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2909332 No.2909332 [Reply] [Original]

War and strategy is also science.
ITT we discuss The Art of War, from Sun Tzu to Machiavelli.

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>> No.2909346

>>2909332
>War and strategy is also science.
Just because you say it, doesn't make it true.

>> No.2909381

If I saw somebody with The Art of War or The Prince or Clausewitz or whatever on his desk I would think he's a pretentious goober.

>> No.2909386

>>2909346
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_science

>> No.2909399

>>2909381
Care to explain why you hold such an opinion?

>> No.2909403

>>2909381
What is a "pretentious goober"?

>> No.2909411

Machiavelli >>>>>>> Sun Tzu
Also, don't be a faggot and read The Prince just because everybody do it. Nicolau has much greater books, even though they are less dissiminated.
Most The Prince readers just want to pass a pseudo-cult image.

>> No.2909424

So has anyone used these principles in everyday life? I'm talking about specific cases where it worked not just thinking about them.

>> No.2909425

>>2909346
its true, military science was a research project in the civ games, so it must be true

>> No.2909438

>>2909424
I used to run a company and in one specifical ocasion used the Peloponnesian War strategy to determine the course of our investment.
It was only this time, though.

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>> No.2909493

>>2909399
>>2909403
Obsolete, irrelevant books namedropped by degenerates who don't actually understand them who also tend to be into business wankery, multilevel marketing, get-rich-quick schemes, neurolinguistic programming, and pickup artistry.

>> No.2909769 [DELETED] 

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>> No.2909800

wow I had no clue Machiavelli wrote a book with the same title as sun tzu...

I did enjoy the prince though

>> No.2909810

>>2909381

pretentious - adj.

a word used to make fun of people who like stuff I'm too stupid to understand.

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>>2909438

>specifical

>> No.2909825

>>2909332

The Art of War is about politics
The politics naturally greatly include war, but the book is still about politics

>> No.2909843

>>2909820
(spə sif′ik)
adjective
limiting or limited; specifying or specified; precise; definite; explicit: no specific plans
of or constituting a species
peculiar to or characteristic of something: specific traits
of a special, or particular, sort or kind
MED.
specially indicated as a cure for a particular disease: a specific remedy
produced by a particular microorganism: a specific disease
PHYSICS designating a certain constant characteristic of a substance or phenomenon measured against some arbitrary, fixed standard of reference or expressed as an amount per unit area, unit volume, etc.
Also RAREspecifical spe·cif′i·cal

>RARE: specifical
Even though not very much used, specifical bear the same meaning as specific. But I have to admit it, it is quite archaic. I had better stop using it.

>> No.2909856

>>2909825

The Art of War written by Machiavelli has politics only on the first chapter, where he presents the Delleto.

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Like most sciences it is a cross between interpreting facts and deduction, there are a lot of technical details after this.

I play hearts of iron 2 a lot and it's neat having to juggle all the factors, assess risks, determine the value of various possible actions and all that, I suspect IRL would be several orders of magnitude more complex. I think greater leaders in the past who discovered innovative solutions and did everything right were thinking scientifically, they basically looked at the situation and erected imaginary brick walls for the actions that were available to them, they then assessed all the possibilities, for instance Alexander luring the enemy cavalry out to the flanks then getting them entangled with his light infantry while he rode with his own cavalry back to attack the unprotected flank, he must have noticed that there was nothing barring the possibility of him accomplishing this, or at least the risks were low enough to justify him doing so. I suspect he also took advantage of Persia's city state political arrangement, Clausewitz is another author that is on par with Tzu and Machiavelli, his famous quote "war is an extension of politics" is pretty much true.

>> No.2909896

>>2909856
Sorry, For clarification I meant Sun Tzu's Art of War

>> No.2909912

>>2909896

Ok. In this case you are right.
Sorry about the confusion.

>> No.2909916

>>2909892

Well spoken.

>> No.2909917

>>2909381
that's reverse pretensionism!