/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.2793645]

Feels bad man ;_;

[Anonymous No.2793654]

>>2793645
>implying we won't reach singularity in our life time and live forever through machines

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2793659]

http://www.hplusmagazine.com/articles/forever-young/manhattan-beach-project-end-aging-2029

http://www.sens.org/sens-research/research-themes

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3329065877451441972#

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/101128/full/news.2010.635.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/nov/28/scientists-reverse-ageing-mice-humans

Brb, purchasing everything from Valles Marineris to the Tharsis mountains

[Anonymous No.2793672]

gonna post this every time

Always I wanna bee with you
And run from bees with you

[Anonymous No.2793681]

ITT: people completely missing the point
>Inurdaes
Everything makes sense now.

[Anonymous No.2793685]

>>2793654
>implying we will

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2793745]

>>2793681
Ehehe

[Anonymous No.2793753]

>>2793659
>>2793654
I lol at these because you actually think you'll be able to afford those things when they appear. You think that whoevers in charge will actually want you to live forever. You're also assuming your luck is good enough to prevent you from getting hit by a car.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2793763]

>>2793753
>I lol at these because you actually think you'll be able to afford those things when they appear.
I lol that you think that the elite will be able to have it all to themselves before billions of people rip them limb from limb
>You think that whoevers in charge will actually want you to live forever.
Fluoride in the water, 9/11 was an inside job, never went to the moon etc
>You're also assuming your luck is good enough to prevent you from getting hit by a car.
It certainly isn't bad enough to definitely hit by a car.

[Anonymous No.2793764]

>>2793645
Don't worry OP, you might be the dormant Emprah himself. Maybe you just conked your head on something a few decades back. It'll all come back to you.

My liege.

[Anonymous No.2793765]

>>2793659

There's a significant likelyhood that at first, only the rich, and at rich middle class can afford it. But im fairly sure it will eventually become cheap enough for the middle class of the western countries to afford. Lets just hope it does so in our time.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2793766]

>>2793765
The price will be driven down phenomenally fast.

[Anonymous No.2793771]

>>2793763
whatever you need to believe to convince yourself.

If you need to keep believing the future will be good in order to cope with your lonely life, then I wont take that away from you (or really, you wont let anyone take it).

You might as well start praying and attending church.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2793772]

>>2793771
>I show that your objections were bullshit
>lol whatever keep being an idiot might as well go to church

Stay classy /sci/.

[Anonymous No.2793777]

>>2793772
>>I show that your objections were bullshit
all you did was give me your unconvincing opinions. I've been on sci long enough to know that this won't go anywhere. So i just finished off the convo.

Feel free to keep arguing though. I don't mind reading your ramblings.

[Anonymous No.2793785]

>>2793771
The majority of facts point towards a brighter future, not towards a more dystopian one.

You need to sample a large portion of news sources, not just the more pessimistic ones.

While you do so, would you like some honey in your tea?
How about cream?

[Anonymous No.2793790]

>>2793785
Tea gives me headaches.

>he puts cream in tea
>_>

[Anonymous No.2793800]

This is a fucking Warhammer thread, not a hippie wishful thinking of longevity thread.

You people have some serious comprehension issues.

[Anonymous No.2793803]

>>2793772
>No argument
Stay classy, Inurdaes.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2793804]

>>2793800
Then perhaps you should go to /v/. /sci/ is for hippie wishful thinking of longevity people.

[Anonymous No.2793807]

>>2793800
>OP implies natural human lifespan
>Sci uses /sci/ence to reason whether it exists or not

Stay classy, outsider from TG.

[Anonymous No.2793809]

>>2793800
>not hippie longevity
>smurfs live for millennia
>dreadnaughts live for tens of millennia
>eldar
>necrons
>orks
>primarchs
>C'tan
>tau ethereals
>'nid mivehind
>mfw I have no face

[Anonymous No.2793822]

>Implying that the rich who own both the weapons and politicians have something to fear from ordinary people.
Rich will do anything they can to make maximum amount of money with minimal effort.
This can already be seen at prices of medicines. Many deceases could be cured with simple drugs but they wont because of:
1) More profits if they sell only temporary solutions not complete cures
2) Poor can't afford them
If this magical "live forever" drug would be invented during this century it would surely be:
very expensive = only for the rich
small doses, as in buy 5 more years with this pill. This would mean that if for some reason you would loose your job you loose this drug also.

[Anonymous No.2793825]

What I wanna know is where the fuck is my cure for baldness? How can we clone entire living organisms but not hair follicles?

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2793826]

>>2793822
One question.

Who holds up the rich? The masses.
Do you think the masses want to die?
Do you think there won't be global scale riots if it is withheld? You think the first country that makes it a legal right for every one of its citizens to get the treatment won't become a superpower practically overnight?

[Anonymous No.2793832]

>>2793826
you keep overestimating humans.
stop it.

Humans have no reason to riot as long as they're fed and reasonably comfortable.
Yeah, they'll feel cheated if the rich can out live them, but they'll continue living their lives. At most, it'll boil down to a few peaceful protests and angry websites.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2793837]

>>2793832
>Humans have no reason to riot as long as they're fed and reasonably comfortable.
Except the possibility of a treatment that would stave off the oblivion of death.
I'm just going to wait until around 2030 and go 'I told you so.'

[Anonymous No.2793848]

>>2793826
>Do you think the masses want to die?
They are dying as we speak. Thousands of people die because of diseases that could be cured. But why?
Because they can't afford the drugs to cure them.
Why do you think this drug that fixes problems of aging would be any different from all the rest of life saving drugs?

Rich have weapons to deal with small uprisings anyway.

Also you have to realize that curing aging doesn't fix for example you memory. This means that you can't
go much higher that normally even though you don't die. If nobody dies there can't be people born. This will
halt all new mids from coming to existance. You are left with people that don't die and no new people born.
At first this will save cost because we don't need schools but in the long term this will end in disaster.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2793856]

>>2793848
There's a difference between a few million people with AIDS and EVERYONE IN THE WORLD having a biological clock ticking down to 0 within about 100 years.

[Anonymous No.2793870]

>>2793856
No it's not.
Would you rebel if someone found a cure to AIDS that was expencive and only selected few could use it?
If after this they found a cure to cancer, would you rebel?
Soon the rich have all and you have what you can afford.
They have the media, the have the goverment, they have the power and you got nothing.
It won't be that some day they announce:
"We found the cure to all and you are not getting it even though it is cheap"
It will be slow steps and at every step you are not getting anything. It's too expencive they say.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2793872]

>>2793848
>Rich have weapons to deal with small uprisings anyway.
No, rich people command armies. Of what are these armies composed of? Normal people usually.

>Also you have to realize that curing aging doesn't fix for example you memory.
By the time your mind begins to deteriorate we will either a) have stem cell treatments that can replace the dying ones or, b) nanobots which attach themselves to all your neurons recording their activity until the particular cell dies where it then replaces the dead cell. This creates a seamless transition from fleshy to computerized brain.

>If nobody dies there can't be people born
No, just far less. People will always die, just a slower rate. As soon as we get relativistic spacecraft and identify habitable worlds it won't be that big a deal. Extra points if we O'Neill Cylinder/Dyson Ringworld the solar system.

>At first this will save cost because we don't need schools but in the long term this will end in disaster.
Disaster you say? Elaborate.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2793877]

>>2793870
>Soon the rich have all and you have what you can afford.
>They have the media, the have the goverment, they have the power and you got nothing.
I have come to the conclusion you are a person that had his mind rotted by either /new/ or some news sites that are similar so that you have become delusional.

[Anonymous No.2793893]

>>2793872
But armies operate with money. Just promise them couple of extra years and they will deal with the problem.
Or perhaps make it patriotic to kill those who rebel, make it illegal.

I wasn't talking about just the memory. Learning capability and all other things that are related to the body.

So you think that we have relativistic spacecraft within 70-100 years(going by your life expectancy?

Disaster in the sense that the goverment will go bankrupt and people will get killed in mass.

You seem to be overestimating humanity. As long as the rich own the goverment and the media and the
army there is nothing you can do to change the system. Only benevolence of the rich could chance
this. But considering that we still have people dying to hunger that is not going to happen.

[Anonymous No.2793896]

>>2793872
>Of what are these armies composed of?
Normal people that are willing to submit to their officers. At least when there's no draft.
They tend to be late to the revolutionnary party.

[Anonymous No.2793899]

>>2793877
Why do you think like that. It's the real world out here, power is the only thing that matters. People have
some power but look at US. They can vote democrats or republicans, either way the system is same.

I wish that it wouldn't be like this but sadly it is.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2793901]

>>2793893
>thinks armies will turn on their own citizens and slaughter them mercilessly for 'a couple of extra years'
>doesn't think learning capability will be enhanced massively with robust brain rejuvenation and neural implants
>thinks I said relativistic spacecraft within this century
>thinks that what will be a fairly simple drug/injection will bankrupt governments
>thinks the future will be exactly the same as today is + shiny gadgets

I can not imagine how it must be to have such a dim outlook on the future.

[Bruse !!QaQRJei51dt No.2793902]

>No, rich people command armies. Of what are these armies composed of? Normal people usually.

If anti-ageing requires recurring "treatments" then it would perhaps be made up of people being drip-fed the cure.

[Anonymous No.2793911]

>>2793893
>As long as the rich own the goverment and the media and the army there is nothing you can do to change the system.
What about burning off their armpit hair ?
Our tactics must be indissolubly founded on the practice of individual realisations.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2793916]

Let me put it another way. If you live in a first world country and are not homeless AND below the age of 40, you will get these treatments.

[Anonymous No.2793922]

>>2793901
>thinks armies will turn on their own citizens and slaughter them mercilessly for 'a couple of extra years

And you think that those same people would rebel against the rich. If rich can't make soldiers to do their
job with media, brainwashing and eternal life, what makes you think that regular people form an organized resistance against the goverment and the rich?

US soldiers are currently fighting several wars and killing innocent civilians. I don't see too much of a resistance form them.

Also another option is just use your military to suppress the riots in other countries and make them return the favor, much like libya now.

[Anonymous No.2793924]

>>2793901
You haven't dealt with a lot of people, have you?

[Anonymous No.2793925]

>>2793916
What makes you think so ?

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2793928]

>>2793924
Obviously you have oh lofty one.
>>2793925
see pic of
>>2793763

[Anonymous No.2793935]

I don't give a shit about living I'm building a monument to myself. Don't you dare piss on it.

[Anonymous No.2793939]

>>2793916
Now that is much closer to the truth.
Just by leaving 4/5 people out of the system it starts to sound much more plausible.

Still the point stand that why would they sell it in such a low prices when they don't even sell regular drugs so cheaply.

There is also the added benefit of people loosing their jobs to robots which is already happening. If you are
so far in the future where relativistic space craft exist then robots must have replaced nearly every human
job. Those who don't have jobs tend not to have money for drugs.

[Anonymous No.2793941]

>>2793928
Humans, in general, are shit.

[Anonymous No.2793944]

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2793952]

>>2793939
>There is also the added benefit of people loosing their jobs to robots which is already happening. If you are so far in the future where relativistic space craft exist then robots must have replaced nearly every human job. Those who don't have jobs tend not to have money for drugs.

The system will change.

[Anonymous No.2793961]

>>2793941
no, only self hating humans are shit

[Anonymous No.2793962]

>>2793952
>The system will change.
You're the most delusional bastard I've ever met.
Yes, even for a 16 y.o.

[Anonymous No.2793964]

>>2793961
No no, I assure you, all humans are absolute shit.

[Anonymous No.2793967]

>>2793928
What about making it reasonably expensive ? Like plastic surgery, for example ?

[Anonymous No.2793968]

>>2793924
>Argues with Inurdaes
>Expects a coherent, logical and realistic response
youmustbenewhere.svg

[Anonymous No.2793973]

>>2793952
I hope so.
Still i fear that in the reality it depends too much on the benevolence of the rich. And as history has proven to us humans are generally not benevolent.
Only time will tell but i fear the worst and i'm personally betting on it to happen.

But the one thing that is certain is that not one of us is going to live to be over 150. (Asuming here that millionaires don't hang in /sci/ too often)

[Bruse !!QaQRJei51dt No.2793974]

>>2793939
> Those who don't have jobs tend not to have money for drugs.

Have the robots make all the drugs?

[Anonymous No.2793981]

>>2793967
It willl be expencive. And it the treatment must be done again and again. Perhaps every year or two.
This will make it too expencive to the midle class. They could perhaps afford to buy couple of decades at most but after that they run out of money.

[Anonymous No.2793983]

You're all going to die one day and good riddance to you all.

[Anonymous No.2793989]

>>2793962
No, he's right. The capitalist system can't have an important decrease of consumption. If people can't have salaries to buy what they produce, then something like a minimum income will be developped. That or a generalized credit system.

[Anonymous No.2793992]

>>2793974
Robots will make the drugs, but it will cost people to buy them. Just because there is suply doesn't meant that it will be given away free.

For example digital music. It cost nothing to make "more(copy)" of it. Still they demand money for it.

[Bruse !!QaQRJei51dt No.2794006]

>>2793992

But if robots are employed to manufacture stuff, and gather raw material and the whole shebang, then the only cost would be upkeep of robots? And robots would take care of that too, no?

So everything robots make, could be free, and if everything is free, then the whole idea of cost and payment becomes moot.

[Anonymous No.2794017]

>>2793989
Yes minumum goverment income. But that won't give you nothing more than the necessary. Do you think that goverment wants to keep unproductive people around who don't ever die?

In US people are already protesting the basic universal healthcare, not to mention eternal life for everyone.

That right there is btw great example of power of the media. Basically everyone would have benefitted from universal healthcare, only rich would have not. But still people blocked it, why? To me the reason is goverment/media, do you have better reasons.

[Anonymous No.2794026]

>>2793989
That, or most likely mass starvation and civil war.

[Anonymous No.2794031]

>>2794006
In theory yes. But in practice no. There are minor costs and greed.
Why would you think that rich just start to give away free stuff just because it's cheap to them?

[Bruse !!QaQRJei51dt No.2794051]

>>2794031

Oh, I have no illusions that they will give things away. But unless they can keep the knowledge of how to build self-sufficient slave robots a secret, it's not going to last very long. And information has proven quite hard to contain nowadays.

Or perhaps some government or other would be the forerunners here. If there's one thing people like, it's lower taxes or more for less taxes paid. So if the government started to use robots for everything, they could pretty soon provide everyone with the bare necessities. And then people would grow up being accustomed to things being free, and it would be harder for corporations to charge for anything.

[Anonymous No.2794064]

>>2793645

THAT'S BECAUSE I WILL BE THE EMPEROR! BOW DOWN TO ME, SLAVE!

[Anonymous No.2794072]

>>2794064

Fuck off with your retarded DERPING, this isn't /b/.

Sage.

[Anonymous No.2794077]

>>2794017
>Do you think that goverment wants to keep unproductive people around who don't ever die?
Yes.
As long as they consume.

[Anonymous No.2794106]

>>2794051
No, they don't need to keep it a secret. The robots have cost like everything else does. They are just cheaper than humans.

For example cars, they are made largely by robots. There are some humans there but most of the work is done by robots. It's a gradul change. One by one jobs, starting from the manual labor, will be replaced by machines and robots of all sorts.

For example it could be argued that there are not enough jobs for everyone in US anymore. This meaning that even if everyone had all the education and didn't have to worry about travelling and such, there would still be people without a jobs.

Now this number is lets say 5% of the population. In the following years it will grow slowly by perhaps 0.05-0.5% per year as automation continues. This will of course hit the midle class hardest.

Do we expect to get water for free? It's free when we take it from the nature.
Do we expect that electricity to be nearly free, dams provide it with practically no costs.


Because goverment won't let people just die they will of course provide them with basic income. But this
income is not enough to buy the life extension. It could be even illegal to use goverment money for that.

[Anonymous No.2794109]

>implying I won't be genetically resurrected to serve the God Emperor Leto

[Anonymous No.2794114]

>>2794106
>not producing enough to provide enough jobs?

Solution: consume more

[Anonymous No.2794117]

>>2794077
It's cheaper to just let them die when the time comes and replace them with new consumers.

[Anonymous No.2794123]

>>2794072
someone's cranky. you miss nap time today?

[Anonymous No.2794130]

>>2794106
strong aspergers

[Anonymous No.2794134]

>>2794114
We could dump cars to oceans if we wanted. Problem is that robots will be cheaper than humans.
So basically if we artificially increase the consumption, then they will build more robots to take care of that consumption.
No benefits to the people only costs for the goverment and more money for the rich.

[Anonymous No.2794148]

>>2794077
> implying the govmt can't consume

[Anonymous No.2794150]

>>2794134
not sure if serious

[Bruse !!QaQRJei51dt No.2794156]

>>2794134

But why would money even matter anymore? If we reach a time when anything can be built in a completely automated fashion, without the intervention of people, then no one would even have to buy anything else than that super-duper-nano-technobabble thing and then be more or less set for life.

[Anonymous No.2794175]

>>2794150
You seem to think that "consumption" requires actual people using the things you make. Goverment can consume as well. For example waging wars is great way to consume. You use resources and break things that will have to be replaced.

Problem is that robots are cheaper than humas not that there is too little consumption. If robots are doing everything then increasing the work load of the robots brings in no additional benefit.

[Anonymous No.2794199]

>>2794156
I'm not talking about that far in the future. Not all jobs can be done by robots in this stage. My original point was that robots further reduce the amount of people that could afford the life drug.

Besides there is this thing called greed.
We could abandon money today and live just fine.
We won't because of the greed and how the system is set up.

[Bruse !!QaQRJei51dt No.2794226]

>>2794199

Some things might pave the way towards a post-scarcity society, easing the eventual full-blown paradigm shift. I think building smart electrical grids will be the first step towards this. When people realise they can not only save money but actually MAKE money by having solar panels or whatever, prices will drop and solar cells will increase in efficiency. And then most people will be close to self-sufficient on electriciy.

Hopefully that will make people think "why only electricity?" and people will start to get used to the idea of things not having to cost. That's the greatest barrier. We're so used to things costing money.

[Anonymous No.2794238]

>>2794226
But do you think that the rich will allow that?
They managed to block the universal healthcare in US just fine. Anyway must go, good stuff in this thread.

[Anonymous No.2794251]

>>2794238

Not every person on this planet lives on the shithole called the united states of corporations.
Even if your corporations manage to block these new innovations, they have no such power in other countries. They can't stop the future.

[Bruse !!QaQRJei51dt No.2794255]

>>2794238

Well I'm not from America, so I don't necessary see the rich in the US not allowing it to be a hindrance in the long run. I have my hopes that the EU would be comfortable with moving towards a post-scarcity world. Or at least MORE comfortable; the EU is a bit too keen to run the errands of corporations at the moment.

[Anonymous No.2794263]

>post-scarcity
shut up

[Anonymous No.2794273]

>>2794263

>nope.jpg

Post scarity is completely valid concept, that only requires advances in automation technologies to be possible.

[Anonymous No.2794292]

>>2793645

ITT: OP brings up Warhammer 40,000, it turns quickly into assbergers arguing aver intro econ concepts while talking about how the man keeps us all down man, like, its so obvious man.

[Anonymous No.2794334]

Just jumping in this read, really cannot be arsed to read the whole thread, but on the argument of anti-ageing drugs. If it were to be cheap and widely available, what we we do to combat over crowding? lack of fuel? and the immense amount of food we'd need?

[Anonymous No.2794350]

who says we dont live forever anyway?

Death is not the end, but only a transition.

well always be together
however far it seems, love never ends
well always be together
forever in electric dreams

[Anonymous No.2794358]

Yeah...
I wish I could kill xenu

[Anonymous No.2794367]

Depending on the circumstances, we might live until transhumanism is developed

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2794378]

>>2794334
Mandatory sterilization upon treatment and Manhattanize most cities, expand into space

[Anonymous No.2794382]

>>2794350
that's deep bro

[Anonymous No.2794384]

God its like we're at a startrek convention or something

[Anonymous No.2794391]

>>2794378
Good job causing a "children of men" scenario.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2794397]

>>2794391
There is nothing similar in it to Children of Men. There will be people who will forgo treatment to have children, just there will be far less. Just initially.

[Anonymous No.2794407]

why not?
the first people to reach 1000 years old are now in their 60s
when you reach 1000, I guess you dont have to worry about nothing and you will be right there

oh, well, forgot that all u guys are poorfags and won't be able to finance that long-livety pill. good that I have rich parents

[Anonymous No.2794417]

>>2793654
implying i want to live forever in this shithole

[Anonymous No.2794419]

>>2794407
You're the reason why the United States is going to have a civil war in 20 years or so

[Anonymous No.2794420]

>>2794407
enjoy your eternal hell.

[Anonymous No.2794521]

Wow, you people pretty much completely ignore the fact that we're on the brink of a resource Armageddon

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2794525]

>>2794419
I give it 10, tops.

[Anonymous No.2794533]

>>2794521
of course they are they think thier bubble of money and power is eternal and will always last thats the mistake all empires make befor they fall deny deny deny deny deny deny.

>i am rich so obviously it wont affect me the police will sort it and the military im laughing at you from my ivory tower.

they forget money isnt power people are power and the people outnumber many times more any forms in place that can stop them.

[Anonymous No.2794548]

>>2794350

this is the best post