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3014086 No.3014086 [Reply] [Original]

Don't believe in ghosts? Enjoy being an idiot.

energy doesn't die, faggots.

>> No.3014090

Reported. Go back to >>>/x/

>> No.3014101

bump

>>3014090
if you know anything about energy you'd agree

>> No.3014108

>>3014101
Yeah, just stop.

>> No.3014116

>>3014108
>I dont know what I'm talking about I'll claim the higher ground


You sound like a religious cunt trying to disprove an non believer. 'just stop talking about bla bla'

no.

>> No.3014130
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>> No.3014126

Energy doesn't die.

You're not made of energy. You're matter with some energy sparks flitting back and forth.

That energy doesn't die. It dissipates and becomes meaningless static.

>> No.3014136

>>3014116
More like
>I'm a faggot who believes in ghosts despite the lack of evidence
>Call anyone who knows I am retarded ignorant

>> No.3014137

what happens after we die

>> No.3014157

Consiousness isn't an energy. It's most likely an emergent property of our neural network.

>> No.3014159

>>3014126
OP was talking about psychic energy, not electrical energy.

>> No.3014173

>>3014126
There is different sorts of energy, not just science energy. Explain how consciousness works. Oh wait you can't.

Anyway not /sci/, so sage.

>> No.3014179

>>3014159
Oh, then OPs a faggot. And quit bumping this. >>3014173
Hur, we don't know how it works, that means my idea is right!

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>>3014173
>science energy

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>>3014173

If it's not "science energy", then what evidence do you have that it is applicable to conservation of energy? It could very well be energy that legitimately "dies".

MAGIC WORKS BOTH WAYS, YOU LOWLY DOG!

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>>3014179
You're right, there is absolutely no evidence to support what I'm saying.

Oh wait, yes there is.

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http://www.quantumjumping.com/

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http://www.thesteedzone.com/Mystical.htm

Look beyond the dogma you've prescribed too. Of course if you only look in science journals, you are only going to get information about science, not history and certainly not what is beyond science. The proof is freely available to you.

>> No.3014212

>>3014202

Use that same technique on a potato and then we'll talk. For all I know it's some simple lens flare.

>> No.3014213

>>3014202
>photograph as evidence
I fucking hate you for being so stupid

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>>3014202
>>3014211

Provide proof that this energy is subscript to CONSERVATION.

Without evidence, there is no reason to put forth the hypothesis that it does not DIE.

>> No.3014230

>>3014173
>There is different sorts of energy, not just science energy.

Whatever. Just don't tell the engineers or they'll build a power station out of it.

>> No.3014237

>>3014230
I think we already have power stations that run on stupidity.

They are called churches.

>> No.3014240

>>3014227
I'm not OP though. I never claimed it doesn't die. But I'm just saying how close minded you all can be sometimes.

>> No.3014246

>>3014157
>calls consciousness a property
>all my hate

>> No.3014254

>>3014181
>mfw actually a good point in a two-way trollfest

>> No.3014253

>>3014240
We aren't being closed minded, you just need to provide evidence.

There is a scale between absolute faith and absolute doubt. The balance between the two is key. That balance demands that we have evidence before believing anything.

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>>3014211
And to elaborate, even some of the greatest scientists support this belief. Pic related.

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But I do believe in them

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>>3014206
>quantumjumping

Is this legit... it's based in Quantum Mechanics??

>> No.3014259

>>3014246

What are you, a retard?

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>>3014237

>> No.3014275

There are people in this world who apply EVERYTHING to EVERYTHING

They hear a fancy new word on TV, have no fucking clue what it actually is but remember a few (totally false) basics about it.

These are the kinds of people who try to explain psychic bullshit and "healing abilities" of homeopathic placebo with "quantum physics" and whenever they run out of stuff to recite they just add something new, like how unethical it is to make tomatoes in square shape and how "very recent scientific discoveries have proven" that radiation actually makes your balls shrink and we should rather use FYUSHUN technology because it spreads all the energy through your living room with perfect allignment of furniture according to feng shui and your healing stones

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>>3014202
HOLY SHIT

>> No.3014287

>>3014246
Liars are gonna use buzz words to fool the gullible masses. Just remember that somewhere someone is making money off of this bullshit. It's actually rather brilliant.

>> No.3014291

>>3014275
>rearrange room
>everything feels better due to placebo effect
>OMG, IT ACTUALLY WORKS!
>takeallofmymoney.jpg

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>>3014291
>Having surgery
>Pray to God
>Surgeon saves your life
>Proof of God

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>>3014275
Obligatory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAOy9PZd_tQ

>> No.3014320

>>3014306
CHALLENGE ACCEPTED

>> No.3014332

>>3014306
Wow. Just wow. I've heard a lot of bullshit in my life, but holy damn.

I've stood through 45 minute interviews with creationists, but this is the first video to make my stomach turn around the second she started talking about "EINSTEEEEIN"

>> No.3014335

>>3014306

>E=mc^2
>mass is close to 0
>E=0*c^2
>E=c^2
>I vomit blood

>> No.3014341

>>3014306
I can't really express what I feel right now, but this is pretty close to it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w6aqFIXsvU

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>>3014306

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>>3014306
What the fuck did I just watch

>> No.3014355

>>3014306
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtMO-omeo5s

>> No.3014361

>>3014335
Haven't seen it in ages, but I'm pretty sure the squared was dropped almost immediately. Wasn't it closer to:

>E=mc^2
>mass is close to 0
>E=0*c
>E=c

She didn't even bullshit a reason to get rid of the ^2

>> No.3014372

>>3014361
Because then energy would be in units of velocity and that makes no sense.

>> No.3014377

>>3014372
velocity squared I mean

>> No.3014385

>>3014361

It's commonly held that sqrt(E) = E.

Therefore she just did sqrt(E) = sqrt(c^2)

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>>3014385
>It's commonly held that sqrt(E) = E.

Apparently so.

>> No.3014398

STOP BUMPING THIS THREAD. OF COURSE OP IS A FUCKING DUMBASS TROLL, GHOSTS DON'T FUCKING EXIST AND IT'S OBVIOUS TO ANYONE WHO ISN'T A FUCKING RETARD. DON'T EVEN WASTE YOUR BREATH TALKING TO SOMEONE WHO IS SO RETARDED THAT THEY BELIEVE IN GHOSTS. AT THE VERY LEAST THIS ISN'T VIDEO GAME RELATED. STOP BUMPING THIS THREAD. THIS IS THE EXACT REASON WHY WE GET SO MANY OFF TOPIC THREADS; YOU FAGS ALWAYS BUMP THEM. EVERY GOD DAMN FUCKING TIME. JUST.STOP.REPLYING.

>> No.3014405

>>3014398
>videogame related

>> No.3014407

>>3014398
Prove they don't exist.

>> No.3014418

>>3014407
Prove they do.

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>>3014306
>People actually believe this
>Use correct science
>People won't believe it
>ok.jpg

>> No.3014424

>>3014407

he doesn't have to until you prove they do.

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>>3014418
The fact is you can't prove they don't exist either, so both beliefs are justified.

That's the difference between science and other things. Science closes itself off to everything else, quite ignorantly. It's a great tool for things we can measure but you need other systems to learn and discover phenomena that aren't science. Stick to atoms and genetics, and let others stick to discovering in their field.

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>>3014407
>>3014432

>PROVE THEY DON'T EXIST

OH SHIT NIGGER YOU JUST DEVIL'S PROOFED UP IN THIS BITCH

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>>3014450

HACHACHACHA

DEVIL'S PROOF
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PROVE A NEGATIVE FACT

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>>3014453

THE BURDEN OF PROOF DOES NOT LIE WITH THE PERSON OBJECTING TO THE CLAIM, IT LIES WITH THE PERSON MAKING THE CLAIM

REVERSING THIS BURDEN IS MAKING AN IMPOSSIBLE CHALLENGE

>> No.3014465

>>3014453
That's not true. It's proven that sq root of x = 2 is not a rational number.

What he's saying is that science closes out anything that doesn't have proof because it can't test (falsify) it. But remember, the scientific method isn't the almighty in the sky, it's just a bullshit detector.

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>>3014459
And here's he flaw: That's just your philosophy, not mine. You can't say "this is how everything should be done because I said so!"

>> No.3014468

>>3014432

You are an idiot. If something cannot be proven to exist or have any effect on the world, then what is the point of trying to study it? Anything that is "paranormal" is either nonexistant or not actually paranormal.

Every mystery ever solved has turned out to be NOT magic.

>> No.3014470

>>3014432
>The fact is you can't prove they don't exist either, so both beliefs are justified.

No, here's the thing.

Two worlds:

World A: Ghosts exist. They can be shown to exist.

World B: Ghosts do not exist. They cannot be shown to exist.

We live in one of these worlds. If ghosts exist they can be shown to exist. If ghosts cannot be shown to exist then they may as well {not exist.}

>> No.3014477

>>3014470
except they can be shown to exist, just not through science. Go indulge in some of the new age techniques and you'll soon be changing your mind. The fact is you won't.

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>>3014465

HACHACHA, NO IT DOESN'T

VIS-A-VIS DEVIL'S PROOF, I SAY YOU'RE WRONG BECAUSE I USED MAGIC

>>3014467

NO YOU DON'T GET IT
YOU ARE MAKING THE STARTING POINT WHICH NEEDS ITS OWN EVIDENCE
EVERYTHING ELSE IS A NULLITY, YOU MUST PROVE YOUR OWN CLAIM FIRST INSTEAD OF JUST DISCLAIMING ALL PREVIOUS CLAIMS

>> No.3014480

>>3014467

haha you sound like a six year old kid who's backed himself into a corner.

>> No.3014483

>>3014477

if they could be shown to exist then they would be a part of science. You don't really get how science works do you?

>> No.3014484

>>3014478
>>3014480
Resorting to "hurr your a child" is infinitely more childish then presenting an argument.

>> No.3014489

>>3014484
>implying thats not exactly what you're trying to do with that statement.

>> No.3014490

>>3014450
>>3014453
>>3014459
>>3014478

What an obnoxious faggot. Start using a trip so I can block you.

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>>3014484

NO, YOU STILL DON'T GET IT

BRING IT DOWN, DESTROY EVERYTHING IN YOUR MIND, REVERSE IT TO ZERO

NO OTHER CLAIMS ARE BEING MADE

NOW, MAKE YOUR CLAIM AND PROVE IT

THAT IS WHAT THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ABOUT

>> No.3014495

>>3014490

as annoying as he is, he's completely right about this.

>> No.3014504

>>3014495
He is. But that was a given the moment OP used the word ghosts. I was happy ignoring this thread until I saw those posts.

>> No.3014507

>>>/sci/Seacats_poster_makes_wonderful_points

>> No.3014512

>>3014507
Wait, fuck. that only works with /rs/

>>>/rs/Seacats+poster+makes+wonderful+points

>> No.3014513

>>3014504
Get the 4chan firefox (assuming you use it) addon. You can hide threads. It's useful.

>> No.3014516

>>3014513
Already have it.

OPs thread was just not bothering me so little that I was happy to scroll straight past it. Thanks though.

>> No.3014639

LOL BUMP

>> No.3014767 [DELETED] 

FAG BUTTS

>> No.3014776

Oh my god, stop bumping this thread and deleting your posts

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3014781

Genuine question. If a ghost/God appeared before you, would you still all ignore it because it's outside science?

>> No.3014811

>>3014781
if a ghost or god appeared before me it would cease to be outside the realm of science and become observed phenomena.

>> No.3014813

>>3014811
So you are part religious?

>> No.3014823

STOP BUMPING THIS THREAD. OF COURSE OP IS A FUCKING DUMBASS TROLL, GHOSTS DON'T FUCKING EXIST AND IT'S OBVIOUS TO ANYONE WHO ISN'T A FUCKING RETARD. DON'T EVEN WASTE YOUR BREATH TALKING TO SOMEONE WHO IS SO RETARDED THAT THEY BELIEVE IN GHOSTS. AT THE VERY LEAST THIS ISN'T VIDEO GAME RELATED. STOP BUMPING THIS THREAD. THIS IS THE EXACT REASON WHY WE GET SO MANY OFF TOPIC THREADS; YOU FAGS ALWAYS BUMP THEM. EVERY GOD DAMN FUCKING TIME. JUST.STOP.REPLYING.

STOP BUMPING THIS THREAD. OF COURSE OP IS A FUCKING DUMBASS TROLL, GHOSTS DON'T FUCKING EXIST AND IT'S OBVIOUS TO ANYONE WHO ISN'T A FUCKING RETARD. DON'T EVEN WASTE YOUR BREATH TALKING TO SOMEONE WHO IS SO RETARDED THAT THEY BELIEVE IN GHOSTS. AT THE VERY LEAST THIS ISN'T VIDEO GAME RELATED. STOP BUMPING THIS THREAD. THIS IS THE EXACT REASON WHY WE GET SO MANY OFF TOPIC THREADS; YOU FAGS ALWAYS BUMP THEM. EVERY GOD DAMN FUCKING TIME. JUST.STOP.REPLYING.

STOP BUMPING THIS THREAD. OF COURSE OP IS A FUCKING DUMBASS TROLL, GHOSTS DON'T FUCKING EXIST AND IT'S OBVIOUS TO ANYONE WHO ISN'T A FUCKING RETARD. DON'T EVEN WASTE YOUR BREATH TALKING TO SOMEONE WHO IS SO RETARDED THAT THEY BELIEVE IN GHOSTS. AT THE VERY LEAST THIS ISN'T VIDEO GAME RELATED. STOP BUMPING THIS THREAD. THIS IS THE EXACT REASON WHY WE GET SO MANY OFF TOPIC THREADS; YOU FAGS ALWAYS BUMP THEM. EVERY GOD DAMN FUCKING TIME. JUST.STOP.REPLYING.

>> No.3014825

STOP BUMPING THIS THREAD. OF COURSE OP IS A FUCKING DUMBASS TROLL, GHOSTS DON'T FUCKING EXIST AND IT'S OBVIOUS TO ANYONE WHO ISN'T A FUCKING RETARD. DON'T EVEN WASTE YOUR BREATH TALKING TO SOMEONE WHO IS SO RETARDED THAT THEY BELIEVE IN GHOSTS. AT THE VERY LEAST THIS ISN'T VIDEO GAME RELATED. STOP BUMPING THIS THREAD. THIS IS THE EXACT REASON WHY WE GET SO MANY OFF TOPIC THREADS; YOU FAGS ALWAYS BUMP THEM. EVERY GOD DAMN FUCKING TIME. JUST.STOP.REPLYING.

STOP BUMPING THIS THREAD. OF COURSE OP IS A FUCKING DUMBASS TROLL, GHOSTS DON'T FUCKING EXIST AND IT'S OBVIOUS TO ANYONE WHO ISN'T A FUCKING RETARD. DON'T EVEN WASTE YOUR BREATH TALKING TO SOMEONE WHO IS SO RETARDED THAT THEY BELIEVE IN GHOSTS. AT THE VERY LEAST THIS ISN'T VIDEO GAME RELATED. STOP BUMPING THIS THREAD. THIS IS THE EXACT REASON WHY WE GET SO MANY OFF TOPIC THREADS; YOU FAGS ALWAYS BUMP THEM. EVERY GOD DAMN FUCKING TIME. JUST.STOP.REPLYING.

STOP BUMPING THIS THREAD. OF COURSE OP IS A FUCKING DUMBASS TROLL, GHOSTS DON'T FUCKING EXIST AND IT'S OBVIOUS TO ANYONE WHO ISN'T A FUCKING RETARD. DON'T EVEN WASTE YOUR BREATH TALKING TO SOMEONE WHO IS SO RETARDED THAT THEY BELIEVE IN GHOSTS. AT THE VERY LEAST THIS ISN'T VIDEO GAME RELATED. STOP BUMPING THIS THREAD. THIS IS THE EXACT REASON WHY WE GET SO MANY OFF TOPIC THREADS; YOU FAGS ALWAYS BUMP THEM. EVERY GOD DAMN FUCKING TIME. JUST.STOP.REPLYING.

STOP BUMPING THIS THREAD. OF COURSE OP IS A FUCKING DUMBASS TROLL, GHOSTS DON'T FUCKING EXIST AND IT'S OBVIOUS TO ANYONE WHO ISN'T A FUCKING RETARD. DON'T EVEN WASTE YOUR BREATH TALKING TO SOMEONE WHO IS SO RETARDED THAT THEY BELIEVE IN GHOSTS. AT THE VERY LEAST THIS ISN'T VIDEO GAME RELATED. STOP BUMPING THIS THREAD. THIS IS THE EXACT REASON WHY WE GET SO MANY OFF TOPIC THREADS; YOU FAGS ALWAYS BUMP THEM. EVERY GOD DAMN FUCKING TIME. JUST.STOP.REPLYING.

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>>3014825
>>3014823
>Saging on /sci/

>> No.3014848

>>3014813
That is not what he said at all.