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3248615 No.3248615 [Reply] [Original]

God is the greatest being of which we can concieve

Greatest meaning most perfect

For something to be perfect, I believe it would have to have the quality of existance.

Therefore, (assuming god is perfect) god exists.

>> No.3248622

Define god's existence = perfection.

Define perfection includes existence.

Therefore God exists.

I see no circular reasoning here.

>> No.3248628

first, prove that God is perfect

>> No.3248629

> God is the greatest being of which we can conceive.
Who says God can't be perceived?

> For something to be perfect, I believe it would have to have the quality of existance [sic]
Why would perfection have to be of existence?

>> No.3248632

>>3248628
THIS, is assumed

>> No.3248644

>>3248629

well, think of it this way

You say you have a motorbike in your garage that can get up 100000 miles per hour in ten seconds, and it exists.

Your friend comes up to you and says that he has the same motorbike, except his doesn't exist.

Now I think we can agree which motorbike would be the better (or closer to being perfect) of the two

>> No.3248646

>>3248632
then you fail at logic. Also, circular reasonig

>> No.3248657

>>3248644
>Now I think we can agree which motorbike would be the better (or closer to being perfect) of the two

Better doesn't mean perfect in your example; plus, you're giving an example of relative perfection, not universal. We've not yet seen a universally perfect thing; because of this, it's senseless to even speak of such things.

>> No.3248675

>>3248644
The first thing I do when someone says "think of it like this" is not think of it like that.

>> No.3248687

Assume the sandwich in my hand is perfect. Therefore the sandwich in my hand exists. What the fuck??? where is my sandwich

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3248689

At least try and be original, OP.

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3248700

A perfect being cannot have desires because it is complete in itself, therefore God as a perfect being would have no reason to create the Universe. The Universe exists, therefore God cannot be.

>> No.3248702

Assume that for all problems for which a computer can verify a solution in polynomial time, a solution can also be found in polynomial time.

Therefore, P=NP. I'll take my million bucks now kthnx.

>> No.3248900

>>3248615

GOD IS REAL BECAUSE I IMAGINED HIM TO BE SUPER GREAT, YOU GUYS.

IF HE'S SO GREAT, THERE IS, LIKE, NO WAY THAT HE COULD NOT EXIST, 'CAUSE THAT WOULDN'T BE SUPER GREAT.

DID I MENTION THAT HE IS JUST SO SUPER SPECIAL AWESOME? I THINK THAT YOU CAN TAKE MY WORD FOR IT, I'M PROOF ENOUGH.

>> No.3249007

What if I challenge your definition of perfection?

I can conceive a being that is more perfect than any other. He possess every single favorable quality, even those that contradict each other. At the cost of being so perfect, the concept of this being has to sacrifice the quality of existence.

Therefore the most perfect conceivable being does not exist.

>> No.3249068

> assuming god is perfect god exists
> assuming god is god exists

>> No.3249950

I SURE LOVE SCIENCE AND MATH