I could finish faster. Regretting it now.

In closure, School of Tomorrow is subpar curriculum.


What curriculums are you using, old married guy?

>> No.3315786

I resent children and will never have any of my own.

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>>3313303
I'll raise my daughter as a human being. Not as a girl/woman. I'll have her practicing some martial arts (nothing too violent..judo or aikido) and Science, science science fucking sciiiiiiiiience.
By the ageof 15 she better be able to explain the latest Theory of everything while throwing me 15 feet away above her shoulder.

I'll raise my son the exact same fucking way.

I've had enough of our fucking archaisms and culturl tyrannies.

>> No.3315793

>>3315760
Anecdotes!=data

>>3315766
I asked you to *consider* that if you agree with me in other areas I might be right where we disagree - that isn't arrogant, that is an invitation to reflect. Arrogance is your assuption that your conclusion=absolute truth therefore, since I disagree, I am "2-3 years behind" you, as if you are somewhere ahead of me because you are wiser/smarter/whatev. In short, you come across as an self-centered, condescending child who is unaware of how petty they sound.

>> No.3315797

>>3315769
>>just because you demonstrated that you can be a successful astrophysicist and a Catholic priest at the same time doesn't mean that I will admit that religious people can be good scientists

FTFY

>> No.3315801

>>3315760
>How else will they know how to withstand the effects of peer pressure and other similar problems?

THeyll learn anthropology and neuropsychology then realize all this shit we call "human society" is a masquerade, a bad joke that is lasting way too much. Then they will most likely hang themselves, not out of despair but because they will realize that this is the closest thing from "free will" they will never approach.
Thus ending my familiy's genes.

FUCK YEAH EAT THAT UNIVERSE!

>> No.3315805

>>3315784
we piece together our own from Saxon and Singapore math, the great Books curricula, Seton Academy, and our own research into textbooks.

>>3315791
What are you going to do when she is 4 and wants to wear faerie wings and have tea parties with a lot of dolls? Beat her?

>> No.3315806

>>3315793
Eh... no.. you're not reading all of what I'm saying or you're choosing to block some of it out.

I have considered it fully. I still go to church and I am still fully embedded in a christian community.

You're still being rather narrow minded in your assumption that if you're correct in one thing then you're correct in another.

I never said I was ahead at all. Simply acknowledging that our lives are on slightly different paths. You seem paranoid and needlessly defensive.

>> No.3315808

>>3315793
Well, obviously there is some correlation between being homeschooled and being socially inept if all the homeschooled kids I know are autismal fucks. But hey,I only know from experience.

>> No.3315811

>>3315797

How are your obscure priests in anyway an example of good scientists. At best I would say they are passable students. And they will NEVER be able to be great scientists because they lack that fundamentally curiosity and true grasp of reality.

>> No.3315812

/m/'s children will all be newtypes.

>> No.3315816

>>3315805
She won't . Because I will never raise her with the usual, archaic genre stereotypes.
By not being willing to hang out with the other (retarded) girls, she will most likely turn into a full lesbian. I don't care, at least she will be free of being what she wants to be, not what "we" expect her to be.

>> No.3315817

What do you do for a living, married old fag?

I'm guessing you or your partner can afford to stay at home. Homeschooling all great, it's just a shame working class people can't do it.

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>>3315806
Direct quote of me;
>>Second, if my other parenting decisions seem sound, maybe you should think about considering that you might be incorrect in that area.

I am assuming nothing, I am asking you to consider my position anew.

Direct quote of you:
>>you seem to be stuck at where I was 3-4 years ago.

No, please tell me where I told you I had to be right and where you didn't say that you were 'ahead' of me. No, never mind, I don't care.

>> No.3315828

I plan to raise my kid in the healthiest way possible and give him/her access to the finest education and stress the importance of education to them but I won't try to force them into a scientific career if they don't have an interest themselves in science, I would however try to steer them into a successful career though.

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>>3315811
>>mfw one of the 'obscure' priests i mentioned is Fr. Lemaitre called "the Father of the Big Bang Theory"
keep going - this is getting really, really funny

>> No.3315833

>>3315822
tbf i can't even say that they're sound or not. I don't know you or your kids. There are plenty of kids who grow to be successful without any influence of religious experience (positive or negative)

And I said "to my mind, you seem..". I wasn't in any way tell you I was better or smarter than you (like you're doing to me). It was just a way of telling you that I have seen the best parts of a religious upbringing.

>> No.3315834

>>3315822
>No, never mind, I don't care.

Now who's being the petty child

>> No.3315836

>>3315817
LOL! When we started I was making less than the national average as a security guard. I moved up when I became a printer maintenance guy (you know, the guy that comes into the office to replace toner and clear tough jams?). It isn't that tough or expensive to have a saty-at-home wife and, based upon my neighbors, I spend *less8 on home schooling than they do on all those public school fundraisers

>> No.3315837

>>3315830

Having some random nickname doesn't make you not obscure. I am the "Grandon of Quantum Electro Dynamics!" Doesn't make me more well known. Troll harder oldfag.

>> No.3315841

>>3315811
Don't be so sure.
For a long time, science and religion were mixed because science wasn't able to answer that many things at the time. It wasn't adressing "spirituality" (better known as existentialism), only religion could do that, at the time. There are exceptions. Of course. And you have to understand that the only academies that existed back then, where you could learn and practice science were in religious establishments. For some people, theism was more close to gnosis, to science. In their mind, they were studiying how God did all the shit he did ..

But, for example, the man who discovered how to create the first vacuum in human history was a jesuite: evangelista torricelli .

But yeah, nowadays, we're so deep into matter, space etc that there is almost no place left for religious beliefs if you want to discover how stuff works...really? Nope. We still know nothing of the inner mechanisms of "vacuum" ("nothingness"), so there is plenty o'room to fit a God delusion in there.

I'm no theist.

>> No.3315842

>>3315836
yeah I knew that was bullshit when I said it. I just wanted to know what you worked as. Obviously if you look back at history, you'll see the vast majority of wives were stay at home mums while their husband went off to the factory.

>> No.3315843

>>3315836

>Anecdotes!=data
>based upon my neighbors

I sure do love me some consistency

>> No.3315847

e = ?!^2

>> No.3315849

>>3315837
Keep moving those goalposts! So far it has gone from
>>hey will NEVER be able to be great scientists because they lack that fundamentally curiosity and true grasp of reality

to
>>Well, *I* haven't heard of them

>> No.3315851

>>3315842
Some studies (I'd need to look them up( show that guys witha stay-at-home wife out-earn guys with working wives because they don't have to deal with kids, doctors, etc and the wife gives them so much support....

>> No.3315854

>>3315836
Religion is a misleading and ultimately dangerous philosophy. It borrowed morale and ethics from the greeks, overexagerating them, promising suffering and fire for the man that has a free mind and promised bliss to the obediant cattle. It made us fear our own sexuality, feel disgust towards human body and natural things. It made us fucking walking nevrosis, hypocrites, unhappy beings.
Christianisml is the worse of all, and Nietzsche was saying it 1 century ago already .
READ THIS ; "“I call Christianity the one great curse, the one great intrinsic depravity, the one great instinct for revenge for which no expedient is sufficiently poisonous, secret, subterranean, petty - I call it the one mortal blemish of mankind”"

Yes, christianity is a monstruosity encouraging suffering, sacrifice of your whole life to a mercyless , egomaniac, sadistic, anti-natural god.

So..? No wonder some of us would prefer to see you dead than ruling their lives.

Just, leave our minds the fuck alone. Stop trying to embrigate us into your shitty mind-killing dogmas.

>> No.3315855

>>3315843
I never claim to be the polestar; I am just some guy in the int
ernet, after all.

>> No.3315859

homeschooling is a big no no....need to get my kid in sports, preferably something like track where there is teamwork but a lot of individual cut throat competition where you do everything in your power to achieve a goal fully knowing you will be competing against people who are working just as hard as you. call me mean but thats the real world, fuck this teamwork everyone is equal shit, its a lie.

>> No.3315864

The Christ made the existence of the nti-christ possible. This enough should tell you how shitty this religion is, even more so if it was real.

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>>3315841
<=This guy made quantum mechanics possible.

>> No.3315876

>>3315854
This is AWESOME!
I mention that my kids get socialized at church and BAM! about an hour and twenty minutes later there is this! A ranting post full of terrible spelling, made-up words, and lousy grammar accusing me of trying to "embrigate" you all into some dogma.

/sci/ certainly is home to some very logical people; but not everyone on 'sci' is logical!

>> No.3315881

>>3315859
Actully, your solution works great. roof: we're here.
Or does it?
Teamwork made everything the human being achieved.

In fact, individualism was always what kept us to evolve faster.

tl;dr: you are a caveman.

>> No.3315883

>>3315864
Oh, FFS. 'Anti-Christ" just means "someone who doesn't believe Christ is God". This "magical supervillain with laser-beam eyes" shit is a modern Hollywood/Protestant thing

>> No.3315888

>>3315876
I wasn't directly attacking you. I was explaining christianism to you. In that light, you should take your kids back and not let them into the hands of these sociopaths.

>> No.3315894

> 2011 having kids
we are facing world population problems, be green and use a condom
or if you really want kids, adopt one of those Asian girl babies that they abandon in a field, or a starving African child.
Really /sci/, think about the other people.
i'll only adopt if a get really rich, my kid is going to be that problem child that no one wants to be around
she is going to be so spoiled. Anything and everything she wants.

>> No.3315896

>>3315883
Wrong. It's as old as judaism. It came from anti-messiah and it designed a person that was inherently evil trying to derail the good cattle from the path of god and virtue (lol)

>> No.3315905

>>3315883
You got it backward:
>The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, is a leader who fulfills Biblical prophecies concerning an adversary of Christ, while resembling him in a deceptive manner. The antichrist will seemingly provide for the needs of the people but deny them ultimate salvation.

>The term "antichrist" appears five times in 1 John and 2 John of the New Testament — once in plural form and four times in the singular.[1] The Apostle Paul's Second Epistle to the Thessalonians, in particular the 2nd chapter, summarizes the nature, work, coming, and revelation of the "Man of Sin" - a passage often regarded as referring to same person as the antichrist of 1 and 2 John.

>> No.3315909

>>3315841
>And you have to understand that the only academies that existed back then, where you could learn and practice science were in religious establishments. For some people, theism was more close to gnosis, to science.
There's a reason for that. Back then the entire world was poorer than the poorest 3rd world countries today, only societies which utilized religious indoctrination to maintain political stability could support institutions such as these and naturally they were inhabited by people who were thoroughly indoctrinated so the tyrant who is paying for them does not feel that they are a threat in any way.

>> No.3315941 [DELETED] 

>>3315741
That's like in Europe where a lot of people don't really believe in God, but still go to church for cultural reasons/tradition.

>> No.3315965 [DELETED] 

>>3315909
>only societies which utilized religious indoctrination to maintain political stability could support institutions

And that was a necessity at that time because religion was the only thing that could hold a society together before national identity or universal education.

Constantine adopted Christianity as the state religion of the Roman Empire precisely because he needed something to unify a huge, polyglot nation that had no loyalty to Rome and saw it as nothing more than the place their taxes went to.

>> No.3316036

>2011
>Still having kids
>Trying to be both a parent and a teacher
Enjoy your fucked up family.

>> No.3316128

>>3315894
Go google 'second demographic transition" and "demographic winter" and get back to me

>> No.3316138

>>3315896
>>3315905
As someone with a degree in theology I can tell you definitively that the Catholic conceptualization of 'anti-Christ' is simply "one who denies that Jesus is divine". Hell, there is even a Cracked article about it!

>> No.3316151

>>3316138
>degree in theo-
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>> No.3316166

>Kids

What are you fucking stupid

I masturbate so fucking much my balls with drop off and I'll go sterile before I lose my virginity

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>>3316138

>degree in theology
>cracked article

>> No.3316275

>mfw the church debate is based on people go/have gone to church.

Sure is intelligent conversation in here

>> No.3316298

>>3316138

That's cool. The Protestant definition of the anti-Christ is basically "The Pope".

Good old doctrine of two churches.

>> No.3316321

/jp/ and /d/ will rape their children and by "their" I mean the ones they kidnap in some parks.