/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.3222247]

I'm looking to go into a major that will combine math and science and physics. I have equal interest in all 3.

I hope to make discoveries that will pave the way for finding (or if I'm lucky I will find) new energy sources (fusion perhaps).

What should I major in?

[Anonymous No.3222263]

condensed matter physics

[Anonymous No.3222271]

physics

[Anonymous No.3222278]

material science

[Anonymous No.3222285]

>I hope to make discoveries that will pave the way for finding (or if I'm lucky I will find) new energy sources (fusion perhaps).

Yes, well. You won't. You'll work in the same shit desk job like the rest of us, make slightly above average wage which will be negated by your student debt and spend the next 50 years of your life slaving away. When your children go to university you will insist; no, demand, that they do the same course you did because it served you so well. You will achieve absolutely nothing throughout your unspectacular career as this is a fact of life and if you were capable of a tenth of the things you dream of achieving you wouldn't be on /sci/ asking for advice about academia.

And the cycle will continue.

[Anonymous No.3222292]

>>3222285
don't discourage the guy, it's true he has almost 0% chance of discovering something major by himself, however if he does go into physics and research, then he will work with a team of scientists (~20 people) and they as a team can make huge discoveries.

[Anonymous No.3222291]

>>3222271
>>3222263

not many jobs..

>>3222285
>>3222285
who took a shit in you breakfast?

[Anonymous No.3222308]

>>3222292
I know the chances of making huge discoveries are slim to none, but there are many teams of researchers out there that make small discoveries and it's those that count, they all add up, progress is slow. It's not like one day someone makes 1 huge discovery and everything is changed forever.

[Anonymous No.3222310]

Going to borrow this thread.

Rising senior here and I have no idea what I want to do. I've taken the highest level math and science offered in my county, but I'm just awful at English. I have no idea what I want to major in. Can someone point me in the right direction?

[Anonymous No.3222312]

>>3222291
>>3222292

I've worked for years in industry, mainly with alternative energy sources and specifically diesel fuels.

I'm not saying don't go to university, but be prepared for a glorified desk job at the end of it - even with a first class degree in a top subject. You won't be given the resources or the time to discover anything new in the first 20 years of your career if you plan on going into energy.

What, you think BP (in my case) is going to pay me extra money to completely shaft their entire business base by discovering alternative energy sources?

Derp.

[Anonymous No.3222320]

>>3222312
Hmm.
Maybe not.

well.. forget what i said in my OP

I like math and science and physicsy stuff.

What should I major in i'm so fucking lost!

[Anonymous No.3222322]

> major that will combine math and science and physics

physics is science
maths is physics
take physics at a good university

[Anonymous No.3222327]

>>3222320

Do what everyone else does in your case.

Mech Eng. It's the go to course for people like yourself. It's a fairly decent degree and you can easily branch into something else whilst you're still at university and specialise.

[Anonymous No.3222345]

>>3222327
Well fuck that's what I wanted to do in the first place before I picked up "Physics of the Future" and started coming to /sci/

fml

[Anonymous No.3222349]

>>3222322
Can I do that?
Can I just get a major in plain old "Physics"?

[Anonymous No.3222357]

Also, I appreciate you guys that are taking the time to help out.

[Anonymous No.3222369]

>>3222349

If you're a little girl. Real men major in ultraphysics.

[Anonymous No.3222402]

>>3222369
I mean what jobs do they do?

[Anonymous No.3222431]

>>3222402

God knows. I'm related to someone who did Nuclear Engineering and ended up working in Blockbuster for 15 years.

Getting a degree in something does not set you to that career for life. I live next to a top (and I mean at the very top) private banker who got his degree in Classics.

If you live in a country with a large manufacturing industry Physics is a good landing to have there. But really, what you study isn't *that* important. Who you know, where you went to study it and how well you did at it are much more important.

[Anonymous No.3222517]

>>3222247
Chem E.

[Anonymous No.3222869]

>>3222431
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.3222875]

>>3222517
Sounds lovely. That might be the major I shoot for.

[Anonymous No.3222904]

I would say major in physics. Unless you really like abstract mathematics, which you won't see as much in undergraduate physics, then you will get all of the applied math you can handle and some good theory from physics alone. If you want to get a good job, try to find something to augment your major like a specific engineering discipline or something with computers.

Remember that most universities won't make you declare a major right away, so take a few intro-level classes for specific fields to see what you like. Good luck.

[Anonymous No.3222913]

>>3222247
Bitches and Whores dont know about my dual major in Applied Mathematics and Physics

[Anonymous No.3222924]

>>3222913
you mean engineering?

[Anonymous No.3222930]

>>3222904
Thanks, theres just so many different majors out there I really can't choose.

[Anonymous No.3223530]

>>3223528
But it is here supposed that, the law of the force being
given, the magnitude of the force acting at any instant depends
on the position, at that instant of the body on which it acts.
If, however, the magnitude of the force should depend not on
the position of the body at the instant of the force's action, but
on its position at some time preceding that action, the theorem
that we have stated would no longer be true. It might happen
that, every time that the body returned to the same position, its
velocity would be less than at the preceding time : in this case
the body's motion would ultimately be destroyed. On the con~
traty it might happen, that the body's velocity in any position
would be more rapid every time than the time previous. In
this case the velocity would go on perpetually increasing : or the
velocity might be made uniform if the machine were retarded
by some constantly acting resistance, or, in other words, the
machine might move with uniform velocity, and might at the
same time 'do work' which is commonly understood to be the
meaning of the term perperual motion. If the machine had no
work to do, the increasiong friction, &c. would operate as an in~
creasing work, and the velocity would be would be accelerated till the ac~
celeration caused by the forces was equal to the retardation caused
by the friction : after which it would remain unaltered.

[Anonymous No.3223528]

XVI. On certain Conditions under which a Perpetual Motion is posible

By GEORGE BIDDELL AIRY, M.A.
member of the atsronomical society, fellow of trinity college, and of the
cambridge philosophical society, and plomian professor of astronomy
and experimental philosophy, in the university of cambridge

[Read Dec. 14, 1829.]

It is well known that perpetual motion is not possible with
any laws of force with which we are acquainted. The impos~
sibility depends on the integrability per se of the expression
Xdx + Ydy - Zdz and as in all the forces of which we have
an accurate knowledge this expression is a complete differential.
it follows that perpetual motion is incompatible with those forces.

[Anonymous No.3223551]

>>3223530
what would you do with such a discovery ?
what do you think has been happening to those who make such breakthroughs in the past ?

[Anonymous No.3223562]

ENGINEERING BRAH

FUCK DA HATERS. EEs MAKE MORE MONEY THAN ALL THESE SCIENCE FAGS COMBINED.

[Anonymous No.3223565]

Perpetual motion machine ideas are so retarded it almost makes the Ancient Aliens thread look palatable to me by comparison to this one.

purpetual motion that does work cannot onto conservation of energy

[Anonymous No.3223584]

>>3223551
people are so resistant to any realization that they are being deceived as to the nature of energy
ask yourselves, who would first need to be deceived if such a public deception was to succeed?
academic society would have to be deceived for the peversion of truth to be possible
public opinion would have to be turned to that of a 'kneejerk' reaction to laugh at any such effort, no matter how genuine or legitimate
the public media venues used to accomplish this would also have to be caused to conspire toward enhancing reports of accounts that are worthy of riducle and deminishing any knowledge at all of credible accounts

[Anonymous No.3223618]

>>3223565
you really think you hold proof?
you are the joke
you are a parrot
you cant really think clearly on the matter
if you could you could see the obvious gap in the claim that this is not possible
your catagorical dismissal of this subject is to someones benifit
i could hand to you the interior of besslers wheel in this small space offered for a text post

for me it is not the breakthrough that is the point here
OP, supposing you surpass the wonderful forcast for your future seen as possible by your supposed peers; what then?
you wont be the first to do so

[Anonymous No.3223635]

>>3223618
what then?
capitalize on it?

[Anonymous No.3223668]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwYsgWGkGHM

the few examples in this video are but a drop in the bucket
many many men have been crushed under the wheels of the progress of the metered sale of energy by the worlds elite
even such matters as shape the world have been guided by these parties intrests
but no.. for some, the slight and dogmatic soundbyte that insures all that this can not be done need no further investigation; for thay have been told by the all knowing and there is no truth beyond the knowledge they have had delivered unto them

really... i bet you argue in religion threads too

[Anonymous No.3223670]

>>3222312
Thats because you work for an oil company. It you worked for a company that specializes in developing alternative energy then things would be different.

[Anonymous No.3223678]

>>3223618
>>3223584
It's kind of funny how in /sci/ the preferred method of trolling is being as dumb as possible. It's remarkable how creative you guys get at being retarded.

[Anonymous No.3223723]

>>3223635
you ask a fine question
do you really think the powers that already profit from the control of this information are intrested in sharing their wonderful position of profit?
not to mention the glee with which they gloat at the ignorance that they sight as justification for their continued supression of the informationaly deficient

[Anonymous No.3223733]

physics is a science and physics is just applied mathematics so yeah... physics
>>3223668
look out illuminati's gonna get you

[Anonymous No.3223734]

>>3223723
Oh shut up, If I make the discovery I'll get paid.

[Anonymous No.3223737]

>>3223733
What about biophysics?
Is that straying too far away?

[Anonymous No.3223739]

gj op realizing that physics isnt science

[Anonymous No.3223741]

>>3223739
Well shit.

[Anonymous No.3223761]

You know whats sad. I know how to make $ I know the answers. But I won't tell you because then everyone will do it and I won't have any for myself

[Anonymous No.3223772]

ps I don't gloat, more like feel bad that there aren't as many resources and we can't all share them.

[Anonymous No.3223786]

>>3223678
funny part is..
i am not trolling
i really can show you how to build a wheel that has a continual motion ( besslers design )
really its caused by the spring and the moment of time purchased by the shifting of weight as described in the paper by airy
people really dont seem to care
either they belive already but want to discover it for themselves or they have sold their soul for a corperate position and will go with the party line even in the face of evidence to the contrary

also
i personally know someone who has two of these wheels shown in the pic
both are newer designs than shown here
before they were removed from the public during the violence of the 1920s they could be found in many rual areas
google 'buzzsaw gravity wheel' or go to tineye.com for more info on it as i really cba
i never got to see the hammer part but i get how it worked
he said his grandfather had sawed lumber with it for 60 years before the spring became too deformed to let the device run without jamming very frequently

[Anonymous No.3223810]

Right you can go fuck yourself MR. perpetual motion guy. Everyone knows friction stops geometrical gravity designs.

[Anonymous No.3223847]

>>3223810
...
you really will have to have it spelled out for you
and you will have done nothing to deserve to have this explained for you

everyone knows...
everyone
so if the truth is contrary to the population sample you have decided is 'everyone' then the truth dosent matter
because everyone says so

you are tentativly confirmed as briggs-myers personality type E***

learn to intuitivly think for yourself and perceive the truth on your own

[Anonymous No.3223893]

>>3223810
and how are you with geometircal designs?
the average result of tests i have taken through the years has been to finish early with 100% and also to site errors made in the design of the tests

my first time sitting in a flightschool simulator had the result of persons commenting "das ist unmoglich!!" when the weather setting was turned to 40/40

in addition to infering you not being able to think for yourself i will venture a guess that you are not my equal on this matter

[Anonymous No.3223892]

lol wrong

[Anonymous No.3223910]

Perpetual motion. You have one more chance prove it now. Write it out here no linking.

[Anonymous No.3223990]

>>3223910
read what airy wrote

read the historical account of bessler

his design is simple

i wont hand it to you complete

i will tell you a few peices to compliment the existing data that may cause you to see the method for yourself (though this is highly unlikely but is entirely up to you and your apptitude for spatial perception)


his design consists of eight equal structures, each single structure has less than 12 moving parts

the 'perpetual cycle' would occure if only one of these were in place

once in motion it pulls on the spring twice each revolution but releases its stored energy only once
conversly, the weights switch places once each revolution (i.e. two revolutions of the wheel for a weight to return to its point of origin)

just fyi.. im aware of the cost of the attempt to get this under my control ( if i sell my house i might prefer to buy a boat and set sail on the pacific )

i gave a full decription to a person employed as a physicist (govt. employee; reactor inspections etc.) and was told "you really need to do something with this!!"

[Anonymous No.3224105]

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8242.0
if you care to bother you can see that i did not make much of a fuss about this when i first decided to offer awareness of my success

i had actually been reading "Das Triumphirende Perpetuum Mobile"
pic is of the page that has the names of those who were involved in the inspection of the device
looking to their biographies i eventually found the last peice i had not been able to discern through research, insight, and intuition

[Anonymous No.3224115]

>Ph.D. in mathematics
>Any job you want
>$300k starting

[Anonymous No.3224307]

>>3224115
if i get it under my control i wont even consider letting it partialy out of my control for less than 11,000,000,000usd
i feel confident i could be earning this much anually within 10 years if i was left to my own efforts so long as i enter into the scenario presenting myself as simply another 'clean' energy provider with no effort to disclose the nature of the production process
what occures to me however is that it is so absurdly simple it seems imposible that no one else has beaten me to it
if this is the case i would benifit more from simply using the device for my own personal benifit in a discrete a manner as posible without revealing that i have it
pic related

[Anonymous No.3224334]

How can this board has so brilliant people and some so-easy-to-troll-it's-not-even-funny idiots ?

Anyway, just to answer to:
>>3222310 My advice would be to spend a year in an english speaking country. You will acquire the language which will open many doors.

OP, don't let people like >>3222285 scare you. If you want to do something, just try to do it. If you don't try you will never know if you could have accomplished something. The scientist I'm working with this summer used to be a little above average student and he was recently nominated for physics nobel prize.

[Anonymous No.3224338]

>>3224307
>11,000,000,000usd
>i feel confident i could be earning this much anually within 10 years
looks like you have a game plan

[Anonymous No.3224417]

>>3224338
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ3juM6vHwg
In 1996, Stan Meyer gave oral testimony before the court demonstrating the WFC Fuel Cell "Mode of Operability" by using the Voltage Intensifier Circuit (VIC) to produce voltage of opposite polarity to separate and disassociate the water molecule into its component gases, hydrogen & oxygen. However, the court audio sound recording equipment seemed to malfunction and was switched off. Judge Corzine said proceedings should continue without it. This was a violation of judicial protocol, since the recording system is used to verify testimony given during the trial and as such becomes "Evidence of Records." After his oral testimony, Stan expected Attorney/Judge Hurley to start bringing forth WFC witnesses and counter arguments. Instead, Attorney/Judge Hurley spoke up, stated he had to leave for a pre-planned vacation and said that there was no more testimony to be given and waived the right of the defendant to give a case summary of the WFC facts brought before the court. Stan Meyer immediately stated he would protest and Judge Corzine ended the hearing. Stan wrote a "Request to Retract" fax-letter to the Sunday Times on 2 December 1996. He attached WFC documentation on the filing with the Disciplinary Counsel. He further stated that Judge Corzine had no right to turn off the court audio sound recording equipment, nor to rule against U.S. Patents, or overrule Government and University lab reports in the public domain concerning the mode of operability of the WFC Technology. Furthermore, Stan pointed out that no US Federal "Cease and Desist" order has ever been issued against WFC since the WFC Technology has been fully legalized under US Patent Security Law 35 USC 101 and other US Federal regulatory Acts. His final statement was that "WFC is here to stay" in contradiction to the Sunday Times statement.

[Anonymous No.3224486]

>>3224417
stan meyer was offered 2,000,000,000 to shut up and walk away
i think i know what i am up against
i have no reluctance to dying for this if need be
i think i have a better understanding of the 'powers that be' (as the result of direct personal experience) than meyer did
meyer died from food poisoning the day after signing his rights over for the benifit of a research effort to be undertaken by the military/industrial complex
it goes without saying that i would accept 2,000,000,000 in lieu of being caused to die without pay

on a seperate note..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrxfMz2eDME
anyone know how this project is doing in the wake of the earthquake/tsunami?

[Anonymous No.3224494]

>>3224486
>>3224417
>Stan Meyer
>Water fuel cell

The same one that produces 3 times more energy than it consumes?

[Anonymous No.3224502]

>>3224417
>It works with salt water

[Anonymous No.3224554]

>>3224494
why do you ask what you seem to already know?
my efforts to comprehend what he was doing differently from other similar efforts boil down to a matter of efficiency
if i understand it correctly;
he was using a property of fluid dynamics to create a region around his rods where the already converted gases were acting as a catylist to assist in further conversion thus speeding up the process considerably

[Anonymous No.3224561]

I am one of the powers that be.

[Anonymous No.3224574]

>>3224417
electrolysis is 19th century technology, and it obeys the 1st law of thermodynamics, which means you need to put energy in to get hydrogen

Seriously, this is middle school level science, you're a retard.

[Anonymous No.3224585]

>>3224561

[Anonymous No.3224590]

>>3224574
Yes, but burning the hydrogen produces more force at a higher efficiency than benzine. It costs less, because gasoline is an inefficient fuel, even in a gasoline engine.

[Anonymous No.3224592]

i fucking hate the internet

people are either trolling, or are actually fucktarded conspiracy theorists

[Anonymous No.3224608]

i fucking hate the internet

people are either trolling, or are actually fucktarded conspiracy theorists

[Anonymous No.3224623]

>>3224574
the HHO gas has some unusual properties
look into it so you dont seem to be such an ass in the face of knowledge beyond your experience

[Anonymous No.3224655]

>>3224623
>hho
lmfao

[Anonymous No.3224668]

>>3224592
>>3224608

Lets say you use a gasoline engine to power an electric generator that powers the separation of the hydrogen from the oxygen to fuel the engine. It's still a more energy efficient setup than using a straight gasoline engine. You get more power at a reduced expenditure.

[Anonymous No.3224704]

You choose a non shit tier university.

Take Physics. If you chose well it'll be flexible with your optional modules and you can take some pure Maths ones or whatever grabs your interest.

Alternatively just go for Theoretical Physics if you think you're definitely gonna enjoy the Maths more and not miss out on the labs and things.

[Anonymous No.3224740]

>>3224592
>>3224608
then too there are derptards who belive in only two possible entities present in the whole of the internet
>people are either trolling, or are actually fucktarded conspiracy theorists

the theory that there exists no 'conspiracy' is less substantiated than even some of the most readily disproven theories of the presence of conspiracies
this 'no conspiracy' theory has as its basis the presumed absence of evidence that it then invalidates by merit of its own self established declairation
but assuming you are neither a conspiracy theorist nor, antithetically, a non-conspiracy theorist your vision for potential leaves but one possibility

[Anonymous No.3224748]

Chemistry with a minor in physics and a focus on materials science.

[Anonymous No.3224759]

>>3224704
Durham, top uni in UK for Physics, apparently (or was a few years back).
One completely first year module. No other optional modules outside of Physics. 3 modules (1/2 year) maths, mandatory.

Totally worth it, mind.

PS: The most important thing you should do right now is make sure your calculus is up to scratch.

[Anonymous No.3224761]

Oh, the other thing: you could consider doing Natural Sciences. It's essentially a 'choose your own path through the science courses' option.

[Anonymous No.3224777]

>>3224655
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyhydrogen

[Anonymous No.3224877]

oxyhydrogen does not produce more energy than the energy required for the electrolysis. Merely, it converts the electrical energy into thermal energy allowing for a combustable material more suited for combustion engines, NOT as a source of energy for the required electrolysis. And no, thermodynamic processes cannot access zero-point energy. Aslo the gravity wheel or well or whatever you wanna call it can not and does not work. The torque will always be balanced. Also I don't buy into the conspiracies of a coverup.

[Anonymous No.3224889]

>>3222291
Not many jobs? Are you serious?

Math and physics PhDs are among the highest in demand postgraduates in industry.

[Anonymous No.3224896]

>>3224115
Those sorts of figures were true 5 years ago before the credit crunch. Certainly, PhD students would get offers of $200k to go into quant finance but those days are over.

[Anonymous No.3225075]

>>3224334
thanks.

[Anonymous No.3225202]

>>3222247
aerospace engineering.

[Anonymous No.3226075]

>>3223761
>>3223772
to what extent have you tested your 'theory'?
my point is, if you have only theory you should give the matter its due dilligence

>>3224877
-your first three sentences make it clear you have not done enough research into meyer to have an opinion.
-your second two sentences make it clear you have not comprehended what George Airy is saying in
>>3223528
and, most importantly,
>>3223530
Airy is credited with establishing Greenwich Mean Time.
it is a sad thing that the knowing must beg the unknowing to give him a few moments of precious time to comprehend his mathimatical point.
-your final sentence seems to assert that, although already down two out of three, somehow, your personal evaluation has some bearing on the potential truth or invalidity of the matter.

[Anonymous No.3228434]

did i miss something?

[Anonymous No.3228842]

Thanks to all the people who actually stayed on topic and helped out.

I'll look into everything you all recommended and do a bit more research.

[Anonymous No.3229685]

>>3224592
>mad?

[Anonymous No.3231447]

[Anonymous No.3233359]

>>3231447
lol

[Anonymous No.3234119]

A Japanese venture company, Genepax, has unveiled a car on that runs on water. All it requires is a litre of water. In fact, any kind of water to be exact, whether its river, rain, sea water, or even Japanese tea. Its an electric powered car that runs solely on hydrogen dioxide.
"The main characteristic of this car is that no external input is needed. The car will continue to run as long as you have a bottle of water inside for you to add from time to time," said Kiyoshi Hirasawa, Chief Executive Officer of Genepax, after he proudly announced the company's invention.
Once water is poured into the water tank at the back of the car, the newly invented energy generator takes out the hydrogen from the water, releases electrons and finally generates electrical power.
"We highly recommend our system since it does not require you to build up an infrastructure to recharge your batteries, which is usually the case for most electric cars," said Hirasawa, who is hoping to advertise the car in time for the upcoming G8 Summit in Hokkaido, Japan.
According to the company, 1 liter of water keeps the car running for about an hour with a speed of 80 kilometers or 50 miles an hour. The company has applied for a patent and is hoping to collaborate with Japanese automobile manufacturers to mass manufacture their invention in the very near future. As fuel prices continue rising and people look for greener alternatives, companies globally are trying to come up with alternatives.

Details:
http://www.genepax.co.jp/
http://www.genepax.co.jp/en/

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=e86772b84fc1f6d47d5b09fa64f1d8b2......

http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20080613/153276/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrxfMz2eDME
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuOp_9U3UeI

[Anonymous No.3234158]

>>3223786
>>3223990
>>3234119

http://xkcd.com/808/

[Anonymous No.3234159]

>>3234119
"Unfortunately," Mr. Hirasawa explained, "it does not have very good acceleration, and you do have to refill the glasses once the birds can no longer wet their beaks."

[Anonymous No.3234175]

>>3234159
I lol'd.

[Anonymous No.3234297]

a cartoon?
i could go into detail on any point sited in it so ill just adress the first
the largest diamond mine in the world..
sits in canada
unusual events surounding its discovery
female with ink still wet on her geology degree seal
set out on expedition in canada
begged and borrowed herself deeply into debt
ran out of funds nearing the alloted time permited by the legal red tape
most of her crew packed up and went home
she, almost alone, continued until the last few hours of the legaly permited dig time
during which she uncovered what she was looking for

its being done

just like all knowledge of truth; it ain't for everyone

http://www.monroeinstitute.org/

[Anonymous No.3234319]

>>3234297

A cartoon written by someone much smarter than you., given that you can't even hold down the shift key when you type "i".

Woohoo, diamonds. Compressed carbon, not very rare, and priced high only because the debeers company has a near monopoly and good cultural marketing.