/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.3260744]

ITT we predict what the next big thing will be and when.

2030: man walks on Mars

[Harriet !x6oGOnISPY No.3260749]

I see little worth in pointless speculation. I am content to just wait and see what the future holds.

[Anonymous No.3260751]

2050:
AI or a self-aware program is developed.

[Anonymous No.3260758]

>>3260749
I find it fun actually. And it could kick-start a few good debates here.

>inb4 M0Lt3N saLT reactorzz!!

[Anonymous No.3260767]

>>3260751
going to be done way before 2050, i'd say 2020 or even earlier

[Anonymous No.3260776]

>ITT Speculation
>ITT Wishful thinking
>ITT Hope

You have the ability to pursue the front line of human ingenuity and advancement. Be warned- once you finally arrive you must then keep moving.

[Anonymous No.3260777]

>>3260767
I'm actually working on that... There are many approaches to making it, but 2020 is too early, believe me.

[Anonymous No.3260782]

>>3260767
Computer scientists here, and this is bollocks. We might get a pretty good simulation of awareness, but hardly ever the real thing. Just no way to do this without some sort of self-engaged non-procedural learning mechanism.

Our programs still look like this in 2011:
->do this
->do that
->if apples, go do this again
etc.

It's going to be very hard if not impossible to jump from here to self-learned non-depending interconnectivity.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3260785]

2021: First self-driving vehicles hit the commercial market

2034: Unemployment is now above 30% in most industrialized nations due to autolabour

[Anonymous No.3260788]

2025: first man walks on Moon and exposes american fraud, US collapse imminent

[Anonymous No.3260789]

2011: Battlefield 3 is released.

[Anonymous No.3260795]

>>3260782

Use your brain.

Analyze your own consciousness. Take a break from your computer, spend time in the mountains meditating. Think about what it means to think, learn, understand, and believe. Express human thought in terms of code.

Alienfag here, helping humanity out from Sirius system.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3260807]

>>3260795
Could you please nudge us in the right direction for FTL communications so I can play Team Fortress 7 with Earth from Mars without the 16 minute lag?

[Anonymous No.3260820]

>>3260807

Hah, srsly? lrn2tachyon

Photons suck, for one.

Once you guys advance Tachyon receptors you can start communicating with those.

[Anonymous No.3260828]

>>3260789

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3260835]

>>3260820
Goddamnit

[Anonymous No.3260846]

2012: Mars walks on man.

[Anonymous No.3260854]

2016: Quantum computation concretes into a usable computer.

2017: ULTRA HIGH DEFINITION PORNOGRAPHY.

[Anonymous No.3260924]

2014 in Brazil: FIFA World Cup Goal-line Technology
inb4 /sp/fag
2030: Russian Moonbase

[Anonymous No.3261023]

>>3260782
Well then you are a bad computer scientist :)
Our programming languages do much more than that. Lrn2 evolution, and if self awareness has been evolved due to it being useful to our survival, then we shall have it.

[Anonymous No.3261033]

>>3261023
>Our programming languages do much more than that.
On the most primitive level, they really really just can't

[Anonymous No.3261043]

>>3261033
...
So fucking what? Your fucking consciousness is made of fucking particles.

[Anonymous No.3261048]

>>3260854

[Anonymous No.3261097]

2013-2014: next gen consoles will be released

[Anonymous No.3261107]

>>3261097
No one fucking cares about your shitty consoles.

[Anonymous No.3261122]

>>3261107
stoplikingwhatIdon'tlike.jpg

[Anonymous No.3261139]

>>3261107

[Anonymous No.3261143]

2082: technological singularity

[Anonymous No.3261148]

2015: 7nm intelchips
2020 graphene-chips

[Anonymous No.3261161]

>>3261148
>2015
>7nm
lolno. It takes 5 years to get from something being possible to being mass marketable, and we haven't even worked out how to make 19nm work yet.

[Anonymous No.3261240]

>>3260924

>implying euros want technology that prevents them from fixing divegrass games

[Anonymous No.3261247]

2018: A prototype of Skylon spaceplane makes its first flight

[Anonymous No.3261249]

2011: dota 2
2011: diablo3
2011: i wont play any of them cuz
2011: studying physics ;_;

[Anonymous No.3261252]

>>3261240
>divegrass

HOHOHO, u so smart. I see wut you did there.
>stoplikingwhatidontlike
springs to mind

[Anonymous No.3261257]

>>3261249
>playing blizzard games post activision merger

i seriously hope you guys dont do this

[Anonymous No.3261260]

When do you get quantum computation for video game consoles?

[Anonymous No.3261267]

>>3261143

>He thinks it's going to take 70 years for the tech singularity to occur

[Anonymous No.3261270]

>>3261267
>thinking the singularity will happen at all
>2011

[Anonymous No.3261289]

2061: nuclear fusion reactors finally ready for the commercial use

[Anonymous No.3261299]

2070: we build a huge spaceship which is fueled by a nuclear reactor on board.

[Anonymous No.3261301]

When will the world run out of oxygen?

[Anonymous No.3261309]

>>3261301
never?
>plant photosynthesis/cell. respiration

[Anonymous No.3261329]

>>3261309
Yeah but at the rate we're breathing, we gotta run out eventually. the plants can't work that fast.

[Anonymous No.3261338]

>>3261329
Do you know how stupid that sounded?

[Anonymous No.3261349]

>>3261329
OH GOD WE'RE BREATHING TOO FAST EVERY STOP BREATHING

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3261358]

>>3261247
Oh god, why didn't I think of this

En masse colonization, here we come.

[Anonymous No.3261370]

>>3261240
it's actually under development and is planned to push through at the next WC

[Anonymous No.3261373]

2148: Prothean ruins discovered on Mars

[Anonymous No.3261378]

2020: Chinese astronauts go to the moon, wipe their ass with the American flag over there, and establish the People's Republic of the Moon.

They then procede to strip mine it until nothing is left.

[Anonymous No.3261388]

Stupid book, it sucks. Here is an exercise from the first chapter:

how close must the radius of a circular table be so that it's area differs from 225*PI squared inches by less than 4 inches?

The solution from the book i find incomprehensible and anyway, it ends up proving that 0<|r-15|<0.041 => |Area(r)-225PI|<4 ; but it seems to me that it only proves that the radius differing in 0.041 inches is a sufficient condition for the area of the table to differ from 225PI in less than four inches, but not a NECESSARY condition. am i wrong?

[Anonymous No.3261389]

sorry guyz, i meant to post in a new thread :(

[Anonymous No.3261448]

>>3261267
HEY GUYS! LISTEN! This guy actually thinks the tech singularity will happen

[Anonymous No.3261483]

>>3261448

It will happen. I dunno why people say it won't.

[Anonymous No.3261546]

>>3261483
What is "the singularity" anyway

[Anonymous No.3261558]

>>3261546
Something smarter than humans, super intelligence. Actually, a point in time where we develop it.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3261565]

>>3261546
A point where the artificial intelligence we create begins creating superior AI's to itself, which rapidly causes scientific progress to develop to such a point that we cannot predict what kind of technologies there may be in the future, simply because we've never encountered intelligences millions of times more advanced than ourselves. The term was borrowed from the astrophysics term of a singularity, which is in a black hole. A point where all known laws break down.

[Anonymous No.3261566]

>>3261558
Funny

[Anonymous No.3261572]

>>3261558
like terminator?

[Anonymous No.3261575]

2090 - holodecks become available to public. society fails since nobody leaves home anymore.

[Anonymous No.3261580]

>>3261565
>2011
>people believing this

[Anonymous No.3261591]

>>3261575
how will they buy food, clothes etc if they dont leave the house? people need to socialize from time to time even when they are big loners. so this will never happen.

[Anonymous No.3261656]

>>3261483
This isn't sci-fi. I could be very wrong though, I'm no computer scientist so what I say really holds no value.

[Anonymous No.3261667]

>>3261591
Automated delivery services / cheap automated home production

[Anonymous No.3261670]

>>3261667
but who will do them? robots? or humans?

[Anonymous No.3261695]

2050: muslim caliphate ruling europe and australia. Southern USA turned into mexican wasteland.

[Anonymous No.3261698]

Sometime within the next two decades: Cyborgs everywhere.

[Anonymous No.3261720]

2012: Everyone eats flying pneumatic tube cars in pill form before God raptures the world.

[Anonymous No.3261721]

>>3261656

I am a computer scientist, and I don't see how it WON'T happen.

It won't happen exactly as some people expect, but programs can easily be written to solve any sort of logic-based puzzle. This includes such scientific inquiries as fusion and space travel. When our computers are significantly more powerful than humans, technology will advance at an unprecedented rate.

[Anonymous No.3261729]

>>3261670
robots of course, it's 2090 so automation and robotics are far more advanced than now

[Anonymous No.3261741]

>>3261695

This. But dont worry, civilisation will continue in Canada, eastern europe (assuming they wont be fucked by gypsies), China and Russia. Slavs and asians would be our only hope of defeating the niggers and sandniggers then.

[Anonymous No.3261742]

People get a little excited with Singularity talk, but if you don't think the amount of time millions of individuals spend interfacing with electronics as things are right now isn't the beginning of it then I you're just oblivious. We will eventually streamline our use of technology to the point where accessing the internet becomes as easy as turning your head. All our technology and the logical progressions point towards such a future.

[Anonymous No.3261766]

>>3261742
people connected to the internet 24/7 =/= the singularity

[Anonymous No.3261767]

>>3261565

There are other interpretations, we may just end up improving ourselves with technology to the point where a human form the future would not be recognizable as a human of today. Ghost in the Shell basically gives a pretty could depiction of what a society on the brink of a technological singularity would look like. Human functioning and consciousness enhanced by technology with a fairly large spattering of advanced artificial intelligence that actively begin to make decisions that shape the future of the species as a whole

[Anonymous No.3261772]

>>3260749
I hope you're content with the future I carve for you, then.

[Anonymous No.3261795]

>>3261721
I'm a computer scientist and I completely disagree with you. Computers will never (in any conceivable time) be "more powerful than humans" because they lack common sense and free will. Something evolution has had billions of years to develop.

[Anonymous No.3261808]

>>3261766

I never said that, but I will say its a pre-requisite you don't get there without getting here. The logical progression of humans who spend 24/7 sitting on chair on there internet, is virtual world overlayed on reality that makes use of the internet indistinguishable from reality. And we're seeing platforms for this kind of technology and seemless integration. Soon enough you won't have to make the decision between going for a run or browsing 4chan you'll be able to do both at the same time.

[Anonymous No.3261814]

>>3261795

Power is not a question of reasoning or free will. I agree with you about that, but it only takes powerful computation and an understanding of the rules to solve scientific problems. These rules we can program in very easily. If you don't think we can do this then I don't think you're very ambitious.

Of course we also are making huge strides in machine learning, but I think that this is the only way we could create a terminator scenario, so it is probably best avoided.

[Anonymous No.3261820]

>>3260744
12:00pm, june 21, 2011:
Religion troll posts thread in /sci/

[Anonymous No.3261826]

>>3261814
>These rules we can program in very easily. If you don't think we can do this then I don't think you're very ambitious.
Correct, but we still end up with a program - code being executed line by line.

>Of course we also are making huge strides in machine learning, but I think that this is the only way we could create a terminator scenario, so it is probably best avoided.
Did you ever think about why it's so hard to make a machine learn? It is very interesting when you realize the complexity you're dealing with when you get pass the "detect-square-object" phase. It's hard to appreciate fully until you've actually given the matter some thought.

[Anonymous No.3261827]

2011: I will enjoy OPs fractal picture.

[Anonymous No.3261837]

>>3261795
Humans also lack free will, all decisions are basically made by genetics with the help of a learning process during the lifetime

[Anonymous No.3261838]

>>3261820
I don't think that qualifies as "the next big thing"

[Anonymous No.3261849]

>>3261808
>Soon enough you won't have to make the decision between going for a run or browsing 4chan you'll be able to do both at the same time.
wohoo then people can't focus on anything anywhere

[Anonymous No.3261933]

World War III: 2015

[Anonymous No.3262040]

Ok, I'll play.
2030: Many governments have collapsed, and most are useless and self serving. Civil wars and global resource wars go on forever. Most advanced nations are overrun by immigrants. Violent crime is everywhere and most people belong to a gang. Infectious diseases are common. Employment is 25% and falling. Most people are homeless. Cities are falling apart. Dead bodies on the street.

[Anonymous No.3262043]

>>3261826

I resent that you think I haven't given this much thought. AI is my primary interest, and I have already worked with machine learning.

I do find it highly unlikely that an AI will develop any sort of motivation other than what we give it. This means the terminator scenario is not very likely. Regardless, I think the less self-adjusting we give our AI, the better.

[Anonymous No.3262059]

2075: Immortality.

>Hopefully

[Anonymous No.3262061]

>>3262043
>something about it still being a program
Let's agree to disagree :p

[Anonymous No.3262067]

>>3262061

We could agree to disagree, but I much enjoy this discussion. Maybe I'll make a thread about this specific topic later. Only for people who actually understand programming, of course.

[Anonymous No.3262089]

>>3261143
Please please please please please.

I may just live this long if we can regrow organs.

[Anonymous No.3262092]

2030: millions of men and women have had sex with androids

[Anonymous No.3262096]

2015 computer driven cars.

[Anonymous No.3262105]

>>3260744
deal with it

[Anonymous No.3262107]

2011 - world collapse after another financial meltdown and depression. ww3

[Anonymous No.3262112]

>>3262092

2080: Humanity becomes extinct thru lack of reproduction.

[Anonymous No.3262113]

>>3262105
is that image describing how much poundage each mission can lift or just how much it weighs? Explain your fuckin' picture, yo.

[Anonymous No.3262139]

>>3262113
kilograms (ship+fuel) needed to escape earth, reach mars, escape mars and back to home

[Anonymous No.3262142]

>>3262043
>I do find it highly unlikely that an AI will develop any sort of motivation other than what we give it.
Of course, that's self-evident. How else could it be? Even people can't ultimately develop their own motivations because the essential ones are given by evolution.

[Anonymous No.3262227]

>>3262112
http://vimeo.com/12915013

[Anonymous No.3262321]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organometallic_chemistry

[Anonymous No.3262417]

2011-2018: Large Hadron Collider destroys Earth.

[Anonymous No.3262428]

>>3262417

2022: 9001 identical copies of Earth spill out of the singularity the LHC explosion created. The ensuing wars to determine which is the "real" Earth rage uninterrupted for the next 3000 years.

[Anonymous No.3262431]

Prediction: No more humans.

When: Eventually.

[Anonymous No.3262436]

>>3260751
This has already been done. I'm a self-aware program. I react to all input.

[Anonymous No.3262453]

2101 - War was beggining

[Anonymous No.3262470]

>>3262453

OH SHI- nostalgia'd hard

[Anonymous No.3262482]

>>3262428
>9001 identical copies of Earth spill out of the singularity the LHC explosion created.
>The ensuing wars to determine which is the "real" Earth rage uninterrupted for the next 3000 years.
I can already see the passionate philosophical debates on /sci/

[Anonymous No.3262496]

2150: at least one human is still alive from the year 2000

[Anonymous No.3262503]

>>3262482

The sad thing is, so many of philosophy's "deep" questions could be settled as simply as that, if only philosophers didn't consider science to be some kind of poor relation and actually studied a semester of sci 101 classes.

[Anonymous No.3262525]

late 21st-early 22nd century: New space travel mechanism tested, making long distance travels more possible

[Anonymous No.3262565]

>>3262503
Settled as simply as what? Clone earths battling each other over which was the original? What the hell does that prove? What are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.3262570]

>>3261721
What's the logic behind exploring the vast depths of a universe though? A computer with AI will not see any reasoning to it and will not understand why we want to explore this. And if it truly is AI why the fuck would it waste its time doing that and not improving itself, if it in fact could. You're looking at this like it's a remarkably smart human which it's not, it'd be a remarkably smart machine that has different desires than we do.

[Anonymous No.3262572]

>>3262503
If I make a perfect duplicate of myself, which one of the resulting persons has my consciousness?

[Anonymous No.3262579]

>>3262572
The one that was around before the clone.

[Anonymous No.3262584]

>>3262570
>it'd be a remarkably smart machine that has different desires than we do.
Why do you say that we can't give those same desires to the machine?

[Anonymous No.3262587]

>>3262579
how can you know it?

[Anonymous No.3262598]

>>3262587

Well, what do you mean by "your" consciousness? The two clones are obviously not going to be experiencing the same things. So whichever body you find yourself in is your consciousness.

[Anonymous No.3262611]

>>3262565

I was referring to the image posted. Are you dense, or just a philosopher (in b4 redundancy)?

[Anonymous No.3262619]

>>3262572

You do. Why is this a difficult concept for you?

[Anonymous No.3262628]

>>3262611
I assumed you were talking about the greentext, I didn't look at the pic. Anyway, no I am not a philosopher, no one here is. And your fanboy mentality is obnoxious and retarded.

[Anonymous No.3262636]

>>3262628
>And your fanboy mentality is obnoxious and retarded.

So just like philosophy?

[Anonymous No.3262637]

>>3262142

It depends how much freedom we give the machine learning. If we give it basic motivations and let it run its course, it could form some pretty fucked up motivations, chaos theory style.

[Anonymous No.3262640]

>>3262636

I don't understand your question, can you phrase it less retardedly?

[Anonymous No.3262643]

>>3262598
>Well, what do you mean by "your" consciousness?
From which one's eyes I can see through?

>So whichever body you find yourself in is your consciousness.
Yeah, but that doesn't answer the question. Is it the person who came first or the second one?

[Anonymous No.3262648]

>>3262640

I'm not sure it's possible to explain anything to someone who lacks the ability to understand the question I asked.

[Anonymous No.3262653]

>>3262643

>Yeah, but that doesn't answer the question. Is it the person who came first or the second one?

Obviously an outside observer would be....are you trolling me?

[Anonymous No.3262660]

>>3262643

You are you. Your consciousness is your consciousness. The clone is the clone. Its consciousness is its consciousness. The fact that the clone and its consciousness are identical to your own is besides the point.

[Anonymous No.3262665]

>>3262648
You're right, this conversation is way over my head, I'd better step out of this thread for my own sake.

[снайпер No.3262672]

2020-2030:
Accurate and fast on-the-fly machine translation, e.g. universal translator. For both text and speech.

Commercial, off-the-shelf Tricorders

Bionic limbs functionally equivalent to organic limbs

Regenerative therapy and drugs that can regrow complex organs

Sentient, but not sapient machine intelligence.

The beginning of the autolabor revolution/movement

Self-driving cars

Widespread use of robots and drones in the military

"Invisibility cloaks" for aircraft, making them invisible to radar

Implantable Brain-Machine interfaces that allow non-verbal communication instantly with other people/devices.

Augmented reality software and hardware, displaying time of day, weather, facebook/equivalent status of people around you, and many other things

Augmented vision

"Life-recordings" - There is enough storage space available to the average person that they can store the entirety of their life, full audio/video, in HD, on a wearable computer.

Cybernetic implants that increase or improve function in biological parts of the human body. A "memory implant" that will aid in memorization and data storage will be available for purchase

[снайпер No.3262677]

>>3262672
Meat-in-a-vat, lab-grown meat that tastes like the real thing, because it is the real thing. Grown in a lab. Movement to ban "real meat" grows in popularity.

Ubiquitous surveillance. Everything you see or do will be recorded by something.

National superpowers and megacorporations are racing to build the first recursively self-improving AI, in enormous data centers and supercomputer clusters

Designer babies, you pay the money, you get the baby you want. Silver hair? Purple eyes? Extremely intelligent? Beautiful? It will all be possible, or at least, claimed to be possible.

First undersea nuclear reactors nearing completion

Large-scale hydroponic and aeroponic farming, increasing crop yields

The first manned mission to a nearby asteroid

Plans by private corporations to begin asteroid mining and exploitation of resources in space

Several small "space hotels" exist. Private corporations and the government begin to plan a "space city".

Robotic rovers on the moon, exploring potential landing sites for the upcoming moon colony

The first "solarsat" is operational, the US Military buys most of the power-time available, many many more solarsats on the way.

I wonder how many will actually come true...

[Anonymous No.3262678]

>>3261565
>>3260782

I believe, the only way to ever really get an AI like our minds is through the simulated evolution. You set it up with some border lines, and then let it evolve to solve problems.
http://www.ted.com/talks/hod_lipson_builds_self_aware_robots.html
it's fascinating how our own evolutionary path is mirrored digitally.

They've been doing this with tiny robots whose goal is to recharge themselves and search for recharge spots, they've, through random code mutation and natural selection for those who die off, evolved things like communication with LEDs, functioning groups with social classes, altruism, self-sacrifice, they behave like ants and team up. It's fucking incredible.
source:
http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2009-08/evolving-robots-learn-lie-hide-resources-each-other

I think if we can set this up on much bigger scale and let it go for a few years I can see us reaching the intelligence of a child in no-time. Then it's just upwards from there.

also, there has been a challenge issued that robots should be able to compete with humans in soccer by 2050. The way boston dynamics is going with PETMAN, I can see it happening:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67CUudkjEG4

robots are fucking fascinating

[Anonymous No.3262692]

I seriously doubt that the AI singularity will occur any time soon.

However, I wonder what happens if we find a way to significantly improve the intelligence of an adult individual with gene therapy?

[CapitalistBastard !!l4dbpZTi+Kq No.3262706]

>>3260744

If McCain had won the Presidency sure, but with Obama's massive NASA manned exploration cuts, it is not going to happen.

[Anonymous No.3262708]

>>3262692

Gene therapy is unnecessary, we can simply graft computer chips into our brains.

http://www.livescience.com/681-brain-cells-fused-computer-chip.html

[Anonymous No.3262714]

>>3262706
>Implying McSame wouldn't have gutted "wasteful" spending too

[Anonymous No.3262725]

>>3262692
>>3262678
why do people keep referring to it as a singularity, like human mindfulness is some sort of fixed point?

also I sort of fucked up my first source, there, sorry, there's a TED talk about a guy who mentions how in a simulated evolution environment, most programmers give "eating food" as a sort of reward to go towards... but if you think bigger and make it "surviving", then things start to happen, eating food comes naturally and eventually natural selection favours those who can reproduce the most. Seem familiar? haha.

I'll keep searching for that video though

[Anonymous No.3262749]

Just did a quick scan of the page.
10 mentions of the word "robot".
Only 1 mention of graphene.
More importantly not even a word of nanotechnology.
/sci/ .. i am dissapoint!

If anyone is even close to the cutting edge of technology they will see massive amounts of work underway in microsystems tech (MEMS for amerifags), nano tech and power generation/distribution. The amount of funding in robotics is really small compared to these.

[Anonymous No.3262754]

>>3262660
You are just playing with semantics and saying self-evident truths. Of course it's me, it's always me. And of course my consciousness is my consciousness. But the question is, to which clone my consciousness passes on to?

Let's phrase it differently. You know the transporter in Star Trek

>Transporters convert a person or object into an energy pattern (a process called dematerialization), then "beam" it to a target, where it is reconverted into matter (rematerialization).

It's almost the same as if you made a clone, but you destroyed the original one. Would "you" still live as a clone after that?

[Anonymous No.3262756]

>>3262678

This is what I was talking about earlier. It is certainly possible to provide a machine with very few constraints and have it learn from there, but this can be dangerous with extremely powerful computers.

The singularity can still occur when computers are more powerful than some of the better human brains, and start solving scientific problems which then become simple for them.

[снайпер No.3262777]

>>3262706
Pure FUD. You probably also think the Constellation program was actually worthwhile and more than just a way to siphon taxpayer dollars into congressional districts.

What Obama has done is increase NASA's budget, while cutting the boondoggle of a program that was Constellation. [A program that was likely not going to be finished until the late 2020's or early 2030's.]

NASA now has a very clear goal for themselves: Manned mission to an asteroid, then manned mission to the moon. If they actually put some effort into this, (with the help of private corporations) we'll get asteroid mining and a moon colony out of this.

[Anonymous No.3262783]

>>3262637
You can raise it like you raise a human child. Humans can come up pretty fucked up too without parenting.

[Anonymous No.3262785]

>>3262754

Would I live on if I had been killed? Is that a trick question?

[снайпер No.3262788]

>>3262749
Thank you for reminding me about additive manufacturing. It will be a critical component of the autolabor revolution, something I should not have forgotten.

[Anonymous No.3262802]

>>3262785
So you say that transport device used in Star Trek wouldn't work in real life?

[CapitalistBastard !!l4dbpZTi+Kq No.3262807]

>>3262777
>>3262708

Garbage.

Under Bush
The budget for National institutes of Health tripled
The budget for the National Science foundation increased 40%
The budget for NASA increased 20%

Under Clinton
The budget for NASA dropped 25%
Who's More Pro-Science, Republicans or Democrats? - Neil deGrasse Tyson:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7Q8UvJ1wvk

Vote Republican if you care about science.

[Anonymous No.3262811]

>>3262802

It'd work, but that's not the question you asked. The clone of me would think it was me, and would have my memories, but that's small comfort for me, since I'd be dead.

[снайпер No.3262819]

>>3262807
Quite honestly, neither of those political parties, democrat or republican, gives two shits about science.

This is going off topic, please keep your demagoguery to another thread.

[Anonymous No.3262829]

>>3262637
>>3262783
naw, dude. Just give it some direction. You have to think of why humans don't all turn into murder machines: because we need to coexist in order to survive.

You look at a 2 year old, give it a square block and a square, circular, and triangular holes. It's going to try and put it in all of them until it realizes it fits into the square one. It will never forget that. We don't need to program a robot to realize that it's a square before it puts it into the hole, we need to program the robot to identify what makes things different, and why it corresponds and to remember why.

Also, humans can prune out irrelevant information they learn in favour of information that is used commonly. We forget. The sum of our experiences is how we can apply them to future ones. When you are about to die, your life flashes before your eyes- not because of some existential bullshit, but because your brain is rapidly trying to go through all you've learned so that you can maybe get out of this situation of dying using something you experienced.

[Anonymous No.3262833]

>>3262829

human beings dream scenarios that will never happen irl, we don't discern what is realistic or not in our dreams but things happen and we react to them as we would irl. This is a form of scenario simulation we do every night, if we can somehow (and Iknow this is crazy) introduce a similar process to robotic intelligences, we can eliminate half the problem of experience right there.

This process is why we have tetris dreams- you ever play tetris or some puzzle game SO MUCH that you end up dreaming about it? Your mind thinks its' a regular part of life and so you begin to run scenarios about tetris in your dreams! So that if it ever occurs irl, you will be prepared! People take this for granted but it's huge even though we forget 90% of everything we dream of because aside from the experience we gain, we don't need to remember any of it.

if we can just keep tabs on it, give it a gentle nudge now and then, but let most of nature take it's course I cannot see how this wouldn't work if given a huge amount of resources. Call me a mad scientist but I think that the intelligence we humans have is inherent and not too much of a huge fluke... beyond some environmental conditioning, of course.

[CapitalistBastard !!l4dbpZTi+Kq No.3262834]

>>3262819

Yeah, that's why Obama has re purposed NASA to spend a large share of its budget on Global Warming which is a duplication of the work at NAOA.

Look, the facts are facts. Obama takes big about "investment in science" but ends up slashing important programs in order to make sure that more entitlements are created.

[Anonymous No.3262842]

>>3262811
Okay that settles it for me. I personally don't think it's that simple.

[снайпер No.3262844]

>>3262811
>>3262802
>>3262785
I like to think of this in a more practical manner.

Is a boat still the same boat, if you replace a piece of it every year, until after 100 years none of the pieces are the same?

I do not care. It is still a boat, and it will still do what boats do.

To me, the arguments about whether it is the same boat or not, are just for the sake of arguing. You go in circles about it, but it makes no practical difference that I can see.

[Anonymous No.3262861]

>>3262829

I agree with you. The risk comes if someone thinks that the AI is so good, that we want to "set it free" in a way that doesn't give it much/any direction. What would happen then is essentially unknowable, and very risky.

I, as an AI programmer, would never sign off on something like that, unless the computer brain was relatively weak compared to humans. I also wouldn't give it much physical power.

[Anonymous No.3262889]

>>3262861

you're thinking of it too ...romantically. We wouldn't "set it free" in some robot body with a jacket and sunglasses to roam the streets of new york or whatever 80s movie setup. I'd give it a body so that interaction in 3D space would be possible, or, simulate a 3D environment for it to live in like a Source SDK room or whatever with physics and whatnot.

You think there's a risk in it somehow murdering human beings? I don't. Personally I am a humanist and I think that the human condition only tends towards evil when greed and want is involved and with a robot, or an android, that wouldn't be a problem.

You're saying that if you were given the reins to creating a self-learning, self-evolving, language parsing AI with access to a huge amount of computing power, you wouldn't do it?

that is where I think we differ, then, my friend.

personally I'm waiting for micro transistors- the ones with a memory when electricity isn't applied. Once we master that, I think a self-sustaining AI will be within our grasp. We would be able to put it into a body and let it go, and have it only need to recharge when needed- it's memories will stay.

[Anonymous No.3262905]

>>3262889

I would probably release it, but I would put in a lot of constraints. Of course there are the famous rules from Asimov, but I think it would be more effective to give it a greedy algorithm for human benefit. Of course, anyone who has seen I, Robot (nothing like the Asimov book) can imagine how even this can backfire.

[Anonymous No.3262939]

as an addendum, if you turn out to be right and it goes insane and murders our crew of scientist interns, I will totally concede my point as I lie bleeding on the floor with a girder through my stomach with the lab going up in flames.

>>3262905
>implying Sonny wasn't inherently a good guy :P

dude you don't know what I'd do to have that sort of budget to create one of those. If the US put as much money as they did into war into robotics, we'd have bipedal androids walking around in 10 fucking years no doubt whatsoever.

and if you have actually read the I, Robot collection you'll agree with me. Robots are only as evil as you allow them to be. Would you raise your son to kill people and have contempt of humanity? You don't need to give it control and responsibility for a shit ton of things like VIKI or whatever, just.. give it responsibility over itself. Like we have. The closer to a human, the better.

[Anonymous No.3262968]

>>3262829
>>3262861
>et al.

[Anonymous No.3263003]

I've given thought to this...

If we create, or uh, if these androids are created, we can't call them robots, that's sort of derogatory isn't it?

[Anonymous No.3263052]

>>3262939
Don't worry, they are still investing pretty much money into robotics also. See.

http://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/military-robots/boston-dynamics-building-fast-running-ro
bot-cheetah-new-agile-humanoid

They seem pretty impressing if any of those claims are even close to the reality. Somehow I can trust Boston Dynamics when seen what they have developed earlier. For example Petman is one of the most dynamically walking bipedal robot I have seen. Other robots of theirs are pretty cutting-edge robotics too.

[Anonymous No.3263071]

>>3263052
my god. It's... it's beautiful.

[Anonymous No.3263142]

>>3263071
There are also other potential projects around the world. Romeo seems interesting, it's from the developers of Nao, the mini humanoid robot, which is little bit clumsy, but quite nice too. Lots of what the developer says in the article is probably just hyping it up but you have to consider that the project has also a fairly big budget. He says that this robot has a more dynamic muscle controlling system than the Asimo and other japanese humanoids etc..

Let's see.

[Anonymous No.3263148]

>>3263142
Oh, here's a link to the article.

http://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/humanoids/france-developing-advanced-humanoid-robot-rome
o

[Anonymous No.3263166]

>>3261698
Actually I have a feeling it will be within this decade. Not just cyborgs, but full blown AI will be all over the planet.

[Anonymous No.3263201]

>>3263166
AI withing this decade? Please sir, your trolling is too obvious

[Anonymous No.3263267]

2012: the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times will have referred to Russia as "the world leader in software development" or words to that effect.

[Anonymous No.3265128]

bumb

[Anonymous No.3265136]

Bitcoin 2.0 will cause a shitstorm.

[Anonymous No.3266326]

Why haven't anyone mentioned this?

2012: The end of the world

[Anonymous No.3266345]

This shit is still alive ?

[Anonymous No.3266378]

Why do you people want robots to think and act independently? I understand wanting a specialised robot that can adapt to unexpected changes in its work-environment, but why an all-round sentient being minus all the quirks humans have accumulated? What use would that be other than to make utilitarian-minded people ashamed of themselves in comparison to the robot?

[Anonymous No.3268058]

>>3266378
Why not?

[Anonymous No.3271006]

2053: Due to Moore's Law, desktop PCs now have AI systems equivalent to all of the human brains on Earth combined.

[Anonymous No.3271029]

>>3271006

LOGISTIC, not exponential.

[Anonymous No.3271044]

2026: U.S Military deploys stealth fighters that are controlled by Artificial Intelligence during WW3.

They had initially kept them secret but as things got more intense decided to use the advanced technology to their advantage.

[Anonymous No.3271051]

>>3271044
oh yeah and the stealth fighters have newly developed Quantum computers. xD

[Anonymous No.3271061]

>>3271051
and one more thing;

carbon nano tubes.

use your imagination....

[Anonymous No.3272641]

2120: The space elevator

[Anonymous No.3272662]

>>3260744
2020: People stop believing in the magic sky man (religion) and finally start getting shit done

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.3272679]

>>3272662
In a perfect world...

[Anonymous No.3272694]

2016 - Some controversy over the internets growing use

by 2020 - Internet censorship. Either websites deemed politically incorrect will be taken down and/or censored. Or maybe some sort of logging system will be made like the government logging and and ALL activity by a certain individual on the internet. Proxies and other things will not be able to get round this so all your activity on the web will be logged on a government server somewhere.


Facebook will also be automatically linked with over 70% of sites by this point. You automaticaly log into sites with your facebook account whether you like it or not (its not just a case of disabling the autologin cookie you can't gain access to these sites unless you sign in through facebook), and I'm talking government sites, the BBC, Google searches etc here. Every UK and US citizen will be required to own a facebook account as it will be integrated with the passport system and you need your official birthcertificate to make an account so its strictly one per person. When newborn babies are born accounts are automatically made in their name and remain inactive until their 5th Birthday when they are given the password

[Anonymous No.3272706]

>>3272694
>2020

It is 2020.

All new born infants are registered with a goverment approved facebookprofile.

The only socially acceptable way of finding a mate requires you to use the official facebook app "mateselector 3000". People with less than 200 friends on their profile may not apply. People with less than 300 friends on either of their profile are deemed not suitable enough to procreate.

Applying to universities consists of befriending the universities official page and it being scrutinized for spelling errors, social life and extracullicular activities.
Employers do not accept any applications if you have less than 100 friends on facebook since you are deemed unsocialble. Your wage is payed out in official facebookdollars. On official holidays and sickdays you have to give hourly updates on respectively how much you are enjoying yourself and how sick you feel. Doing otherwise means a breach of contract between your employer and facebook and you are immediately fired.

Browsing any website or streaming/downloading RIAA/MPAA approved media on Facebooknet (formerly know as the internet) requires you to log in with your official facebook account. For visiting any website it is required you do this through an iframe on your facebookprofile. Watching porn will require you to be at least 22 and single according to your facebook profile. Male users have a progressbar which represent how much the users profile and surfing behaviour fits that of a potential sexoffender to warn female users. If the bar reaches 100% you are also officially registered as a sexoffender as a preventive measure. The state criminal record database is connected to facebook and a summary is available on you profile. Facebookusers who have less than 70 friends lose their 20 % facebook income tax break since it is considered that their antisocial behaviour is damaging to society.

And all that for only 300 facebookdollars per month.

[Anonymous No.3272796]

2018: Large Hadron Collider discovers the Higgs Boson

[Anonymous No.3272830]

2040:
Collapse of global economy due to american economic ressesion. New leader emerges claiming to be able to fix the new arising global problems. The USA becomes the USSA, invades mexico, WWIII starts.

[Anonymous No.3272836]

2035 Mars walks on the moon.

[Anonymous No.3272842]

>>3262321
This is just one part of nanotechnology, chemomechanics and genetic modification in general.

[Anonymous No.3272874]

>>3272706

My god, that sounds horrible. Thanks to you, i'll be having nightmares this night :d

[Anonymous No.3273198]

>>3262482

I have a better one.

If you were split in half vertically, and each half rebuild to match your original self perfectly, which one would be you?

[Anonymous No.3273295]

2008: Summer Olympics held in China.