/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.2799007]

let me play out a scenario for you, /sci/

>sea dragon rocket designed and a few are built
>mars base designed, in pieces, to land as individual parts and assemble on the surface, included in these "mobile buildings" is a small automated plant that generates hydrogen and oxygen from the local soil and atmosphere

>pack this self assembling mars base into a sea dragon launch, which can lift 550 tons in one go.

>you would probably only need two sea dragon launches to get a full-blown self sustainable science station on mars.

>launch humans by way of a large, rotating ship, assembled in orbit from the extra space left in those sea dragon launches. You'd have enough capacity for weight to make it a flying fucking hotel

>team arrives on mars and can stay there indefinitely, probably have an orbital laser communication array to communicate with earth lickety split and with high data throughput.

>they leave by way of the fuel generated on-base whenever they want

>the entire project costs about the same as the ISS, maybe.

we really could get a nice permanent foothold on mars in ten years for not much cash up-front, most of the stuff we need already exists, it just needs to be engineered into a portable package. And motherfucking SEA DRAGON makes it possible

[Anonymous No.2799015]

you forgot about the fact that congress are cheap asses, and composed mostly of people who believe in god and racism

[Anonymous No.2799022]

>>2799015
>implying believing in god and funding nasa are mutually exclusive
in practice they are
which irritates me as a catholic

[Anonymous No.2799024]

Human transport is a lot more tricky than using two used up missiles. Magnetosphere does a shit ton to make the earth habitable.

Red Mars is basically what you're describing and probably what would come of it.

[Anonymous No.2799030]

>>2799022
As much as the Pope tacitly condoning pedophilia?
As much as Catholicism supporting untenable birth control and family planning ideas in the past?

You're smoking crack if Catholicism makes any sense on any level. You're probably just a troll.

[Anonymous No.2799037]

>>2799030
You really don't know what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.2799038]

>>2799024
oh, the mars base wouldn't be a colony, just a mostly-permanent base

but that's the beauty of sea dragon, with SO MUCH weight capacity, you could really go nuts with the stuff you pack, no pesky weight limits.

i mean shit, you could get toshiba to design a smaller version of their 4s nuclear reactor, and run the mars base on it! you could do a LOT of shit with 10 megawatts

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toshiba_4S

[Anonymous No.2799041]

>>2799030
sounds like someone needs a source

[Anonymous No.2799048]

what's with all the sea dragon wankery?
i like it

[Anonymous No.2799192]

>>2799007

>>7 times earths gravity.
>>7 Times.

Your now dead.
/Thread and good day to you faggot.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2799200]

>>2799192
What the fuck, where did 7 times earth gravity come from?

[Anonymous No.2799216]

>>2799200
safe to assume they meant the rockets take off from the ground

to bad there was no mention of organics on board to get squished though...

the humans get an orbit built ship to start from

[Anonymous No.2799226]

>>2799192
>>2799200
>>2799216

7G isn't death, it's blackout. Anyways, a human can stand 20+ without even blacking out if you get rid of the airspaces... say if you fill the astronaut's lungs and sinuses with fluid

I believe it may be possible to do this without killing them

[Anonymous No.2799260]

Sea Dragon is a shitty idea and you should feel bad for suggesting it.

[Anonymous No.2799302]

>>2799226
care to elaborate ?

[Anonymous No.2799333]

>>2799302

Some fluids such as perfluorocarbons can function in place of air in the respiratory system. This has actually been studied in some depth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_breathing

I don't think it would be very hard to implement this system in the ship, and it would certainly fix the G force and vibration problem.

[Anonymous No.2800454]

>>2799192
holy shit no, the astronauts don't ride in the sea dragon, no way in HELL that's ever going to be a crew carrier

they could probably bum a ride off a spaceX rocket

[Axel the Possum No.2800467]

You don't need the crew to go up in a Sea Dragon; you can send them up in any old system. The Sea Dragon is important for getting cargo up there, which is the big obstacle. Build a ship down here on Earth that can be built in a modular manner up in orbit. Shoot it up there on Sea Dragons, and then send the crew up by whatever alternative means you need.

Only problem as I see it is radiation. You need some way to keep the crew shielded on a trip to Mars, and, unless we can figure some way to include an electromagnetic shield and a means to power it....

[Anonymous No.2800681]

>>2800467
toshiba 4S to the rescue!
or something similar

a small nuclear power plant could easily induce a strong enough magnetic field for a VERY long period.

but with such a massive weight capacity, you really could just shield the fuck out of the crew cabin.

100 tons of steel plating? fuck it, shoot it up on a sea dragon

[Anonymous No.2800690]

i always found the sea dragon design somewhat.....crass....but damn if it doesn't look like itll work

[Anonymous No.2802616]

>>2800690
this is space colonization, not a fucking painting, bitch