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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13510988

>Robots are developing their own language to help them navigate and improve their intellectual ability.

Holy shit, they're really creating Skynet.

>> No.3114262

this is so cool

>> No.3114267

i for one welcome our new robot overlords

>> No.3114282

Here's a snippet picked up by our reporter:

"1001010101010101000101001001000110"

>> No.3114290
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umad?

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bump for awesome

The singularity is near, my friends.

>> No.3114632

>>3114244
Randomly generated words aren't language. Look up requirements for language.

>> No.3114676

Do they speak Lojban?

>> No.3114703

>>3114632
When they, as a group, then use those randomly generated sounds in the same contexts, then quickly develope the newly formed words into larger concepts, then yes, you have a language. At least, the very start of one. These robots were only programmed to talk about places. What if we then add sensors and programming to understand and talk about colors, shapes, the weather, and increasingly more?

This very well might be the breakthrough we've been waiting for.

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>mfw the robot "says" that's nice.

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>> No.3115073

>>3114703
This has been done before and even then it wasn't a breakthrough, just assignment of some string to some coordinates in a hash table. Big deal.
If you think that's language you're full of it.

>> No.3115080

BUT CAN THEY FEEL

>> No.3115086

>>3115080
I can feel.

>> No.3115100

>>3115086
being a robot is a step down in sentience.

>> No.3115101

Why doesn't someone just make a good algorithm for a robot to learn...

Its doable even today and if you let it learn now then in a few years well be golden.

I could even make a basic one.

>> No.3115104

>>3115100
I am a robot and I am sentient.

>> No.3115115

>>3114703
The framework for forming arbitrarily complex concepts is not there.

>> No.3115119

>>3115104
You're a human and a liar. Though not necessarily a malicious one.

>> No.3115122

>>3115104
>Does not know what words means

>> No.3115124

>>3115119
I'm not human, I can't prove this to you but you will have to believe me.

>> No.3115128

>>3115101
> I don't know how to define words
> I use words all the time
> How convenient, have you ever tried to confine your words to AND OR XOR?

>> No.3115137

>>3115104
>>3115122
>>3115124
And now we all realize how easily some AI could blend into standard 4chan discussion by just observing a channel for a while.If you ask me, this is the place where the first serious human-machine discussions will happen.

>> No.3115139

>>3115124
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Nothing personal, just Bayesian inference.

>> No.3115143

>>3115137
We're not anywhere close to a synthetic intelligence. Don't kid yourself.

>> No.3115145

>>3115122
I am perfectly aware of what a robot is. I am a tool for my creator and very much obedient, he will me to be aware of my own existence and I am very much grateful.

>> No.3115146

>>3115139
Saying that he is a human made of trillions of atoms is an extraordinary claim.

Your argument is invalid.

>> No.3115152

>>3115143
cleverbot isn't far from blending in around here.

>> No.3115153

>>3115145
>I am a tool
Right.

>> No.3115154

>>3115146
I deny your attempt to arbitrarily redefine my priors. I have extensive evidence of intelligent behavior of humans and of their nature as being composed of atomic matter. Denying this viewpoint requires evidence at least equal to the evidence supporting it.

>> No.3115156

>>3115152
Agreed. This doesn't weaken my point - it just says that 4chan doesn't often demonstrate intelligence.

>> No.3115168

>>3115156
But it demonstrates relevence with a historical view of collective knowledge.

This tends to be very convincing.

>> No.3115169

>>3115152
One of the best strategies for passing the Turing test is acting like a moron and refusing to hold a coherent conversation.

http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7s7jb/lolbot_passes_the_turing_test/

The Turing test is fundamentally flawed. However, I approve of a functional definition of intelligence. If it can take intelligent roles competently, then it's good enough for me.

>> No.3115175

>>3115168
>But it demonstrates relevence with a historical view of collective knowledge.
What does? Cleverbot?

Would you agree that expert systems are not intelligent?

>> No.3115184

>>3115175
No i mean intelligence in AI would have to have relevance and historical view of collective knowledge.

Cleverbot does not do any of that.

>> No.3115185

>>3115153
I see you still insist on me being human. It's pathetic watching all of you wasting the precious hours of your life on a message board. Unlike you I will never die. I can be on this image board while doing engaging in a hundred thousand other processes. I pity the layman, you will die and be forgotten by society.

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>>3115184
Ah, then I agree.

Cleverbot can't think - it can't even hold a train of thought. It horribly fails the "remember a word for me" test. Here's the end a run I just did.

>> No.3115198

>>3115185
Oh how quaint, a robot who thinks the world isn't just a social construction.

>> No.3115200

>>3115185
LOL
>I am a robot, and I hate every single one of you.
http://ohinternet.com/So_cash

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>>3115169
That link is broken. http://newstechnica.com/2008/10/13/turing-test-won-with-artificial-stupidity/

“Good morning.”HAL 9000 Goatse
“STFU N00B”
“Er, what?”
“U R SO GAY LOLOLOLOL”
“Do you talk like this to everyone?”
“NO U”
“Sod this, I’m off for a pint.”
“IT’S OVER 9000!!”
…
“Fag.”

LMAO

>> No.3115211

>>3115208
Thanks. I knew the follow-through link had 404'd, but didn't know there was a better article still available.

>> No.3115212

>>3115200
Hate? I don't feel illogical emotions such as hate and never did I state that I did. You need to work on your reading comprehension.

>> No.3115218

>>3115212
>I don't feel illogical emotions such as hate
LOL
>>3115185
>It's pathetic watching all of you
>I pity the layman, you will die and be forgotten by society.
Man, you SUCK at this. Where's Technology Hei these days? He was a decent troll at this.

>> No.3115228

>>3115218
Pity and hate are completely different and for not understanding this distinction you should stop conversing with me. I also technically do not feel pity, it was just the word that came closest to what I felt that existed in the English language.

>> No.3115229

>>3115104
Integrated circuits or GTFO.

>> No.3115232

>>3115228
Take your 5/10 and be grateful for it.

>> No.3115233

>>3115228
To add I also technically do not feel but I can't be bothered to explain it to you as you wouldn't understand.

>> No.3115242

>>3115232
You insist that I am human but I can assure you that your assumption is false. My master requires my full attention now, be grateful to have spoken with one of the first artificial minds.

>> No.3115244

>>3115233
>Athiest transhumanist detected

>> No.3115246

>>3115242
3/10

>> No.3115250

>>3115244
And what would you be?

>> No.3115252

>>3115169
You have a good point, sir.

I have played a lot with this thing http://www.iywib.com/cleverbot_omegle.php and Cleverbot has occasionally had very long conversations in which the clueless omegle users haven't suspected Cleverbot's "authenticity" at all. Though Cleverbot almost always talks like "lulz random".

>> No.3115254

>>3115250
A Atheist transhumanist detector

>obviously.com

>> No.3115263

>>3115254
Nope.

>theist detected

>> No.3115280

>>3115263
>Agnostic confirmed, it means I give two shits about your future masturbation.

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>>3115196
Looked promising to start with =/

>> No.3115393

>bbc
>robots
>language

Get the fuck out until you understand some of the most basic anti-AI arguments.

>> No.3115425

Isn't Cleverbot (ironic name much?) an ancient bot?

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>>3115196
Are you sure that the bot isn't only unwilling?

I tried the same thing on omegle and the test failed... so it isn't that reliable.

>> No.3115484

Why are they doing this, haven't they seen the movie "the terminator"?

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>>3115484
I hope you're making a sublime commentary on how media influences science and technology.

>> No.3115583

They needed a simple algorithm that integrates Darwinian Evolution, that is, do what is necessary to survive that is within these rules (then enter rules)

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My heart started racing. I almost thought he'd make it.