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Dear /sci/,
I want to work on the ageing process, how to stop it and maybe reverse it.
But I have one question. Should I go for medicine studies or biology studies in order to achieve my goal ?

>> No.3268687

>>3268679
You can't.
No. The faster you acknowledge you are going to die, the faster you can begin to enjoy life instead of wasting it trying to get it to be longer.

>> No.3268690

>>3268687
This.

>> No.3268692

Biology studies. its broad enough so that you can eventually specialise later, and do a Ph.D in some age related genetics.

>> No.3268694

>>3268679

I'm looking into biomechatronics, so maybe one day we can have robot bodies to sustain our organic brain and spine until we can make new organic bodies.

>> No.3268696

>>3268687
With this mindset, medicine would never have developed.

>> No.3268697

>>3268687
>>3268690
no. this area IS fascinating and some progress has already been made. it is worth looking into. this doesnt mean he fears death and it doesnt mean he cant enjoy lif.

>> No.3268717

>>3268687
Bumping, And as far as I understand with anti-aging, it's a trade off just like everything else in evolution, prevention of aging (not diseases) would have negative effects theres a video about it in the sticky

lrn2telomere OP

>> No.3268741

You may want to consider robotics actually and or neuroscience

>> No.3268746

>>3268687
I don't want to be rude but i don't care about your personnal opnion on the subject. To me this is the greatest problem to work on. I don't want to start a debate, i just want to know the answer to my question, please.

>>3268692
Are you sure it's not possible with medicine studies ? It's quite broad too.

>> No.3268774

>Ph.D. in Gerontology
>any lifespan you want
>300 years starting

Gerontology is the field you're looking for.

>you're welcome

>> No.3268778

medical science sounds like what your looking for, its contains biology. In either case were talking Ph.D. or M.D./ Ph.D. and you'll likely only study either yeast which don't really age like us or C. elegans. But if you every want to do anything related to humans a medical school is the best way to go. Work at medical school have friends who study aging.

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3268779

>>3268746
>I don't want to be rude but i don't care about your personnal opnion on the subject.

>> No.3268789

Seems like most of us here agree on biology, especially cellular biology.

If an atom can live forever, a human should be able to live for ever, since we consist out of atoms. Your goal is physically possible OP.

>> No.3268797

Aging is kinda scattered might find it in some biology or in developmental biology or physiology. Just look at who you would like to work with at what school and their publications to decide.

>> No.3268814

>>3268789
>If an atom can live forever

>half-life

>> No.3268821

>>3268789
If we were only composed of free atoms i think we would live forever molecules on the other hand.

>> No.3268827

>>3268789
>thinking atoms live forever

3/10 because you'll fool some retards

>> No.3268862

Well, i still don't know what to think. Btw i'm already at a medicine university (i'm living in France) and will begin my first year in september if i do not change my mind.

Educations councillors are shit so i don't know who i should ask to have a perfectly clear answer, i must turn to 4chan, that is quite ridiculous...

>> No.3268882

>>3268862
Do you have a B.S. / M.S.?

If no to both don't worry for now just study some biology and talk to a professor who studies it about doing something in his/her lab, likely cleaning and making reagents, but you'll work your way up.

>> No.3268934

>>3268882
No, i finished highschool last year, enroled at a medicine university but couldn't study for some reasons, and i will begin my "real first year" in september.

I think i should talk to some professors and ask for advice, but right now it's summer.

>> No.3269013

Bump.
I'm searching for gerontology studies but it seems quite inexistent in France. I feel trapped.

>> No.3269041

>>3268934
Honestly any sort of lab that does animal studies or really any biology will help you won't likely do too much of what you want as an undergrad. That type of research is at the graduate level just get yourself a good resume. Good marks, lots of experience in a lab, good letter of recommendation. You'll probably change your mind at some point in your undergraduate career, but these things will help you in whatever you wish to peruse. Professors might not want to take on Freshmen, but a Sophomore is usually ideal, this is assuming its 4-5 years before graduation.

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3269065

http://www.hplusmagazine.com/articles/forever-young/manhattan-beach-project-end-aging-2029

http://www.sens.org/sens-research/research-themes

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3329065877451441972#

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/101128/full/news.2010.635.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/nov/28/scientists-reverse-ageing-mice-humans

>> No.3269069

>>3268679
SPOILER ALERT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you will not live long enough to see the developent of "aging treatment".

>> No.3269115

>>3268679
Go for molecular biology or biochemistry. The two overlap considerably. If you choose biochemistry, make sure that you take courses in molecular genetics.

You need to understand the underlying process of ageing if you want to alter it. Medical studies will (or at least should) teach you about cellular and subcellular processes in detail, but you will not get the same focus on them that you would from a degree in molecular biology or biochemistry.

Of course, you could do a medical degree and then focus on research. There are plenty of medical doctors who go on to do PhDs, but if you want to focus on pure research then there's no reason to do a full medical degree.

You could also look into the various European MD-PhD programs, which aim to be clones of the American MD-PhD programs. The European system is quite different from the American system though. In the USA, you do 4 years of pre-med studies which covers a lot of chemistry, biochemistry, etc, and then you do a medical degree which is a post-graduate degree. The American MD-PhD programs basically combine a research PhD with a medical degree so you can walk straight down the line that separates the two, and it probably lets you focus your medical studies directly on your research field.

Given that a medical degree in Europe is not a postgrad degree, I don't know how European medical degrees actually work.

>> No.3269125

>>3269065
I knew about all of these except the mahattan beach project. But this doesnt answer my questions.

Biology or medicine ? How can i end up studying gerontology as it seems to be some kind of specialisation. If so i should go for medicine then.

>> No.3269133

>>3269115
>I don't know how European medical degrees actually work.

I meant the European MD-PhD degrees. You would need to check what undegraduate degrees they accept, and what qualifications you will get once you're done.
As for all the nay-saying faggots in this thread... yeah, the chances of "curing ageing" in our lifetimes is minimal, but advances can be made and will be made by people who try, while you sit there in masked bitterness secretly wishing you could have done something more with your lives.

>> No.3269151

>>3269125
You want to do research on aging. Getting a medical degree is not aimed at teaching you how to do research, but how to be a doctor and treat patients, but doing a science degree is aimed at doing research.

I don't know why you're confused over this choice.

>> No.3269245

>>3269151
Because a lot of people who contributed to the ageing research had ph.d in medicine.

But i feel completely lost right now.

>> No.3269333

>>3268679
Hey OP, a few months ago I was in your shoes, I was choosing my study path. I just ended computer science high school and now I signed for Biochemistry school, to do bachelor's degree. I am also interested in this kind of research and it's one of my greatest wishes to contribute in this field and to help others and eventually me. I am confident that I made the right choice. Sorry for my English...

>> No.3269370

>>3269245
>ph.d in medicine.

What do you mean? There is no such thing as a PhD in "medicine", but there are many medical research fields. You don't need to do a medical degree to do medical research.

I suspect that you're confusion stems from ignorance of how medical research works.

When you do an undegrad degree in e.g. biochemistry, you learn about biochemistry in general. Basic chemistry, common biochemical cycles, etc. After you finish the degree, you can go on to do research in many different fields. If you like plants then you can investigate e.g. photosynthetic enhancements. If you like bacteria then you can investigate e.g. the development of antibiotics resistance.

If you're interested in medical research then you do that in any of the numerous fields.


What you should probably do though is contact some research groups doing the kind of research that you would want to do, and ask them about their backgrounds and what they recommend. The best people to tell you how to do something are the ones who are doing it.

>> No.3269376

>>3269370
>you're confusion

Fuck, meant "your"... I had written "that you're confused because..." first.

>> No.3269398

>>3269245
Talented people end up doing medicine because it pays better, but might also do research if they enjoy it. If you're just interested in research, then do a degree that's solely aimed at doing research - science.