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2941350 No.2941350 [Reply] [Original]

Is this science related? No. But threads about religion aren't either and there are a ton of them around here.

I chose this board because you here seem to be the smartest from all the morons around.

I just wanted to say: People with more than one kid are assholes. Fuck them. We could easily solve most of earth's problems simply by reducing the population. But noooo because Fred Fucktard and Christina Cunt need to have a bunch of children we can not safe the world - bummer.

I say do what is necessary for the greater good and simply outlaw having more than one kid for the next couple of hundred years.

>> No.2941353

sounds good in theory, but China tried a version of that and their shit got all fucked up.

>> No.2941356

Forced vasectomy after one kid.

Also: make abortion legal.

>> No.2941365

>reducing the population
That means you're terminating the number of already-living people, not the ones yet to be born.

>>2941356
On top of this global legalization of gay marriage. Gay unions bear no fruit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Forever_War

>> No.2941369

People suck, there's too many of em!

That's what I have been saying for years but nobody listens.

>> No.2941372

Do you own a pet dog? Dogs also consume resources that could be better spent on humans. Pets and children are luxury items. People own them as accessory items for their life.

>> No.2941375

>>2941372

Less people also means less people with pets.

>> No.2941377

The problem is many of the aid workers are christians. So when they go to third world shithole they don't exactly teach effective birth control.

>> No.2941378

This leads to an aging population. Because of the skewed demographics, you have a smaller overall workforce and in turn stunted economic growth. The CCP is considering relaxing their one children policy due to similar concerns.

>> No.2941386

If you didn't get a boner every time you looked at an iPod, maybe the world wouldn't be so fucked up. Consume, throw away
Consume, throw away

No wonder you people can't love right. You're all a bunch of robots.

>> No.2941388

If it takes two people to make a child, then
1 kid to reduce the general population [in the long run]
2 kids to keep the general population constant [in the long run]
any more and you're just trying too hard to leave your mark

Best bet would be for most couples to have 1 or 2 kids. Problem with a single child policy, as seen in China is that the kid grow up with all the parent's attention. They know no modesty or sharing. They're little emperors.

Biggest problem is that 1 child would have to support 4 grandparents, and 2 parents. Burden is very heavy. China has a social security problem the US has, but maybe a million times more the gravity (there is a billion people in China...)

>> No.2941389

>>2941378

Mandatory euthanasia. Problem solved.

>> No.2941398

inb4 Logan's Run

>> No.2941399

>>2941388
Also some irresponsible gender selection would happen. If India implemented a newborn cap, I'd bet their gender ratio disparity would further.

I thought my family (who swapped for boys) was rough, until I heard my Punjabi friend tell me of his family.

>> No.2941402

>>2941389

This. Why do people need to live for a 100 years nowadays?

You say it's cruel to painlessly kill them? You know what I think is cruel? Leaving your loved ones to die in some sterile hospital room surrounded by strangers. Fuck that!

>> No.2941403

>>2941350
The problem is : "we" see conception and birth as an "holy" thing, it can't be controled, it's out of any type of ruling, people think it is a total, fundamental right anbd nobody has anything to say on it.... well, fuck that.

>> No.2941404

>>2941399

India is a shithole, though. It deserves flame, not sympathy.

>> No.2941405

>>2941399
What did he tell you?

>> No.2941406

with only one one possible birth per couple, having born an inferior female specimen, will lead to bitter disappointment and immoral killing - and a male heavy population (see china)

>> No.2941411

>>2941406

so?

>> No.2941415

YEA I HATE HUMANS

FUCK FAMILY

FUCK VALUES

LEGALIZE GAY MARRIAGE FOR LESS HUMANS AND MORE DEGENERATES
FORCED POPULATION CONTROL
FORCED ABORTION
ONE CHILD POLICY

KILL ALL HUMANS EXCEPT FOR ME I WANT TO LIVE FOREVER THROUGH TRANSHUMANISM HAHAHAHAH YEA IM FUCKING AWESOME


>Typical Atheists

>> No.2941418

I think part of birth controlling the world would have to be directed at Africa. Since their mortality rate is quite high and they need many workers to survive they have a ridiculous amount of kids. If you solve their problems and stabilize their country you could reduce carbon emission greatly.

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>> No.2941423

>>2941415
NO ONE CAN TOUCH MY SPERM AND MY DIVINE RIGHT TO REPRODUCE EVEN IF I DON4T CARE FOR MY OFFSPRING IN THE END, AND FUCK RATIONALITY AND OVERPOPULATION, I'D RATHER STAY AN IGNORANT ANIMAL WITH NO SENSE OF RESPONSABILITY !

Typical theist

>> No.2941426

>>2941404
they terminated the female babies repeatedly until a male. after birth.

my family (in the past) swapped &/or paid for male kids. they kept the first daughter, they gave the others away.
yeah i'm pretty sure they didn't kill any babies after they had been born.
they had only done this because in 1890~1940 having a male did help with farmwork. my dad's family is from the countryside

>> No.2941427

>>2941415

BREED. PRAY. INQUISITION.

BREED. PRAY. INQUISITION.

BREED. PRAY. INQUISITION

>Typical Christians

>> No.2941429

http://www.duggarfamily.com/

U mad, OP?

>> No.2941430

Actually you need a bit more than 2 children per couple to keep stable population levels. Remember that some people have no children.
Frankly I am worried about population. There is a good, liberal solution through just letting prosperity and feminism spread throughout the world so that the birth rate goes down, but I'm worried that population pressures could become great enough that this would be impossible so we'd have to choose between enforcing low birth rates and large scale suffering.

>> No.2941436

>>2941430
Im not sure the rest of the non western world cares much for self destructing feminism

>> No.2941437

>>2941429
>Our prayer is that all who view this site will realize that we are ordinary people with our individual weaknesses and imperfections but we serve an extraordinary GOD who delights in demonstrating His great power!

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>> No.2941438

LETS CREATE A PREGNANCY LICENSE SYSTEM.
THAT WAY RETARDS WONT BE ABLE TO HAVE CHILDREN.

and if they do it's off to the concerntration camp with them.

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>>2941429

>> No.2941451

>>2941406
Then the next generation will have a really low birth rate as there aren't any women. Unless you get something like African mail order brides coming to China, but that will hardly be enough. Presumably people will work out pretty quickly that if they have a son, grandchildren are unlikely, and the ones who don't won't leave many children.

>> No.2941452

Why does america has so much problems with religions and fundies? Why is religion still that important in the US "in god we trust " on money, swear to the bible for president and witnesses in court....

It looks quite retarded and kind of scary too...

>> No.2941453

>>2941418

You do realise that Africa is responsible for ~4% of carbon emissions? And around 14% of the world population?

There are more people in India than the entire continent.

>> No.2941456

>>2941430
Pretty sure most countries modernizing now will see a drop in birth rates. This is not a problem in Eastern Europe, Japan, or China, so there is a limit.

Africa is going to have a high fertility rate. I wouldn't feel to sorry for them as more infants die in Africa than anywhere else in the world.

Other countries need forced sterilization. I'm looking at you Philippines. You're an island country that's going to surpass Japan in population very, very soon. And your people just amounted to 10 million a century ago. Japan has brought to the world many, many technologies. The Philippines have not.

>> No.2941462

>>2941456
>Japan has brought to the world many, many technologies.
Please cite a few, I'm up for a good laugh !

>> No.2941463

The difference between China and AMURKUR is China is gay and only wants males because they're gay.
There are no gays in AMURKUR therefore the one child policy will work.

>> No.2941465

>>2941462
FUCKING ROBOTS MAN. SEX DOLLS AND SHIT

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2941466

> He thinks overpopulation is a problem on Earth

Yup, because if we are consuming ressources it's because we are so numerous, right. Tell me, what proportion of the population can eat a steak everyday ?

>> No.2941468

I got a better idea; anyone born before 1990 is executed on national television...all of a sudden, /sci/ starts to look like a better place for real discussion

>> No.2941469

>>2941463
Theorically, you don't make children to fuck them later

>> No.2941471

>>2941469
IN CHINA THEY DO

>> No.2941472

Rich countries with educated populations need to have more children. In many of these, population is already falling or destined to fall.

It is the third world shitholes that need to have population control. They are breeding nothing but ignorant niggers.

>> No.2941473

>>2941462

Cars that don't suck.

>> No.2941475

>>2941436
Yeah, Iranian and Saudi women sure are thrilled to be stoned to death or hung from cranes if they get raped.
The fact is that as women gain liberty they discover aspirations beyond mum, so they have fewer children. The Feminine Mystique and all that.

>> No.2941478

>>2941472
We could just stop worrying about them and let them figure out that their need for sex is making them all suffer.
It's not like they have a can opener for all the creamed corn people send anyway.

>> No.2941479

>>2941466

Asshole who consume too much and live in luxury are a problem too.

But think about it: Isn't it better to have a few hundred million people live in luxury than a few billion people who mostly have shit lifes?

Are you suggesting the better solution is that we all live like in a third world country?

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2941486

This thread went full retard starting from the OP and it's continually plummeting to new depths.

>> No.2941488

We nuke every shit hole country, then the US and the EU merge into a mega-country/corporation and appropriate these former havens of disease and shitty water as sites for corporate bordellos and off-shore telemarketing centers

>> No.2941489

>>2941486
And you're at the end...

>> No.2941491

>>2941488
Lol fuck off, america isn't getting anywhere near europe.
We'll take shit loads of muslims, but fuck your retarded shit.

>> No.2941493

>>2941488

Why would the EU merge with a nuclear wasteland?

>> No.2941498

>>2941491
and that's what eurotrash really believe...with the vast combined resources of europe and americas can-do attitude, the world would tremble at our combined might

>> No.2941503

>>2941498
See: >>2941429

>> No.2941505

>>2941486
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>>2941486
>>2941468
this

>> No.2941506

>>2941498
America would probably force eurpoe to speak 'American'.

>> No.2941508

>>2941498

But you are a bunch of religious wackos with no taste in art, literature or culture.

We don't want to work with you.

>> No.2941510

>>2941479
I'm thinking about it...no that sounds worse than the billions. It means now there are even less people doing more work to provide luxuries for the rich.
I wouldn't drive a used motorbucket with 4 flats when I could have a new Viper fresh out of the dealership.
inb4
>dealership

>> No.2941517

Totally fucking retarded thread. OP go die.

>> No.2941527

>mfw Europeans equate the minority of Americans with what everyone acts like

by that logic, Europeans must all be prostitute mutilating, children eating non-bathing psychopaths who love killing Jews and drinking way too much warm beer.

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Oh, they think it's the biggest thing in the world like it's a big event having a baby. I call it pumping out a unit. That's all they're doing. That's all they're doing. Pumping out a fucking unit.

...

Ba-boom. Ba-boom. Like some of them like assembly lines like a factory. Ba-ba-boom. Every fucking year, ba-ba-boom. "Hey, Jeff, want a kid?" Ba-ba-boom. "How about twins?" Ba-ba-boom, ba-ba-boom.

...

Polluting the earth. Polluting the earth with these creatures who have no future. They have no future. Have you pictured what this planet is going to be like in 40 to 50 years? It's going to be a big smoking ball of shit, a big, smoking, flaming, stinking ball of gaseous shit. That's what's gonna happen. That's what's gonna happen.

>> No.2941534

Why don't we stop sending money to the third world? It's not helping anyone in the long term.

>> No.2941540

>>2941527

Last time I checked the religious retards are not a minority in the US.

>> No.2941542

>>2941456
>Africa is going to have a high fertility rate. I wouldn't feel to sorry for them as more infants die in Africa than anywhere else in the world.
These are not coincidences by the way

>>2941472
Easy solution. Offer parents to take kids showing potential off their hands, raise them in government run creches with an emphasis on education, training and physical health. Turn out skillful, educated adults, with a debt to the creche, which they can repay through service to the creche (they'd be cheaper than professors competed for against the overpriced private higher education system). They go from being worth $2 a day to $300 or more a day.

>> No.2941544

>>2941534

It is helping people right now. And no - by not sending money you would not decrease the population there in any significant way.

>> No.2941547

>>2941531

Then kill yourself. At least it will be one less humans, so be coherent and kill yourself.

>> No.2941549

Let people have their kids and deal with it. Population is going to grow regardless, just wait for nature to balance our asses out.

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2941550

>>2941540
>he believes that a vocal minority makes up the majority

>> No.2941553

>>2941534
Depends how you do it. Improving health and decreasing infant mortality are very useful at stabilising population in the long run, as are education and capital. Aside from the special case of healthcare and disaster relief it's always more useful to send capital than it is to send goods/consumables.

>> No.2941554

>>2941542
What happens if these individuals refuse to repay these loans.
Or doesn't make enough to pay within an allotted time.
What do you do with the unresponsive kids in the program.

>> No.2941557

>>2941550

1. These pictures of laughing girls infuriates me. Please consider stop using them.

2. Look at the polls dude. Look at the polls. Look how many believe in young earth creationism, that the US is founded on christian values or that being gay is immoral etc.

>> No.2941558

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>> No.2941565

>>2941558

And your post is so witty and rich in content.

>> No.2941573

>>2941544
If money isn't sent there anymore then they'll learn to stop rely on other countries.

>> No.2941576

>>2941573
>*stop being reliant

>> No.2941578

>>2941554
What if you refuse to pay your taxes? You end up in jail after a few years of polite notices. These guys are going to be on a much tighter leash given that they represent a big investment. If they can't find a job, they can apply to serve the state in some way. If they refuse, they'll be detained and forced to serve the state to pay what they owe.
For the unresponsive to academia, I'd presume the system would have streams as the German one does. Even a fairly crappy person with a modest education represents a huge productivity gain over the alternative.

>> No.2941580

>>2941573

Who? Their corrupted governments or the western businessmen who exploit the people get along nicely as it is.

I would go the opposite route. "Buy" Africa and make it a fucking colony. And make India a colony again too (I am one of the few people who think Gandhi was an asshole for "freeing" India).

>> No.2941587

>>2941573
Only if the money is sent inefficiently. If they payments are made in the right way, then withdrawing them just means the countries will accumulate capital more slowly

>> No.2941590

>>2941578
But if you jail them you are then spendingadditional non-refundable tax money on a failed investment.

>> No.2941592

>>2941580
I think the west should stop sending aid or make it a colony. Imagine, entire countries of people WORKING for their food stamps.

>> No.2941597

>>2941580
You don't understand the world do you. If anything, at this point India would be one of the potential investors in Africa (at this point China is the big one, but they're grouped together as the BRIC nations for a reason)

>> No.2941603

>>2941590
Not jail. Forced labour. You know what their skillset is, so put them where they're most useful and if they don't do it withdraw privileges or put them in solitary for a week.

>> No.2941608

>>2941578

>You end up in jail after a few years of polite notices.

Then you'd have to set up some money to open more prisons because forcing someone to do something they don't want to to is going to be TWICE the waste,

1. They blow off their indoctrination/education
2. They end up spending their time in a prison system financed by the taxpayer.

So your little system ends up failing financially, and the whole thing collapses.

>> No.2941609

>>2941550

>90% of Americans believe in God
>Vocal minority

>> No.2941611

Wow. So the only way you guys know how to solve problems is by enforcing an oppressive dictatorship?

Bravo.

>> No.2941615

white guilt ridden god complexs adopting niggers. LOL.

>> No.2941622

You know what pisses me off?

The fucking Amish! Why don't they have to pay taxes?

Either make everybody pay taxes or make it voluntary for everybody.

It has been my dream since a child to just have a little piece of land I can harvest enough food on to feed myself and then live happily ever after.

They get to do it but I don't because I do not subscribe to their dumb, backwards philosophy.

>> No.2941635

>>2941622
The gov't feels sorry for allowing them to fester in their time-warped theist communities filled with 200+ years of inbreeding.

>> No.2941637

>>2941608
Uh, that's the description of what happens to actual people under our current system who don't pay taxes. Jail is a deterrent. People will choose to become well off professionals rather than slaves.
And besides, it's not like there'll be any problems indoctrinating them such that they'll want to work hard and repay their debts if you control their life and development. Like the Jesuits say, give me the boy at 8 and I will give you the man.

>>2941611
What do you expect? The CCP is mostly engineers.

>> No.2941639

>>2941611

Dictatorship is the only social choice mechanism that satisfies unrestricted domain, independence, monotonicity and pareto efficiency. Bravo yourself.

>> No.2941654

>>2941622

>Why don't they have to pay taxes?

They do pay taxes.

>> No.2941661

People will choose to become well off professionals rather than slaves

>By force? The thing about a strong central government is that they end up becoming a giant leech on the real economy. So to get at where you want to be, or rather, to hide the affect you have on the economy you'd have to spend money you don't have. This is part of the reason dictatorships fail, they end up becoming a giant chunk of the economy, with most of the resources focused/wasted on control of the population. Look at North Korea, your crowning jewel of humanity.

>> No.2941694

>>2941661
No, because they will receive money in exchange for working which they can use to buy goods or services. There will be a free market economy, and generally liberal, but poor non-citizens can send their children to these creches so we can unleash their greatest potential. Think of it as like the French Foreign Legion but for small civilian children.

>> No.2941707

>There will be a free market economy, and generally liberal
>Strong central government enforcing a culture of productivity on its citizens

Pick one.

>> No.2941715

>>2941707
No, that's just the education system for the poor, combined with a very harsh debt repayment system.

>> No.2941725

>>2941707

Second.

>> No.2942162

It's funny cause people living in the worst conditions have always the largest progeny.

I guess they're really bored.

>> No.2942220

>>2941661
> implying North Korea isn't a shithole because globalisation decided to stop playing with them in the name of "morals" (also because afraid of getting kidnapped)

>> No.2942607

>>2941350
missing the point.

If discussing pollution, 1 american is worth thousands of starving ophans. Also, american pets eat better than the aforementioned orphans. Might be best to outlaw western pets and force those resources elsewhere


IF discussing overpopulation, then holding women to one child is only necessary where female fertility is high. There would be less poor people in india if there wasn't a billion of them. Same resources split less ways=more prosperity for those left. This is irrelevant in subsaharan africa: there's essentially no resources to speak of until you get far from the desert (why there's a genocide going on there right now).

>>2941468
FFFUUUUUU

>> No.2942619

>>2941350
>Is this science related? No. But threads about religion aren't either and there are a ton of them around here.

>I chose this board because you here seem to be the smartest from all the morons around.

>I just wanted to say: [insert non-science shit]

People like you are part of the problem.

>> No.2942630

It's only natural. I tell people we should stop making kids, but I plan to have at 3 and if I could ($$$) I'd have +10, I don't give a shit about your world, I'll do what my instincts are telling me.

Meanwhile, piss off because you too is ruining the world by not donating your salary to Africa and not recycling every single shit you use.

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>>2941350
Don't worry, dude. It all takes care of itself. Already the death rate is rising and birth rate is leveling out.

>> No.2942686

Wow, I've never disagreed more with a /sci/ thread.

I seriously want 10+ kids. I DO want to leave my mark. I want my line of generation to go on until humanity ceases to exist. And I couldn't give a fuck what anyone else thinks about this.

Hate me.

>> No.2942689

I have 5 kids. They're all smarter than OP. Jelly?

>> No.2942712

I'm happy that I'm not going to have any kids because that means I won't have to watch them suffer in the economic and environmental apocalypse to come.

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that sounds racist OP because everyone knows minorities and third worlders have the most kids. dont expect your liberal "colleagues" to agree with you, their solution is taxation, not personal responsibility

>> No.2942738

>>2942712
You're going to be bummed when the apocalypse doesn't come and there's no one to take care of you in your old age.

>> No.2942746

>>2942738
Not nearly so bummed as I'll be if the apocalypse does come and I wind up taking care of the abandoned children of starving families.

>> No.2942775

People need to realize that this planet isnt big enough to allow everyone to have the same lifestyle the average american does. I do not want my standard of living to drop one centilla even if it means thousands of people have to suffer for it. First world countries just need to cut the life support to these third world countries because theyre never going to be self sufficient and are going to continue to suck us dry. There has to be a point where you gotta stop giving or else youre going to be the one who needs help. If I started giving away stuff i own without stopping I will eventually be left with nothing.

>> No.2942777

>>2942746
SPOILER: The apocalypse never comes.

>> No.2942795

The thing is, this planet can hold over 20 billion people with land and resources. When the whole planet is a giant city, then complain about it. We need more people who are educated to breed or we will end up like in the movie idiocracy.

>> No.2942800

>>2942775
A lot of our wealth is possible because of the third world. Who's going to make our shirts and shoes once the indians and chinese get wealthy? Hopefully the africans will have enough wealth by then to build some factories.

>> No.2942823

>>2942777
SPOILER: apocalyptic events have happened many many times in the past and believing you are an exception to the rules makes you an idiot.

>> No.2942829

>>2942823
SPOILER: There has never been an apocalypse, and there never will be.

>> No.2942831

>>2942823
name three

>> No.2942839

>>2942831
Cambrian, Permian, and Cretaceous extinctions.

>> No.2942921

as to those people claiming there will never be an apocalypse,this discussion isn't about the wolrd blowing up through some magical means it is a much observed phenomena of a species exceding the carrying capacity of it's environment

examples: the bronze age collapse; the fall of rome, easter island; that one native american city near the missisipi whose name i forgot; original culture of south american due to el nino; and the list continues with a lot of names i forgot

in summary throughout history everything has fallen, why should we be any different

only we are capable of projecting resource needs given current consumption and growth and plot against known reserves