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What do you think the next true moment in science will be? This could be anything from landing on Mars, or making first contact, or even maybe a cure for cancer or AIDS. It could be technological: Quantum computing, fission, thorium reactors (transhumanism if you're a faggot).

Pic related: whatever it is, it will probably happen in America.

>> No.3237169

>Pic related: whatever it is, it will probably happen in America.
im not from America, so there is a 0 chance of that.

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3237173

>Pic related: whatever it is, it will probably happen in America.

Russians are the world's smartest and you know it

>> No.3237178

whatever it is, they wont discover happiness

>> No.3237180

>>3237161
> fission

Wouldn't advances in fusion be more of a breakthrough?

>> No.3237177

OP here. It could be a mathematical discovery I suppose. But someone is going to have to enlighten me about any math problem that stands up against the examples I listed?

>> No.3237185

>>3237178
Truly wise words

>> No.3237186

>>3237173
>>3237169


aaaaah man.

>guaranteed_responses.jpg

i didn't even mean to do that.

>> No.3237187

inb4 singularity fags fag this thread up

>> No.3237189

>>3237177

Distribution of primes.

>> No.3237190

>>3237177
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsolved_problems_in_mathematics

also, implying a math breakthrough will have any relevance. not until its transpired through all the other disciplines

>> No.3237192

>>3237180

that's what I meant. i don't pay every much attention to the nuclear power debates, so i was pulling that out of my ass a bit.

>> No.3237194

OP, the way America is going, I seriously doubt the next breakthrough in science will happen with us.
Our scientists are too fat to actually make discoveries.

Now what may happen is America, along with another country (say China) will have a fallout of some kind (may be war, may be something else) and that's when both countries cooperate on the scientific level and discover something...

Or China will go to the moon and find clean unlimited energy (note: highly improbable)

>> No.3237199

>>3237190

>implying reading comprehension.

did you even look at my post?

>> No.3237202

>>3237192
as far as I understand it, fission splits atoms in a risky messy business that we've more or less nailed. fusion combines them but we haven't quite harnessed it economically. either advances in the science or businesses being willing to take early losses in return for predictable future gain would be a breakthrough.

>> No.3237205

>>3237199
Sorry, sir.

>> No.3237224

The academic and intellectual scene will overcome the project of postmodernity. It would have massive impact as it would not only shuffle up paradigms in scientific fields (as in where science is currently heading and what is being focused) as well as change what we regard as science. Whether one would see these changes as positive or negative, I'm only sure that science will, as usual, not be the same. Big time.

The "true moments in science" are not the individual discoveries, products or achievements; the watershed moment in science is always a shift in how we engage in "science".

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>>3237161

Proving the existence of God.

>> No.3237243

>>3237202
Stop being so pedantic its obvious he meant fusion.

>>3237161
As for Quantum Computing and Fusion, we can do them now. I think we can demonstrate both actually working. I know we've got fusion going, its incredibly difficult and only lasts I don't remember how long (a few seconds I think). We put more energy in than we get out slightly, but the idea is there. Same with Quantum Computing I think we've demonstrated some aspects of it? (Don't know any specifics but I've heard the term 'qubit' being thrown about). If not when we do know the theory of it, Physics admissions tutor here wrote a book on the subject.

How long until we have a functioning Quantum computor or Fusion reactor however noone could really say.

10 years?
100 years?

I think something might happen with carbon nanotubes or Graphene first. Or some other innovative material or electrical component will be devised.

>> No.3237247

Don"t listen to the cynics op
we've been the united is still the intellectual capital in the world by far.
In fact the Chinese claim that Chinese people educated in the us are more valuable because they make more breakthroughs

>> No.3237251

>>3237247
sorry for the typos
I'm typing through an iphone

>> No.3237272

first contact is a crap shoot, aside for the universe being very large there is nothing to suggest we are not alone.

>> No.3237278

quantum computing, fission and thorium reactors are already a reality.

>> No.3237292

>>3237194
Nope
The Chinese have absolutely NO imagination, innovative skills.
They just copy and improve American ideas, and products.
They kill all their creativity by studying for that stupid test to go to collage.
They have to be hand fed the means to do anything. which is why they will never lead the world in science or technology innovation.

>> No.3237294

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-Wave_Systems

>> No.3237298

>>3237292

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_inventions

>> No.3237328

>>3237298
I haven't read it but I can tell it's going to name gun powder and other simplistic things they discovered throughout their thousands of years they've been here

>> No.3237359

america? why there no disrespect but it's not exactly a bastion of knowledge and intelligence.
if anything it will come from europe, israel or japan.

>> No.3237364

These are all events in engineering, not science.

Except first contact, which is an act in the humanities.

>> No.3237372

>What do you think the next true moment in science will be?

I think it will most likely be biological, toward the path of what Aubrey De Grey talks about.

>> No.3238283

>>3237161
Cancer has been cured.

>> No.3238856

Definitely health technology.

Neolithic Revolution
Renaissance technology
British Agricultural Revolution
Industrial Revolution
Second Industrial Revolution
Atomic Age
Jet Age
Space Age
Information Age
Health Age

Within 100 years we'll have nano-tech, stem cell mastery and a complete human genome DNA effect cross reference database.

Many diseases that are very common today will simply be gone. Diabetes in children, AIDS and most likely Alzheimers.

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3238916

It will be in robotics, and it will come from Japan. The robots will not be industrial manufacturers. They will be useful to people in their homes for cooking, cleaning, sex and caring for the sick, elderly and disabled.

>> No.3238923

>>3237161
What the fuck are you talking about OP? There are true moments in science every year that nobody ever reports on.

>> No.3238966

>>3238916

you have no idea what you're talking about. we still have trouble making robots that can kick a soccer ball. we're at least a century away from what you're talking about.

>>3238923

there is a difference between discovering the equation that predicts quasar fluctuations or some such bullshit, and the invention of the light bulb. i'm referring to something as momentous as the latter.

>> No.3238971

>>3238966
>implying the invention of the light bulb is science.

Fuck off, and also learn the different between science and engineering.

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3238981

>>3238916
>>3238916
>japan
>accomplishing anything significant
no

weaboo

>> No.3238985

>>3238971
engineering is just applied science. Science allows for Engineering to change the world.

>> No.3238988

>>3238971

hmmmmm...i'll bet you have never studied engineering. it's a funny thing about hard scientists. they think that engineers do engineering, and scientists study science. any engineer worth there salt will have studied chemistry, physics and maybe even biology/neuroscience with significant depth. the scientific method is used in engineering. engineers use concept designs and simulations the same way scientists use hypothesis and experiments.

also the OP states that "It could be technological" you dickhead.

>> No.3238996

>>3238988
>Blahblahblah ENGINEERS R BETTR THN SCIENTISTS, WHORE.

I'm an engineer and I want to agree, but that doesn't make engineering the same thing as science.

>> No.3239004

The emergence of strong AI

>> No.3239006

>>3238996

nope. not what I said at all. you're opinions are worthless when you purposefully display ignorance of what you're responding too.

>> No.3239017

moment rue next the think you do what.

>> No.3239025

>>3239017
>moment *true next the think you do what

>> No.3239027

Nothing. We've invented everything already. Only more advanced iPods will be made.

>> No.3239037

>>3238988
>>3239006
Let's break it down, then!

>hmmmmm...i'll bet you have never studied engineering.
Wrong and irrelevant to the discussion.
>it's a funny thing about hard scientists. they think that engineers do engineering, and scientists study science.
Not necessarily true, not relevant to the discussion.
>any engineer worth there salt will have studied chemistry, physics and maybe even biology/neuroscience with significant depth.
True, but who the fuck cares? We're talking about scientific discoveries.

>the scientific method is used in engineering. engineers use concept designs and simulations the same way scientists use hypothesis and experiments.

Great, but an engineering always uses pre-discovered science. If it's not pre-discovered science, then it's research and real science, not engineering.

The next great moment in science will be "nobody knows," because new scientific discoveries are just as oddball and out of place as the last.

However, the next great moment in engineering will be Quantum computers.

>> No.3239039

Trolling will become a science. Where we only pretend to actually not invent something.

>> No.3239053

>>3238966

not true, maybe trouble playing a sanctioned game of soccer, following all rules, being aware of players and tactics, etc, but robots can most certainly be made to kick a soccer ball without issue.

also play ping pong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CR5y8qZf0Y&feature=related

and demonstrate hand dexterity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KxjVlaLBmk

>> No.3239107

>>3239037

those things are relevant to the discussion, because you made it about engineering not being science. you're right, they weren't relevant to the discussion, but neither are any of your posts.

and all research science is based on, or uses, already discovered science. to say otherwise would mean that every phd candidate has to reinvent the wheel, so to speak, to get research off the ground.

>> No.3239111

>>3239039

>implying the ruling elite doesn't already have technology far beyond what the public already knows and they don't just release it in a very predictable way so as to make things like Moore's Law appear valid in order to maintain a cycle of disposable consumption.

>> No.3239179

>China is better at science than the US

I had 6 transfer students from China in my physics class last semester. All they knew how to do was punch numbers into a calculator and memorize formulas.

Our professor made developing an intuition for physics and being able to come up with creative solutions to complex problems the main emphases of the course the transfer students didn't have a fucking clue what to do most of the time.

>> No.3239247

>>3239179

US is obviously better than china because you have a personal anecdote that you put up on the internet, also
>all they knew how to do was.

and
complex problems
>foreign language

I wonder what would make them not have a clue because, with the master grasp you have of the english language, you would obviously be able to solve complex problems written in chinese in your first semester as a transfer student in a foreign land.

>> No.3239273

It's going to be RT-superconductors that will cause a shift in modern science. Better devices mean more elaborate experiments.

>> No.3239295

>>3237224

Ohai fellow Kuhnian-fag

>> No.3239327

>next true moment in science

wat.

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3239364

The next big moment in science can be recognized by the overwhelming opposition to the new theory, the lengths to which scientists in academia and research go to suppress and possibly the attempted murder of the person with the new theory or discovery.

Inb4 Galileo

>> No.3242291

>>3237161
Posting to dislodge religion thread from front page

>> No.3242306

>>3237161
>landing on mars
>in america
derp

>> No.3242321

>in america
>thorium
HAHAHA no. with this administration and populace? China's going to crack it first

;__;

>> No.3242340

I'm hoping for transhumanism because I'm a faggot.