/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.2777147]

Hey /sci/. I know you want this as much as me. Let's build a society on Mars.

Let's say there's access to water underground. There is about 40% of the gravitational force we have on Earth. No access to fossil fuels.

Keywords to think about are: recycling, recovery of resources, better than earth.

Divided into four areas, what ideas do you have for

> - Construction & Architecture
> - Infrastructure & Transportation
> - Environment
> - Energy

[Fr 87 No.2777159]

Access to water underground....


Wat?

[Anonymous No.2777176]

Mars has wicked equatorial storms. I bet you could use anchored balloons to fly ionization wires or even wind turbines into the jet stream. Add to that the solar energy you can still get through the thin atmosphere with little cloud occlusion and you can run some basic systems.

Of course we've really only solved the problem when we've found water and a way to fusion it for energy. That would pretty much be the invention of the wheel for space travel. Check out the carefully published advances in Low Energy Nuclear Reactions.

[Anonymous No.2777177]

>>2777159

There's access to water, but it's underground.

Just assume you have access to water.

[Anonymous No.2777179]

Figure out how to get a magnetic field going, so the planet could protect an atmosphere.

[Anonymous No.2777181]

> - Construction & Architecture

Spose you'd have to use whatever materials the surface of mars has available. Probably the easiest would be subteranean buildings.

> - Infrastructure & Transportation

Schweebs everywhere

> - Environment

its fucking mars, what environment.

> - Energy

nuclear solar and wind

[Anonymous No.2777184]

>>2777177
You must mean Europa.

[Anonymous No.2777186]

>>2777159
Water dissolving and water removing. There is water at the bottom of the ocean.

[Anonymous No.2777205]

>>2777181

Subteranean buildings are very interesting. I guess we'd have to stick with some of the earth regulations when it comes to fire escapes and such. Or how would a fire on Mars turn out?

and Schweebs?

>>2777176
carefully published? Anything weird about it?

[Anonymous No.2777213]

We could built a construct a completly sealed facility in which we put soil oxygen and all the things we need to survive(this stuff is probably needs to be taken from earth because many things we need to survive you won't get on Mars or it will take way too much effort).
Anyway what I'm getting at is this has already been tried on earth.
Here is a link to a participant talking about that http://www.ted.com/talks/jane_poynter_life_in_biosphere_2.html

[Anonymous No.2777222]

Agriculture and industrial materials? Including air, electrolysis of water doesn't count, you need nitrogen as well.

[Anonymous No.2777227]

>>2777222

wat?

[Anonymous No.2777236]

Caves.

Think arctic research base.

There is no cheap and reliable way to protect from solar winds except for caves. Martians would get a forecast and will have to stay inside, under tons of dust, when heavy solar winds hit.

The structural material would have to be made on location. With water and energy the fine dust should make great ceramics, even ordinary concrete is possible. It needs a lot of humidity to harden properly though, so structural elements would have to be stored in humid atmosphere for some time before assembly. Metal for reinforcement would be processed just like on earth, iron and carbon are likely elements in plenty supply.

If we find ways to easily grow carbon tubes and process them to carbon resin compound elements with what we find on Mars then that's a good bet for structural engineering and would make for elegant architecture, carbon likes flowing shapes.

As for food we would have to make it all from dead dust and sterile water. Biomass would be a priced commodity. Toilets might give receipts. Bioprocessing of waste products and raw Martian materials with custom tailored microorganisms, algae, fungi, and insects would use up most resources and occupy vast complexes, with a precarious ecological balance upheld by paranoid control systems and meticulous microbiologists and engineers.

[Anonymous No.2777239]

>>2777222
Double triples everything he says becomes instantly a theory -until /sci/ finds evidence- then it becomes truth

[Anonymous No.2777243]

>>2777205
>carefully published? Anything weird about it?
Cold Fusion research got burned in the 80s.

[Anonymous No.2777257]

Why mars? The moon is WAY easier and cheaper to get to, and you get launch windows from Earth twice a day instead of every other year.

[Anonymous No.2777262]

>>2777257
Because shit gravity.

[Anonymous No.2777271]

>>2777205

>Or how would a fire on Mars turn out?

Very badly. You'd have to immediately seal off the module that was on fire in order to keep the CO2 from the fire from overwhelming the oxygen scrubbers.

After that, you just vent the atmosphere and the fire will go out. Everyone still inside will surely be killed, though.

[Anonymous No.2777275]

>>2777147
>>2777147
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>>2777147

du er norsk, og vil vinne konkuransen til AF-gruppen.

Men. du klarer ikke tenke selv så du lar /sci/ gjøre det for deg.

Forbanna noob.

you're currently being OP's personal army.

[Anonymous No.2777397]

>>2777275

Very helpful. What?

[Anonymous No.2777481]

>>2777257
With the moon, you have to take into account the microscopic glass particles in moon-sand that quickly erodes vehicles and spacesuits.

[Anonymous No.2777591]

>>2777257
Another major advantage with the moon is that it's far easier to get off it than from Mars. It's not merely a question of gravity but also atmosphere. You can basically build a launchtrack on the moon and not have to care about stuff melting from atmospheric friction when you fling them into orbit.