Homosexuality

[Anonymous No.3265423]

So ... aside from being Satan's spawns...

What's the most accepted stance on homosexuality? Is it something genetic? Upbringing? An hilarious mix of both?

I tried googling for some info, but unsurprisingly enough, most results provded christian-like answers and such...

I don't really care about homosexuals as a demographic, but I'm amuzed at what the hell can cause such a difference. Specially since I feel like lately on tv and other media I've been bombed with so much biased data that I'm starting to worry I might be becoming a retard myself...

[Anonymous No.3265441]

The most accepted stance would be that we don't know. Aside from that I'm 99% sure it's a complex combination of subjective experiences by the individual and completely psychological.

Note that this would be for the persons sexuality. Personality wise, such as flamboyance, vocalizations etc. it is definitely psychological arising from the person identifying with their demographic.

[Anonymous No.3265482]

>>3265441
So it's safe to assume it's entirely not something "from birth" and it's most likely a way to develop?

Are there, at least, some tips on what would normally cause this? Like, factors in said development affecting sexual prefferences?

[EK !EKFQOBUFnQ No.3265487]

it doesnt just occur in humans, and it is genetic. obviously not simple genetic like a single 'gay gene' because it would obviously never be passed in. it will be a very complicated mix of several genes and will pronbably include epigenetics as well.

[Anonymous No.3265535]

>>3265482
>So it's safe to assume it's entirely not something "from birth" and it's most likely a way to develop?

Being that it's physically impossible to experience sexual attraction before the onset of puberty, being "gay from birth" is a rather silly notion.

[Anonymous No.3265536]

>>3265423

i know one dude since he was kid. he grew up with mom,two aunts and grandmother. poor guy never had a chance. we all knew he will be fag one day and - he is.

so it can be done by upbringing.

[Anonymous No.3265653]

bumpo

[Anonymous No.3265670]

>>3265487
I... Don't know why you mentioned epigenetics

[Anonymous No.3265683]

>>3265535
I think he just meant nature rather than nurture

[Anonymous No.3265686]

Bisexuality is the biological norm. Heterosexuality is nurtured by upbringing.

[Anonymous No.3265691]

>People say "lol it can't be genetic, it'd never get passed on!"

>recessive genes, combinations of genes

Also: maternal hormone levels and immune reaction to children of opposite/same sex.

Homosexuality in no way makes a person unable to work, to produce and contribute to society, and they're fully capable of reproduction (donors/surrogates), or taking care of unwanted children, so there's no reason other than bullshit tribal rules and outdated agrarian morality designed to make sure all sex is reproductive.

[Anonymous No.3265694]

>>3265686
gimme ANYTHING that suggests that

[Anonymous No.3265707]

>>3265691
I don't know what you mean at the
>also:
part, but it sounded interesting
Elaborate?

[Anonymous No.3265712]

>>3265694

Animals turn to bumsex when no females are available. Most non-Abrahmic cultures dug the bumsex.

[Anonymous No.3265713]

>>3265691
http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=the-intelligent-homosexuals-guide-t-2011-06-21

PZ Meyers gave his take on the above article, as well.

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/06/how_could_gay_people_evolve.php

[Anonymous No.3265870]

Yeah, the early brain develops gayly for some people. Once the brain forms, it's set for life. It needn't be genetic but maternal chemical balances, perhaps triggered food, drugs, metabolic cycles, or listening to George Michael.

[Anonymous No.3265876]

a Hilarious mixture!

It's either genetic or early developmental. I knew I was gay before I got to primary school

[Anonymous No.3265947]

>>3265876

>5 or 6 year old
>wants to suck dicks and take it in the ass

[Anonymous No.3265962]

>>3265423
>>3265423
>>3265423
>>3265423
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00cr1ht

required watching for this topic

Just ignore Barrowman

[Anonymous No.3265964]

>>3265947
Many children know their preference early on, not just gays.

[Anonymous No.3265980]

>>3265947
what about being molested at 5 years old?

i'm sure that has an impact on me now, doesn't it?

i think it does.

[Anonymous No.3265982]

>2011
>not accepting homosexuality as entirely genetic trait that is present from birth

[Anonymous No.3265993]

>>3265982

Then how do you explain the difference in gay prevalence between cultures?

[Anonymous No.3266005]

>>3265993

Violent supression

[Anonymous No.3266017]

>2011
>Islamic countries beating the gay outta people
>get straight or lose head

[Anonymous No.3266012]

>>3266005

You can't violently suppress being a redhead, which IS an entirely genetic trait. Engineering aptitude is only partially so.

[Anonymous No.3266028]

>>3266012

You're right but you can violently surpress being gay which isn't readily apparent if you live in a society that does not encourage it

stop spreading this choice bullshit this is supposed to be a science board

[Anonymous No.3266035]

>aside from being Satan's spawns...

stopped reading right there

[Anonymous No.3266075]

Its natures response to overpopulation
homos cant reproduce and thus they decrease the population

[Anonymous No.3266077]

>>3266017
its not in the quran but hey who cares for this garbage book anyway

[Anonymous No.3266087]

>>3266077

Its in Sharia law

[Anonymous No.3266091]

>>3266075

o fucking shit i hope no one actually believes this

[Anonymous No.3266106]

Homexuality is not a choice. No one wants to be gay. Choosing your own sexual orientation is not possible. As a straight male I cannot just decide that guys are hot now. Homosexuality is not wrong because most people are straight. It's not wrong because your filthy religion says it's wrong. The only people that have a problem with gays are other closeted, self-hating homosexuals and rednecks. Since rednecks are near the bottom of the totem pole they need to attack everyone below them on the totem pole to give the appearance that they are not as low on the totem pole as they actually are. It's similar to the tactic ugly girls use at clubs when they surround themselves with even less attractive girls. As long as there are straight people reproducing to continue the existence of humanity homosexuality is not a problem.

[Anonymous No.3266112]

>>3266075
There is some evidence that the same genotype that makes a man gay can in fact increase fertility for women.

It is therefore very possible to imagine that the gay mans lack of children would be compensated by his sisters having more children.

After all, the man can still help his family no matter the sexual preference, not really hard to imagine how a complex trait like this could survive.

[Artichokeme !!H4hXFVg/Zsf No.3266121]

its preference and taste you aren't born with an appetite for pizza I'm pretty sure a lot of different factors play in to how our preferences manifest but you can't really change your preference for something.

remember how some people aren't attracted to any sex/gender?

[Artichokeme !!H4hXFVg/Zsf No.3266125]

>>3266106
>Homexuality is not a choice. No one wants to be gay.
Is heterosexuality a choice? do people want to be straight?

[Anonymous No.3266147]

I fap to lesbian porn but I still choose not to be a lesbian because I'll probably grow up to become straight when I'm ready. Gay/bisexual is a phase, hence why you don't see as many middle aged or old gays as young ones outside of hollywood.

[EK !EKFQOBUFnQ No.3266151]

>>3266147
what the fuck?
also, since when does a female use the word 'fap'

[Artichokeme !!H4hXFVg/Zsf No.3266157]

>>3266147
you've never seen a pride parade have you?
>>3266151
since the recursive 4chanspeak meme culture has spread out onto other parts of social media like facebook and tumblr.

[Anonymous No.3266160]

>>3266147

>speculation
anyone claiming that sexuality is caused by anything but a complex interaction of several different factors is a retard.
/thread

[EK !EKFQOBUFnQ No.3266162]

>>3266157
for fems i heard the term is 'jilling' or 'schlicking'

[Artichokeme !!H4hXFVg/Zsf No.3266170]

>>3266162
yeah but that user is probably like fourteen years old and if they aren't fourteen they are probably new to the internet and if they aren't new to the internet entirely they are new to internet culture and regardless of any of that they are probably really dumb and impressionable and like to use that word to refer to masturbating because it's socially responsible.

[Anonymous No.3266176]

>>3266157
I live in Sydney, where we have the gay and lesbian mardi gras every year. Being a homosexual is really not something I want to be proud of.

[Artichokeme !!H4hXFVg/Zsf No.3266184]

>>3266176
you shouldn't show pride in anything whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.3267165]

So.... what other sexual fetishes are people born with?

[Anonymous No.3267185]

the most accepted fact is that they're fag­gots

[Anonymous No.3267189]

Genetics

Everything in the human body, and every organism for that matter is caused by genetics. Anyone saying otherwise is a retard who hasn't taken basic biology. The brain of a gay person is shaped like a women's, In layman's terms it's as though on the outside ''physically'' they've got male genitals but their brain as well as body chemistry is pumping them full of ''girl stuff'', which is why they prefer men to women.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/jun/16/neuroscience.psychology

I know I know.. "liberal bias'' OMG OMG OMG OMG, no you fucktard this is science. This would be true regardless of the penis war between conservative faggots and liberals..

[Anonymous No.3267194]

>>3265536
>>I found one situation in which upbringing appears to be the cause therefore it must be so in 100% of the cases
correlation does not imply causality.

[Anonymous No.3267198]

>>3267194

He didn't say 100% of cases, or anything near that, idiot.

>>so it can be done by upbringing.

It can be done != Is always done

[Anonymous No.3269886]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHDCAllQgS0 Dawkins throws in some possibilities

[Anonymous No.3269907]

The accepted stance is that we chose to be gay.

I mean...you chose to be straight, right?

[Anonymous No.3269921]

>>3267165

Heterosexuality

[Anonymous No.3269930]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbpu6ne5-cQ

/thread

No seriously, fucking watch this

[Anonymous No.3269957]

Homosexuality is documented in hundreds of animal species. Anyone who says its not natural just does not know jack shit about ethology or believes that animals are not natural.

Considering the current view is that animal behavior is genetically hard wired, that would mean homosexuality is genetic. That is unless the current view is wrong which is possible.

[Anonymous No.3269960]

Are those animals homosexuals or bisexuals?

[Anonymous No.3269962]

>>3267198

>Implying that there is any evidence that that is why he is gay.

That aside though, we all know that people only become gay when they start a thread on 4chan for the first time.

[Anonymous No.3269963]

No one knows.

/thread

[Anonymous No.3269972]

I love how sexuality has arbitrarily been singled out among the vast collection of other neurological curiosities. Whether homosexuality is genetic or not is so much more important than whether being a sociopath is.

[Anonymous No.3269974]

>>3269957
It is also possible that there are homosexual genes that are suppressed normally, but become active given certain conditions.

[Anonymous No.3269977]

>>3265691

And here we go

Not one person said anything about it being, and instead of discussing what makes someone become a homosexual people start throwing out straw men and ad hominems out.

And before someone yells naturalistic fallacy, homosexuality is a psychological disorder by a reproductive definition, but the topic is what causes it, not whether it is "wrong"

[Anonymous No.3269980]

>>3269972
It matters for ethical reasons. We are fine with make certain behaviors illegal, what is not ok is making the existence of certain people illegal.

[Anonymous No.3269984]

>>3269957

>Naturalistic fallacy

Just because animals do it, doesn't mean it's not a disorder.

The raping of beta males as a show of dominance is pretty hilarious if that's actually a reason for it in animals.

[Anonymous No.3269990]

>>3269972
It's okay being a sociopath!

[Anonymous No.3270000]

>>3269960
Bonobos are bisexual. They basically use sex to diffuse conflict situations.

Example:

Two bonobos walk into a restaurant and see a banana sitting at the table. Both bonobos want banana. Bonobos then rub crotches together and afterward decide to share banana. Funnily enough when one bonobo is female, after the sex the male will often give her the food, sound familiar??

[Anonymous No.3270002]

Orientation is likely similar to handedness.

A side-effect of the plasticity of the systems that determine which side, or which sex, we favor. Having some flexibility in these areas is more of an advantage than the odd error is a disadvantage. This is most malleable very early on, forming orientation somewhere in the womb or early childhood, forming fetishes and fixations during childhood and puberty, and forming finer preferences during puberty. I do think people can learn to enjoy any kind of sex, but, like using your off hand, it will never be quite the same.

Besides, historically most homosexuals have reproduced. The link between sex and pregnancy has been long established, and so people know what needs doing if they want an heir.

[Anonymous No.3270004]

>>3270000

Is bonobo slang for "black people?"

[Anonymous No.3270012]

>>3269980
Arbitrary, unnecessary distinction. If someone isn't harming someone else in action, there should be no legal repercussion.

[Anonymous No.3270014]

>>3266184
>>3266176
>2011
>doesnt understand that gay pride is antonym for gay shame and there is no corresponding concept of straight shame,
fucking breeders

[Anonymous No.3270019]

>>3269984

Agreed just because an animal does it does not mean its ok for humans to do so. However it does mean it can not be considered 'unnatural' so long as you are defining nature as that leafy green place full of critters.

Actually funnily enough considering the sex habits of Republican politicians if you defined nature as a male bathroom stall somewhere in Washington DC you probably still could not call homosexuality unnatural.

[Anonymous No.3270020]

>2011
>Not realizing bisexuality is the biological norm with monosexuality being an odd societal design

[Anonymous No.3270027]

>>3270020

>Closet faggot making unsubstantiated claim.

[Anonymous No.3270036]

>>3270020
Deluding yourself because something is ideal does not make it true.

[Anonymous No.3270043]

>>3270020

>2011
>Perpetuating the myth of everyone being a bisexual

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3270052]

/sci/, can't we just agree on not giving a shit?

Judge people off their merits, not their bloody sexuality.

[Anonymous No.3270064]

>>3265423
Mental illness or genetic disease.

Either way they cause harm to the genes.

[Anonymous No.3270065]

>>3270052
>Implying an otherwise useful individual not contributing by providing potentially useful off spring is not a negative

[Anonymous No.3270075]

>>3270065
>implying morality is based on evolutionary fitness

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3270076]

>>3270065
Because spawning children is the most useful thing one could possibly do, right?

All those fundamentalist christians and muslims spawning all those children, what great accomplishments. Because sticking your love pole into a warm wet sleeve and relieving yourself of the excess of mayonnaise in the sandwich you ate is so difficult.

[Anonymous No.3270077]

>>3270065
>implying the world desperately needs more humans
Let's account for all the ones already here. Do the world a favor and adopt.

[Anonymous No.3270078]

>>3270065

>naturalistic fallacy

[Anonymous No.3270081]

>>3270065
>implying adding to the mass of 7 billion is anything significant

[Anonymous No.3270085]

>>3270052
Agreed.

[Anonymous No.3270097]

in normal life I am ambivalent. On 4chan, however...

There's something odd about the gay community on 4chan, they've got this whacked out crusader mentality where they actually seem to believe everyone should be gay. It's really strange, like they came from some bizarro universe.

[Anonymous No.3270098]

>>3265535
that is not true. i was masturbating with the shower head when i was 6 while fantasizing about girls from the 1st grade. I also squirted small amounts of what appeared to be semen or something.

[Anonymous No.3270104]

>>3270052

>Implying that wasn't the point of the thread
>Implying this isn't a straw man argument
>Implying you aren't a massive tripfaggot

[Anonymous No.3270106]

>in normal life I am ambivalent. On 4chan, however...

>There's something odd about the nazi community on 4chan, they've got this whacked out crusader mentality where they actually seem to believe everyone should be nazi. It's really strange, like they came from some bizarro universe.

[Anonymous No.3270112]

>>3270097

That's just the super liberal web 2.0 faggots.

They're pretty much the modern day equivalent of the hippies from the 80's.

[Anonymous No.3270113]

>>3270106
Originally, Nazis were not racist.

[Anonymous No.3270119]

>>3270113

>Implying the Nazi's weren't the good guys

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3270121]

>>3270104
Your hate and tears fuel me.

[Anonymous No.3270125]

My aunt knew I was gay when i was like 9 or something just from the way I interacted with some of the other kids at my school (wanted to be friends with girls when most guys my age did not).

I knew I was gay when I went through puberty.. I sort of really admired naked guys bodies / guys in general, but didn't make the connection until a few years later (13 or so).

So, it's probably a mix of genetic, developmental, and psychosocial factors. I wouldn't say I was 'born gay' because I didn't have a concept of sexuality until I was older.. but it's definitely not a choice. It's innate and static in my experience.

[Anonymous No.3270131]

>>3270112
Maybe the religious are satans spawns? :3

[Anonymous No.3270239]

So much worthless human testimony on here. I thought this board was dedicated to hard science.

[Anonymous No.3270347]

impliedfacepalm.jpg

so many people mad going IT'S NOT A CHOICE FUCKTARD

he never said it was, he inquired as to how it could have evolved, which is a curiosity.

possibilities included the gay uncle gene, the gene's not being sex-specific (eg. if it's in a woman she'll be more fertile, it gets passed on and the dude kids are gay), it being a gene that only manifests itself given certain environmental conditions, etc.