Let's assume you could program the entire human race to pursue one goal. Every human that lives and will every be born will have an insane and fanatical devotion to their entire lives in cooperating to acheive said goal. What would /sci set us out to do?

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Anonymous Tue Jun 28 00:43:35 2011 No.3297357 [Reply] [Original]

Let's assume you could program the entire human race to pursue one goal.
Every human that lives and will every be born will have an insane and fanatical devotion to their entire lives in cooperating to acheive said goal.

What would /sci set us out to do?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 00:47:35 2011 No.3297379 We might be insignificant, but what exactly would we have to show for ourselves other than progress if we were all shooting for the same thing?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 00:48:35 2011 No.3297384 >>3297379 not op here. i think we are all shooting for the same thing subconsciously. what it is i don't know. reproduction and expansion? maybe. . .

Anonymous Tue Jun 28 00:51:35 2011 No.3297406

>>3297384
>>reproduction and expansion
good idea

With the end to wars and division ,and the focus on lengthening the lives of all humans in order to facilitate better reproduction, the entire earth could focus on developing space colonization technology. to further reproduce and expand.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 00:52:35 2011 No.3297413 I made a motto for my imaginary supercivilization: "To continually advance the well-being of the human mind." That would be my goal.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 00:53:35 2011 No.3297421 Continued self-preservation

>>	Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. Tue Jun 28 00:53:35 2011 No.3297416 File: 106 KB, 600x338, 1292696365064.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] To defeat death and scarcity.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 00:54:35 2011 No.3297423 >>3297416 >>defeat death and scarcity kill off all life to ensure no more death and scarcity?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 00:54:35 2011 No.3297424 be excellent to each other

>>	Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. Tue Jun 28 00:55:35 2011 No.3297430 File: 16 KB, 417x330, 1262624362221.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3297423

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 00:56:35 2011 No.3297434 >>3297430 He's right though. That's why I so carefully worded mine: >>3297413

>>	Economy !!IwIOUirYStw Tue Jun 28 00:57:35 2011 No.3297438 File: 154 KB, 500x350, ambiguously-gay-duo-snl-live-action.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3297416 Transhumanist detected

>>	Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. Tue Jun 28 00:58:35 2011 No.3297444 File: 4 KB, 144x171, 1273912978726.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3297434 Why would you kill everything if you're fanatically devoted to keeping everything alive?

>>	Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Tue Jun 28 00:59:35 2011 No.3297454 An insatiable desire to push our way into any frontier that is prohibitive to human life, and to make life not only possible there but comfortable and convenient.

>>	Scientist !!ThFjnJh4EkH Tue Jun 28 00:59:35 2011 No.3297451 >>3297444 Because that's the only possible way to end death and scarcity of resources, and thus he was mocking your stupidity and delusion.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 00:59:35 2011 No.3297448 >>3297444 You never explicitly said keep everything alive. You just said "defeat death".

Anonymous Tue Jun 28 01:00:35 2011 No.3297458

>>3297434
a single human individual may be inssuficient to an perpetually growing mind, a single human brain has it's limits. if technology allows it either the extraction of each brain and placement into a better enviornment for growth, or the creation of a single collective mind must take place.

Thus the human body may be turned obsolete.

>>	Scientist !!ThFjnJh4EkH Tue Jun 28 01:00:35 2011 No.3297461 >>3297357 I would do nothing, because that sounds very evil. If i could instill a less strong thing to be good, and use scientific reasoning, then I might do that.

>>	Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. Tue Jun 28 01:01:35 2011 No.3297463 File: 4 KB, 180x149, 1289030387707.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3297448 >>3297451 For me at least, death = antonym of life C'mon, mock me because I don't like death or ending scarcity.

>>	Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. Tue Jun 28 01:02:35 2011 No.3297472 File: 2 KB, 227x261, 1299234850527.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3297463 >I don't like ... ending scarcity Derp *I don't like death or scarcity

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 01:02:35 2011 No.3297474 File: 28 KB, 284x322, 1303555795404.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3297458 Precisely my point. Did you see me write "individual" or "brain"?

Scientist !!ThFjnJh4EkH Tue Jun 28 01:03:35 2011 No.3297478

>>3297463
If you said the betterment of mankind, fighting against human sickness, trying to work out ways to get more resources or better use the ones we have, etc., then we would not have mocked you.

However, you hit a trigger word, "scarcity [of resources]", which to us means shit like The Venus Project and other bullshit which ought to be mocked.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 01:04:35 2011 No.3297481 >>3297474 so brain in a jar sounds good to you? no focus on aestetic's at all? just drop half of what took billions of years in the making?

Anonymous Tue Jun 28 01:06:35 2011 No.3297492
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>>3297481

If that's what the person wants. I now refer you to the 'well-being' portion of my statement. If being in a jar is not what that person wants then it would go against their well-being.

Checkmate, atheist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 01:07:35 2011 No.3297494 >>3297481 mind > body I would say yes, unless the desire to keep the old form wouldn't hinder the growth of the mind. But if the human body were a hindrance to further knowledge of the universe then get rid of it!

Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. Tue Jun 28 01:09:35 2011 No.3297506
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>However, you hit a trigger word, "scarcity [of resources]", which to us means shit like The Venus Project and other bullshit which ought to be mocked.

Your problem if 'scarcity' wordfilters in your head to 'Venus Project.'

>>	Scientist !!ThFjnJh4EkH Tue Jun 28 01:10:35 2011 No.3297520 >>3297506 If you think that we will ever be in a world where the resources are not scarce, then you deserve to be mocked.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 01:10:35 2011 No.3297517 >>3297492 are you implying by "well-being" you mean the individual happiness and welfare of each person. so we all become hedonists? (hedonism does not only include physical pleasure but also mental, spiritual, and emotional)

>>	Scientist !!ThFjnJh4EkH Tue Jun 28 01:11:35 2011 No.3297525 >>3297517 Wait, you're not already a hedonist?

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>>3297517

You say 'hedonism' as if it were something inherently bad.
I'm saying pleasure is inherently good literally by definition. And if, by chance, it leads into a negative realm than that specific instance would go against their well-being.

I thought about that phrase a long time, and I am admittedly smug. Trust me, it's very well thought out.

>>	Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. Tue Jun 28 01:14:35 2011 No.3297541 File: 6 KB, 157x153, 1261990072154.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3297520 What good are you as a scientist then?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 01:17:35 2011 No.3297555 >>3297525 >>3297525 never said hedonism was a bad thing. but in the long run what would we have accomplished? depleted resources and possible extinction without leaving a permanent trace. then again what other end to the human race is there?

Scientist !!ThFjnJh4EkH Tue Jun 28 01:18:35 2011 No.3297564

>>3297555
Hedonism does not imply expending all of our resources without concern. That is naive hedonism, hedonism with a stupidly short time horizon. You can be a hedonist and still plan for tomorrow's pleasure.

You can also be a moral hedonist - doing what's right because it feels good.

Anonymous Tue Jun 28 01:19:35 2011 No.3297572

>>3297555
>>permanent

Only energy, matter, and the laws that govern them are permant. The option to keep matter in a certain order indefinitly never existed, any fingerprint no matter how large will be washed away in the ocean of time. We should enjoy what little time we have to the fullest potential.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 01:20:35 2011 No.3297574 make me as happy as possible

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 01:20:35 2011 No.3297579 File: 136 KB, 268x314, 1307528978472.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3297555 In the long run what would ANYBODY have accomplished, with any theory, mantra, belief, or otherwise? Not about the destination man...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 01:21:35 2011 No.3297584 File: 14 KB, 436x330, ambig_gay_penis_mobile.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3297525 Don't worry, the transhumanists will save us.

>>	Scientist !!ThFjnJh4EkH Tue Jun 28 01:21:35 2011 No.3297580 >>3297572 Oh heat death of the universe. ~brofist~

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 01:22:35 2011 No.3297588 >>3297564 again i never said failing to plan out for the future. but all resources have their limits, and what will can we have accomplished by the time every last bit of potential and the human race is finished?

Rudjhtyeoslda´qeop Tue Jun 28 01:22:35 2011 No.3297590

"Go please Rudjhtyeoslda´qeop"

And so I was god.

What OP is trying to do makes no sense to me. Everyone is already pursuing one concise list of goals. "I want to fuck" "I want to eat" "I want to drink" "I want to shit" "I want to piss" "I want more" and "I don't want to die". Did I forget anything?

Anyway, I would use this power for personal purposes and have everyone to devote their lives to me.

>>	Scientist !!ThFjnJh4EkH Tue Jun 28 01:23:35 2011 No.3297597 >>3297588 Who cares? >>3297584 What the fuck does that word even mean?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 01:24:35 2011 No.3297605 >>3297541 >>3297520 We have to plan for both possibilities. There might be a way of creating true infinity; we might only be able to make SOME resources abundant. We have to admit when we don't know something and plan for everything.

>>	Scientist !!ThFjnJh4EkH Tue Jun 28 01:25:35 2011 No.3297617 >>3297605 Do you plan for the possibility of a ninja assassin being behind you right now? Do you think grabbing the object to your left to swing at his head? And yes, I'm mocking you too.

Anonymous Tue Jun 28 01:26:35 2011 No.3297622
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>>3297588

>resources have their limits

Who said? Theoretically, the energy content of the universe is static.

Given a sufficiently advanced civilization, I don't see why we should be worried about resources in the sense of COMPLETE exhaustion.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 01:26:35 2011 No.3297626 >>3297572 If there is a "Big Crunch" and a new Big Bang would the laws of matter we have discovered survive it or would entirely new laws of physics take place.

>>	Scientist !!ThFjnJh4EkH Tue Jun 28 01:27:35 2011 No.3297627 >>3297622 It's called the laws of thermodynamics and the Hubble expansion of the universe. Related: heat death. Look them up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 01:29:35 2011 No.3297652 >>3297627 >implying heat death is relevant in human reference frames Seriously, I'm all for optimism but we'll be long gone before this is an issue.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 01:30:35 2011 No.3297655 File: 42 KB, 356x437, 1308689178012.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3297627 Nigga, I know the universe is going to die. I was talking about it's energy content while it is not dead.

Scientist !!ThFjnJh4EkH Tue Jun 28 01:30:35 2011 No.3297664

>>3297652
Just meant as an example of how lack of scarcity is retarded. If you mean a practical lack of scarcity, then maybe - until you remember people like having more than their neighbor if for no other reason, and thus it's still scarce.

Scientist !!ThFjnJh4EkH Tue Jun 28 01:32:35 2011 No.3297679

>>3297655
There is a finite amount of matter in our light cone. There are the laws of thermodynamics and the Hubble expansion of the universe. Thus the available energy to do useful work is finite, and decreasing with time.

Thus, when you said
>Who said? Theoretically, the energy content of the universe is static.
you were being a retard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 01:34:35 2011 No.3297696 File: 37 KB, 250x325, 1307529213246.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3297679 I guess we're on two different wavelengths because you're talking about ridiculously long time scales.

Anonymous Tue Jun 28 01:38:35 2011 No.3297720

>>3297664
>until you remember people like having more than their neighbor
You just said that people can be moral hedonists. If people were pressured by society to feel ashamed when they are extravagantly wasteful for the sake of vanity, then they wouldn't do it.

A practical end to scarcity of water, food, and power are very realistic.

Scientist !!ThFjnJh4EkH Tue Jun 28 01:39:35 2011 No.3297724

>>3297696
First, you're an asshat troll for posting with the troll images. Second, you're wrong when you said end of scarcity in both the literal and practical senses of the phrase. People will always be greedy and want more than their neighbor. There will be no end of scarcity.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 01:41:35 2011 No.3297732 File: 86 KB, 600x600, 1298603264116.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3297724 Woah, woah, woah. I NEVER said "end of scarcity" anywhere...

>>	Scientist !!ThFjnJh4EkH Tue Jun 28 01:41:35 2011 No.3297735 >>3297720 I said it's possible for people to be moral hedonists. I never said that people will be.

Scientist !!ThFjnJh4EkH Tue Jun 28 01:43:35 2011 No.3297748

>>3297732

Earlier, you said:

>Who said? Theoretically, the energy content of the universe is static.
>Given a sufficiently advanced civilization, I don't see why we should be worried about resources in the sense of COMPLETE exhaustion.

In a literal sense of the term, we can reach an exhaustion of energy available to do useful work. Depending on what we do, we will reach that sooner or later, but we will reach it at the heat death of the universe.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 01:44:35 2011 No.3297752 >>3297735 I think that the reason they're like that is because of cultural trends that can be changed with deliberate, gentle influence.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 01:44:35 2011 No.3297756 File: 6 KB, 234x283, 1309055818584.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3297748 You really think humans will be around during maximum entropy?

>>	Scientist !!ThFjnJh4EkH Tue Jun 28 01:46:35 2011 No.3297765 >>3297756 I do not think humans will be around at the heat death of the universe, but resources are finite. You attempted to insinuate otherwise. You are wrong.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 01:48:35 2011 No.3297774 File: 54 KB, 300x300, 1309232119544.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3297765 While entropy hasn't reached maximum there's no possible way to completely exhaust every resource... Seems like maybe you are just a bit contrarian.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 01:59:35 2011 No.3297817 I'd set the humans to never have fanatical devotion to anything

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 02:01:35 2011 No.3297825 >>3297817 well played

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 02:01:35 2011 No.3297829 >>3297817 Bye bye: -Tesla -Einstein -Beethoven -Howard Hughes -Richard Feynman -Carl Sagan -Etc. Your idea doesn't seem very good...

Anonymous Tue Jun 28 02:05:35 2011 No.3297844
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>Unified Humanity
>No internal conflict
>Shift focus to scientific, medical and cultural progression
>Economy is discarded
>Produce is given, not sold
>Even rations for everyone
>Vaccinate and cleanse disease to ensure lengthier life expectancy
>Space Expansion
>Terra-formation and Occupation
>Armies of a thousand worlds
>Encounter aliens
>They pose no threat
>Conquer and destroy countless worlds and races from the far reaches of the Milky Way
>All falter beneath the human will
>Technology salvaged are reforged to serve "The Cause"
>Integrate technology to self to live forever
>Rule the galaxy as a god
>Continue expansion...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 02:06:35 2011 No.3297846 >>3297829 >implying they were FANATICALLY devoted to their work fail more like bye bye Richard Dawkins ranting about theists

>>	Scientist !!ThFjnJh4EkH Tue Jun 28 02:07:35 2011 No.3297852 >>3297846 Richard is not fanatic. /sigh Stop being an asshat. If you want to rip on one of the four horsemen, at least do Hitchens.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 02:08:25 2011 No.3297854 File: 160 KB, 320x272, 1290827736708.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3297846 >implying they weren't

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 02:09:35 2011 No.3297858 I would have the goal be pursuing happiness

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 02:11:35 2011 No.3297863 >>3297858 but that's already their goal

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 02:12:35 2011 No.3297869 i would assign the women to sexually satisfy me for the rest of my life

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 03:05:35 2011 No.3298026 >>3297444 >mfw my reaction image is being used >mfw I have no face

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 03:11:35 2011 No.3298039 >What would /sci set us out to do? Follow my orders without question

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 03:17:35 2011 No.3298055 >>3298039 Pretty much this. I am against a totalitarian dictatorship, unless I'm the one in charge. I always thought this was a commonly held opinion.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 03:19:35 2011 No.3298064 >>3298055 It is for angst-ridden teen faggots.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 12:44:35 2011 No.3299840 I would program the entire human race to pursue the goal to program me to program the entire human race.

Anonymous Tue Jun 28 12:59:35 2011 No.3299895

Just thought I should inform you all of something.

Human civilization is the collective of individuals. As such the goals of society should be best described as the improvement of humanity at its individual level. Any request that is made will undermine individuality, and therefore they will never be as happy ast hey could otherwise have been.

You could say that the goal is to "Blossom individual happiness and freedom with altruism". However, because people are "insane and fanatically devoted", they will never, ever achieve the goal of overall improvement, as a perfect human mind should never be described as being insane.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 13:01:35 2011 No.3299902 >>3297424 what tv show is this from?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 13:03:35 2011 No.3299910 Understand reality.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 13:14:35 2011 No.3299972 To make me happy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 13:27:35 2011 No.3300039 >>3297416 scarcity is a myth

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 13:31:35 2011 No.3300055 >>3297416 Wouldn't that entail defeating death in ALL living creatures?

Anonymous Tue Jun 28 13:32:35 2011 No.3300059

I wouldn't do anything, it would probably backfire horribly.

For instance if I instructed everyone to "do the most good for sapient life" they might decide that mass sterilization is the best option so no sapient being has to be brought to life only to suffer death.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 13:32:35 2011 No.3300056 To create an all-encompassing, ever-expanding civilization with an immortal populace.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 13:34:35 2011 No.3300063 >>3297844 So Space Nazi-Germany/Stalin/Pol Pot? Well this IS /sci/.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 13:36:35 2011 No.3300076 Can anyone name three things that are scarce that we actually need. Hint(Oil could be and should have been obsolete more than a decade ago, but we kept building our infrastructure to run on oil)

Anonymous Tue Jun 28 13:38:35 2011 No.3300083
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- Stop wars (not demilitarization)
- space program + robotics + all branches of science devoted to one goal: PLANET CRACKING
mining asteroids and moons, dirst in Sol system then maybe even in my lifetime (since every good brain on earth is working on it) we develop good way to space travel and yahooo colonisation!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 13:39:35 2011 No.3300086 >>3297679 You say that as if we could "use up all the matter"

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 13:39:35 2011 No.3300087 programme the entire human race to dedicate all resources and expertise to solve the worlds greatest question what came first... chicken or the egg?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 13:40:35 2011 No.3300090 >explore the stars

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 13:42:35 2011 No.3300104 >>3300076 Well, we're not recycling any of our Helium and need that for medical technology and airplane testing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 13:44:35 2011 No.3300112 technically we will never run out of resources since energy cannot be destroyed, just recycled into less useful kinds of energy... but once we discover how to turn matter into energy, we can do the opposite, ending any shortage of ''things''

Anonymous Tue Jun 28 13:56:35 2011 No.3300173

>>3300076

I'm sorry but you're going have to do better than that, we may not have much available for practical use, but its the second most abundant element in the universe, so we can agree we're not going to run out of it. The apparent scarcity of helium has nothing to do with actual supply and more to do with conventional methods of extraction and the economic tipping point of crisis we tend to wait on before we begin to innovate. We could preempt this, but we don't because it profitable. In fact helium is used pretty freely, congress thinks a little two freely and would like to see the price go up on the 2nd most abundant element in the universe

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 28 14:07:35 2011 No.3300220 We burn crops to keep prices high, in fact its better than that, we also subsidize farmers. We pay them money to not grow food. Trololololololol. I love Earth

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