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3252324 No.3252324 [Reply] [Original]

This is your daily reminder that one day, you will die. You will not "pass on", nor will you "rest in peace", your conscious mind will be annihilated and you will cease to exist entirely, in any shape, form or kind.

Everyone should spent a minute every day contemplating this fact and evaluating their life priorities accordingly.

>> No.3252326

I contemplate that OP is a faggot for stating the obvious.

>> No.3252329

Thanks.

>> No.3252330

>>3252324

Joke's on you I'm a singularitarian.

>> No.3252331

>Everyone should spent a minute every day contemplating this fact and evaluating their life priorities accordingly.

Counterproductive as fuck. Depressions and perhaps even paranoia is almost guaranteed to ensue.

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>>3252324
>your conscious mind will be annihilated and you will cease to exist entirely

>> No.3252333

+1

Much gratitude. Everyone in the world should hear this.

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3252336

sounds like resting in peace to me.
i'm aware of it, and thats fine. i'll just enjoy myself while im still alive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6ljFaKRTrI

>> No.3252337

>>3252324
Prove it

>> No.3252342

If that's the case, then what "life priorities" should I worry about?

>> No.3252345

ITT: Mad as fuck

I'm with you, OP. We must contemplate death and understand our mortality.

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>> No.3252348

>>3252330

The "joke", such as it is, is on you. How old are you? What's your earliest prediction of the Singularity? Is it within the average lifespan given your birth date? How probable is the Singularity at all?

Extrapolating possible (or even probable) immortality for a very uncertain event in the future strikes me as...not very rational, to say the least.

>> No.3252359

What is "I"? Am I a process or a structure? When I produce children, they have a similar brain structure than I have, does that mean that I can live through them?

>> No.3252363

>>3252348
Chill out, dude, he's joking.

>> No.3252372

Joke's on you OP. I've uploaded my consciousness to the vast Network. Soon I will transcend even these boundaries and become one with the universe.

At least I'm delaying my death by a couple billion years.

>> No.3252377

I have known this for most of my life. I have based my life upon this premise. I always knew that all endeavors are ultimately futile but it was really driven home when I was a teenager and Mr Ronald Regan informed me that I would face the apocolypse.

I quickly realized that it didnt matter if he was right or not, I would face my own as everybody must. Those nukes aimed at me, threatening me were simply a metaphor, a pale shadow of the true hammer that hangs over the heads of all, death.

And then I stopped giving a fuck about everything and did coke for a few decades.

Now I am older and while I am still quite aware that everybody will die never to rise again, but sometimes that doesnt happen when you think it might, and living can fucking hurt like hell so maybe dont be too much of a maniac.

>> No.3252378

>>3252324

What would our (the human species') priority be if a mad dictator was killing 150 000 people per day at random?

Why do those priorities (STOP WHATEVER IS KILLING ONE HUNDER AND FIFTY THOUSAND PEOPLE EVERY DAY) change once you replace "dictator" with "natural causes"?

Just because death is natural doesn't mean we should somehow embrace it. Every single death of a sentient being is a sad and terrible event. The only rational "life priority" in regard to death and human mortality is to PUT AN END TO IT.

Yes, I'm mad as fuck, I'm mad that billions of sentient being are sentenced to death by the nature of the universe, I'm mad as fuck that people I care about will one day stop existing, and I'm mad as fuck that people who care about me will have to watch me die. Putting an end to this is the only rational response.

>> No.3252380

>>3252324
If that's true then why does God exist?

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>>3252378

>> No.3252396

>>3252378

>Why do those priorities change once you replace "dictator" with "natural causes"?

With the sole reason of trolling the fuck out of melodramatic faggots like you.

Alternatively, because people like to rationalise acceptance of something that isn't likely to change within their lifetimes. People are afraid to start an LHC-sized project to defeat mortality, precisely because it gives them false hopes and probably won't be complete within any of our lifetimes.

>> No.3252400

>>3252378
retard

>> No.3252403

>>3252400

A true rationalist argument if I ever saw one.

>> No.3252408

>>3252378
Nice one

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3252410

Yup, I think about it loads. What's more, I'm totally okay with it.

I mean, it's not like I'm going to be around to miss life. Why would death inconvenience me? Pic related.

>> No.3252413

>>3252396
Everyone's just scared of "playing God"

>> No.3252415

>>3252331
truth

>> No.3252423

>>3252380
>>3252378
>>3252372


FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU

Take your retarded transhumanist pipe dreams into another thread. I'm trying to get people to comprehend the meaning of mortality. Offering gullible morons false hopes of immortality defeats the goal of getting people to perceive the fundamental value of life.

>> No.3252436

>>3252423
>fundamental value of life
Which is?

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3252437

>Why would death inconvenience me?

>> No.3252440

Thanks OP, that's a good thing to remember

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3252443

Trolling, or just being a negative atheist?

Without any kind of religious or even spiritual belief you still can concede that after your death, the particles that made up your physical form will continue to be part of the life cycle of this planet.

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>>3252378
i dont get why people call this guy a retard. sounds like a good arguement to me.

>> No.3252451

>>3252423
...says the neckbeard wasting his life on /sci/.

>> No.3252453

>>3252437
I have the feeling that you don't understand what I'm saying.

Tell me, why would it inconvenience me? I won't be around anymore. My consciousness is gone, completely. There would be no suffering, no pain, no anything. It wouldn't be an inconvenience because I wouldn't know.

>> No.3252455

>Without any kind of religious or even spiritual belief you still can concede that after your death, the particles that made up your physical form will continue to be part of the life cycle of this planet.
This. There is definitely life after dead: all the other living beings.

>> No.3252459

>>3252372
Would be sweet if we could somehow translate our consciousness onto the interwebs. Lurking 4clams foeva z0mgbbqsause!!!!1one1!.

>>3252332
Ego death FUCK YEAH! Those are always fun.

>> No.3252467

Why does a board full of people who like discovering new things and experimenting react so strongly against efforts to overcome death? Mortality doesn't have to be an axiom.

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>>3252453
I know exactly what you mean:
you mean: why would I care when I CANT care.

but still... ur dead.... its an incovenience to you in the way that you cant drink coffee or talk with friends anymore

>> No.3252470

>>3252443

My body is not me. I am the neural pattern of this brain. I'm not made of atoms, I am a series of connections and impulses between neural cells. Once I am dead, there is nothing left of me, not one atom, since the corpse left behind does not represent me, it's just the substrate I used. It allows me existence, but it is not me.

Yes, I'm an atheist, and when it comes to death, I'm negative as fuck. It's the only sensible viewpoint once you brush aside all the religious fantasies. Death is the worst thing that can happen, and it happens thousands of times every day. It's sad and pathetic that we've become so complacent and desensitized to it.

>> No.3252476

>>3252467
>>3252467

only a few people are against it

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OP:
>against transhumanism to prevent death
>afraid of death
>mfw

>> No.3252506

>>3252436
Still waiting for an answer OP

>> No.3252507

>>3252470
>>3252423

Allright, so you realise death is a bad thing.

Now, given that you acknowledge that death is terrible and shouldn't happen, why are you so opposed to attempts at delaying and/or stopping it? I just don't understand how rational atheists can be so strongly opposed to transhumanism. It's like you still secretly believe you're going to some better place after you're dead. Should you consider the matter more seriously, you'll realise that trying to stop death truly is the only rational response if you don't believe in an afterlife.

>> No.3252529

>>3252507

I'm not opposed to it, this just isn't the place for it. Let's face it, even if you take the most optimistic estimates for the singularity or whatever is supposed to save us from death, most people alive today will die. And "we'll be immortal in 50 years, so we shouldn't care about death today" is a terrible attitude to take. We need to appreciate the magnitude of the event of the annihilation of a sentient mind.

>> No.3252535

>>3252470
So are you afraid just of the death of your consciousness or do you cry for every cell you're losing now?

>> No.3252539

>>3252529
OP's way of thinking:
>project to become immortal takes 100 years
well since ima die before that, im not gonna start it
>OP's kids
FUCK, MY DAD IS A DICK.

>> No.3252544

AHAHAHA, atheists mad as fuck.

Enjoy your late-onset schizophrenia from being scared as shit of death. Because, I'm Christian, and I have to admit it, the atheist belief about death is _the_ fucking scariest. Because it applies to everyone, and there's no way out of it. What's the point of that? Atheism is a ridiculous belief system.

>> No.3252551

>>3252535

Just my consciousness. Since my consciousness is not damaged by loss of individual cells (nor are my other bodily functions impaired), why should I care about that?

>> No.3252552

>>3252544
Sure because being afraid or delusional will make a big difference when you have to deal with entropy

>> No.3252561

>>3252544
Belief system?
Stop fucking labeling belief and faith. You either believe in something or you don't. There is no fucking system involved.

>> No.3252564

>>3252544

>What's the point of that?

It's the truth. The universe isn't fair, and nothing written in a 2000 years old fairy tale can change that. Now if you would kindly leave this thread, please.

>> No.3252568

I was in a car crash the other day, and this thought came into my head at the moment just before the crash.. it was the closest near death experience I've had so far, and it's quite a weird feeling to have.. as the last words before the crash going through my head were "this is it.."

they could have been my last words.. my last thoughts.. not a flashback of my mum and me when i was younger.. just the fact that i was embracing death.. was yeah, kinda weird..

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3252569

What Op is trying to say:
We should value life more, and appreciate it.

How he expresses his opinion:
like a retarded monkey with a pencil in its buttcheeks

>> No.3252573

>>3252551
Because death is death, and the death of your cell's will lead to yours.
You cant be afraid of the death of only one kind of individuals, because, what is consciousness, why should we worry only about human death?

http://translate.google.es/translate?hl=es&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rtve.es%2Fno
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>> No.3252577

>>3252568
Closest encounter with death:
>grade 5
>swimming
>deep end
>almost drown
>think about how I want a game cube
>pass out
>wake up
>last thought was about game cube

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>>3252423
Chill OP, I agree completely with what you're saying. I think of the "fact" you mentioned in your OP a lot (not daily, but enough to set my priorities straight).

That being said why hate on transhumanism? I seriously doubt any of those posters believe that they will ascend from being just human in their lifetime.

I use transhumanism as a crutch, just like a Christian uses God as a crutch to make this life more bearable.

The thought that we can potentially evolve beyond our normal capacities and transcend into just an immortal consciousness is pretty cool and gives me hope for the future. Not my future, but the future of the next generation(s).

>> No.3252583

>>3252569

Feel free to rephrase my message (as you perceive it) as eloquently as you please. I admit communicating this in a way people can appreciate might present a bit of a problem to me. There's no need for personal insults.

>> No.3252586

>>3252468
For me to be inconvenienced by something, I have to be around to experience it. By definition, I can't be around when I'm dead.

>> No.3252603

>>3252573

There is a world of difference between cell death and the annihilation of a conscious mind. In fact, labelling them both as "death" is laughable. We're taking the destruction of a sentient mind and calling it the same thing as a natural end-state of a chemical automaton.

>> No.3252609

>>3252603
How can you say we aren't chemical automatons?

>> No.3252623

I went from nothing to something once... I'll try to pull it off again.

>> No.3252626

Holographic Universe

>> No.3252628

>>3252609

Because "we" aren't our bodies. We're not even the collection of cells that make up the brain, we are the configuration of the connections and impulse synapses between nerve cells. Biological tissue is just the substrate that currently supports our existence. Our consciousness isn't defined by the cells its substrate is made of. That's why the destruction of a sentient mind is so much more profound an event than cell death by itself.

>> No.3252636

>>3252628

FYI champ the brain isn't that simple. At least wait a decade or two before you pretend like you can explain qualia. A brain cannot be reconstructed by humans, and honestly (as a guy that is training to become a neurosurgeon), I don't think it will be possible any time soon.

>> No.3252641

Bitches don't know bout no singularity!

Also, it should not technically be called a "singularity" due to the fact that it cannot literally last forever...
at the very least an extremely large quantum fluctuation (which has an infinitesimal probability of occurrence) would eventually occur.. So there is most certainly and end to all life, it's just a matter of how far away that end is.

>> No.3252645

>>3252551
Okay, let's make a thought experiment.

Your brain cells are dying one by one. At which point you consider yourself as "dead"?

>> No.3252652

My reassurance is the fact that the universe is not me, and that I am not the universe. Everything I strive for will continue, taken on by the next generation.

>> No.3252657

>>3252636

I know we don't understand the brain. But the fact remains that my brain is not _me_. I'm just the consciousness that uses it as a substrate.

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>>3252628
Saying we aren't our bodies is like saying your mood wouldn't change if you lost your limbs.

Spent few days without eating or sleeping and tell me how the consciousness and identity thing goes.

I think we are our bodies, and nothing else, it's just our bodies let us develop some "complex" tasks

>> No.3252669

>>3252636
>implying there are qualias

>> No.3252673

>>3252324
>implying the conscious mind will be annihilated at death

>> No.3252679

>>3252657

Wow my bad I completely misread what you meant. It's strange because I actually completely agree with you, sorry for totally missing the point.

>> No.3252681

>>3252657
so you believe in mind body dualism right? that's crazy you know?

>> No.3252682

>Spent few days without eating or sleeping and tell me how the consciousness and identity thing goes.

That doesn't imply I am the body. It just means this substrate could be improved significantly, since it effects me. An ideal substrate wouldn't effect me in any way I don't want it to.

>> No.3252687

>>3252673
> implying death is not the destruction of mind

>> No.3252693

>>3252681
What's crazy about it? Personally, I subscribe more to realistic monism, but when you get down to it most of the distinction is semantic. I don't think there's anything crazy about dualism. It's less crazy than a mechanistic view of consciousness.

>> No.3252694

I had a pretty amazing out of body experience a few years ago. Even now every night I get that same 'sleep paralysis/vibration' combination, and just try to ignore it.

I know that the effects can be recreated by drugs, and that the 'Astral World' does not accurately resemble the real world, but I do believe that there is another dimension afterwards, or something. In those brief moments, it actually felt like I was feeling a reality that was actually realer than the reality we have right now. All anecdotal evidence, but I just wanted to share my experience.

>> No.3252695

>>3252682
Do you have any proofs behind your claims? Please prove that your "soul" can be separated from your body.

>> No.3252696

>>3252687
>implying it is

>> No.3252701

>>3252669

You're kidding me right? Of course there are qualias.

>> No.3252710

>>3252693
It's just an unnecessary assumption because you can perfectly explain how your mind works by physics, how matter interacts etc..

>> No.3252712

Scientific atheism is parochial scientism, and not science.

>> No.3252722

>>3252710

Actually, you can't explain the mind fully yet. That is just a stupid assumption that most people make without knowing jack shit about the mind. It's not as simple as everyone assumes it is.

>> No.3252732

>>3252701
Prove it.

Your experience doesn't have qualitative properties, that's why you can't describe it. Your experience just IS. For example, how could you describe the feeling of seeing the color "red" to the blind person by using the qualitative properties of your experience, not physical attributes? You can't, because there are no qualias. You can only distribute different colors from each other.

>> No.3252748

>>3252710
Wow. If you can do this -- explain consciousness via physics -- you are guaranteed a nobel prize, so go for it by all means.

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>>3252722
>And your opinion is any way different
>mfw

>> No.3252755

>>3252732
You're telling me I don't experience the color red in a different way than the color green? Either you're color blind or you are the epitome of modifying the data to fit your hypothesis.

>> No.3252774

>>3252732
>>3252755

Guys, are you sure you understand what colour is?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color

( I fucking hate when people use the blind person example, without understanding shit about how an eye-brain cooperation works)

>> No.3252786

>>3252748
Well, this is quite subjective, but I think the main parts are already solved, but there's still the uttermost details to be solved. I think the "hard problem of consciousness" is not a problem at all because I don't believe in qualias, and some famous experts on the field don't believe in them either. For example Daniel Dennett

read this http://ase.tufts.edu/cogstud/papers/quinqual.htm

>> No.3252792

>>3252752

You stated that we can perfectly explain how the mind works through physics. At this point, we cannot.

>> No.3252818

>>3252755
Of course you can, you can distinguish the colours from each other, but that's it, you can't describe them further. Green is just green, the feeling of seeing the color "green" doesn't have qualitative properties like I said. It's just a feeling, just light going through your eyebulb and processing in brain, there's nothing mystic in it.

>> No.3252822

>>3252818
So you DO experience the colour "red" differently from the colour "green", if you got it.

- >>3252818

>> No.3252825

>>3252324
Agreed. But there is more and it's kind of like one of those 'cyclical' life things. Not as 'negative' as yours, sorta.

I will add that your parts will decompose. Your bacteria will consume you from inside out. You will nourish them for the last time.

Your atoms will gravitate to whatever chemical processes lead them to turn to liquid, then gas, etc 'returning' back to the system you lived in in another form.

Your atoms, even those that formed your 'consciousness' perse, will be 'free' to roam where they have a propensity to roam. (I say roam freely but atoms do what they must depending on the circumstances).

Nothing is lost, even though everything is lost to you.

We are back to being part of the system that cradled us--the world of atoms and such.

>> No.3252830

>>3252818
Uh... that's what qualia is. It's a qualitative experience that is not in terms of anything else, and therefore can't be quantified further. It's something that is purely subjectively experienced.

>> No.3252836

>>3252786
Sorry, I don't have time to read the paper, but pretending consciousness and qualia don't actually exist is hardly an alternative to explaining how they work. It's certainly more absurd than dualism is.

>> No.3252841

You should read some Marcus Aurelius. Some serious strength for the soul in confronting death. The version with the white cover that's written much less articulately is the one to read, because it's closer to his original writing and easier to comprehend.

>> No.3252842

>>3252774
I have no idea what your point is. Yes, I know what color is.

>> No.3252850

If you will not "pass on" nor will you "rest in peace," then why give a fuck? There is no need to re-evaluate life priorities based on this premise.

>> No.3252859

>>3252324
The only real afterlife is within the children that you raise.

>> No.3252867

>>3252830
But it's hardly even an experience, there are just different light wavelengths. The feeling of seeing the colour red is in itself empty, you just associate it to other things and objects, things that you have met during your life that you have associated to the color "red". But the "red" itself is nothing, it's nothing even as a subjective experience. There is no subjective feeling, no qualia.

>> No.3252870

I accept that "I" am the thing that experiences reality and that the body is merely a conduit of information and a conduit of continued existence. But when discussing existence everyone must consider the limited scope of human knowledge. Remember that there is no definite truth in any shape or form to what will happen after we die. After I decompose and my consciousness can no longer be "supported" by the conventional means of life, I don't know what happens to me. I _could_ cease to exist entirely and at that point I would be nothing. But I could also transcend space and stars and be one with some God or something. I DON'T KNOW. And that is the thing you guys must consider, is that we have never died, and we have no verifiable, factual evidence for or against transcendence or complete annihilation.

As for the extension of life to support sentience and whatnot, I don't really care. It'd be cool if we could be immortal I guess, but I am rather doubtful that it's possible.

>> No.3252911

>>3252850
OP was saying a sort of "Carpe diem"

>> No.3252917
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Death ain't that good but it ain't that bad, either. It's really bad for the people left behind, though.

OP, why are you thinking so hard about something you won't be around to experience? It's like fearing anesthesia.

>> No.3252918

Every time I think about this, I get this horrible feeling.

All 'this' (i.e. your life, your consciousness, your reality) is, is a tiny micron of time... and then when it's over you will be unconscious FOREVER.

Obviously if you're not conscious, you can't care about it... but I'm still conscious now, so I can worry about it.

And the fact that life as I know it will soon stop, and nothing will ever happen again is fucking terrifying to me. NOTHING... WILL EVER HAPPEN AGAIN. This is everything.

>> No.3252927

Actually, OP, when you die you go back to where you were before you were and then you become a new life again, just like when you were a baby. The reason why you don't remember the first couple of years very welll is because that is the process in which your new body is accepting you.

So many idiots ITT.

>> No.3252936

>>3252378

nice plagiarism, bro

http://yudkowsky.net/other/yehuda

>> No.3252939

>>3252870
I don't think absence of knowledge gives us free card to fantasize about whatever we want.

Can yo say humans are controlled by pink ponies but its a secret no one can disprove because no one knows about it and there's no evidence against it?

Probably energy and particles in one form or another will remain, but I think Ockham helps a lot when we start talking with arguments such as "we don't know".

>> No.3252948

>>3252918
>And the fact that life as I know it will soon stop, and nothing will ever happen again is fucking terrifying to me. NOTHING... WILL EVER HAPPEN AGAIN. This is everything.
Don't be so self centered, faggot. A lot will happen even though you die, life doesn't cease to exist just because you die.

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>>3252918
Use this to support your claim and make it more depressing next time :D

Also, how can we say experiencing our lifetime is any different form living for eons, do you think your time perception would be the same on any scale?

>> No.3252961

We still don't know what happens for sure when you die.

Yes, biologically we know what happens but consciously no.

For all we know the conscience is energy which decides our characteristics and simply latches on to the brain using it as a tool. When the brain is dead the conscience moves on.

>> No.3252969

>>3252867
Different wavelengths of light are detected by different cones, and different cones trigger distinct qualia in the mind. "Color" is sometimes a shorthand for the different wavelengths, but in this context, it refers to the different qualia. For example, we experience yellow as a distinct qualia from red or green, although there is no distinct cone for it. This isn't the case with cyan, whose qualia is not distinct but just a bluish green or greenish blue. We don't experience yellow as a kind of green or a kind of red.

Saying these experiences don't exist is just denialism.

>> No.3252972

>you will cease to exist entirely

I disagree. I won't continue to live but 1 of two things will happen:

(1). We reach indefinite lifespan within my lifetime and I live forever
or
(2). My body is stored for medical research hopefully enabling option (1).

I will still very much be there if they store my parts adequately (not to revive me, but for science!)

>> No.3252973

>>3252948

Are you fucking retarded? He's obviously only talking from his point of view.

Holy shit your stupidity just lowered the IQ of everybody around you.

>> No.3252982

>>3252939
Ockham only helps distinguish between two equally explanatory theories. We don't have ANY detailed explanatory theories for the hard problem of consciousness.

>> No.3252989

>>3252969
Of course different wavelengths trigger different experiences of colour, because the input is different. Still, the subjective feeling is the same - empty.

>> No.3252995

>>3252989
Why do you call the subjective feeling empty. It does not feel empty to me. The pure experience of color can be very intense.

>> No.3252997

>>3252973
Well you're the faggot here. His point of view doesn't matter because he's not there. And the whole concept of "his point of view" is very vague and almost dualistic anyway.

>> No.3253004

>>3252995
That's because you associate it to other things you've met during your life, the colour itself doesn't mean anything.

>> No.3253010

.>>3252997

But in the context it wasn't.

Holy shit stop dumbing eveything down, l0s3r.

>> No.3253022

lol I AM NOT STUPIDER.

>> No.3253030

>>3253004
But that's not true. Color is an intense experience apart from any association.

>> No.3253031

>>3252961
>Fairies riding magnets everywhere

>>3252969
Neurological connections, equally structured in most humans, interpretations of chemical signals dammit.
If your organism couldn't perceive wavelengths on physical level and your brain didn't interpret those signals, you wouldn't know what brown is.
Consciousness is a massive wire of electrochemical reactions, and your attempts to separate is come form a long theological tradition.

Apparently all facts that lead to lack of "qualia", are physical.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTWmTJALe1w

>> No.3253033

>>3253010
You retarded piece of shit, think about what you're saying because what you're saying is not making any fucking sense. If "his point of view" doesn't generally mean anything, then it doesn't mean anything even in that context, you stupid idiot, go suck your mother's cock.

>> No.3253035

>>3252997

He's saying that he as a person will no longer continue and thus nothing will happen FOR HIM. That's what he means. He's not trying to be a douche.

>> No.3253041

>>3252961

Well the thing is is that I don't think that not knowing anything IS an excuse for making up whatever the fuck we want because, based on observation and experience we form "knowledge" and with that we can distinguish facts from falsities to the best of our ability, and if this knowledge leads to less suffering and negativity then I am all for it. Which means that you can't just adopt any perspective you feel like, you have to adopt the ones that are actually "right" to progress in humanity. I am just saying that there is no real way to know if our consciousness will continue on or be destroyed when we die. I am basically refuting OP's original precedent that we will _definitely_ be annihilated completely.

>> No.3253046

>>3253033

Seriously trying to troll and act dumb is just fucking retarded, you're not clever or big for doing it so shut the fuck up allready.

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>> No.3253071

>>3253046
Yeah but you're not even close to understanding anything. Yeah, he/she told it about his point of view, but he/she still said generally that ALL action and life will be ceased. I think it's just plain idiotism to ignore all the other sentient creatures who experience the world just like him/her. I even think that the experience is the same, every person feels that his/her life happens to HIM/HER. Kinda like a shared consciousness where there is no "my point of view" or "his point of view".

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>This is your daily reminder that one day, you will die. You will not "pass on", nor will you "rest in peace", your conscious mind will be annihilated and you will cease to exist entirely, in any shape, form or kind.
i'm aware of it and i'm OK with it
anyway the only reason why i feel uneasiness is because of my primal instincts
but if you really think about it it's not something scary

sometimes i even want it all to end fast so that i can really find "peace"
this happens when i start thinking big and i see that there no point in even thinking about anything
<your fav topic here> it really doesn't matter you're doing it just to please your instincts

i don't know if it's a depression that i have
but everything just seems uninteresting to me when i start to think like this
even science i do it just because of my curiosity
and in small part to know things and feel like something more than anyone else in the social group...
everything is just so pointless....
it really doesn't matter how the universe work
and it doesn't matter if my name will go in history
there is no point in anything we're just like insects trying to find patterns in everything trying to rationalize everything, breeding, fighting over land status and resources, dying even my post is me trying to share the information that i've obtained...

>> No.3253075

>>3253072
I know that feel bro

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>> No.3253105

>>3253075
so is this a depression bro?

>> No.3253121

You presume that your conscious mind exists at all. If it is merely the consequence of chemical reactions occuring in concert, your assertion is blatantly false. The matter and energy stored within my body will continue to exist, and will be reincorporated into new forms in the universe.

I will exist at least as long as the universe, if *I* can be said to exist at all.

>> No.3253130

>>3253072

Well if you bring life down to its crux it is a collection of stimulus and information, basically. And you, as a person, still feel FEELINGS. I would not want to spend my existence, as futile as it is, in a sort of disenchanted slump like this. Go out and feel good about life, and fuck mortality. It happens to the best of us, don't worry about it.

>> No.3253155

I've pondered this thought myself. Then I wonder - if given the premise that the Universe is infinite, and all of the possibilities that could happen will happen in this Universe...

Does that imply that my exact brain structure with memories of my life before the point where I died will exist in my mind? If so, why hasn't it happened already? Perhaps it would be too rare an occurrence for it to happen in my lifetime, or the Universe is too young, yet.

Either way, I hope these premises hold true, and that these unsupportable assertions are also true.

>> No.3253167

>>3253155
lol i had the same thought just a couple of minutes ago
but then i remembered that the cold rip will happen before this could occur
unless there is a way to spawn a new universe all over again

and still that leaves the Boltzman brain theory

>> No.3253172

>>3252948
>Don't be so self centered, faggot. A lot will happen even though you die, life doesn't cease to exist just because you die.
Yes but life that YOU experience ceases to exist. Which is all that matters to the individual, because it's the only thing they have. What comfort are other lives to a dead person?

>>3252952
I know it all depends on scale... but seeing as the 'experience' of death will be infinite, I use that as a comparison.
I can deal with how insignificant we are in the universe no problem, but trying to imagine not being unconscious forever makes me sad.

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>>3253155
google heat death

>> No.3253182

*yawn* Call me when you graduate high school, OP.

>> No.3253210

>>3253031
>Neurological connections, equally structured in most humans, interpretations of chemical signals dammit.
Lolwat? That's not even a sentence.
>If your organism couldn't perceive wavelengths on physical level and your brain didn't interpret those signals, you wouldn't know what brown is.
Uh, but it does. And so I do. So qualia exists.
>Consciousness is a massive wire of electrochemical reactions, and your attempts to separate is come form a long theological tradition.
Your attempt fully explain consciousness with electrochemical reaction fails so far. The attempt to do so comes from a very long materialistic tradition.

>Apparently all facts that lead to lack of "qualia", are physical.
This sentence doesn't make sense.

>> No.3253226

>>3252324
>your conscious mind will be annihilated and you will cease to exist entirely, in any shape, form or kind.

Pictures or it didn't happen.

>> No.3253234

>>3253031
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTWmTJALe1w
I watched the video you're getting all you're arguments from. The guy is an idiot. Find a better video to base your thoughts on.

>> No.3253278

I will not die as long as there is a universe. If there are infinite universes then my exact configuration (genetic and cultural/memetic) is bound to happen in one of those universes again.

Also i plan to simulate my brain in a computer and constantly upgrade my hardware.

>> No.3253281

>/sci/ - Philosophy & Homework

>> No.3253287

>>3252324
And in what way is not existing not peaceful? What with peacefulness being a lack of disturbance, and when you're not existing you're not doing a great deal of anything to get distracted from. Furthermore - why would my priorities be effected by impending doom? Not like I can do anything about it.

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>> No.3253317

>>3253278

I....I love you!

>> No.3253333

>>3253180
I am very aware of Universal Heat Death, but I've been under the impression that higher entropy can be created if low entropy is created elsewhere in the Universe. Since we have a light horizon, we do not know how far the Universe has expanded out to. Just leaves possibility open.

>> No.3253449

bump

>> No.3254669

hey op

you're so cool, dark, and edgy.

reported and sage

>> No.3254680

ITT: /sci/ is filled with emo, pseudo-intellectual teenagers that give nihilism and other such philosophies a bad name and act like dicks to everyone

wouldn't be surprised if you all end up becoming christians when you get older

LOSERS

>> No.3254706

>trying to feel superior to others who do not have children and therefore have not passed on their genes

horse pussy is better than human pussy
deal with it

>> No.3254713

>>3254680
>give nihilism a bad name
>implying nihilism wasn't invented to be wrong
>implying you know what you are talking about
Nihilism is derogatory. It cannot be given "a bad name" because it already is one.

>> No.3254719

>>3254713
guess what

>> No.3254803

>>3254680
>LOSERS

projection

>> No.3254815

>>3252324

do you ever wonder where conscious thought comes from? are you really THAT ignorant?