Michigan Teachers Forced To Rely On Food Stamps

[FAGGATRON_3000 !U0FKfqmRjs No.2906458]

>Since Governor Snyder took office, Michigan has been subjected to Draconian measures like the Emergency Financial Manager who just took over Benton Harbor, Michigan, stripping elected officials of any power but calling meetings open and closed or the EFM who just laid off every single public school teacher in Detroit (a move akin to kicking the dog). Teachers across the state are being kicked as a part of Snyder’s “market rate” “business approach” to the very real fiscal challenges facing Michigan. In one example of this, in the middle of attempting to negotiate a contract, a full time professor at Central Michigan University became eligible for food stamps.

http://www.politicususa.com/en/michigan-teacher-food-stamps

Why do conservatives hate education?

[Anonymous No.2906477]

I wonder how big his salary is....
Cutting politician's salaries and benefits would be much more profitable than cutting education

[Anonymous No.2906486]

I would answer that question gladly, if you would first please explain why it is that government must use taxes to supply and manage education at all.

Also explain the need for food stamps too, while you're at it. (liberal wealth redistribution is a bitch when it's not flowing yer direction, huh?)

[Scientist !!ThFjnJh4EkH No.2906493]

>>2906458
>Why do conservatives hate education?
They believe that religion is the only thing keeping the world working. No really, they do. They think that science and evolution in particular leads to naturalism and the rejection of the .. super-natural. And thus far they're right.

They think that rejection of the supernatural and the embrace of naturalism will turn everyone into nihilistic Nazi rapers and killers. No really. This is what they actually think, in their own words no less. I'm not even exaggerating with the Nazi thing. See Ben Stein's views on the subject - a person largely responsible for "Expelled - No Intelligence Allowed".

[Scientist !!ThFjnJh4EkH No.2906504]

>>2906486
>I would answer that question gladly, if you would first please explain why it is that government must use taxes to supply and manage education at all.
Two possible approaches to make.

First could argue that free markets do a shitty job for education. I won't make that here because I'm not even sure if it's true.

The second is the much more important thing. The entire concept of a democratic republic, or any other form of government with elements of democracy, /require/ an educated and well informed citizenry. Without a well informed citizenry, you might as well be rolling dice, or just listening to the demagogues. Public education is required for a democractic republic to function.

[Anonymous No.2906511]

>>2906493

Obvious lobotomized socialist is obvious.

[Anonymous No.2906512]

The Washington D.C's teacher's union was offered an option to DOUBLE THEIR SALARY if they took tenure off the table. They kept tenure.

[Scientist !!ThFjnJh4EkH No.2906525]

>>2906512
Unfortunate. I generally am a fan of free markets where it works, and not the biggest fan of union protection of shitty workers.

[Brokazaki !!GGO9kwAPCR4 No.2906530]

>>2906512
>lose tenure
>easily fired and replaced with people willing to work for less

>>2906486
Because without an educated populace, democracy doesn't work at ALL. In addition, I think we can all be pretty damn sure that if the rich aren't willing to pay as much in taxes as the poor, they're sure as shit not willing to privately fund education for all the nation's children.

[Brokazaki !!GGO9kwAPCR4 No.2906539]

>>2906525
So am I, but with the growing blatant greed of the wealthy, the list of places where the free market can be trusted is shrinking.

[Anonymous No.2906540]

>>2906504

>They think that rejection of the supernatural and the embrace of naturalism will turn everyone into nihilistic Nazi rapers and killers.

Oh yes, "naturalism". As in, it's natural to have sex with a goat or your neighbor's 5-year old son. And it's also natural to kill your neighbor and steal his stuff.

Hey, you moral relativists can rape and pillage as much as you want, but don't complain to me when you end becoming Bubba's love slave in Pelican Bay.

[HolyRoman !YRVuxzOI1U No.2906544]

Just stopping people from buying stolen goods, I don't see the problem. But seriously, there are things that are better to cut first (military spending, foreign aid, war on drugs, war on gambling, war on business etc).

[Anonymous No.2906557]

>>2906530
Teachers should be easily fired. Education exists to benefit students, not instructors.

[Anonymous No.2906572]

>>2906540

Well shit, son. I guess I better go blow myself up for Allah if I want to be moral.

[Brokazaki !!GGO9kwAPCR4 No.2906569]

>>2906540
Excuse me, troll, you're posting as if you don't know what naturalism means.

Did more former /new/ posters show up recently or something?

[Anonymous No.2906565]

>>2906557

>easily fired and replaced with people willing to work for less

>Implying that's a bad thing

[Anonymous No.2906574]

>>2906569

I know what naturalism is, but various yutzes were using it to mean moral relativism.

[Brokazaki !!GGO9kwAPCR4 No.2906575]

>>2906557
I agree, but >>2906512 was implying (I think) that teachers made a bad choice, when really they were looking out for their own job security. Being offered twice your salary means nothing if it's followed by being fired.

[Anonymous No.2906584]

American "teachers" are just morons who underperformed in colleges and have no other career options. We are some of the highest spenders when it comes to education and yet we always fall behind the rest of the world...
America should emulate Finland and make it tougher to become a teacher whilst simultaneously increasing pay & benefits to compensate.

[Brokazaki !!GGO9kwAPCR4 No.2906587]

>>2906574
No. The quote was, "They think that rejection of the supernatural and the embrace of naturalism will turn everyone into nihilistic Nazi rapers and killers."

Naturalism was used as an opposing viewpoint to believing in supernatural things.

4/10 for being subtle.

[Anonymous No.2906592]

>>2906540

This is what conservatives actually believe.

[Anonymous No.2906595]

>>2906572

Well I don't think God looks too highly on that sort of thing, but if you want to blow yourself up, go ahead. I won't stop you. Just make sure you do it far away from other living things.

[Brokazaki !!GGO9kwAPCR4 No.2906619]

>>2906595
Other people do. Why do you think they're wrong and you're right?

[Anonymous No.2906627]

>>2906619

>he's trying to justify suicide bombings

[Scientist !!ThFjnJh4EkH No.2906642]

>>2906627
Die in a fire troll.

[Anonymous No.2906661]

>College professors living in poverty
Goddamn, I knew professor salaries sucked, but I thought it was just relative to the amount of education. I thought associate profs. got around $50k/year, assistant profs. got around $70k/year, and full profs. got around $100k/year.

But holy shit, $24,000/year? Fuck that. I hope it's just because the people they were talking about were non-tenure track humanities lecturers at low-tier public universities.

[Anonymous No.2906662]

>>2906642

>implying you're not one of the worst trolls on /sci

The kettle is calling the pot black, toots.

[Brokazaki !!GGO9kwAPCR4 No.2906673]

>>2906627
6/10

[Anonymous No.2906723]

> a full time professor at Central Michigan University became eligible for food stamps.

So one guy qualifies for food stamps and suddenly OH NO POOR TEACHERS REPUBLICANS HATE EDUCATION?

Fuck that. Teachers in this country are scum, using their powerful unions to extort pay and conditions far beyond what their effort deserves and to protect incomplete and criminal teachers from losing their jobs, all in the name of 'caring about education'. Teachers do not have the interests of children at heart, but they've managed to trick us all into thinking their interests coincide naturally with those of our kids. Protip: They don't.

Sage for partisan bullshit, keep this shit off /sci/