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2828189 No.2828189 [Reply] [Original]

How do you imagine an Earth-Mars interplanetary internet would work?

Exactly the same as between countries, except with a 20 minute lag? (when earth and mars are furthest away from each other).

Issues arise when a Martian tries to change a wiki, then as the information is en route to Earth, someone on Earth changes it too.

How do you imagine such technological issues would be overcome?

>> No.2828197

The martians will have their own internet

>> No.2828203

>>2828197
How would you propose information be exchanged?
The interplanetary facebook for example.

>> No.2828223

Mule trains.


Most likely a laser communications array of some sort.

>> No.2828231
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>>2828197

>mfw I study to become an astronaut just to be the first man to cum like olympus mons from martian porn

>> No.2828237

The martians would probably have their own version of the Internet, and anything that happens on one is sent to the other and updated. So if the Martian wanted to watch a youtube video, it would load without the 20 minute lag because he is using the Mars based internet. Then when he goes to comment on it, the comment instantly appears on the Mars based Internet, but takes 20 minutes to appear on the Earth based Internet.

>> No.2828236

>>2828189
>Issues arise when a Martian tries to change a wiki, then as the information is en route to Earth, someone on Earth changes it too.

Stock market traders fight tooth and nail for a 1ms advantage for their servers, this 'problem' has already been overcome i suppose.

We would need a new network protocol, IPv6 connections time out after so long, and really great at handling packetloss with a 20 minute lag, but thats about it.

>> No.2828239

>>2828236
*and aren't really great

>> No.2828244

I present a different option: When interplanetary travel/colonization is possible, theres going to emerge a large split in our society. Even though interplanetary travel is possible, it will not be cheap nor easy. It will be as if the pilgrims and early immigrants were as they sailed the oceans. Once you go to mars, you don't come back. There will be those who choose to stay on earth, to keep the traditions of their ancestors alive. Those who choose to travel to mars will be like our American ancestors. They chose to lead their own life. Both Planets will evolve separately and have no need for interplanetary internet.
Basically what I am saying is all the conservative ignorant fags will stay on earth and all the cool progressive mind expanding people will go to mars. The planets will want to have nothing to do with each other. Fuck earth.

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>>2828231
>mfw Olympus Mons hasn't erupted in millions of years

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>>2828237

>> No.2828253

Information stored and uploaded to satellite, where it is sent in a major burst of information.
Captured by earth satellite, beamed to earth.

And vice versa.

Extra satellites orbiting the sun for when information must be routed around when there isn't a direct line of sight, though this isn't likely to happen very often.

>> No.2828255

take all the servers and put them in orbit exactly halfway between earth and mars. reduces it to a 10 minute lag for each.

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>>2828245

>mfw i cause it to erupt by ejaculating directly into its core

>> No.2828257

>>2828255

>implying mars and earth are on synchronized orbit

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>>2828256
>mfw volcanoes don't have cores

>> No.2828263

>>2828237
That's how the earth internet works, servers in each country. Large companies perform updates to all servers at relatively the same time.

>> No.2828268

>>2828244
Just like how america has nothing to do with europe?

>> No.2828275

Well, I think it's safe to assume that for major websites like whatever the youtube and facebook of the Mars colony's days are, there would be Mars servers as well as Earth servers that would connect to each other to share information but each side would host its own websites, and there would probably just be godawful lag between the two, which would also probably be the case for browsing small websites only hosted on the other side. However there will also probably be vastly more memory available on personal computers so once the interplanetary technology advances to become widely available visiting a website will probably download all associated pages to allow you to further explore links without the delay.

>> No.2828281

I imagine people will commonly track the distance between earth-mars and relish the chances when there is the least lag, so they can have better conversations with their martian-earth(an?) friends/family.

>> No.2828290

TACHYONS, TACHYONS EVERYWHERE

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>>2828261

>mfw mars has a core
>mfw I suck at using pronouns

>> No.2828297

So I couldnt play halo with someone on mars then...

:(

>> No.2828298

If you think that's bad, just wait until we try interstellar internet, receiving information on our colonies that is years old, probably finding that they've declared independence by the time we start receiving their stream of information.

>> No.2828300

>>2828268
Europe may have penis envy of the USA, but over here in the states, we don't ever talk about you. At the most you may have a sidenote in a newspaper somewhere. All you are to us is the place the got fucked twice by the germans, and have been our lapdogs ever since. Sorry Europe, but you're just not relevant.

captcha: topth political

>> No.2828302

>>2828290
tachyons are only hypothetical, also, they wouldn't be able to carry information.

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>>2828289
>mfw magma doesn't come from the core of a planet, but rather from the mantle

>> No.2828305

>>2828297
Sure you could, just make sure you're running the server.

Player 1 kills Player 2
20mins later
"FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!"

>> No.2828306

>>2828255
No, it would take ten minutes to go from earth to server, and another ten to make it to mars.

>> No.2828313

>>2828300
>implying I'm european.

Ask a politician if what happens in other countries is important to him.

>> No.2828317

Conversations would be horrible.
When the planets are furthest from each other, you'd be waiting around 40 minutes for a reply.

Still better than snail mail though. I feel sorry for those that were forced to use it.

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2828323

NASA here,

been testing this stuff since '09

OP, in light of your post, here's the Wiki on DTN

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delay-tolerant_networking

>> No.2828325

>>2828305
It would be a 40 minute delay. 20 minutes to reach the Earth server, 20 minutes back.

>> No.2828328

>>2828313
Your nationality still does not change the fact that I am right. Your failed attempt at a distracting rouse has not deterred me. You know as well as I do that the interior politics and welfare of any country comes before foreign policy. You would do yourself well by staying out of the conversation and discontinuing your charade of intellect. the regurgitated memes you spew from your gut only serve to discredit you.

>> No.2828331

>>2828328
you mad

>> No.2828333

What's the minimal lag you could get?

For instance, what would have been the delay in August of 2003? The time that mars was at its closest to earth.

>> No.2828334

>>2828237
>>2828248
something like this, most likely. there would be rehosting services local to each planet, for people who could afford it, and it would be so cheap as to be mostly standard. the interplanetary backbone would serve only these rehosting services.

>> No.2828338

>>2828305
>Player 2 has been kicked (ping too high)

>> No.2828342

>>2828325
right,
20mins before player 2 realised he died
a further 20mins before player 1 heard the "FFFFUUUU!!!"

>> No.2828345

>>2828189
Hi, OP!
I don't know if someone has beaten me to it yet, but the answer is that our Internet is really slow out here. HUGE lag due to the distance.

>> No.2828352

I'm curious what the lag right now would be...

>opens celestia

Planets are almost opposite to each other at the moment.

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2828363

We will have quantum instant internet with teleportation and shit. I

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2828367

Huge database on mars storing and auto updating everything they think a martian will view based on history, it will then try to guess what will be viewed predictively. This will be limited by storage capacity. New page requests will take 20 minutes to load along with updates to pages. The entire martion network will be streamed to earth. Legislation will require websites to offer the use of encrypted keys to verify someones identity rather than captchas and the like. Early mars web surfers will have a team in india who will enter captchas for them and aid in scenarios where webpages time out.

Mars to earth communications will happen via relay satellites using lasers.


Early mars will have one central communications hub where the internet is stored. It will then be distributed by microwave repeaters to other bases within range and by communications satellites when they are not in range. Every base on mars will have an low bandwidth rf link directly to earth for backup communication.

>> No.2828366

>>2828363
No... no we will not.

>> No.2828364

>>2828345
I see what you did there...

>> No.2828382

Just wait until we colonise a few of jupiter's moons, you'll be waiting a while then.

>> No.2828398

As time goes on, people are using fewer and fewer websites. All the major sites will have seperate servers on mars.

Sure, a lot of things will have a delay, but it will work just fine, assuming we adapt to a delay-tolerant networking protocol.

>> No.2828407

>>2828398
Just scrape the pages that you want and poop that out with your delay tolorent shit, no need to delay tolorent up the real web.

>> No.2828417

>>2828407
You won't have a choice in the matter. Adapt or risk being left behind.

>> No.2828429

What about entanglement? Fairly large strides have been made recently.

>> No.2828434

>>2828189

We computer scientists are OK with 20-minute race conditions

>> No.2828471

>>2828429
entanglement doesn't mean what you think it means.

consider a triangle. Points A,B and C are the corners.

Point A sends out the exact same data down fiber optic cables to point B and C (consider this an epically huge triangle, taking light around 10mins to reach each point).

Distance AB = 5 light minutes
Distance AC = 5 light minutes
Distance BC = 15 light minutes

When B recieves the information, they straight away know what information C has recieved. It can be said they recieved information about data at C faster than the speed of light.

Quantum entanglement is not: "You alter the state of a particle, and the other particle changes with it"

>> No.2828476

>>2828434
Speak for yourself. I prefer no UB, reusability, extensibility, etc.

>> No.2828482

>>2828471

In a completely non-sarcastic fashion- thank you for not being a dick and actually explaining it.

>> No.2828510

>>2828471
Ignore the part where I say
>10mins to reach each point
I clearly contradicted myself in the next line.

>> No.2828538

>>2828471
Mostly right.
Here's some additional information.

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement

>> No.2828552

>>2828471
>Distance AB = 5 light minutes
>Distance AC = 5 light minutes
>Distance BC = 15 light minutes

BC > AB + AC

>> No.2828561

>>2828237
Basically this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_server#Caching

>> No.2828581

>>2828552
Therefore it's not an equilateral triangle?
I purposefully made it an isosceles triangle.

>> No.2828589

>>2828552
Wait, no nevermind, I completely see where I went wrong, now I feel like an idiot.

But I'm sure people can see despite that idiotic mistake, the point that I was trying to get across.

>> No.2828593

>>2828471
Change the example
Distance AB = 5 light minutes
Distance AC = 5 light minutes
Distance BC = 8 light minutes

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>>2828366
How could you possibly know

>> No.2828653

emails, emails everywhere

>> No.2828685

Would love to download some Mars porn.

>> No.2828734

>>2828323
> DTN
I read the Wiki page and a quarter of RFC 5050 and I still don't understand how it will be done.

> 1. Bundle protocol application server
> 2. Peer application nodes
> 3. Sensor network nodes
> 4. Dedicated bundle router (page 9-10)
What will be the nodes? Where will it be placed?
> mfw I just wanted to take a peek at /sci/ and saw this thread

>> No.2828787

>>2828367
>Huge database on mars storing and auto updating everything they think a martian will view based on history

i want my fucking privacy

>> No.2828797

I assume each planet would have separate internets, and the only form of communication that would really work between them is email.

>> No.2829012

>>2828300

>Implying America ever get a mention more than that in European life.
>Implying Europe isn't economically superior to America.
>Implying he wasn't talking about how they do have inter-relations, which is what is relevant to this conversation.
>Implying you're not an insecure faggot who uses his nationality to justify his pathetic existence.

>> No.2829045

Play Mass Effect, OP. It's in the codex.

>> No.2829081

when mars and earth are closest to each other it's only like a 3 min lag.

>> No.2829089

>>2829045
This is what I thought every time I looked at this thread.

>> No.2829118

well have to invent instantaneous transmission and teleport the information constantly. its the only solution, dude

>> No.2829157

htiptp://interplanetary-cache.co.mars/www.4chan.org/sci/

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>>2829089
Awww yeah.
>brofist.jpg

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Like this, just a shorter stick. They would use two of them and send instantaneous binary messages to the other planet's servers.

>> No.2830516

>>2830509
>implying that would work

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i just lol'd so hard thinking how an /sp/ thread might turn out if there is ever a mars vs earth sports game