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Should society make an effort to contact the un-contacted tribes of the world? Or should they be left alone?

>> No.3265499 [DELETED] 

Are there even any left which are uncontacted?
and sure, why the hell not. Atl east give them the choice, maybe they are like the amish and prefer a shit life, but we should at least give them the opportunity of living like us if they want to .

>> No.3265498

>>3265483
Spoiler: This was staged

>> No.3265503
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3265503

what good would we do them? diseases, alcoholism and poverty?

>> No.3265513

>>3265499
Yes actually. It's rather astonishing that some people have never been contacted by modern society.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncontacted_peoples

>> No.3265514

>>3265503

Modern medicine so they can live past 30?

>> No.3265523
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3265523

>>3265498
It was filmed in New Jersey

>> No.3265530

>>3265483

I think having people who chose to live such a life is an immensely useful source for data.

>> No.3265532

>>3265499
Some are violently hostile towards outsiders.

>> No.3265542

Simple things like the common cold will decimate populations.

>> No.3265545

>>3265530
I can't wait for someone to make close contact with some tribe, only to doom them with new diseases.
But my understanding of immunology is pretty non-existent.

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3265555

>>3265532
orly?
i might just go in with a stungun, a remote control plane and a box of fireworks and have them proclaim me a god!

>> No.3265557

the kid is holding a steel machete, they already have contact with the outside world

>> No.3265566

>>3265545
Only if they have been totally isolated, like on an undiscovered island, these tribes are part of a network of tribes that have been around since forever, they probably caught small pox from another tribe 100s of years ago and had no idea where it came from.

>> No.3265572

>>3265557
The picture is staged. Poorly. But there are un-contacted tribes.

>> No.3265576

>>3265523
I lol'd

>> No.3265578

>>3265555
Or you could just show them your quads.
It's entirely possible also.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult

>> No.3265580

These are the last free people on Earth.

For the love all that is decent we should not ruin and enslave them.

The ruling elite show us pictures of these free, untarnished humans, and we laugh as though they are inferior even though they are probably happier than 99% of the people posting in this thread (myself included).

>> No.3265591

>>3265580
This. If I could live with them I would.

>> No.3265596
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3265596

>>3265580

I swear to god /sci/ is the most angsty board on 4chan.

>> No.3265598

>>3265580

>2011

>let's let savages live on in filth, own shit, and a life expectancy of 30 amidst constant conflict, brutality and abuse of women

Well fuck, no. Not in this day and age. It's time for our species to grow up.

>> No.3265601

>>3265596
You've never been on /r9k/, have you?

>> No.3265605

>>3265601

/r9k/ doesn't exist anymore

>> No.3265606

>>3265566
I've been reading the Wikipedia article posted. I should have done that first. Some of tribes have contact with other local tribes that have regular contact with "our world."
I'm not science-ing very well today.

>> No.3265607
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3265607

>2011
>Still having uncontacted peoples in your country
I seriously hope you guys don't do this...

>> No.3265611

>>3265605
my tears flow for 9000 robots whose only crime was to question the old and beckon in the new.

>> No.3265613

>>3265598
But what about the tribes that resist our presence?

>> No.3265616

>>3265611

Leave

Now

>> No.3265618 [DELETED] 

>>3265578
ah yes, ive read about them. one particular quote makes me lol.
-"John promised you much cargo more than 60 years ago, and none has come," I point out. "So why do you keep faith with him? Why do you still believe in him?"

Chief Isaac shoots me an amused look. "You Christians have been waiting 2,000 years for Jesus to return to earth," he says, "and you haven't given up hope." "

>> No.3265622

>>3265616
Sorry.

>> No.3265643

>>3265598
We have grown. Just not those people.
Self determination should be a right for all humans, so long as it does no harm to others. Leaving them alone will do nothing. We can even study them (somehow. I'm not an anthropologist.) for some pretty awesome insight into ancient tribal societies.
But then again, the act of observing will create new problems. If they know they're being observed, they will behave differently.

>> No.3265648

>>3265618
>>3265618
Did John ever write a book? I'd love to hear what it was like to be considered a god. Imagine the implications of your actions!

>> No.3265650

>>3265643
I don't see how
>not being contacted
is the same as
>having freedom of choice

>> No.3265688

>>3265650

you cant have freedom in some shithole ruled by a dictator

you need democracy and the free market and they know fuck all about that

why not give it to them

>> No.3265696

Why? They are babarians. No need to civilize them if all we're gonna get is savagery in return.

>> No.3265703

>>3265688
That's all well and good until you realise that the free market profits from underdeveloped societies.
Seriously dude, we fight wars over resources. Haven't you ever noticed we established civilized people seem to be bombing the fuck out of shithole places just because they're hinting at embargo?

>> No.3265711

>>3265688
> Implying we have freedom.

You serious bro? I guess you haven't been paying attention to current events.

Embedding youtube videos soon to be a felony, courtesy of "freedom."

>> No.3265708

>>3265650
Larger civilizations take away personal freedoms. Since they live in groups of like 10 they can sort all their shit out without anyone getting screwed over.

>> No.3265721 [DELETED] 

>>3265648
absolute power corrupts absolutely. i imagine he'd just troll the fuck out of them. i would.

>> No.3265722

>>3265703

You're issue is with government coercive action, not the product of free markets.

>> No.3265728

>>3265688
Are those dictatorships doing anything to hurt these people? I've been reading the Wikipedia article on uncontacted peoples, and even in Colombia, they protect these people.

>> No.3265733

>>3265648
in death, a member of project cargo has a name.

>> No.3265740

>>3265722
We don't have a free market, you are ignorant if you think we do. In a free market you could set up a fruit stand in the city without the city government's approval and license, and in a free market "corporations" do not exist.

These primitive people have free markets. Fiat currency is antithetical to free market as well. We live in a plutocracy, a corporatist statehood which calls itself a free market, and when it demands "deregulation" it's really talking about the ability for the bigger corporations to lobby and manipulate the state into sustaining monopolies and oligopolies.

We do not live in anything close to a free market, these savages do, and they probably feel significantly less oppressed than the average man in the civilized world.

The real reason we keep seeing retarded end of the world cataclysm theories (2012!!) is because people WANT something to happen to blow the fuck out of the whole system. People are "predicting" this shit because they want it to happen.

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>>3265740

I completely agree. i never said we did. Its a political struggle between corporate and small interests at the moment. Which is why government should always remain limited.

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3265761

What about the Sentinelese?
http://youtu.be/OaPYwlXOTzQ
Besides the obvious...

>> No.3265762

>>3265740
>These primitive people have free markets.
Source? I would guess they had a more communist system.

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>>3265740

>These primitive people have free markets

>> No.3265786

>>3265761
I would have laughed if when the woman got hit, they went into a rage and killed the boats crew,

>> No.3265885

>>3265728

Are you fucking crazy

those tribal chiefs are like 50 and have several 16 year old wives

thats borderline slavery

>> No.3265896

>>3265762
lol and why the fuck would you think that?

>> No.3265917

>>3265885
That's borderline awesome, imo

>> No.3265921

>>3265740

>and in a free market "corporations" do not exist.

wat

>> No.3265975

>>3265896

I wouldn't classify it under typical modern economic systems. It's a primitive bartering at best.

>> No.3265992

Yes, they're not children, they need to know what's happening in the rest of the world, they need to know about agricultural and industrial civilization, science, technology, democracy and history. Of course we should communicate with them as other tribes would communicate with them so as not to disrupt their society and cause them to start sacrificing people to our helicopters or whatever. We should say "there have been big things happening far away among other tribes, not necessarily good or bad, nothing to do with the gods, those flying things you saw earlier, they're just kites or arrows large enough for men to ride on them, chillax".

>> No.3266000

contact them, we've already contacted the Argentinians

we may as well contact these guys too

we could use their language as a study because it might be close to the incas or cahchapayos or some other lost civilization of which their language could help us unlock ect

>> No.3266010

>>3265975
well maybe, I suppose concerning who owns property and why currency makes a big difference, they might see property in the same way as 2 siblings view their toys, some are wholly their own, others they share but are not exactly the same as things neither of them own like a stick on the floor, under capitalism something is either legally owned by someone or it isn't end of story.

>> No.3266014

I don't think we should actively seek them out. But if we do ever come into contact we shouldn't shy away in an effort to preserve their civilisation

>> No.3266018

>>3265921
You do know that corporations are arms of the state, don't you? Only corporate board members are entitled to legal and tax privileges, they might as well be sitting on a pedestal in congress dictating who what and wherewithall.

>> No.3266019

>>3266014
what civilization?

>> No.3266025

A lot of people would say no, leave them be, but these are often the same people who would argue that we need to reach out to extraterrestrial life. What is intersteller civilisations are primitive like these guys?

>> No.3266029

>>3265572
What is the reason for staging this? Protecting the rainforest? or what?

>> No.3266033

>>3266025
Then you leave them be. Haven't you watched star trek at all?

>> No.3266044

>>3265483
there are no un-contacted tribes. Only ones we met and left with disease and empty promises.

>> No.3266052

>>3266019
um, their little civilization right there, with villages and basket weavers and stuff

>> No.3266050

>>3266044
very likely untrue. there is still reason to believe that there are uncontacted tribes in the amazon.

>> No.3266060

why are these guys savages again?

>> No.3266064

>>3266033
Why?

Making first contact doesn't have to be "lol we're gods give us your gold", it could just be "oh we've sailed from further south on the continent and want to trade furs for spices, I know we look weird but we're people too and will respect your culture and customs".

>> No.3266065

Can I some proof that this was staged please?

>> No.3266066

>>3265483
no

>> No.3266079

>>3265740
I think you're confusing communitarian and/or paternalistic systems with 'free market'.

Communitarian =/= Communism or state capitalism.

it's like small scale groups like this live in a communitarian paternalistic settlement.

What you said about corporatism and cataclysm theories is bullshit but you may be right about the opression.

>> No.3266154

No because we don't have any unification in science or religion and trying to teach them how we lived and what it means to be educated (read, decisions) would simply confound them as they grew up under the one religion and belief.

Or in other words, christians would probably convert them as they are not able to comprehend the arguementitive shithole that is modern science.

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3266212

>>3265696
>>babarians

>> No.3266320

>>3266212
Hahahaha. Totally what I was thinking.