/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.3247435]

For obvious reasons the various classes of animals are fundamentally very different although they can share many similarities on the surface.

The mammal skeleton for example, although it has taken so many forms, can never be confused with a fish or insect.

The problem I have with most pictures of aliens I see is that these creatures look superficially very strange and truly alien but they always seem to be modeled after the body plan of an animal class from earth (most either resemble mammal or insect body plans)

Aren't there some nice alien designs that take into account that this thing evolved from a different basis?

I will dump alien pics while I am waiting for responses. .

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[SAGEGOESINALLFIELDS No.3247454]

I think alien life will look quite similar to animals living on this planet, IF the parameters for life there are quite equal like those here.
Some of them would include atom distribution, temperature, type of atmosphere and gravity.

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let's get some aliums in here

[Anonymous No.3247470]

>>3247454

Yes. They will probably have eyes in the front which are located near their mouth and nose so they can see and smell what they eat etc.

Since we know that animals evolved the same "solutions" to the various challenges of surviving independently we can assume that on other planets such things will happen too.

BUT you can never get rid of the starting point. You can change it drastically but in evolution there can never be a total reset.

So this starting point will always be there - and I am just interested into seeing some of these that make sense but are different than those on earth.

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>>3247435
Arthur C. Clarke hypothesised in many of his works a potential for silicon based lifeforms. They usually resembled plants - apperance, metabolism, movements etc...

Interesting stuff I guess, I wouldn't know exactly how plausible his theories are though.

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[Anonymous No.3247484]

The laws of physics are the same over ther as they are over here, so convergent evolution will occur.

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>>3247454

Agree. The physics of quantum mechanics is present all over the universe, and thus life will follow some of the same geometrical/biological rules present on earth. Gravity, though, has a major effect on size of the organism. It was theorized that the dinosaurs grew so big because of the amount of oxygen available and the earth's gravity was so weak (something that had to do with the moon). Don't know too much about it so

inb4 harassment.

[Suck My Dick Nigger No.3247489]

Here some alien plants.

But legs in OP's pic are horse-like

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>>3247484

Yes of course.

Lets imagine that of some reason all mammals would disappear. All the free places will be filled by other animals and will start resembling them.

But just like Dolphins only resemble fish superficially those other animals that will take the mammals places can never get rid of their fundamental structure.

All I am saying is: It is unlikely that the same structures should happen to be the same everywhere in the universe (especially considering the variety we have on earth alone) so I am interested in seeing some other body structures that are different and could work.

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>>3247489
Middle top, nice perpetuum mobile.

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[Anonymous No.3247518]

It would be probable that any planet with conditions comparable to ours would have animals that look almost exactly like some of ours. The law of energy conservation works all over the universe, and the practicality of form is an essential part to natural selection. 3 billion years of that on this planet leads to animals that succeeded due to being the best designed. There would be similar examples on others.

Imagine visiting an alien planet and the only difference between an alien deer and an Earth deer is the shape of the ears.

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>>3247488

>earth's gravity was so weak

You dun derped.

But it's true about the oxygen content being much higher. That was also a factor in the six foot long insects.

[Anonymous No.3247534]

>>3247518
>Imagine visiting an alien planet and the only difference between an alien deer and an Earth deer is the shape of the ears.

That would be the moment when I would start considering some kind of ID.

I mean sure they can look superficially the same but actually the same skeleton, or even cells and DNA?

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>>3247534

They probably would look quite similar but not identical. Sharks look a lot like dolphins but have totally different internal systems. Likewise and alien deer would look basically like an Earth deer but have different biochemistry.

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>>3247568

I agree with you buddy. But what I am interested in is that difference in the fundamental structure.

Hasn't been there some designers or scientists or whatever who made up some speculative biology that looks promising?

[Anonymous No.3247609]

>>3247518

>3 billion years of that on this planet leads to animals that succeeded due to being the best designed

no

they succeeded because they were good enough. Not always the best. There's a number of flaws and problems in animals like the optic nerve creating a blind spot in the eye, and similar.

Note also that the majority of our sizable fauna is a) mamillian and b) tetrapod.

This is a product of the earth's climate and mass extinction events that allowed those particular classes/whatever to develop and come to the fore.

Natural selection will fill the same niches in the ecology (provided they exist) but there's no reason to say that they'll be filled with mamillian tetrapods rather than, say, insectiod tripods.

Note also- that what's best on earth here, may not be what's 'best' on planet hypotheticallia.

so tl;dr OP, most aliens resemble earth creatures because we have difficulty imagining what life forms other than the ones we know might look like.

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>>3247581

Just look at the machines we build for transportation and imagine it made out of something biomass-derived.

[SAGEGOESINALLFIELDS No.3247622]

>>3247581
I think you'll be dissapointed in regard to the science part of your question. Scientists don't really have the time or wish to speculate (unless they have evidence to speculate upon).
I don't think any biologist will be thinking of alternative working structures for an organism.
Also, this might interest you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_Jansen

[Anonymous No.3247644]

>>3247609
>most aliens resemble earth creatures because we have difficulty imagining what life forms other than the ones we know might look like.

Yes you are right. But surely somebody can come up with alternatives to mamillian tetrapods, mamillian tetrapods etc.?

I mean at the end of the day it is just inventing different ways for something to move around...that can't be that hard...or is it?

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>>3247534

I think nucleic acids like RNA will be somewhat universal because of how versatile and robust it is. RNA can encode genetic info, can be an enzyme without having to form a protein, etc.

I think the big difference will be the "power plants" of their cells. The chance of the endosymbiotic events like what happened here on Earth (once to get the mitochondrion and again to pick up the chloroplast) being similar are minuscule.

I can see life picking up multiple "external" origin organelles on a different planet before developing structure and complexity in body form.

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>>3247622
>wiki link

Indeed. But I already know him. That stuff is exactly what I am talking about. More like that.

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>>3247644

>I mean at the end of the day it is just inventing different ways for something to move around...that can't be that hard...or is it?

the artists who usually end up in these projects don't usually have the expertise of scientists at their disposal.

coz they've got more important work to do

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how about extremely light creatures that use hydrogen/helium sacks to float around. Or creatures that use solar sailing

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>>3247679

Some scientists used to think something like this could inhabit Jupiter's upper atmosphere.

[Anonymous No.3247707]

Also:

You probably know these fake documentaries where it is like a normal documentary but only they pretend like they are actually on an alien planet and describe the flora and fauna there.

How come these have always been TV productions? I want to see something like this will Jurassic Park/Avatar tier CGI and models!

Srsly don't most people want to imagine we actually made it to another planet and just explore the stuff there? I don't need a fucking love story, or stuff exploding - just explore the world for once!

Why hasn't that been made yet?

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>>3247707

tl;dr: I want to see a feature film that just explores an alien planet.

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>>3247707
what's the name of these documentaries?

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>>3247707
So you want the first book of the Coyote series turned into a movie?

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>>3247735

This for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_Planet

Can be watched here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3106679767514635043#

[Anonymous No.3247754]

I want a Mass Effect with the aliens that are posted in this thread, and they don't speak English and yet are still intelligent and have developed space travel, ability to use mass relays, etc

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[Anonymous No.3247765]

How about some more of Nemo's stuff? Before he decided to give up.

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>>3247765
2/8

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>>3247768
3/8

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>>3247754

Same here. I hate it when aliens just look like humans (typical Star Trek aliens).

Ok when it's a TV series you have to do this because otherwise it would be too expensive...but in a video game?

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>>3247776
4/8

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>>3247765
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>>3247776

Thanks. Haven't seen those yet.

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>>3247780
5/8

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>>3247784
Well, I think I'm the only one with them. I snagged a bunch of stuff off of his site before it went down. I mostly wanted the text.
6/8

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>>3247777
Mass Effect owns but there's basically no reason for it to be in space and have talking frogs and crickets and smurfs and shit. Thane could be this swarthy Persian dude who's dying of cancer and Tali is basically a space gypsy (nomadic ethnic minority that's accused of stealing things a lot)

Nice quads btw

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>>3247793
7/8

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>>3247808
8/8

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[Anonymous No.3247822]

Here's a bit more. Perhaps his most iconic creature in Snaiad.

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>>3247822
2/4

By the way, I love All Tomorrows. Mad props, dawg.

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>>3247830
3/4

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>>3247835
4/4

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>>3247849
Eh, what the hell. Have the rest of my prepared batch.
1/4

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>>3247856
2/4

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>>3247857
FUCK YER, Starcraft! Terran FTW.
3/4

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>>3247865
4/4
Aaaaaand done. That's all I care to make.

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>>3247868

Aaaaaand saved.

thanks!

If you haven't noticed: I collect these pics so I am always happy about fills.

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>>3247880
Well, here then. If you like Snaiad, you'll enjoy a bit more reading.

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Where is everyone?

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>>3247985

>Jungle light icy blue
>Cold forest dark green

I can't read this.

[Anonymous No.3248124]

you are now realizing that, any sentient species which evolves in a water and carbon based biosphere will have access to gasoline, natural gas, and coal.

every carbon/water sentient species in the universe has had to tackle global warming

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>>3248124

What about mary-sue aliens with spikes instead of dicks, like we've had in this thread.

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>>3248124
Well, most likely. Unless they don't figure out writing, in which case it's unlikely.

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>>3247747
First, let me just say that you're a gentleman and a scholar for providing that link. Second, here's a similar program about evolution:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH8Fdshn0MM

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>>3247889
Had this picture for ages. Didn't know there were more.

SAUCE PLX

[Anonymous No.3248493]

The limit of our imagination is mixing and matching elements from things that already exist. Like a unicorn, horns and horses both exist.

[Anonymous No.3248501]

I agree, OP.
If they evolve on a planet unlike ours, then they should be creatures unlike the ones found here.

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>>3248493
How did we come up with the idea of infinity?

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>>3248519
Infinity is a concept, not a thing, you can't draw it like an unicorn.

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>>3248461
http://www.alexries.com/

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>>3247747
Wow, haven't seen this in years.

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>>3247707

there are more that that alien planet one from the science channel?

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>>3247435
I would like them modeled to something that would look more like animals that evolved before the asteroid that knocked into earth and changed the environment here which took out the dinosaurs. I mean, what would life look like now if that little event hadn't happened I wonder?

I imagine that there are earth like places all over the place but that not the same kinds of things happened there (like I mentioned previously).

What if there are earths that are in various stages of our earth and beyond and they are in those states because 'circumstances' (for lack of better words) were different for them, for one reason or another?

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>>3247488
>because of the amount of oxygen available
Reasonable sounding.

>and the earth's gravity was so weak (something that had to do with the moon).
OMG WTF. You can't be serious, can you?

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