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Anonymous Wed Apr 27 01:03:42 2011 No.2955679 [Reply] [Original]

Hey Canadafags, I have a question.

why the balls don't we vote for the Commu nist Party of Canada?

Can you imagine how well a first world country, with tons of natural resources, would do with a comm unist government? It would be revolutionary. It just sucks they didn't get a majority of seats in the house of commons... I'm not surprised. Com munism is misunderstood, and has a bad reputation.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 01:07:42 2011 No.2955696 you want USA to come home and beat you again then lock you in the basement until you've learned your lesson? do you really want that?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 01:12:42 2011 No.2955718 >>2955696 After a few years or communism, our military would be much more powerful than america's.

>>	Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. Wed Apr 27 01:13:42 2011 No.2955728 >>2955696 Like this poster has just shown, Canada cannot take any meaningful step to that type of governmental or social system as they'd be whipped hard by the US.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 01:13:42 2011 No.2955725 ^^ of*

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 01:14:42 2011 No.2955733 >>2955718 yeah okay.. 300mil ppl in the USA 34mil ppl in canada USA would sit on you.

Anonymous Wed Apr 27 01:18:42 2011 No.2955752

>>2955733

Good point, but not everyone US is in the military. With a communist Canada, serving the army would be mandatory. (for around 5 years)

Plus, why would US fight us. We wouldn't attack them. We'd just stop exporting our resources and become pretty much self sufficient. That's no reason to start a war.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 01:21:42 2011 No.2955761 >>2955752 >Plus, why would US fight us. McCarthyism never died. In fact, it flared up recently due to a mulatto President being elected and tea party/birther types freaking the fuck out.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 01:21:42 2011 No.2955764 >>2955752 >>Implying they need a reason to start a war

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 01:23:42 2011 No.2955779 >>2955761 Yeah... freaking McCarthyism is ruining my plans.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 01:24:42 2011 No.2955785 > Canada goes communist > US goes to war with Canada Am I the only one that would turncoat so fucking hard if this actually happened?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 01:25:42 2011 No.2955790 File: 162 KB, 615x1021, counterfeitcandidatecover.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] America.jpg

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 01:28:42 2011 No.2955798 Take a look at the polls OP. We might never get a Commie government, but the Social Democrats are rising fast.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 01:28:42 2011 No.2955799 File: 7 KB, 242x67, logo-en.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 01:30:42 2011 No.2955804 >>2955785 And are you Canadian or American?

Anonymous Wed Apr 27 01:30:42 2011 No.2955805

The term "first world" originated during the red scare, and defined wealthy, capitalist nations as the first world. Communists were second world, and those not involved in the cold war were the third world. If Canada becomes Communist, it's technically no longer a first world country.
Grammar nazi-ing aside, Communism, fuck yeah! However, my votes on France for moving toward marxism first. The left party of its two-party system is the French Socialist Party, i.e. they're taken seriously there.

>>	HolyRoman !YRVuxzOI1U Wed Apr 27 01:36:42 2011 No.2955813 >>2955752 >Good point, but not everyone US is in the military. With a communist Canada, serving the army would be mandatory. (for around 5 years) I thought communism was all about freedom (freedom from having to work etc)?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 01:36:42 2011 No.2955811 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_Red

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 01:37:42 2011 No.2955814 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_Scheme_No._1 >>2955804 America

>>	Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. Wed Apr 27 01:39:42 2011 No.2955823 File: 18 KB, 499x298, cascadianfalg.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Glorious communist Cascadia What say you, /sci/

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 01:39:42 2011 No.2955825 >>2955679 >Communism is misunderstood Maybe, but that doesn't mean it works out for a country whose claim to fame is "selling natural resources to capitalist countries to pretend like you have a stable economy."

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 01:39:42 2011 No.2955829 >>2955799 lol omg anonymous would love this party.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 01:40:42 2011 No.2955834 welfare, free food, and no private land is all bullshit. that type of communism will never work. a resource and science based economy is what you want.

Anonymous Wed Apr 27 01:41:42 2011 No.2955836

The term "first world" originated during the red scare, and defined wealthy, capitalist nations as the first world. Communists were second world, and those not involved in the cold war were the third world. If Canada becomes Communist, it's technically no longer a first world country.
Grammar nazi-ing aside, Communism, fuck yeah! However, my money is on France for moving toward marxism first. The left party of its two-party system is the French Socialist Party, i.e. they're taken seriously there.

Anonymous Wed Apr 27 01:45:42 2011 No.2955849

>>2955799
lol pirate party, yes, anonymous would like the goal of the party actually, I think.
Protecting every Canadian's right to privacy.

>>2955813

Everyone is equal in Communism, but not necessarily free to do anything they want. The government controls most living conditions.

>>	Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. Wed Apr 27 01:45:42 2011 No.2955855 File: 19 KB, 285x243, 1286326894346.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2955834 >a resource and science based economy is what you want.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 01:45:42 2011 No.2955856 Because men are not robots, greed and jealousy keep communism from working. Theoretically, it may be Utopian. In reality, I doubt it would work.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 01:46:42 2011 No.2955859 >>2955785 I'm already expatriating as soon as I'm within my power to do so, so no, you're not alone. Do governments generally require citizenship for scientists to qualify for grants?

Anonymous Wed Apr 27 01:46:42 2011 No.2955861

>>2955799
lol pirate party, yes, anonymous would like the goal of the party actually, I think.
Protecting every Canadian's right to privacy.

>>2955813

Everyone is equal in Communism, but not necessarily free to do anything they want. The government controls most living conditions.
>>2955825
>>2955825

Anonymous Wed Apr 27 01:49:42 2011 No.2955874

>>2955856
anything can work. its just a matter of setting up incentives properly.

the only difference between capitalism and communism is incentives.

unfourtunelty both of them are extremely sub-optimal solutions, but with computer modeling and neuroscience you could set up a system of incentives that would be better at everything.

Anonymous Wed Apr 27 01:50:42 2011 No.2955877

>>2955834

Hey man, If I was running a communist country, the only jobs I would let people choose from would be science, academic, and research jobs.

People would eventually just build robots to do all the other crap.

Dumb people can go to the military, if knowledge isn;t their thing

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 01:53:42 2011 No.2955896 >>2955877 What if a guy takes pleasure from menial labor? What if a janitor actually enjoys being a janitor more than being a nuclear physicist? What right does the government have to deny an innocent person happiness?

Anonymous Wed Apr 27 01:57:42 2011 No.2955913

>>2955896

Every right.

There will be virtual simulation video games for every job possible. If someone likes being a janitor rather than the given jobs he can play the video game in his free time at the military.

Actually. Screw him. He disrespects science. He dies.

I'm creating the Academic Fascist Party of Canada.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 01:57:42 2011 No.2955914 I just spent four years getting an engineering degree so I could make a high wage. If somebody fucks with that I will rape heir face.

Anonymous Wed Apr 27 02:02:42 2011 No.2955939

>>2955877
>Hey man, If I was running a communist country, the only jobs I would let people choose from would be science, academic, and research jobs.

Who will provide the essential products and services, such as food, water, transport, and maintenance?

Anonymous Wed Apr 27 02:03:42 2011 No.2955943

Canadian here, war with USA aside,

Even if they could solve the incentive problem and create the new socialist man (USSR couldn't, even after killing 70M+ people), they still can't plan an economy in a remotely efficient way. Prices contain information about the relation between the relative availability of a product and how badly people want it. In the absence of this information which comes about as a result of people exchanging, it becomes impossible to know what to produce and how.

Also the USSR had a tremendous amount of natural resources available and ultimately couldn't provide their average citizen with the material wealth available to even a lower class American.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 02:07:42 2011 No.2955957 >>2955913 And the government has every right to deny a basic human desire because...?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 02:12:42 2011 No.2955972 OP, it's not balls, but retardation we're lacking.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 02:15:42 2011 No.2955977 LOL. You're an idiot, OP.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 02:17:42 2011 No.2955986 Oh god, a communist Canada would be even worse than when Reagen led America.

Anonymous Wed Apr 27 02:18:42 2011 No.2955989

A canada thread on /sci/

Nothing I love better than seeing Canada get talked about.

Countrymen I am proud.jpg

Also, fuck the communist party. They have like ten members, and I'm friends with a descendent of a founder. NDP is pretty lite, but its the best choice since they are rising fast.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 02:21:42 2011 No.2956001 Vote Harper. That is all.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 02:22:42 2011 No.2956007 File: 14 KB, 320x277, pol compass.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Resource based economy ftw Inb4 Stockholm syndrome hurr durr

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 02:24:42 2011 No.2956017 >>2956007 >resource based economy >not a complete utopian bullshit scenario In a resource based economy, he who maintains the robots is de facto king. Designers don't even get that much say, it's the guys who fix the fuckers.

Anonymous Wed Apr 27 02:35:42 2011 No.2956063

>>2956007
>anybody who criticizes me is a neocon poor-hating redneck with stockholm syndrome
>I don't know a fucking thing about basic, commonly agreed upon economic principles
>I get my political views from independent film makers whose qualifications are summed up in the phrase "wicked marimba skills, thin goatee"

look at my opinion!!1 isn't it sooooo radical? Venus project 4 lyfe

Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. Wed Apr 27 02:36:42 2011 No.2956069
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>>2956007
Brofist

>>2956017
>In a resource based economy, he who maintains the robots is de facto king. Designers don't even get that much say, it's the guys who fix the fuckers.
Not quite the case if you design the robots to be easily maintainable via other robots that are also able to easily maintain their own kind that are occasionally broken.
A small (< 100) libertarian technocratic-democratic hybrid government with two year terms for each member would be the best 'owners' for the robots and automation in my opinion.

Anonymous Wed Apr 27 02:41:42 2011 No.2956089

>>2956069

Technocracy and democracy are completely at odds with each other; you're just spouting words almost at random. Can't have a government where the experts dictate how the country works when you have a government where the people dictate how the country works. Unless you think you can make democracy not function as a popularity contest (here's a hint: you can't, especially with a micronation's worth of people where everybody knows each other and thus all democratic decisions will have multiple motives)

Anonymous Wed Apr 27 02:53:42 2011 No.2956126

>>2956069
Yeah bro, I thought communism was for the working class? What happens to those people who don't have jobs when robots are doing everything? You're going to pay them to all be engineers? lol

Good luck with your commie country in the backyard of America.

Anonymous Wed Apr 27 02:57:42 2011 No.2956138

Canadian countryman here.

Vote ndp and get cheap internet.

Vote Liberal and get weed.

Communism doesn't work.
Nothing to extremes work.
Mixed socialism, mixed everything is the best possible option.

Now I'd like to remind america that we have a population thats smaller then the state of california but we're the second biggest country in the world and we still get as much done as any other first world nation.

Thats fucking impressive.

Also we fucking love america and america love us.
We'd sooner go to war with quebec.

Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. Wed Apr 27 02:57:42 2011 No.2956140
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>>2956089
Government members are elected via selection from prize winners, inventors, people who have been recognized for their excellence in their field. There can be ten people as candidates for a Minister of Health, where a Minister is chosen by normal citizens in the nation who have experience or expertise relating to the field. So people like doctors, medical students, physicians would be voting. As for individual laws, a similar thing happens, where the government has 50% of the vote deciding if a law passes or not where the people that the law affects or is related to in their field have the other 50%.

I am unaware of any similar governmental system to this so I call it technocratic democracy. A nice beld between anti-corruption and letting the country be run like a popularity contest.

Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. Wed Apr 27 03:00:42 2011 No.2956145
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>>2956126
>derp hurr durr communism
The key is to get all robots to replace menial human labour, then phase out the traditional monetary system for something like Manna's 1,000 a week non-stacking resource credits where the price of goods is dictated by the amount of materials, time, and energy used. Effectively everyone goes on a reaaaaaaally good welfare, to basically be 'economically free.'

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 03:34:42 2011 No.2956231 >>2956140 So, the criteria isn't based on ability, it's based on the perception of ability. Sounds to me like you could use some basic psych courses.

>>	Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. Wed Apr 27 03:38:42 2011 No.2956244 File: 185 KB, 646x536, 1298712193142.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2956231 Gotta experiment sometime. Might as well do it when its practically impossible to fuck up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 03:42:42 2011 No.2956257 >>2956244 How exactly is experimenting with a society who literally has an army of robots exactly practically impossible to fuck up? Sounds to me like you haven't thought this through very well at all.

Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. Wed Apr 27 03:48:42 2011 No.2956273
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>>2956257
The robots and automation are initially set up to automate all the essentials of human life as well as loads of bells and whistles, phones, iPods and gadgets and so forth. With that being standalone and able to allocate resources quickly and efficiently to each factory or something that needs to create products, the government doesn't have much to do other than to enact new laws which are half-decided by the people, or allow extra resources for projects such as research experiments or directing the construction of new infrastructure.
A fair bit harder to fuck up than our current systems.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 03:57:42 2011 No.2956303 >>2956145 So basically, there the balance between skilled and unskilled labor isn't reflected in costs good idea

>>	Scientist !!ThFjnJh4EkH Wed Apr 27 04:03:42 2011 No.2956319 >>2955679 >C word This some new auto word ban that I missed? Also, because c--ism is retarded. It doesn't work.

Anonymous Wed Apr 27 04:09:42 2011 No.2956329

Have you ever met a Communist Party of Canada member? They're all 20 year old douchebags who begin every sentence with, "Well, as a political science major, I think that..." as if their two years of introductory international studies courses mean they know dick all about the world. That's a bit of a generalization, of course... occasionally they're 40 year old douchebags who think they're 20 year old douchebags.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 04:10:42 2011 No.2956341 >>2956138 > We'd sooner go to war with quebec. No way... did you see the Habs game tonight? <3 Montreal right now.

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