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Every mathematical theorem ever proven in the 2500 year history of mathematics is still valid today.

90% of the historically accepted theories in physics, chemistry, or biology that are more than 50 years old are discredited and forgotten today.

Math > all.

>> No.3243987

and then Gödel

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3244001

...but can it get you laid?

>> No.3244097

Isn't physics based on math and therefore math is crap. The math worked out for all their theories and was still wrong.

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>>3243987
It should be a /sci/ rule that any mention of Godel be followed with mfw

>> No.3244118

>>3244097
physics is not math, it just uses math.

math does discover reality, but not the kind that progresses inventions and empires

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>>3244118
>implying math is not an arbitration of some yet unknown system.

>> No.3244201

>>3244124
>implying you know what the word "arbitration" means

>> No.3244202

Math represents rules in a universe defined by the axioms you choose. What you prove in math is only true under those axioms, things that may or may not hold true in the universe at large.

It is the realm of Physics to determine what the axioms of nature actually are. Theories that no longer hold are replaced by those ever closer to the truth.

Put another way: Math describes a realm you imagine. Physics describes the realm you imagine in. Mathematicians are the engineers creating the tools we use in physics to understand the cosmos.

>> No.3244214

>>3244202
spoiler: math is outside the universe. Even God cannot know if the Continuum Hypothesis is true or false.

>> No.3244232

>>3244214
In the same way that the Lord of the Rings is outside the universe.

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ContinuumHypothesis.html
Change your axioms, and you can prove it.

>> No.3244240

>>3243976

Math is a tool, Science is a craft.

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>>3244214
>There is no set whose cardinality is strictly between that of the integers and that of the real numbers.

What about <span class="math">\mathbb{Z} \cup \{\pi\}[/spoiler]

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>>3244246
Same cardinality as Z

>> No.3244264

>>3244232
but then the physicists' quest for finding the ultimate laws of the universe is in vain since they change depending on what mathematical axioms you use

>> No.3244265

Yes, but only if they are considered culturally acceptable. Society > Math

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>>3244265

>> No.3244271

>>3244246
the real mind-bender is that N has the same cardinality as NxN

>> No.3244276

>>3244264
I can describe a brick as red.
I can describe a brick as rough.

It remains the same brick.

>> No.3244556

>>3244271
Not really.