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>post the best (or most mindfucking) ideas in science or that you have met. no repetition is allowed.

>> No.2850701

The fact that we may all just be a mind in a jar. I'm doing an assigment for it now for my major.

>> No.2850723

>>2850701
>post the best ideas in science

>/sci/ posts philosophical bullshit for which there is absolutely no scientific research

>> No.2850738

>>2850723
>no scientific proof
Your neural network could be up to up to a computer.

>> No.2850743

>>2850723

>brain=mind.
>skull=jar.
>eyes/ears/nose/ect=sensors.
>muscles and skeleton=method of locomotion.
>organs=support systems.

>> No.2850747

>>2850723
They owned you so fucking hard.

>> No.2850755

>>2850747
if you are serious, I guess I'm just gonna leave now.

im going to read PubMed. See you faggots later, or better yet, I hope I don't see you later.

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>>2850738
>>2850743

The win is strong in this thread

>> No.2850759

>take a copy of a man's mind
>encode all his neural data onto a "blank slate" brain
>kill the original guy
>with the guy still being alive

>> No.2850760

All electrons are constantly teleporting into and out of existence (on our dimension).

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>>2850755
Ragey McRager

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>Bunch of faggot electrons, protons and neutrons dicking around
>Throw a couple of extra protons in
>Suddenly a completely different substance
>MFW

>> No.2850763

I don't know about anyone else here, but the simple fact that the chemicals elements here are the same all over the universe still fucks my mind sometimes.

>> No.2850770

>>2850738
>>2850743
>>2850757

>In philosophy, the brain in a vat is an element used in a variety of thought experiments intended to draw out certain features of our ideas of knowledge, reality, truth, mind, and meaning The brain-in-a-vat is a contemporary version of the argument given in Plato's Allegory of the Cave, Zhuangzi's "Zhuangzi dreamed he was a butterfly", and the deceiving demon in René Descartes' Meditations on First Philosophy.

yep, sounds like science to me. forgive me for being so ignorant

>> No.2850773

>>2850763
How? Isn't that to be expected since the processes that made them were similar across the Universe?

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2850782

>Powerful weapon in the hands of the enemy
>Stranded, with no hope
>Lol, nevermind, Kirk was just trolling Khan and the Enterprise is just fine
>MFW

Alpha as fuck.

>> No.2850779

Wheeler's idea that we're all locked in a sort of cycle creating and simultaneously perceiving the Universe. That shared creation and perception is the fundamental strata of the Universe,

>> No.2850789

>>2850779
I find it hard to be impressed by ideas with no supporting evidence. Interesting to think about, but hardly 'mindfucking'

>> No.2850795

That we're all made of matter created in the explosion of gigantic stars formed after the big bang

we're fucking stardust you pricks!

>> No.2850805

how impossibly insignificant and small I am. Our planet is. When compared to the vastness of space and the breadth of time. I'm getting all nihilistic just thinking about it.

but yet we're the only sentient life we've ever detected. We could be alone out here, or perhaps the first race to develop. I dont know it just sort of fills me with a sense of wonder and a hope that we wont kill ourselves before colonizing the galaxy.

>> No.2850827

in the next 10 years the governments will admit to a whole new complexness of our universe and then you will see.

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when you really think about it, how fucking ridiculously amazing the process of evolution is in creating DNA replicating factories so incredibly complex and varied, yet the basic premise is so simple.

the complexity and interdependence of all the organ systems in the human body.

oh, and tits.

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2850846

The whole universe might just be a giant cellular automaton.

>> No.2850854

Godel's incompleteness theorem

time

>> No.2850863

>A few proteins, ions and chemical compounds
>Potassium, Calcium and Sodium moving in and out of some channels
> Consciousness is produced.

Seriously, it's just a few ions moving around. HOW?!

>> No.2850876

>>2850863
>a few

more like a few trillion

>> No.2850889

>>2850876
It's not the number that's important, it's the fact that they are just binding/unbinding and moving about and that somehow makes me think.

>> No.2850892

the internet

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>>2850782
>I'll never be as Alpha as Kirk

>> No.2850902

>>2850889
>It's not the number that's important


wrong again faggot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence

>> No.2850903

http://youtu.be/62us_JC59HA

Jump to the 48 minute mark where they start talking about cosmology and mathematics. Good doc if you're into Horizon stuff, definitely worth watching the whole thing if you have an hour to kill (which you're on /sci/ so you do)

>> No.2850907

>>2850876

this.

but the fact that something seemingly so mundane as electrolytes and membrane potential patterns can lead to human consciousness and achievement.

>> No.2850909

2-dimensional universe
holographic principle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHgi6E1ECgo

>> No.2850920

>>2850902
>Implying it's any less amazing
>Implying you're not just being pedantic

A million, several trillion, whatever, it's still really mundane yet the end result is incredible.

>> No.2850949

>>2850760
>>All electrons are constantly teleporting into and out of existence (on our dimension).

What the fuck do you mean by "our dimension"? Do you mean the 4 spacetime dimensions? Do you mean something else? Where exactly did you hear this? Does it have anything to do with string theory?

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>>2850920
>implying you looked at or understood my link.

>pic related, its how the universe works, the brain is not an anomaly:
>Water crystals forming on glass demonstrate an emergent natural process, where a high level of organizational structure is crafted directly by the random motion of water molecules.

>> No.2850962 [DELETED] 

The real explanation is 100% more far fetched than religion.

>> No.2850988

The fact that Sergei Avdeyev is living .2 seconds in the future.

>> No.2851018

>>2850988
Is he living in the future, or are we living in the past?

>> No.2851038

>>2850903
many internets to whoever can tell me where that song starting at 48:30ish is from

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>>2850988
>>2851018

>> No.2851105
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>>2851018

>> No.2851121

Relativity, quantum mechanics.

wtfamireading.avi

>> No.2851129

The actual present is unseeable.

>> No.2851150

>>2850988
0.02, not 0.2

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>>2851018

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>>2851018

>> No.2851201

>>2850950
>[citation needed]

>> No.2851217

>>2850988
HES LIVING IN THE FUTURE SO HIS PRESENT IS THE PAST

HIS PRESENCE IS A PRESENCE KISS HIS ASS

>> No.2851224

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonatite

Carbonatitic volcanoes spewing carbon rich lava that sometimes has viscosity less than that of water. Finding lava this rich in carbon is almost analogous to finding a pool of liquid fresh water in the middle of the ocean.

>> No.2851235

Man. They just don't teach relativity anymore, do they?

>> No.2851281

>>2851150
You are correct, forgot the extra 0.

>> No.2851334

i thought this was going to be a better thread >.>

>> No.2851359

Goedel's Incompleteness Theorem.

It's implications on any axiomatic system are humbling.

Oh, or the idea that infinity comes in different sizes.

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It's fucking incredible and mindblowing that we, collections of particles, are aware of particles. That particles ended up arranging themselves to become aware of themselves...

>> No.2851424 [DELETED] 

God


you mad?

>> No.2851432

gravity is a fictitious force. observing it is only due to the curvature of spacetime.

>> No.2851517

>>2851235
no they don't because people think wave-particle duality actually means something other than an omission of ignorance

>> No.2851533

god is a lie

>> No.2851535

>>2851517
..and it's only something that applies to really, really, really tiny atoms and particles, oh yeah and bucky balls too if you want to get all technical and bring that up.

>> No.2851545

magnets

>> No.2851551

I mindfucked when I first learned: The Earth is hollow, with an inner sun
and a more advanced civilization than ours.
In fact, all planets are hollow and have inner
suns. Some of the Inner Earth people are
aware of Earth's outer surface, and others
are not.

>> No.2851560

>>2851551
0/10

>> No.2851564

>>2851533
Godel's incompleteness theorem
what isn't?

>> No.2851589

http://www.glafreniere.com/

All matter could just be standing waves of energy from the aether

>> No.2852682

the idea of digitizing the brain

>> No.2852772

>>2851382
whoa

>> No.2854966

the game

>> No.2855028

That nothing in nature actually follows any 'laws' at all. All the complexity and laws are simply human impositions on an infinitely regressing details.

The cannonball doesn't follow laws of motion; it just 'is'.

>> No.2855050

>>2855028
It's true that reality does not act upon such "laws," but that doesn't mean that said "laws" are incapable of reflecting reality. It's just a way of modeling the world around us.

>> No.2855076

>>2851432
holy shit

>> No.2855087

All mathematic operations can be represented as a sum / series of sums.

>> No.2855091

>>2855050
I agree with you completely, but those laws aren't a integral to nature. They're just an imposition.

Some say that the universe is too complicated for us to understand. I disagree, the universe is quite simple, it exists. Our impositions on it become complex, not the universe.

>> No.2855110

Quantum mechanics says that the reality may be formed by a simple particle.

>> No.2855115

>>2855091
it's not an imposition, it is a model towards a description
it's better to say it's complex and keep looking than to say 'it just is, lol'

>> No.2855129

>>2855110
my mom says i shouldn't talk to strangers

>> No.2855183

>>2855129
If this is right, there's not such thing as strangers. We are all Anonymous.

>> No.2855215

Low temperature superconductors work because there is an attractive force between pairs of electrons caused by the exchange of virtual phonons.

That you can easily make your own cloud chamber and observe electron trails.

That electrons in a metal can be approximated fairly well as free particles with masses differing from the electron mass.

That we can make atoms "cold" with lasers.

There are lots of others I could think of, but this is god enough for now.

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>>2851432

My mind is officially fucked.

>> No.2855320

>>2855115
Of course, it's better to keep looking than to give up; 'giving up' is just 'religion'. I'm a scientist myself, the act of looking is glorious and life-affirming.

But I'm of the opinion that the further we look, me more complex it will become. I don't think there will every be a Grand Unified Theory of Everything.

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>2 of 'em
I always loved the 2P electron orbitals, because you could make the lobes any size for any probability of the single electon's location, but the electron always had zero probability of crossing the plane between the lobes.

>second
What if aging is a disease caused by genome-integrating virus we just haven't identified yet, a virus that infects all living things, causing symptoms of telomere erosion, cross-linking of proteins etc, that lead to all the observable effects of aging.

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>>2855028

>he thinks he knows what 'is'

>> No.2856942

All matter* is 99% empty space.

There is a possibility that our entire universe is inside one electron of an atom of a much bigger universe that is inside an electron of the atom of another larger universe.

>> No.2856959

Time is an illusion. The universe is actually static, movement and the passage of time are illusions. From "The end of Time." written by Julian Barbour, and noted Physicist.

>> No.2856971

>>2856942

I have begun to believe this given how explosions in space mimic the exact shape of pi electron orbitals.

>> No.2856990

>>2856942

According to QM all matter occupies all of space at the same time.

>> No.2856991

If gravity only effects matter, then how does a black hole pull in light?

Photons don't have any mass....

>> No.2856992

LIGHT IS JUST EM FIELDS is still my favorite idea.

>> No.2857013

>>2856763
I think aging happens regardless, due to wear and tear, but some aging processes are the result of genes.

Second, death is an adaptation. It allows a population to replace itself over and over, changing with its environment, rather than remaining constant and possibly becoming unfit for survival.

>> No.2857015

>>2856991
Gravity is actually a curve in space. The light is going straight, but the curve is banked. Straight points a different direction on a banked curve.

>> No.2857023

>>2856991
>>2856991

Black holes fuck with the very fabric of time and space itself. It might not be able to 'pull' the cars off the highway, it will rip up the entire map and bend the lanes themselves.

>> No.2857042

>>2857013
>death is an adaptation
>implying there once were immortal beings who adapted by developing the ability to die

>> No.2857044

>>2857042
>the first prokaryotes

>> No.2859097

i'm scared

>> No.2859156

The fact that my dog and I are cousins and that if I go back millions of years, there will be a great-great-(...)-great-granpa to us both.

>> No.2859316

That every form of intelligence is just a number of 'stupid' subunits working together.

>> No.2859411

>>2859156

You could either use a re-introduction to evolution or a hammer to the skull. Or both.

>> No.2859423

The irrefutable fact that God, the almighty created us.

>> No.2859435

>>2859411

But there is a common ancestor to all mammals.

>> No.2859443

>>2859435

Precisely.

>> No.2859476

>>2859411
>>2859411
I feel pretty stupid, but what is your reasoning? I feel I am lacking some understanding of this concept, but cannot be fucked to watch all of khans videos on it?

>> No.2859539

Pretty soft as science goes, but quite interesting all the same.

The initial enlargement of protohuman brains was most likely an adaptation against heat stroke, and not for intelligence. The specialization of the (initially) mostly redundant new regions came later and was an evolutionary afterthought of sorts, if one that payed off handsomely.

It's particularly appealing as a kind of irreducible complexity argument in reverse - adaptations that many creationists argue couldn't appear in the sophisticated form they exist in and would be useless if less developed, might have served a different role at some point, and by sheer coincidence those preadaptations could be tweaked for a whole new purpose.

>> No.2859566

>>2850699

Ever heard of the no-hair-theorem? Lee Smolin came up with an idea to explain why our natural constants are the way they are (fine-tuning problem, pretty interesting).

Black holes are characterised by mass, charge and angular momentum. Elementary particles are characterised by the same properties.
So more or less, particles and black holes could be the same things.

This being mindfuckery by itself, he also concluded it might be possible that black holes bear another universe in them, with slightly different constants then our universe has.
What would happen is that universes with constants that allow large ammounts of black holes being created are preferred, somehow like a universal evolution.

I really like this idea. I don´t think it describes reality though.

>> No.2859586

>>2859539

Our species is fortunate.

>> No.2859595

The fact that I can lie.
The fact that I can talk with other people about something that both of us don't know, like when looking at a mountain and wondering what is there at the other side.
The fact that I can understand sarcasm.

>> No.2859607

>99% of an Atom is empty space, the reason things feel solid is because of the field repelling your atoms

blew my mind

>> No.2859621

There exists a Hamiltonian operator whose distribution of energy states is the same as distribution of zeros of Riemann zeta function.

>> No.2859629

>>2859566

That´s interesting. Does it state anything about how the mother universe dies?

>> No.2859635

>>2859539
On the note of human adaptations - too often people think our brains and opposable thumbs are the most important of those and we're otherwise helpless among other predators.

Any properly fit human can run a marathon in 35 degrees Celsius. Except equines, pretty much no other animal could survive that. Humans are the fucking terminator, a relentless, never tiring predator who hunted in the hottest savannah hours for millions of years.

>> No.2859712

>>2859635

We´re also the best walkers on earth. If our area gets fucked up, we can just walk north or south to better climates, if that was necessary.
We can also eat almost anything, even stones (some people actually do this).

>> No.2859727

>>2859712
there are thousands of migratory species

>> No.2859768

>>2859712
We're quite omnivorous indeed, but not all that much. We lost (didn't need) the ability to synthesize several amino acids, because we hunted enough meat that it didn't matter.

>> No.2859794

>>2859727

Sure, but we´re the best at it.

>>2859768

Agree. We learned to coonserve our ability to synthesize the ingredients of animal milk though, which is quite cool and a nice piece of evidence for evolution.

>> No.2859807

the fact that trolling is an evolutionary adaptation

>> No.2859815

>>2859794
What we learned to do is in fact not lose the ability to digest milk with age. It proved an advantage because we domesticated milk-producing animals.

On that note, the ability has its origins in white populations.

>> No.2859849

That electrons behave differently based on whether you will see what they did, after they had done it.

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>> No.2859885

>>2859815

Yeah, that´s what i meant with "conserve".

>> No.2859890

>>2859849

> implying Copenhagen interpretation is the only and best

>> No.2859896

>>2859885
Yeah, but it has nothing to do with
>synthesize the ingredients of animal milk

>> No.2859906

>>2859896

digest would have been the correct word there.

>> No.2859963

>>2859890

>Implying interpretations matter when you see something as mindfuckingly mindfucking as that.

>> No.2860139

Simple physical fact, but it blew my mind when I first realized it back in high school.

Using a pressure pump, the highest level you can pump liquid water to in one go is limited by the temperature.

>> No.2860978

>>2859635
>Humans are the fucking terminator, a relentless, never tiring predator who hunted in the hottest savannah hours for millions of years.

My dick just grew two inches.

>> No.2861185

the fact that i'm living / exist / think / perceive / am
in this
rather than in any other 'reality'

>> No.2861213

quantum mechanical systems are described by a time dependent diffusion of probability density.

>> No.2861432

bump?

>> No.2861457

>>2861213
Bump time.