/sci/ - Science & Math

[Scia !!cjW58FjfJHZ No.2863923]

FUCK YEAH!!!

Just a couple days ago the american company announced the Falcon Heavy will be ready to fly in early 2013
http://www.spacex.com/falcon_heavy.php
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTwRxtmQ9IY

This Rocket is in the Super Heavy lift range being able lift 53,000 kg into Low earth Orbit.
Elon musk has said that with only two launches we could return men to the lunar surface.

With this a moon mission would cost around 1/4 of what it cost during the Apollo Days!

Well gentlemen it looks like America will probably go back to the moon by the end of the decade.

AMERICA FUCK YEAH!!!

[Anonymous No.2863936]

When we can colonise and cheaply take people there and back, or possibly get resources from the moon, then w'll be on to something.

till then, woo yay, hoo-pla.

[Anonymous No.2863939]

America isn't going to have the money to keep funding SpaceX.

SpaceX is going to persist, but calling them "American" twenty years from now is going to seem really silly.

[Anonymous No.2863949]

Inb4 Sea dragon.

Also america won't go to moon.

[Anonymous No.2863951]

the moon is so last season. its all about mars now.

[Anonymous No.2863959]

What is the cost per kilo? Is it more efficient that smaller rockets due to economy of scale?

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2863966]

>>2863939
You realize posting such comments about America in Scia's threads is like waving a red flag in front of a half-retarded bull?

[снайпер No.2863967]

>>2863959
Last I heard it was priced at $1000/kg

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2863972]

>>2863967
Isn't that like a tenfold price improvement?

[Anonymous No.2863974]

>>2863966

That's true for anywhere that Americans consider "theirs".

[Scia !!cjW58FjfJHZ No.2863976]

>>2863939
Its a private company and they are building the falcon Heavy on their own dime

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2863980]

>>2863976
Who do you think pays them those dimes?

[Scia !!cjW58FjfJHZ No.2863981]

>>2863966
Problem Faggot?

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2863985]

>>2863981
Can you post any great achievement after the Cold war era?

[Scia !!cjW58FjfJHZ No.2863986]

>>2863976
Elon Musk's personal fortune form selling Pay pal.

The Falcon Heavy gets no Government Money.

[Anonymous No.2863989]

The moon is so 60s, its just rocks and gayness

Mars pls

[Scia !!cjW58FjfJHZ No.2863994]

>>2863985
Paid for 70% by america

[Scia !!cjW58FjfJHZ No.2864002]

>>2863989
He can do Mars in 4 launches

He is also planning on eventually creating a lifter thats more powerful then the Saturn 5.

[Anonymous No.2864003]

>>2863989
Moon - so 60' just rock and dust
Mars - desertous planet with much fewer sun light

Anyway please what was the scientific value of going several times on an overly expensive trip to Moon?i

[Scia !!cjW58FjfJHZ No.2864004]

>>2864003
A good deal of what we know about the moon came from the Apollo missions.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2864006]

>>2863986
>Elon Musk (born June 28, 1971) is an American engineer, entrepreneur and philanthropist of South African-Canadian heritage best known for co-founding PayPal, SpaceX and Tesla Motors. He is currently the CEO and CTO of SpaceX, CEO and Product Architect of Tesla Motors and Chairman of SolarCity.
Whoa. TIME needs to make this guy man of the fucking year.
>>2863994
So tiny and is in LEO, not even in L5 or GEO

>>2864003
Maaaaars, is a world of wonders

[снайпер No.2864008]

>>2863986
NASA's budget [that had /sci/ in a tizzy awhile ago phoning congressmen] specifically gives money to SpaceX.

>>2863989
Personally, I think Mars can go fuck itself and we should build orbital habitats and foundries in earth orbit instead.

I want to colonize the place, but lets get serious - the amount of money and effort required is simply beyond what people are willing to put towards it. At least if we build industry and infrastructure in orbit, we'll more or less ensure that Mars is colonized SOME DAY.

Going to Mars right now is just going to result in a trillion dollar mission that plants a flag on the surface of Mars. Frankly, I DON'T want to see a repeat of the Moon missions.

[Anonymous No.2864013]

>>2864003

Because mars is a planet.

A FUCKING PLANET,

MAN

ON

ANOTHER

FUCKING

PLANET.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2864019]

>>2864008
>Going to Mars right now is just going to result in a trillion dollar mission that plants a flag on the surface of Mars. Frankly, I DON'T want to see a repeat of the Moon missions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manned_mission_to_Mars#ESA_plans
>The entire project would cost $20 billion and Russia would contribute 30% of these funds.[37]

[Scia !!cjW58FjfJHZ No.2864020]

>>2864006
>So tiny and is in LEO, not even in L5 or GEO
It has 837 cubic meters of pressurized volume

Its a fucking mansion in space

[Scia !!cjW58FjfJHZ No.2864033]

>>2864019
ESA has not even sent a man into suborbit

They are not going to mars for a long time

[Anonymous No.2864032]

Betting on glorious Europe for future space stuff, quality engineers and clever ideas are popping out everywhere

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2864030]

>>2864020
No rotation for artificial gravity
Not in GEO or L5
Tiny compared to what could've been built
Final destination

The exorbitant cost doesn't make it amazing.

[Scia !!cjW58FjfJHZ No.2864037]

>>2864032
>Never sent a human into space
>Doing anything important in the future

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2864038]

>>2864033
>posts ISS
>says that there are no ESA astronauts
Stay classy, Scia

http://www.esa.int/esaHS/iss.html

[Scia !!cjW58FjfJHZ No.2864039]

>>2864008
>NASA's budget [that had /sci/ in a tizzy awhile ago phoning congressmen] specifically gives money to SpaceX.
For the Dragon Spacecraft/Falcon 9

Not the Falcon Heavy

[Scia !!cjW58FjfJHZ No.2864045]

>>2864038
>Hitches Rides from Better Nations
>Thinks that makes you able of putting people into space
I never said no astronauts I said you never put a man in space(I meant on your own)

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2864049]

>>2864045
>Hitches Rides from Better Nations
Like Russia?
>I said you never put a man in space(I meant on your own)
The world doesn't consist of America riding on an ocean of Mexican immigrants and Europe. I'm not European.

[Anonymous No.2864050]

>>2864037

>my face when ou dont where scientific discoveries which made space travel possible came from
>my face when americans used nazi technology for space research
>Von Braun was german
>european pioneers in alternative engines, clean energies and satellite design
>A recent, almost inexsitance american leadership in space issues since your goverment prefers to build more toys to kill civilians in the middle east

not event rying

[Anonymous No.2864052]

>>2864004
I mean yeah, we know the composition of Moon (can be done by a few cheaper missions with autonomous robots), so we have slightly better idea of how it was formed and about the the past of the Earth. But so what? It doesn't give a closer insight into fundamental physics, it doesn't test any new materials in a low gravity environment... What do these knowledge represent? Why do we need them.

It's just a Moon... - What did it give us from practical view - except questionable prestige. We are those that can reach Moon with 3 people! - and yes it's again us who send 3 people instead of one lunar robot! We have developed an overly expensive pen that can write in space! - others are just using pencils...

[Anonymous No.2864057]

>>2864037

Scia, do you actually know anything about politics?

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2864059]

>>2864052
Dude.
Humans...
On the moon.

[Scia !!cjW58FjfJHZ No.2864064]

>>2864050
And you disregard Goddard(Who did more then Von Braun)
Also where is a European made and developed Human spacecraft?
>>2864049
>Like Russia?
Yes Exactly like Russia
>The world doesn't consist of America riding on an ocean of Mexican immigrants and Europe. I'm not European.
I know you're Australian

Thats even worse because you don't even have a space program

[Scia !!cjW58FjfJHZ No.2864067]

>>2864052
A lunar telescope on the far side would drastically advance astronomy

Also spin off tech

[Anonymous No.2864070]

>>2864064

>Thinks Goddard did more than Von Braun

>laughinggirls.jpg

Also, you're forgetting all the other European rocket scientists. Even the Saturn V page says in the first paragraph the it was most developed by Germans.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2864073]

>>2864064
>Thats even worse because you don't even have a space program
I think you still don't realize that I realize and hate that shortcoming of the country I live in. It is not my country. I live here.

[Anonymous No.2864074]

>>2864064

How the fuck does your logic work, thats like saying USA is behind Egypt because it doesnt have pyramids

[Anonymous No.2864082]

>>2864064

>Thinks Goddard did more than Von Braun

>laughinggirls.jpg

Also, you're forgetting all the other European rocket scientists. Even the Saturn V page says in the first paragraph that it was mostly developed by Germans.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.2864086]

>>2864067

You mean a radio telescope. The far side would block radio transmissions from Earth constantly, from Jupiter for four years every twelve, and from the Sun and Jupiter both in a small period. But there is no qualitative difference between an optical telescope pointed at the stars from the Moon's surface and one in orbit, although telescopes tend to work better when in low temperatures.

[Scia !!cjW58FjfJHZ No.2864090]

>>2864070
>Boeing, North American Aviation, Douglas Aircraft Company, and IBM as the lead contractors.

>Don't you know about your own rocket pioneer? Dr. Goddard was ahead of us all.
Wernher von Braun

>His rockets...may have been rather crude by present-day standards, but they blazed the trail and incorporated many features used in our most modern rockets and space vehicles
Wernher von Braun

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.2864095]

Oh and, fuck your space race nationalistic bullshit.

>"The only race worth winning is the human race."

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2864096]

>>2864095

[Scia !!cjW58FjfJHZ No.2864099]

>>2864073
Its your country whether you like it or not

[Anonymous No.2864104]

If america is so awesome why doesnt it have the best Hadron collider

check and mate

[Anonymous No.2864108]

>>2863923

Not you again. All you do is say how amazing America is when you've contributed nothing to it and just happened to have been born in that country. Grow up you pathetic sack of shit.

[Scia !!cjW58FjfJHZ No.2864105]

>>2864095
No citizenship for you then.

[Anonymous No.2864113]

>>2864099

You're pathetic. People who think they're better than someone else because of their nationality are hilariously ridiculous.

[Scia !!cjW58FjfJHZ No.2864115]

>>2864104
Why doesn't the LHC work then?

At least the tevatron is operational

[Anonymous No.2864117]

>>2864067
Undoubtedly you're right about the huge telescope, but huge telescope can be built on Earths orbit (like Hubble). Or even composed from larger number of smaller Hubble like telescopes (cheaper to manufacture and deliver).

Moon is only good if we are about to build and launch a spacecraft from it (or telescope array from Lunar materials - if it gets cheaper to mine them, process them and construct the telescope or spacecraft).

But except that I don't see any major advantage. Enlighten me if you know about something else.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2864114]

>>2864099
No, it isn't. I have more in common with people interested in the sciences in Europe and North America than people here. I don't participate in the culture or Australian holidays, and frankly, most countries have stupid, usually unlikeable people comprising the majority that I've realized that I don't belong to any country.

My country is the world, and my religion is to do good.
-- Thomas Paine

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2864121]

>>2864115
It's also due to be decommissioned later this year due to budget cuts.

OOOOOOH BUUURN

[Scia !!cjW58FjfJHZ No.2864124]

Goddard also invented the multi-stage rocket design and the liquid-fuel rocket.

[Anonymous No.2864127]

my dick is bigger derp

[Anonymous No.2864128]

>>2864115

7TeV collisions were going on last month. Problem?

[Anonymous No.2864131]

>>2864124

yes, if i remember rightly von braun wanted to make a fucking lolhuge giant rocket and landing the whole shit on the moon all in one stage.

[Scia !!cjW58FjfJHZ No.2864132]

>>2864113
Its not that im better I person is defined by his own accomplishments.

the USA is also better then Australia and Europe.

Im not saying that im better im saying the USA is.

[Anonymous No.2864133]

>>2864124

That's great, but if you want to make that argument it was the Germans that invented the rocket in the first place.

[Scia !!cjW58FjfJHZ No.2864140]

>>2864131
Also
> Goddard successfully applied three-axis control, gyroscopes and steerable thrust to rockets, all of which allow rockets to be controlled effectively in flight.

Goddard>Von Braun
even Von Braun admits it

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.2864134]

>>2864124

You are not Goddard's pupil, you are not in any way related to Goddard. You are so pathetic that you appeal to the lowest common denominator to leech some greatness from other people. Good going, nutjob. Enjoy your ur-fascism.

[Anonymous No.2864142]

>>2864132
>the USA is also better then Australia and Europe.
great science bro

[Anonymous No.2864143]

>>2864132

Ever compared the economies of Europe, Australia and the USA?

The EU alone has a larger economy than the US and it doesn't have most of its debts tied up in China. Australia has a larger GDP per capita than the US.

Problem?

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2864144]

>>2864132
If the USA is so good why doesn't it have single-payer healthcare (a necessity?)
Also you seem to ignore that its a very few intellectual minds that make your country successful. That isn't America. It's people that happened to be raised in America. Do you see the difference?

[Scia !!cjW58FjfJHZ No.2864149]

>>2864134
People keep saying that I am feeling Superior as a result of others accomplishments.

This is not the case.

[Anonymous No.2864151]

>>2864132

So why are you all "AMERICA FUCK YEAH" about it? If you have no relation to it I don't see why you're proclaiming it so much.

Oh, and before you go "my tax dollars paid for it" you might want to think exactly how much it will have paid for.

[Anonymous No.2864153]

>>2864144

Most of the ones that made America great weren't even born and raised there.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2864154]

>>2864149
You are feeling superior because you are an American which is great because some smart people that happened to be Americans invented some shit and did great things which contributed to the wealth your country is temporarily enjoying.

[Anonymous No.2864162]

>>2864132

in the case of going to the moon the USA is clearly superior to all other nations. it's important to realise that this doesn't make it "the best" nation. just how the man who is best at tennis in the world isn't the world's best man.

in the case of nations it's also important to consider why a nation exists. i would consider "the best" nation to be one with a balance of a high level of happiness, good medical care for all, a really good education system, low crime levels etc. i make these judgments based on what i think is important in my life. other people may have other opinions such as that it is more important for a nation to be militarily strong while the majority of its citizens struggle with huge personal debt. it's all subjective.

[Scia !!cjW58FjfJHZ No.2864167]

>>2864143
>>2864143
>Australia has a larger GDP per capita than the US
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
USA#6
Australia#9
>>2864143
the EU has a population of 200 million more people

its GDP per capita PPP is $29,729
Compared to the USA's GDP per capita PPP of $47,123

also the USA GDP PPP is $14.624 trillion
EU's GDP PPP is $14.793 trillion

200 million more people but only 169 billion more in GDP

pathetic

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2864178]

>>2864167
And yet, we still have single-payer healthcare and largely free or cheap universities.

[Anonymous No.2864177]

Scia dont you realize youre full of bullshit. Is it me are you saying european industry sucks because they havent made Human spacecraft?. Dont you realise that building stuff is only the last step and what really matters are the ideas and research itself?

Oh look what a marvelous rocket, MADE BY AMERICA, AND ONLY AMERICA!

Fuck off. you dont know shit.

[Anonymous No.2864175]

>>2864167

>Picks the most biased in favor of himself.

"There are lies, damned lies and statistics" - Disraeli

protip: I'm American and think you're talking horseshit.

[Anonymous No.2864176]

Funnily enough, since the shuttles are gone, Russia and Europe pretty much could run ISS on their own, America is reduced to nothing more than a big bowl of money

[Anonymous No.2864179]

>>2864167
well yeah but americans are fat and dumb.

[Anonymous No.2864180]

>>2864167
And yet we all live vastly more educated, healthier and longer lives. Go figure.

[Anonymous No.2864198]

Hey guys guess what?, My country is better, beacuse its richer!

[Scia !!cjW58FjfJHZ No.2864200]

>>2864177
> european industry sucks because they havent made Human spacecraft?

Well they tried and failed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermes_(spacecraft)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HOTOL

[Anonymous No.2864206]

>>2864200

>Implying Europe is one country.

If you think Europe wouldn't pound America into the ground if they were a single nation you're obviously clueless.

[Anonymous No.2864215]

>>2864177
> implying Moscow is not in Europe
the left will rise again

[Anonymous No.2864219]

Call me when we've got single stage to orbit.

[Scia !!cjW58FjfJHZ No.2864226]

>>2864180
EU average life expectancy=78.82 years
USA average life expectancy=78.4

good for for you live 5 months more on average
>more educated
Top 20 universities are mostly american and a couple British(which makes sense due to their smaller population)
>healthier
See picture

[Scia !!cjW58FjfJHZ No.2864230]

>>2864178
>largely free or cheap universities.

Enjoy your lower quality education faggot

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos No.2864233]

>>2864167
OH GOD NO NOT FACTS

MY LIBERAL MIND CAN'T ACCEPT FACTS THAT MY BIAS DOES NOT AGREE WITH

[Anonymous No.2864235]

>>2864230

lol, this is what americans actually believe

[Anonymous No.2864242]

>>2864226

OH YOU

British teeth are the best in the world according to studies.

http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=97358

I choose to link the forum because I like the first two posts.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2864245]

>>2864233
>liberal bias
You're literally retarded.

[Anonymous No.2864248]

>>2864226
> your mouth when USA does not have free dental care unlike most of Europe

[Anonymous No.2864254]

>>2864230

OH I WILL

Pic related.

Enjoy your liberal arts college, Americunt.

[Anonymous No.2864256]

>>2864233

Oh dear, I don't think you know what liberal means.

[Anonymous No.2864278]

The Ariane 5 rocket was designed to carry the Hermes shuttle that never happened so it's human rated even if it's never actually carried a human into space.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos No.2864316]

>>2864278
Ok so you have a booster

Where the spacecraft?

until you human rate the ATV no dice

[Anonymous No.2864332]

>mfw I think about how the UK is the only country ever to develop and then abandon launch capability
Politicians told us there was no profit in it and now we have one of the largest aerospace industries in the world and have to ship our satellites abroad for launch (though they would have been launched from Australia anyway). Black Arrow was a nice rocket too.

[Anonymous No.2864336]

>>2864316
Cheaper to use Russian vehicles.

[Anonymous No.2864349]

>>2864316

We can still tell it's you, you idiot.

[Scia !!cjW58FjfJHZ No.2864371]

>>2864349
Drat Iv'e been foiled again!

[снайпер No.2864373]

What can you expect
From filthy little heathens?
Their whole disgusting race is like a curse
Their skin's a hellish red
They're only good when dead
They're vermin, as I said
And worse

They're savages! Savages!

Barely even human

Savages! Savages!

Drive them from our shore!
They're not like you and me
Which means they must be evil
We must sound the drums of war!