/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.2757160]

Why should we go to mars if we can't even take care of Erf?

[Anonymous No.2757163]

so we have a backup planet for when earth goes down the shitter

[Anonymous No.2757170]

Because people like to fling shit, just like monkeys.

[Anonymous No.2757180]

because this:
www.mediafire.com/?jqinzztzjmf

[Anonymous No.2757197]

Because neoliberalism demands that the market should be the central pivot of human society. So taking care of earth isn't really a priority because there's no immediate profit in it. So we need to get to mars so big corporations can exploit it for maximum profit while making people believe it's in everyone's best interest, while education, true equality and justice aren't.

[Anonymous No.2757217]

Studying mars will offer fascinating insight into geology, the history of the solar system, and potentially fossils of bacteria.

We may want to colonize it so that earth is not the only known planet that harbors sentient life, thus using it as a backup.

However, it may be more efficient to wait for post-human intelligence to colonize/mine mars, rather than sending canned primates.

[Anonymous No.2757223]

>>2757197
Well, arent we optimistic. I personally beleive that if humans go to mars, people will realise that religion doeant make sense, seeing that god created earth for earth, but we are able to live on mars. With this, education will rapidly advance. And profit doesnt always mean a bad thing, and can go hand in hand with education, justice and such.

[Anonymous No.2757231]

Even as a backup, Mars is shit compared to a fucked up and toxic Erf. Mars provides data and foreign information that can help us better Erf for long term survival living as modern humans. The moon is a better place to go.

[Anonymous No.2757235]

>>2757223
Herpderp, you're hoping for a lot of miracles.

[Anonymous No.2757240]

Meh, I personally think that America could have been on mars.

However, America stopped advancing at playing golf on the moon... which should already be colonized.

As for why? Simple, our start will one day die and advancing technology through practical colonization may one day lead to a break through that allows us as a species to inhabit multiple solar systems.

Continues the assurance that we will survive.

[Anonymous No.2757244]

>>2757235
Yes, im letting my letting my desires get in the way of logic, but its okay to pretend. That people will do whats right, always fun to pretend.

[Anonymous No.2757245]

>>2757217
sending canned-primates is what leads to future generations to be able to colonize mars

they can't just suddenly do it out of thin air just because time has passed, it's called progress

[Anonymous No.2757267]

>>2757160
Because humans will always be humans. 30,000 years of civilization and we are still the same shit flinging, xenophobic monkeys we have always been. Better to diversify our habitats just in off chance somebody with a lot of power has a bad day and decides to fuck everything up for everyone. That said, Mars is a long term goal. Step one should be building up our orbital infrastructure so future space missions won't cost an arm and a leg just in propulsion costs.

[Anonymous No.2757276]

>>2757267
Meant 10k years, not 30k. Derp

[Anonymous No.2757277]

We should go to Mars cause we can't take care of Erf.

[Anonymous No.2757288]

>>2757276
30k is more accurate than 10k

[Anonymous No.2757291]

because it needs moms

[Anonymous No.2757301]

>>2757288
Not really. If you count the agricultural revolution as the beginning of actual civilization, then it would be ~10k years (~8k BC - 2011 AD)

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2757302]

In the early days of /sci/ we would've had loads of people interested in an intelligent conversation about Mars.

FREE MARS

[Anonymous No.2757322]

>>2757302
Hey, you're still here Inurdaes? Let's put some cool utopian shit on Mars! How would be the economy?

[Anonymous No.2757329]

To pawn those Russians!

Nah, there isn't a reason except to look cool.

[Anonymous No.2757333]

>>2757302
try going to school stupid ass faggot

wow i bet your mom is ashamed you were even given birth to by such a dumb bitch that she which would give birth to such a pathetic moron like you

let me guess you still think progenitus is prescriptive and not descriptive? how did i know? no surprise coming from a fucking piece of shit lowbrow lowlife lowball moron

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2757340]

>>2757322
Very much the same as in the TRS with lower prices for rare-earth elements for being closer to the asteroid belt.
>>2757333
I laughed

[Anonymous No.2757464]

Yes to mars.

[Anonymous No.2757482]

>>2757340

How likely are rare-earth elements in the asteroid belt? Also, what kind of spacecraft are going to be used to mine the belt?

[Anonymous No.2757483]

[Anonymous No.2757494]

>>2757333

[Anonymous No.2757502]

>>2757482
Stations on bigger asteroids, this on smaller ones.

[Anonymous No.2757509]

>>2757502

hmm, intredasting

[Anonymous No.2757517]

>>2757333
Instead of trolling for it on /sci/ maybe you should try getting some attention from your friends.
O RITE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY FRIENDS

Please die.

[Anonymous No.2757544]

(2*pi*sigma^2)^-2 * exp[ -(x-mu)^2 * 1/2sigma^2]

The area under this is erf- i think i've taken care of it pretty well.

[Anonymous No.2757557]

>>2757517

[Anonymous No.2757552]

Mars is only worth it if something is there to make it worth it. Obviously we would have to teraform, so the whole just living there because we can thing is out.

Wait until we run out of some element on earth and find some on mars, thats when well colonize.

Honestly its not any more dangerous than living in some parts of the world, its just expensive and you have to realize some of the colonies will fail...just like many of the first colonies to the US failed.

[Anonymous No.2757632]

>>2757552
>Wait until we run out of some element on earth
Like the element Not-getting-hit-by-a-big-fucking-rock-294?

The one that's extremely important for life?
Ten out of ten doctors who know their shit recommend a daily dose of 100% pure Not-getting-hit-by-a-big-fucking-rock-294.

You know it doesn't even have a half-life.
One second the world is full of it and the next, all of it is gone.

It's. Just. Fucking. Gone.

[Anonymous No.2757658]

>>2757632
I have no idea what you are trying to communicate.

Earth is running out of elements, we have explored what 1% of mars? So in 100-200 years when we need X, maybe mars will have it and it will be more economical than starting a war to get?

[Anonymous No.2757669]

>>2757658

I think the communication is that getting hit by a huge fucking rock is a bad thing. And if it happens we're fucked.

How is this not obvious? What the fuck, man?

[Anonymous No.2757683]

>>2757669
Thank you. I've been sitting here, trying to come up with a response for a while now, but I'm not sure I could make the point any clearer.

[Anonymous No.2757689]

>>2757669
>How is this not obvious? What the fuck, man?

Ok but what does that have to do with anything I posted?

Is he trying to suggest it would be easier to move everyone to mars instead of moving an asteroid off course?

[Anonymous No.2757702]

>but I'm not sure I could make the point any clearer
>running out of elements on earth
>getting hit by a big rock

Are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.2757712]

The fine dust of Mars is a really big issue.

Russia is currently working on a simulation of a team traveling to Mars. Currently the team is on their way back from Mars in the simulation.

Sources: Fuck you I'm not looking them up, that's your job.

[Anonymous No.2757723]

>The fine dust of Mars is a really big issue.

Dig a hole, live in it.

Sometimes the simplest solution are the best ones.

[Anonymous No.2757724]

>>2757702
Sweet graph, I've certainly noticed this relationship occurring, well spotted.

[Anonymous No.2757743]

>>2757689
Yeah, it would be swell to steer that rock away from earth.
IF we had a sizeable presence in space.
IF we had a plausible heavy-lift option.
IF the rock happened to NOT be a mountain of gravel.
IF Spaceguard had a thousand times more funding.
IF the rock was detected far enough.

There is no
>Bruce Willis LOL

There is no
>Secret nuclear military-shuttle LOL

What there is, is one fucking eggbasket, without ANY current way to stop the car-sized mallet that's on it's way.

I wish I was surprised that the survival imperative is totally lost for so many posters on /sci/.

[Anonymous No.2757744]

>>2757724
>Sweet graph, I've certainly noticed this relationship occurring, well spotted.

Its all thanks to you, your mental capacity, or lack there of, was my muse!

[Anonymous No.2757790]

To get back on track to Mars
science.ksc.nasa.gov/biomed/marsdome/

>The Mars Greenhouse project is part of the Advanced Life Support system for the mission to Mars. The Mars Dome Project (MDP) is designed to grow plants in an enclosed structure under reduced pressure. This system includes a dome enclosure, an environmental control system, a plant growth system, data logging system, and an external vacuum vessel. Each of these systems are integrated by the use of a solid-state control device located inside the base of the Atmospheric Tower Management System (ATMS).

[Anonymous No.2757802]

>>2757743
>>2757743
You do realize how unlikely it is right? The last rock hit earth millions of years ago, you know why?

BECAUSE THE EARTH IS MOVING 66,660 MILES PER HOUR AROUND THE SUN.

Also, we wouldnt have to blow it up, or split it in half; this isnt the movies. We would have to move it ~.1 degrees off course, then by the time it got to us, it would completely miss us.

Assuming we knew about it years in advance.

[Anonymous No.2757810]

>>2757790
I doubt this picture. Wouldnt it be far less taxing, due to the dust storms, to have everything in a protected bunker and just use solar power/nuclear reactor to produce artificial light?

[Anonymous No.2757890]

>>2757802
[sarcasm]It's nice to see you read my post so thoroughly[/sarcasm], let me RE-iterate:
You:
>Also, we wouldnt have to blow it up, or split it in half; this isnt the movies.
Me:
>...steer that rock away...
>There is no
>Bruce Willis LOL
>There is no
>Secret nuclear military-shuttle LOL

You:
>We would have to move it ~.1 degrees off course, then by the time it got to us, it would completely miss us.
>Assuming we knew about it years in advance.
Me:
>IF the rock happened to NOT be a mountain of gravel.
>IF Spaceguard had a thousand times more funding.
>IF the rock was detected far enough.

Also:
>The last rock hit earth millions of years ago, you know why?
If you think the Chicxulub impact was the last one to occur, then woe is you.

Of course, I'm now assuming you just either didn't read my post or utterly failed to understand it.
If you can keep a civil tongue and give some better points, I will assume that is so, instead of just ignoring you as a troll, which seem to be aiming for.

[снайпер No.2757913]

Smash Phobos into Mars and then colonize Venus.

[Anonymous No.2757925]

>>2757913
lol

[Anonymous No.2757931]

>>2757890
Your post was all gibberish, what did you expect?

The difficulty is moving the rock is only going to be based on its mass. They have many solutions on how to do this based on its mass. It doesnt really matter if its one big rock, or 500,000, thats not how physics works.

Also do you really think we wouldnt give the program more funding if it needed it? Think everyone would go "well we could move the rock but instead heres a $432 tax refund for everyone".

Honestly all your posts are nothing but retard dribble, you killed this thread, congratulations on your monthly check from the government.

[Anonymous No.2757959]

Do you think we could find stable caves on Mars big enough to put at least a temporary basecamp in?

There were those pics of the deep round holes somewhere, but I can't seem to find any new information on them.

>>2757931
Okay, I get it , you're a troll.
Ignored, moving on...

[Anonymous No.2757980]

>>2757959
>you have a different opinion than me so you are a troll

Also
>Do you think we could find stable caves on Mars big enough to put at least a temporary basecamp in?
Are you really this stupid? You think the whole planet has no caves / man made caves would be hard to make?

[Anonymous No.2758033]

>>2757980
>legitimate question
>are you stupid?

Also, the problem here isn't that my posts are hard to follow, IF you know something about the topic. It's somewhat annoying that you get all your shit in a huff because I pointed this out.

Oh, and never mind about the question of caves, found some info:
http://www.space.com/3891-deep-hole-mars.html
>In April, it was announced that the NASA Mars Odyssey and its Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) found near the equator seven dark spots that scientists think could be entrances to underground caves.

Furthermore, if someone is interested about the Mars-mission simulator someone posted about:
http://www.physorg.com/news194769907.html
http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2010/0603/Record-520-day-Mars-mission-simulation-in-Russia-begins

[Anonymous No.2758039]

youre all forgetting that mars has no geological activity

= no magnetic field

colonising mars isnt just about terraforming.. it needs some kind of shield against all the fuck-off-and-die radiation.
Is this not the major issue we face with colonising mars?

[Anonymous No.2758073]

What they should be doing right now is building bunch of construction robots and prefab structures to send to mars in preparation for people, along with sending resources like water.

[Anonymous No.2758076]

>>2758039
It's an issue, but it's the reason I brought up the caves on mars.

But even if we couldn't get underground, it's not unsolvable. Links related.

http://spacescience.spaceref.com/newhome/headlines/msad20jul98_1.htm

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2005/25aug_plasticspaceships/

http://www.marshield.com/content/radiation_shielding/

[Anonymous No.2758113]

[Anonymous No.2758119]

[Anonymous No.2758128]

An more on the caves:
>Possible New Mars Caves Targets in Search for Life
http://www.space.com/3632-mars-caves-targets-search-life.html

>The project team also aims to design robots that can explore caves on Mars after they have been spotted. Natalie Cabrol, a planetary geologist with NASA Ames and the SETI Institute, will be integral to this part of the project.

>Cabrol is a Mars robot veteran. Before Spirit and Opportunity were sent to Mars, she helped engineers perfect their designs by field-testing the robotic rovers in the Atacama Desert in Chile.

>The researchers may have to design more than one type of robotic cave explorer. "There are many types of caves," Cabrol said in a telephone interview. "It may be that we come up with one very versatile design ... or we might end up with several designs."

This is the last of the series of pics of partially terraformed Mars, from Orion's Arms.

[Anonymous No.2758146]

>>2758076
>but it's the reason I brought up the caves on mars.
>scroll up to
>>2757723

So you are a retard and a credit stealer.

[Anonymous No.2758182]

>>2758146
>bring up natural caves
compare with
>dig a hole

What is it with you people today? If you can't post some fucking /sci/, at least have the decency to not troll.

[Anonymous No.2758199]

Since there's no actual dialogue going on, just me posting shit and a couple of people shitting up, I guess this thread is dead.