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12 year is disproving Big Bang Theory...

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2011103200369

>> No.2763310

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"There are two different types of when stars end. When the little stars die, it's just like a small poof. They just turn into a planetary nebula. But the big ones, above 1.4 solar masses, blow up in one giant explosion, a supernova," Jake said. "What it does, is, in larger stars there is a larger mass, and it can fuse higher elements because it's more dense."

"So you get all the elements, all the different materials, from those bigger stars. The little stars, they just make hydrogen and helium, and when they blow up, all the carbon that remains in them is just in the white dwarf; it never really comes off.

"So, um, in the big-bang theory, what they do is, there is this big explosion and there is all this temperature going off and the temperature decreases really rapidly because it's really big. The other day I calculated, they have this period where they suppose the hydrogen and helium were created, and, um, I don't care about the hydrogen and helium, but I thought, wouldn't there have to be some sort of carbon?"

>> No.2763312

"Otherwise, the carbon would have to be coming out of the stars and hence the Earth, made mostly of carbon, we wouldn't be here. So I calculated, the time it would take to create 2 percent of the carbon in the universe, it would actually have to be several micro-seconds. Or a couple of nano-seconds, or something like that. An extremely small period of time. Like faster than a snap. That isn't gonna happen."

"Because of that," he continued, "that means that the world would have never been created because none of the carbon would have been given 7 billion years to fuse together. We'd have to be 21 billion years old . . . and that would just screw everything up."

>> No.2763320

That's not how stellar evolution or the Big Bang model work.
Kids these days with their Wikipedia.

>> No.2763322

Article is hilarious and the quotes have, fucking, commas, everywhere, making, it, hard, to read.

>> No.2763328

Somebody really needs to tell this "genius" about metallicity.

>> No.2763325 [DELETED] 

Not surprised. The "big bang theory" was so named by a Christian Bishop, then sensationalized by Joos.

>> No.2763330

He fills up a notebook and decides to write on Windows?

Notebook: 100+ sheets
Windows: you're lucky if you have 10 in your house

He just wanted to show off his genius to his friends like the ronery autist he is. Notebooks are cheap. He could've used a computer

>> No.2763332

>>2763322
The kid has a breathing problem like the black kid from malcolm in the middle.

>> No.2763335

>>2763310
>>2763312

ok the first 2 quotes just sound like someone who read a wikipedia article, but the 3rd 4th and 5th are just wut

>> No.2763339

At 19 he will disprove his ability to ever get laid, and then will promptly kill himself. I've seen it before.

>> No.2763342

>>2763332
Best god damn show

>> No.2763347

>>2763339
Naw, he isn't an actual genius. just a smart kid in a dumb town with attention whore parents. He'll grow out of it and get more pussy than you for sure.

>> No.2763349

>autistic
what the fuck, that youtube video.. he sounds more open than me
Or do I just have severe undiagnosed autism

>> No.2763351

>HE'S GOING TO COLLEGE FOR MATH OMG
>calc

I actually do think he might not have self-diagnosed Asperger's though; he made a ludicrous claim and appears to be very full of himself.

>> No.2763357

HE'S WRITING ON A WINDOW!

HE MUST BE A GENIUS!

>> No.2763360

Trying to disprove the big bang theory with calc two.... What the fuck am I reading

>> No.2763364

>he doesn't account for inflation
>likens the big bang to an actual explosion
>laughingastrophysicists.jpg

>> No.2763366

Stellar Evolution.
AGB stage.
Material dredged from core.
Even small stars have convection phases in their evolution that dredge material from the core.
I know a student who just completed a PhD studying stars that are in this phase of their evolution.

>> No.2763371

>The other day I calculated
>I calculated

Proven for attention whore

>> No.2763372

>>2763339
He already has a girlfriend. Do you?

>> No.2763374

>>2763360

I can disprove it using nothing but 1 bit incrementation.

>> No.2763377

>>2763310
>>2763312
This is painful to read.

>> No.2763378 [DELETED] 

It's just important because a 12 year old is saying it.

So much media hype, typical Joo sensationalism.

Expect a new "kid genius" television series this fall, with your typical list of scientific misconceptions like time-travel, and silly-string hypothesis.

>> No.2763389
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2763389

Big bang is wrong. I mean, shouldn't the big bang have made iron? Else where did we get all that iron!?.

>> No.2763393

So all I need in order to get a PHD in math is calc 2?

>> No.2763395

Entire article:

>He can play classical music, BY MEMORY
>OK SLOW DOWN WHOA WHOA WHOAAA UR 2 SMART MY HED SPLODE

Exaggeration bullshit

>> No.2763397

>>2763389
Aliums.

>> No.2763399

>>2763378
you jelly?

>> No.2763400

>>2763378
It won't last more than two seasons.

>> No.2763416

>>2763389
Aliens clearly. Also plenty of meteorites and asteroids have iron.

>> No.2763417

>>2763399
>hurp durp can't disprove anything he says because I'm jelly
>>>/b/

>> No.2763422 [DELETED] 

>>2763399

>jelly
Of anything on television? Are you insane?!

>>2763400
Probably, but that won't stop most Americans from believing "that's how science works."

>> No.2763429

>>2763422
>Americans
>Science
I don't think most Americans know what that word even means. My country is fairly stupid.

>> No.2763433

>>2763429
It's depressing.

In america, 41% of people believe in creationism. The number is 10% in Europe.

Mind you, Europe has a lot of other social problems like racism everywhere, but fuck I wish we were scientifically literate

>> No.2763435

That's his proof?
All the fancy mathematical skills in the world won't save you from dumb ideas.
lrn2 stellar fusion
Also at the big bang there wasn't hydrogen, there was just energy.
He should learn about high energy gamma rays collapsing to form matter and anti-matter before saying there's not enough carbon.

>> No.2763442

>>2763433
Well I don't mind the creationism thing. As much as /sci/ probably hates to admit it, The Bible is a good moral system, though the Bible Belts take it a little too far. As far as general creationism goes it doesn't hurt to have a little faith in something, it eases people's minds.

>> No.2763447

>>2763435
This is what you get from skipping high school and going straight to uni, I guess.

>> No.2763444 [DELETED] 

>>2763429
Well, 2 decades ago science was America's favorite toy.

After Bush/Cheney, Americans became scientific gimps.

>> No.2763454

>>2763442
Have you read the bible? Go back and read leviticus. It requires that a man who rapes a woman must marry her. Gays are to be executed. so are disobedient children. God commands the Israelites to kill children many, many times.

Now, the talmudic interpretation is a much better moral guide, but the bible itself is not.

>> No.2763455

>>2763442
>The Bible is a good moral system
The Koran is miles better than that piece of shit.

>> No.2763457

>>2763444
Republicans don't believe in logical things. That should be clear by now.

>> No.2763459

>>2763442
Any morals from the Bible originated elsewhere and they're just common sense. Whatever we took out of that, however, is fine and dandy, don't worry about where it came from, just move up with science

>> No.2763462

>>2763442
>bible
>good morals

Pick one. Seriously, people that pretend to follow the bible's morals just cherry pick the good stuff. Just skip the middle man and find out what is/isn't moral yourself.

>> No.2763463

>>2763454
Well let me correct myself. The 10 Commandments are a good moral system. But I will agree with you.
>>2763455
I can't argue much there.

>> No.2763472

>>2763463

there are 603 other commandments in the old testament alone. Nice picking and choosing. And when you learn the punishments for breaking those commandments, you won't agree.

Dishonoring you mother and father? Death.
Not honoring Shabbat? Death

>> No.2763479

>>2763472
Well only 10 a mentioned specifically on the stone slabs Moses found.

Like I said, there are much better moral guiding systems. I'm not trying to argue or anything and I'm sure you know more about the stuff than I do.

>> No.2763484

most American Christians and whatever spawned off it (hurr durr Catholics) haven't even read the Bible, else they'd know the shit that's in it

I was in a Catholic school when I stopped believing in all that at around 8 or 9. I only believed it before because I was told to.. then I just wondered "is this shit for real".. they really don't have that much faith in their own religion, they just do it cuz ma and paw said to follow the gud book

>> No.2763486

>>2763479
You said that it's a good moral system. It's a horrible one. Only when filtered and interpreted beyond recognition (see: Talmud, mishne Torah, etc.) does it work.

>> No.2763487

>>2763463
LOL
Even Jebus could only remember 5 of the commandments then he had to bullshit his way by inventing a new one.

>> No.2763492

Honestly, I hope he fucking gets his head out of his ass when he grows up. Then invent something useful.

>> No.2763497

I fucking LOLED hard at the story of his childhood, shit's fucking laughable, they GUARANTEED that he would be an autistic fuckwit, by treating him in a radically different manner since he was a fucking infant, ROFL.

>> No.2763499

>>2763486
To my knowledge it is, but like you said, picking and choosing, it's what I was told as a kid. I can agree that the Bible does talk a lot about stuff that is just silly and contradictory of it's own accounts.

>> No.2763503

>>2763497
Yeah he's going to be pretty socially awkward once he gets older.

>> No.2763504

>>2763499
then your knowledge is incomplete. You were wrong. given the information you had, you were right. But in reality, you were wrong.

>> No.2763507

I know a gifted 6 year old loli that's already slapping my shit in calc 2. True story bro ;_;

>> No.2763513

This is exactly what I was doing as a kid, only to a lesser extent, but nobody wrote an article about me or even cared much about me.

>> No.2763514

Media sensationalism.

The kid parrots a theory someone else thought of, and it's real because it's coming from a 12 year old.

Pathetic sensationalism. Expect another "kid genius" television series this fall, with all the old scientific misconceptions like "silly-string theory" and "time-travel"

>> No.2763518

>>2763504
I'm fine with that. My knowledge only pertains to things I really care about anyways and even then it's far from perfect.

>> No.2763522

>>2763513
You're probably black or Hispanic.

>> No.2763523

>>2763503
>>2763497
But he plays basketball and has a girlfriend.

He's already better than 80% of 4chan.

>> No.2763528

>>2763523

He's better because he is in the news for something he didn't actually contribute to.

>> No.2763530

>>2763523
She wont stay with him forever and limited contact with people his own age is going to prevent anymore social contact once he gets older. Also basketball doesn't really mean much, I did sports when I was in high school and I was still awkward.

>> No.2763531

>>2763523
Lots of kids at his age have "girl friends." It's whether or not they work out.

>> No.2763533
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2763533

>>2763310

RE-WRITE EVERYTHING WE KNOW, THIS KID DON'T CARE FOR HYDROGEN!

>> No.2763536

>>2763528
It's just a single article about an upcoming genius in the world of astrophysics.

I could think of worse things to report about.

>> No.2763539

>>2763533
Fuck Hydrogen, lets all start using Palladium.

>> No.2763545

>>2763497
I actually raged if anything

Your kid is autistic.. feed him with knowledge and he goes to college at 12 years old..

Your kid is normal.. dont? Then he goes to school with an empty head. I think this is a good example on parenting.

>> No.2763555

>>2763536
Yeah, but the thing is, his hypothesis is the work of other people.

Ti's being played up in the media because an autistic 12 year old is saying it.

It's like when "the smartest man in the world" mathematically proved that God exists. Media bullshit.

>> No.2763571

He couldn't use his other whiteboards cuz its full of other theories

Paper and pencil like a boss, watch how his dog knocks down his whiteboard and rubs his ass over his work

>> No.2763572

SOMEBODY WATCH A BEAUTIFUL MIND!

Fucking retard. Autistic attention whores don't do anything special, since they're too caught up in their attention whoring and autism.

>> No.2763584

>>2763555
The article is more about the kid's intelligence and achievements than his attempt at disproving the Big Bang Theory. In fact, only a few paragraphs are actually devoted to that part.

I don't think many people are actually taking that seriously other than how a 12-year-old is trying to figure incredibly complicated questions at his age. It's cute, but that's all it will be until he actually accomplishes something. If he accomplishes something.

>> No.2763588

>>2763584
Most kids are smart. I was fairly smart when I was a kid then I turned into a fucktarded burnout.

>> No.2763589
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2763589

Even what he does accomplish may seem little, it's more than any of us here are capable of achieving no matter how hard we try.

God I wanna kill myself now. :(

>> No.2763592

>>2763545

I think it's also a good example of how ass-raped the American education system is.

An autistic 12 year old can get into college, and every hypothesis he quotes no-longer needs to be subject to peer-review.

>> No.2763595

I remember when I was 12 and had a big interest in all things space. I also remember shutting the fuck up if I didn't fully understand something. Google, how does it work?

>> No.2763596

>>2763584
All he's doing right now is learning. Let's hope that's not all he is, someone who's learning all day and doing nothing with it. The best he'll do is teach. Learn someone else's shit and teach someone else's shit.

>> No.2763604

>>2763588
Most kids don't have the thirst for knowledge as he has.

>>2763589
The kid can do math and feed off of the work of others, but it's not yet known if he's actually capable of expanding our knowledge about the universe. You need more than the skills of a savant to do that.

>> No.2763610

>>2763291
>mfw he isn't even integrating correctly
>mfw he is trying to use integration of functions that describe stars to disprove the big bang theory
>mfw hes just a 12 year old retard whose parents are trying to make some money off by telling him to look at some math books and write similar things on windows


even if he was a genius he probably would have fallen into obscurity, every major contributor to the fields of science aren't autistic "geniuses", but people with above average intelligence who understand and have a passion for what they do

>laughingwhores.jpg

>> No.2763612

ITT: A bunch of self appointed experts who are butthurt about a 12 year old boy who is a genius and understands far more than they ever will.

Hes not autistic, hes a fucking genius, people will always label someone who differs from the 'norm' and here on earth stupid people are the 'norm'

>> No.2763617

>>2763589
Disagree.
I have seen troll science here on /sci/ that is better than this asspies big-bang refutation.

>> No.2763619

ITT: Butthurtedness and Asperger's

You guys are pathetic.

>> No.2763621

>>2763612
And some television-watching faggot that believes in the holy media crusade.

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2763625

>>2763617
Yeah but he actually has mathematics to back up his science, mathematics that's actually been worked out and isn't made up on the spot.

>> No.2763626

>>2763310
>>When the little stars die, it's just like a small poof. They just turn into a planetary nebula.
>>planetary nebula

>>above 1.4 solar masses, blow up in one giant explosion, a supernova
>>1.4 solar masses
>>supernova

Whatthefuckamireading.tiff

>> No.2763630

>>2763619
...says the guy that doesn't even understand what the kid is talking about.

But, the kid is right because the television says so.

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2763633

>>2763625
Using integrals.

>> No.2763634

>>2763621
I have no time for the media, but fact is there this kid knows his shit

>> No.2763638

>>2763625
Do you even know what a hypothesis is?

>> No.2763640

>>2763612
He is autistic.

There are plenty of autistic kids like him that are incredible with numbers and math in general, but fail at applying it to real scientific achievements. The real question is if he will be just another statistic among them or accomplish something great.

>> No.2763642

>>2763634
[citation needed]

>> No.2763643

>>2763638
Do you?

>> No.2763648

>>2763638
nobody does

>> No.2763653

>>2763626
Whats wrong with calling planetary nebulae small poofs? They really are, in the big scheme of things.

The rest is absolute shit, but there is some wisdom there about the nebulae.

>stop being butt mad and realize that as a community of scientists, we should welcome a 12 year old that can make that leap in spatial thinking

>> No.2763657

When I was six I took an IQ test and was told I had an IQ of 149. I played video games all day, got bullied through middle and high school, and daydreamed through every class. Now I'm in college and I have the memory and attention span of a goldfish and I struggle on pretty easy integration. I wish my parents disciplined me more.

>> No.2763658

>>2763642
citations are in the video asstard

>> No.2763662

>>2763643
You're the one that feels he needs no peer review.

The television said it.

You beleves it.

That's good enough for you.

>> No.2763663

>>2763653
>stop being butt mad and realize that as a community of scientists, we should welcome a 12 year old that can make that leap in spatial thinking
That's difficult to do for a lot of people. Science is a field filled with pretentiousness and elitism.

Although I agree.

>> No.2763666

>>2763653
>we should welcome a 12 year old
not if his "ideas" are more idiotic then string theory

>> No.2763667

>>2763658
>assumes the video citations are as good as peer review.

>> No.2763668

>>2763662
But he's been peer reviewed numerously, and now we have a media sensation about him.

>> No.2763674

>>2763662
nice primacy effect bro

>> No.2763678

>>2763653
Dredging in AGP phase (Observed phenomena) refutes his entire bullshit theory.

>> No.2763680

>>2763666
you're right, we shouldn't accept everything he says as gospel. We shouldn't accept anyone's word as gospel. Fuck, do you know how science works?

We certainly shouldn't be looking down at a 12 year old kid that is really thinking. That's rare, really. It's exciting news to hear that there is one.

>> No.2763684

>>2763668
>But he's been peer reviewed numerously
Peer review takes YEARS.

I demand to know who these "peers" are.

>> No.2763694

>>2763684
>Peer review takes YEARS.
What? No they don't, that's not science works at all.

>> No.2763696

>>2763684
Antisemite.

>> No.2763699

>>2763684
>I demand to know who these "peers" are.
IUPUI

>> No.2763707

>>2763684
Peer review CAN take up to years, but that doesn't mean peer reviewing itself a yearly process, and they mostly don't take much longer than a standard time.

>> No.2763711

>>2763694
If you want to go from hypothesis to theory, yes it fucking does take years. The kid would be shut the fuck down if he was disproving string theory.

The kid spews, and the media woos.

He totally did perform a miracle, though. He trolled everyone that sucks media dicks.

>> No.2763712

>>2763711
wrong. the media is just using this kid like they use every other human interest story/celebritard on the planet.

>> No.2763714

>>2763711
>If you want to go from hypothesis to theory, yes it fucking does take years.
That's hypothesis-to-theory, not peer reviewing, they're very separate and independent from each other. And no one claimed he was going to disprove it right away, even the media knows it's going to take time and experience.

>> No.2763717

>>2763711
>The kid spews, and the media woos.
>He trolled everyone
>Yeah! Fuck that kid!

The kid is 12. He does as he's told.

protip: the media sold what media always sells, and they did it well.

>> No.2763723

>>2763699
Indiana university is a shitty fucking college, and Purdue is an Ivy League FARMING college. The strength of Purdue is in their bio courses, not their astronomy.

The math may be correct, but the application of theory has NOT been reviewed.

>> No.2763724

>>2763684
peer review takes months to years, not just years. learn how to properly use your hyperboles.

>> No.2763731

>>2763723
It's still a university with a scientific community, so it's still valid peer reviewing.

>> No.2763732

>>2763714

The hypothesis HAS NOT BEEN EXAMINED.

>> No.2763733

>>2763711
Kid is 12 and not yet fully understands what he's doing.

The media is using him as a "cute kid genius" story.

It worked.

>> No.2763735

>>2763731
For the math, yes. For the applicable theory, no.

>> No.2763737

>>2763732
It's already been examined by the media and university for the past antecedent, not sure where you're getting your information from.

>> No.2763741

>>2763735
It's still a university with a scientific community, it's still valid for an applicable theories.

>> No.2763744

>>2763724
>months to years
WTF ever. He still hasn't been at it long enough for people to be acting as gimptarded and defensive as they are.

Months for mathematical proofs of math.

Years for applicable cosmological theories.

>> No.2763746

>>2763741
No, it's not. It doesn't even offer doctorate cosmology courses.

>> No.2763750

>>2763744
It's obvious he's been working on his hypothesis for a while now, so it's valid enough time; and he's obviously very well aware that's going to take several years to push into the realm of a theory, he actually has a goal for his work, which is more than anyone here is capable of having.

>> No.2763753

>>2763746
That's hardly relevant to the point of significance if you just need peer reviewing, otherwise it's ill-defining what a science is.

>> No.2763755

>>2763741
No! I won't allow it!

FATHER told me that science only comes from the BEST, most EXCLUSIVE schools you see.

>> No.2763758

>>2763750
>He's been working on it for a while now

facepalm.jpg

Yep. Autistic kiddo knows more cosmological theory than everyone else in the field. Yep, the media is correct, no evidence is needed.

>> No.2763768

>>2763758
>Yep. Autistic kiddo knows more cosmological theory than everyone else in the field.
Now that's just a primacy and anchoring effect with forced hyperboles.

>> No.2763773

>>2763753
Considering that the kid is postulating a cosmological hypothesis that has not been reviewed by appro...

Would you really go to a veterinarian to get your cancer treated?

>> No.2763776

He'll never accomplish anything. I see no evidence that he actually understands anything he's saying. The integration by parts video was essentially just him reciting a textbook. Autistic people memorize and repeat things they've heard quite frequently. His 'genius' is shallow.

>> No.2763778

>>2763768
Considering that "hyperbole" was directed at the media, it's significantly less hyperbolic.

>> No.2763780

>>2763773
1). Not a valid metaphor or comparison
2). Yes if I was a cat.

>> No.2763782

>>2763778
Then you don't truly comprehend what a hyperbole is.

>> No.2763787

>>2763782
You clearly don't know what sarcasm is.

>> No.2763790

>>2763787
Because you fail at it, which is difficult to perform even for nonintellectuals.

>> No.2763792

>>2763780
You're not, you're a human, and it turns out that IUPUI only offers up to a bachelors in cosmology.

Fuck you for sucking television dick AS HARD AS YOU FUCKING CAN.

>> No.2763795

>>2763790
Considering your opinion, I have to say your opinion is wrong.

>> No.2763801

>>2763792
See >>2763674

Und ad hom.

>> No.2763803

>>2763795
Only the one who thinks an opinion is truly capable of defining "right" or "wrongness" is the truly wrong individual.

>> No.2763806

>>2763801
WTF ever. No potential for peer review in cosmology = no potential for peer review in cosmology.

>> No.2763808

>>2763792
>it turns out that IUPUI only offers up to a bachelors in cosmology
Honestly that still makes the college appropriate and rightful for giving peer reviews for hypothesis, the worst they'll do is forward it to another university for further review, which is likely is going to happen once his hypothesis is pushed into a theory.

>> No.2763810

Buy him a whiteboard!

>> No.2763811

>>2763806
See >>2763674 again with that reading comprehension.

>> No.2763812

>>2763803
Peer review says your opinion is invalid.

>> No.2763813

>>2763812
Then you don't know what peer reviewing truly is, but at least you're proving that previous assumption.

>> No.2763815

>>2763808
That means his theories have not been subject to appropriate peer review.

>> No.2763820

>>2763815
Well of course not, they're not theories yet, just hypothesis'.

>> No.2763821

>>2763813
Your assumption is invalid.

My hair is a bird.

>> No.2763826

>>2763820
Oh, now you say they're a hypothesis. It was a peer reviewed theory a few posts ago.

>> No.2763827

I dont really understand what hes saying, but i know i dont like him.

>> No.2763831

>>2763821
Well at least you're proving you're not mentally capable of making a valid statement.

>> No.2763834

>>2763831
Coming from you, that's a compliment.

>> No.2763837

>>2763826
No that's just an anchoring effect, no one claimed he had theories, just that they he had peer reviewed hypothesis that's going to take several years in order for them to become theories for which they'll then be subject to further peer reviewing. Otherwise it's just poor reading comprehension on that part.

>> No.2763839

>>2763834
Which only further proves that previous assumption.

>> No.2763845

>>2763837
I got the feeling that every accepting fucktard ITT was claiming that he was correct because the media shitstorm counts as peer revue.

>> No.2763850

>>2763839
Stop making love to me.

>> No.2763855

>>2763845
I get the feeling you believe that that's the current situation only because you want it to be the current situation.

>> No.2763861

>>2763855
I don't see the claims of "peer review" as being accurate at all.

>> No.2763863

>>2763861
Again, considering it's behind a threshold of text, it seems inaccurate because the person wants it to be inaccurate.

>> No.2763874

>>2763863

Considering the source of the peer review, skepticism is a legitimate reaction.

>> No.2763882

>>2763874
It can be, but it's still mostly there because they want it to be there.

>> No.2763910

>>2763882
Which is why the media hyped it so hard. It made IUPUI look good too.

That is not the same as "legitimate".

>> No.2763915

>>2763910
Yes it is, as long as they have some scientific community there (protip: most professors would need a masters or PhD to teach bachelor courses), it's valid to review; and if they're not they'll just send it to another university for review like most undergrad schools do.

>> No.2763919

>>2763915
Now you're just being contrary AND grasping at straws.

>> No.2763922

>>2763915
cite their community.

>> No.2763925

>>2763919
Only a discreditability of an establishments reputable nature because of a level and source of attentive backing would be grasping at straws.

>> No.2763932

>>2763922
>www.science.iupui.edu
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_University_%E2%80%93_Purdue_University_Indianapolis#IU_Prog
rams

>> No.2763941

Oh my fucking god.


IUPUI doesn't have a cosmology department AT ALL!

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

>> No.2763945

>>2763941
They don't even offer astronomy courses for fucks sake.

>> No.2763948

>>2763941
Wat

>> No.2763959

>>2763945
>>2763941
so wait, this kid is just learning this shit on his own and doing his own theories? that's... actually a lot more impressive to be honest, even for adults autodidacticism is difficult. i haven't read the thread yet though

>> No.2763962

>>2763959
Go to hell, you fucking troll.

>> No.2763965

The kids a gemuiuns!

BUNP DA THREAD!

>> No.2763968

>>2763962
What have you accomplished in your life? Or by age 18?

>> No.2763976

>>2763968
SOOPAH COSMZO GENIUS KID!

BUNP DA TRED!

TV = 1, 4CHON = 0

>> No.2763981

>>2763976
Answer the question if you're intelligent enough to do so.

>> No.2763992

>>2763981

>doing his own theories?
He's not "doing his own theories", and there is no-one at IUPUI capable of reviewing his work.

Being the center of a media shitstorm is not an accomplishment, it's an embarrassment.

>> No.2763996

I've got notebooks full of mathematical theories I tinkered with while speeding on amphetamine at high school. Does that make me qualified to comment on current scientific theories?

Hell no!

>> No.2764005

>>2763992
>there is no-one at IUPUI capable of reviewing his work
Any proof to this claim? They wouldn't have a science department if this was true.

>> No.2764006

>>2763968
I had bullshit ideas about the universe when I was a child. I am sure many people on /sci/ have had ideas that they thought 'hey that's a revelation' when they were kids after reading books that were a little too advanced for them.
Fortunately my parents never paraded me in front of TV cameras to make me look like a know it all jackass.

>> No.2764009

>>2764006
Okay, but have you actually accomplished in your life or by age 18? Like actual such achievements?

>> No.2764012

>>2764006
Every dumb ass pretty little girl that's into make-up and girly shit has dreams of becoming a pop star. We don't usually indulge their childish fantasies unless their name is Rebecca Black.

>> No.2764022

>>2764005

They have computing, chemistry, engineering and biology courses.

No.

>> No.2764023

>>2764006
Everybody has ideas that they consider impressive or unique, you're not anything special.

>> No.2764026

>>2764022
That doesn't prove there's no one qualified in the university to peer review him. Do you have any proof that's solid and abstract?

>> No.2764032
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2764032

>>2764026
For cosmology?

They have no-one capable of reviewing his theories.

Captcha: efool Edmonson

>> No.2764036

>>2764032
Is there any proof of that though?

>> No.2764039

>>2764032
They have a physics course. That's sort of like cosmology.

>> No.2764043

>>2764039
Well cosmology includes physics.

>> No.2764044

>>2764009
I achieved a basic education. Obtained a passion for science. Developed modesty and some self respect that prevented me from publicly spouting bullshit.
I had also achieved a sense of my own ignorance in science.

>> No.2764048

>>2764044
But those are basic and standard achievements. Do you have any accomplishments and achievements that makes you stand out and worth something?

>> No.2764049

>>2764043
There you go. Peer review confirmed. Good enough for me.

Now, I got to get back to my bible studies.

>> No.2764055

>>2764023
>Everybody has ideas that they consider impressive or unique, you're not anything special.
Exactly the point of my post. There is nothing remarkable about a child having bullshit ideas about the universe.

>> No.2764056

>>2764048
That kid is worth something because of the media shitstorm, not because he has proven anything.

An angry Korean with a gun is worth as much as this kid, by these standards.

>> No.2764061

>>2764056
Well I'm asking for achievements that make you worth something, not media attention. And I'm not asking about his and the Korean's achievements, and I'm asking about YOUR achievements. Do you have any that stand out and of worth?

>> No.2764066

>>2764061
The kid has achieved NOTHING.

>> No.2764069
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2764069

I have a feeling that most of /sci/ in this thread is the middle panel. But that other child prodigy, what's his Asian face, slipped back into obscurity like almost any scientist.

>> No.2764071

>>2764048
Neither did this kid make any "accomplishments and achievements" that I consider worthy, but it seems he is lacking "those are basic and standard achievements" that I did achieve.
He is only 12 so we can not expect the basic achievements of an 18 year old.

>> No.2764077

>>2764066
He's achieved in developing a hypothesis and going to an undergrad at such a young age. Now what are YOUR such achievements? I'm only asking about your accomplishments, not his.

>> No.2764079

>>2764066
Now, now. The kid has proven that IUPUI will accept students for courses they do not offer to start a media shitstorm like the worthless desperate whores they are.

MMMmmm, delicious college politics, just like Cambridge likes to fuck-up.

>> No.2764081

>>2764071
>"those are basic and standard achievements"
He's in college at a young age and becoming a scientist through it. Now what about you?

>> No.2764084

>>2764077
>Undergrad

I just wish they taught the course he is supposed to be an undergrad of.

>> No.2764085

>>2764081
Everyone who is autistic deserves the same chance.

>> No.2764087

wow. unwarranted jelly ITT
who cares about this gnat. Hasn't amounted to shit yet. sure he learns fast but you guys are raging like he's going to fuck up science

>> No.2764089

>>2764084
So he's teaching himself cosmology? That's another accomplishment to add to his résumé.

Now yours?

>> No.2764090

>>2764085
Doesn't answer the question.

>> No.2764093

>>2764089
No, he's not. He's copying without comprehending. That's the problem.

>> No.2764094

ITT: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

Who cares about his achievements, that doesn't mean I should just agree with everything he says.

>> No.2764095

>>2764090
It does if you are an attention whore like IUPUI.

>> No.2764098

>>2764093
He's developing a hypothesis, sounds like he comprehends very well. Do you comprehend it?

>> No.2764099

>>2764093
>He's copying
That's like all what learning is in the first place.

>> No.2764101

>>2764095
No it doesn't, I'm asking about your achievements and accomplishments, nothing about him, just yours. Or do you even have any?

>> No.2764105

>>2764099
>Memorization is enough.

Try it.

>> No.2764108

>>2764101
HE doesn't have any.

In that, our accomplishments are just like yours.

>> No.2764109

>>2764108
I'm not asking about him, I'm asking about your accomplishments and achievements. What are they? And are they valid?

>> No.2764113

y'all trolls postin' in a troll thread

>> No.2764115

>>2764101
I saved my family from financial ruin by causing the bank to reevaluate a business loan before the price of oil dropped like a stone.

We were going to buy, the delay saved our assets.

Sure, it's a "You lost so hard you won." moment, but there you go.

>> No.2764117

yall trolls postin' in a troll thread

>> No.2764120

>>2764109
I haven't seen a reason to justify myself to you at all.

>> No.2764121

>>2764101
My achievements - Authorship in large pile of peer reviewed scientific publications. More than 20 at my last count.
There are some very young people who have authorships in peer reviewed publications - Full Respect to them. Not me, I was out of Uni before the publications began to flow.
I have even been on T.V. and in News Papers but this is not an achievement I consider worthy.

>> No.2764130

>>2764121
But are they solid, memorable, contributive, grand, and worthwhile achievements?

>>2764120
I'm not asking for justifications, just accomplishments, so far you've proven to have none.

>> No.2764142

>>2764130

I own 4 colleges AND the financial institutions that grant student loans for them. Is that an accomplishment?

>> No.2764146

>>2764142
But did you contribute anything to the scientific community? Professionally and personally?

>> No.2764152

>>2764146
I give to the scientific community by providing education.

>> No.2764160

>>2764142
I would say that it depends on how you managed to do that. Also with free market that is hardly big achievemen, considering that some would do it anyway.

>> No.2764162

>>2764152
But have you personally added something to it other than education?

>> No.2764169

Sakharov disproved Big Bang 50 years ago, kiddie. Go back to middle school.

>> No.2764174

>>2764130
I am a professional scientist (an astronomer).

>> No.2764178

>>2764174

As opposed to amateur scientist ? Derp derp.

>> No.2764179
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2764179

ITT: Massive Jelly

>> No.2764181

>>2764160
>>2764162

What are your contributions and accomplishments?

I at least provide opportunity to those willing to work for it.

>> No.2764184

>>2764178
Plenty of amateur astronomers out there doing science.

>> No.2764186

>>2764181
But have you made direct contributions?

>> No.2764188

>>2764186
I'm still waiting for yours.

>> No.2764192

>>2764186
Funding to the science departments when they are inadequately attended.

>> No.2764193

>>2764188
There's no need for mine. What are you direct contributions to science?

>> No.2764196

>>2764192
But any capitalist can do that. I'm looking for direct contributions.

>> No.2764198

>>2764192

Science doesn't need "funding". That's why you never contributed to anything in science. You think about money when it's about ideas.

Sputnik was built by a single man, against all of NASA (approx 382904389089048084 MIT graduates).

>> No.2764200

>>2764193
Oh yes. You need to provide us with an accomplishment.

In other words, it's your turn.

>> No.2764206

ITT:
>YOU CAN'T CRITICIZE MOVIES UNLESS YOU'VE MADE ONE YOURSELF!
>YOU CAN'T CRITICIZE MUSIC UNLESS YOU'RE A MUSICIAN!
>YOU CAN'T CRITICIZE VIDEO GAMES UNLESS YOU'VE DEVELOPED ONE YOURSELF!
>YOU CAN'T CRITICIZE UNIX BASED OPERATING SYSTEMS UNLESS YOU'RE A SYSADMIN WITH A NECKBEARD!
>YOU CAN'T POINT OUT THE FLAWS IN THE SCIENTIFIC THEORIES OF OTHERS UNLESS YOU'RE A SCIENTIST WITH MANY PEER REVIEWED STUDIES!

>> No.2764207

>>2764196
>>2764198

It's a big deal when there are not enough students to fill seats, and the economy is in the gutter.

>> No.2764208

>>2764200
There's no need. Yours?

>> No.2764210

>>2764188
If you are born rich or get lucky some other way then owning something is not a big achievement. If you did some actual work and perhaps did some actual science in some point the it's good.

>> No.2764211

>>2764207
But it's not a contribution to science, just education and the university as a whole.

>> No.2764218

>>2764198
What? Of course science needs funding.
Even though I am passionate about astronomy I am not able to do it for free.
The instrument I use costs more than you would probably make in 10 lifetimes.
Without funding contributions some of them private but most from public research grants there would not be much science going on.

>> No.2764219

>>2764208
I said mine. That's why it's your turn.

>> No.2764220

>>2764207
Perhaps the seats are empy because of people like you. If the universities didn't cost so much
1) There would be less need for direct funding
2) There would be more people going there.

>> No.2764222

>>2764219
You didn't give a direct contribution or accomplishment, just general and loose ones, what are they?

>> No.2764225

>>2764220
>>2764211
>>2764210

If you don't know how it works, and you don't, you can't really point fingers.

What have YOU contributed?

>> No.2764229

>>2764222

You go first.

>> No.2764231

>>2764225
Well have you contributed to science that's direct, abstract, objective, and solid? That doesn't include funding or providing it.

>> No.2764234

>>2764229
No, only you have to, what are your direct contributions to science?

>> No.2764236

>>2764231
I don't see anything ITT that meets your demands, or for that matter, ever posted or postulated on /sci/.

>> No.2764241

>>2764236
So you don't have any real contributions or achievements then?

>> No.2764244

>>2764225
I'm just here to criticize your "achievements"
From this post
>>2764142
Don't know about the other people

>> No.2764246

>>2764234
All of science. Everything is mine, I just relabeled it with ghost scientists.

>> No.2764251

>>2764241
Of course I do, I just can't see why I should tell you.

>> No.2764252

>>2764246
Okay, and what effect did it have on the community?

>> No.2764256

>>2764246
>Thiks that he has personally done something great, just because he was lucky and the system in general is shit
You probably take credit of everything your father has done?
Owning things doesn't make you a good person. Doing stuff is what is good.

>> No.2764258

>>2764251
To prove that you do, otherwise you're making it obvious you have none.

>> No.2764260

>>2764252
I created the whole scientific community.

>> No.2764261

>>2764258
Of course I do. Now, what have you contributed?

>> No.2764264

>>2764260
Btw did you hear that i'm the God

>> No.2764265

>>2764261
And what are they?

>> No.2764267

>>2764260
And what effect did that have on the community?

>> No.2764268

It's most likely that an English Major from some state school wrote this article, and that whoever he or she is, is trolling all of you hard right now.

Proof: May I point your attention to this passage from the article:
> "From within his 12-year-old, mildly autistic mind, there gradually flowed long strings of pluses, minuses, funky letters and upside-down triangles -- a tapestry of complicated symbols that few can understand."

Who else but a liberal arts student (and a shitty one at that, since any writer worth their salt actually researches whatever they're writing about) would describe gradient and partial derivatives that way.

In conclusion, stop getting trolled by some BA.

>> No.2764269

>>2764264
No, I'm God. I should know, everyone makes unjustified demands of me.

>> No.2764276

>>2764267
It exists, so now an autistic boy can bring more funding to IUPUI with total media-whore bullshit, and you can waste several hours defending his badly-copied garbage.

>> No.2764280

Okay, is there a page with his theories or something? Because that article makes my head hurt with its stupidity and I'm curious what other great things he did (supposedly, "Jake has invented a new entire subject of math (he did it in a few days.")

>> No.2764281

THIS THREAD:
"I can't believe a 12 year old kid is smarter than me! I'll try my hardest to discredit him and point out the mistakes that he makes."

>> No.2764284

>>2764276
Existence is not a contribution to itself, I'm looking for an effect on the community.

>> No.2764292

As a scientist, I would now like to thank all of those who have helped provide us with an education and provided direct funding to research.
That includes the tax payer (you).
Without your help the scientific breakthroughs that have bought us all the benefits our society now enjoys would not be possible.
Give yourself a pat on the back.

>> No.2764296

Being a God is tough nowadays.
I spend my time mostly granting home runs and shit like that. Got hardly any time for myself. Sometimes i like to give people these crazy visions, and see what the do afterwards.

>> No.2764305

>>2764284
The community exists. If I did not create the community, then you wouldn't care, and an autistic boy with theories that can't be properly peer reviewed at the college he attends couldn't be turned into a circus freak.

>> No.2764311

I really don't get his "brilliant" argument, could someone please paraphrase?

>> No.2764316

>>2764305
>Implying that your work is unique and only thing that keeps the community there.
>Implying that there are not thousands of people in line to take your place if you left

Existance is not an achievement.

Working is an achievement.
Being unique is an achievement.
Creating something that could not be replaced is an achievement.

>> No.2764321

>>2764316
I want to see you create a community.

>> No.2764325

>>2764321
Who says i didn't create one already?

But the most important question is still unaswered, how did you create it all? Was it working or with luck.

Besides, you could leave today (kill yourself take a vacation, whatever) and soon there would be somebody just like you in your place. Owning something is not an achievement. Give someone enough money and they can own anything. That doesn't mean it was hard to do or great achievement.

>> No.2764328

Little kid is smart but he misunderstands the big bang.

>> No.2764331

>>2764325
Basically you have contributed nothing.

>> No.2764334

>>2763435
old post, but this reminds of Feynman

>> No.2764337

He might be good at math but he seems to have no idea what he is talking about.
It seems that he's just a smart kid in a pool of fools and so he's used to always being right. In this case he's simply wrong (If the explanation given is an accurate one of his thoughts....)

>> No.2764341

>>2764311
>All of the metals in the universe (everything heavier than Lithium) is created in stars.
>Only big stars can enrich the universe with metals.
(This is Fail. Basic 100 level stellar evolution or wikipedia would have told him this)
>There is a higher concentration metals in the universe than there should be.
>The universe must be older to make all of the metals.
Green text is paraphrase.
I had to put in a refutation because I am like that.

>> No.2764342

>>2764331
Are you this quy
>>2764321

I havn't said anything about my contributions. I'm just here to tell you owning something is not an achievemnt unless you work for it.

Achievements are not so much about the end, but the path you take.
Grand ends can be great achievements but if the path is wrong they might not be.
Lesser ends can be great achievements if the path is the correct one.

One person climbs a vertical mountain wall.
The other one flies to the top with helicopter
Same end result different path
One is achiever, the other is not.

>> No.2764349
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2764349

What the hell is going on in this thread?

>> No.2764354

>>2764342
>One person climbs a vertical mountain wall.
>The other one flies to the top with helicopter

I built the mountain wall, and the helicopter

>> No.2764363

>>2764342
Any retard can build a wall but it takes someone with skill and dedication to design and build a helicopter

>> No.2764371

>>2764354
So you started out as a poor?

Besides you don't seem to understand the analogy.

>>2764363
Not sure what you are saying here, but i agree that helicopter building is hard(i couldn't do it) But it takes no skill to buy one or hire someone to do it for you.

>> No.2764373

>>2764371
>So you started out as a poor?

Mountains don't grow on trees.

>> No.2764391

>>2764373
What the hell
I take that as a no

Then you have indeed taken the easy route.
This means that your achievement of owning something is useless. You don't deserve too much credit. This depends of course what you actually do, but likely it is so that you don't earn too much credit. Don't worry though it doesn't make you a horrible person, unless you are horrible person.

>> No.2764394

Isn't he the "homo" kid from a while back?

>> No.2764395

>>2764391
>I take that as a yes
fixed
Your lateral problem, not mine.

>> No.2764398

>>2764395
So you did start as a poor?

How poor exactly?

>> No.2764400

>>2764398
I had to eat the shoebox in the middle of the road that I lived in.

>> No.2764401

I've heard about this kid before, he's a hardcore Christianfuck.

>> No.2764410

Wait? Is taking calc 2 at 13 really considered genius? Because I know some high school students who should be receiving grants.

This thread is mostly trolls, the kids 13. Probably fucked in the head by his crazy parents, and pressure to preform to wildly exploited stories. Just leave it alone. He might come up with something, but I doubt it if this much attention is kept on him.

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>>2764394

>> No.2764422

>>2764400
Then we I would say that rising from the shoebox eating to owning some buildings is somewhat good achievement. That can be hard feat in places like US where you are most likely to be at the same income level than your parents. Still it's not too big of a deal. You get good effort points, and depending on the policies you have and all other things theres some room to move around for few extra points. But owning something is still in it self quite a small achievement, so you get low points for that. Still quite good performance ecpecially in the US (i presume you are from there)
perhaps 5 or 5,5 in a scale of (actively destroy everything) 0 - 10 (saviour of mankind)
Depends a lot from the actual work and fine detail but still.

All this asuming that you are not trolling, which is very likely considering the nature of this site.

>> No.2764425

>>2764422
Parents? I couldn't afford them.

>> No.2764456
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2764456

>mfw he'll never get laid

>> No.2764458

>>2764206
How is this fallacy called?

>> No.2764483

>>2764458
it's not a fallacy. There's nothing "logical" going on here.

Closest perhaps "ad hominem", or something related to "argument by authority".

>> No.2764484

>>2764415
Thank you...I'll be taking this to /b/ now. Ciao!

>> No.2764635

maybe he'll do something useful, maybe he won't
he haven't really done anything yet, so only time will tell
But making him believe that he's special probably won't do him any good.

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2764850

If /sci/ isn't tsundere for this kid then this thread just proves how desperate and insecure everyone here is

>> No.2764874

top of the stack disclaimage

>> No.2765511

I wonder if anyone else will make a thread about this?