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nuclear plant chief WEPT as Japanese finally admit that radiation leak is serious enough to kill people

Officials admit they may have to bury reactors under concrete - as happened at Chernobyl

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The boss of the company behind the devastated Japanese nuclear reactor today broke down in tears - as his country finally acknowledged the radiation spewing from the over-heating reactors and fuel rods was enough to kill some citizens

They're thinking they might have to bury the plant in sand and concrete like Chernobyl if things dont get better.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-japan-quake-wrapup-20110318,0,2262753.st
ory

pic related

what now, shills?

>> No.2733069

>american media

No.

>> No.2733071

>U.S. nuclear officials suspect
>Still speculation

Keep grasping at straws hippiefags.

>> No.2733089

They should bury him on top up to his neck in concrete. Head first.

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2733096

Man, the japs engineers really fucked up. My first reaction was just to cover that shit with concrete at first blow.

CA getting the first dose of the explosion dust cloud. I wonder if anybody will get any serious shit...

>> No.2733097

>>2733089
Agreed. Maybe then he would stop posting here.

>> No.2733098

>>2733089
Why, did he cause the earthquake?

>> No.2733102

He has dishonored his family and his country and must now suffer the consequences.

>> No.2733104

>>2733098
You mean the Tsunami.

>> No.2733108

>>2733102
I believe it's Japanese tradition for him to throw himself on the fuel rods now, for the sake of his honor and that of his family.

>> No.2733111

>>2733108
No, he has to cut his abdomen open using a fuel rod.

>> No.2733112

you were right the whole time. Fuck /sci/

>> No.2733114

>>2733096
concrete does not stop radiation.
It hasn't got a high density.

>> No.2733124

The chief should perform seppuku on live TV

>> No.2733126

>>2733114
Tell that to Chernobyl.

>> No.2733130

incoming harakiri

>> No.2733135
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>>2733114
Yep. Let's dump some molten iron on top instead, wait for it to cool and MAGNETS! instant barrier which is more dense than concrete.

>> No.2733140

>>2733114
Enough of it works as well as lead.

P.S. OP has an accurate name. (cuz he's a fag)

>> No.2733141

CALIFORNIA IS FINISHED

>> No.2733150

>>2733126
lol; they used lead in chernobyl right after the concrete proved not to be enough

>> No.2733158

>>2733141
I'm from the bay area and always laugh at these comments. Reminds me of these fags that refuse to move here because they believe that an earthquake in the near future will literally cause us to break off and sink into the ocean.

>> No.2733171

>>2733158
IRRADIATED LIBERAL BUTTHURT

BUY IODINE

BUY GOLD

END THE FED

>> No.2733176

>>2733171
...I'll get right on that.

>> No.2733177

>>2733158
cool story, bro

>> No.2733179

>>2733098
He let the plant run with unsafe and outdated backup equipment.

>> No.2733184

>>2733158
I think you're confusing hope with belief.

>> No.2733194

the funny thing is the NRC massively lost face with it's claims and yet American media isn't raging over that

>> No.2733209 [DELETED] 

Reasonable response to Fukushima:
>The radiation release is minimal given the disaster that could have happened and the situation is still on edge; nuclear power is viable and probably necessary but we have to significantly up the safety standards of operational plants and review them to make sure they're equipped to handle powerful natural disasters, long periods of being cut off from a power grid, etc.

>Unreasonable responses to Fukushima:
>HURR NUCLEAR POWER IS THE SAFEST FORM OF POWER ON EARTH, ANYONE WHO DISAGREES IS A SCIENCE HATING HIPPIE DURR
>HURR NUCLEAR POWER IS THE MOST DANGEROUS THING ON THE PLANET, AND CAN NEVER BE VIABLE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES EVER DURR

>> No.2733201

You need to be a idiot not to see that the plant was deliberately sabotaged by CIA

>> No.2733202

>>2733179

no doubt he was a hero amongst management until recently, he must have saved the company so much money in upkeep costs!

>> No.2733205
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2733205

im so glad i live on the east coast. i got like a zero percent chance of getting radiated.

>> No.2733207

>>2733184
But I always thought that the internet was disproportionately liberal? How could you guise possibly hope for our demise ;_;

>> No.2733210

>>2733179
That is the first time I have ever heard anyone say that. Source?

>> No.2733217

Fuck, how irradiated is Seattle?

>> No.2733220

>>2733207
most atheist liberals are trolls

>> No.2733221

made-up event
200 replies

>> No.2733222

>>2733207

Liberals are not common. Liberals are loud. I am from California and if it doesn't clean itself up I won't exactly miss it if gets wrecked.

>> No.2733223

>>2733205
Until a muslim detonates a dirty bomb right the fuck in the middle of your precious east coast city.

>> No.2733225

Reasonable response to Fukushima:
>The radiation release is minimal given the disaster that could have happened and the situation is still on edge; nuclear power is viable and probably necessary but we have to significantly up the safety standards of operational plants and review them to make sure they're equipped to handle powerful natural disasters, long periods of being cut off from a power grid, etc.

Unreasonable responses to Fukushima:
>HURR NUCLEAR POWER IS THE SAFEST FORM OF POWER ON EARTH UNDER ALL CIRCUMSTANCES, ANYONE WHO DISAGREES IS A SCIENCE HATING HIPPIE DURR
>HURR NUCLEAR POWER IS THE MOST DANGEROUS THING ON THE PLANET, AND CAN NEVER BE VIABLE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES EVER DURR

>> No.2733229

>>2733223
>implying muslims are smart enough to do that

>> No.2733234

>>2733223
those dirty bombs have been coming since the ussr broke
turns out terrorists are smarter than nuclear exceptionalists

>> No.2733235

>>2733158
Too soon, Anon. You're gonna eat your words. California's way overdue (about 500 years) for a major earthquake (geosci major here).

>> No.2733238

i'd give a 0.1% chance that he will not commit a suicide.

>> No.2733239

>>2733222
Americans as a whole are loud and not common.

>> No.2733242

>>2733225
>but we have to significantly up the safety standards of operational plants and review them to make sure they're equipped to handle powerful natural disasters, long periods of being cut off from a power grid, etc.

The plant is old as hell, that it's held up as well as it has suggests we're more than prepared since we've only been making them safer and safer over the past decades.

>> No.2733247

>>2733235
Yeah, we know. 8.1 along the San Andreas fault. SF gets hit hardest, thousands dead, billions of dollars in damage, etc.

Bring it on.

>> No.2733251

>>2733229
>imply the majority of terrorist planners don't have more education than you.
Most are doctors and lawyers and the sort.

>> No.2733255

>>2733225
fullretard.jpg
THE ONLY PERSON WHO HAS DIED BECAUSE OF THIS DISASTER IS A GUY WHO GOT CRUSHED BY A CRANE DURING THE QUAKE.

>> No.2733257

yo when California gets sunk to the bottom of the sea by the inevitable 9.5 earthquake i aint letting any of you stay at my house.

>> No.2733261

>>2733251
A middle eastern education is not impressive. Also, most are engineers.

>> No.2733263

Nuclear is safe as long as you don't build reactors in well known earthquake and tsunami zones.

>> No.2733268

>>2733257

see >>2733158

>> No.2733272

>>2733207
Welcome to 4chan.

>> No.2733273

>>2733251
>implying that their education level matters when their plans get foiled repeatedly

>> No.2733276

>>2733263
I'd suggest building all nuclear reactors near volcanoes. I know you probably think I'm crazy, but hear me out for a minute. Of course volcano areas is a disaster zone, but if it does explode, the lava will fill up inside of the reactor and on top of the nuclear plant and then harden. This would prevent any radiation leaks.

>> No.2733278

>>2733242
>The plant is old as hell, that it's held up as well as it has suggests we're more than prepared since we've only been making them safer and safer over the past decades.

1) The plant was not designed with the possibility it could be hit by a 9.0 earthquake. That itself is a huge oversight.

2) The plant was poorly designed to handle the tsunami.

3) If the plant was designated as "safe for another ten years of operation" by inspectors a month before the quake, we need to severely reconsider safety standards, multiple containment breaches and 400 mSvs per hour is not "holding up well".

>> No.2733282

in the 90's you kept hearing reports that officials only caught 90 percent of smuggled uranium
whatever happened to that?

>> No.2733283

>>2733263

That's ridiculous. It's as safe as anything else if proper precautions are taken, no more, no less. This is a worst case scenario, and implying that it's Japan's fault because they built the plant in Mordor is bullshit. Sometimes, disasters happen and nobody is at fault (or, at least, not a total fuck-up).

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2733285

>>2733276
>mfw I had this idea when I was 12 too

>> No.2733288

>>2733273
>implying their plans eventually won't not get foiled

>> No.2733290

0/10

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2733298

here bros, some info.

http://www.zki.dlr.de/

http://www.dlr.de/en/DesktopDefault.aspx/tabid-1/86_read-29560/

>> No.2733300

>>2733298
Is that guy wearing a scarf?

>> No.2733303
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2733303

>>2733057

Time to do what your grandfather did after Iwo Jima and what your great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather did after Hideyoshi got his butt kicked by the Koreans in 1595.

>> No.2733312

>>2733278
>1) The plant was not designed with the possibility it could be hit by a 9.0 earthquake. That itself is a huge oversight.

Those occur rarely over vast stretches of time, by your logic we should meteorite proof the plants too.

>2) The plant was poorly designed to handle the tsunami.

Of that size, the size is determined by the quake that causes it.

>> No.2733313

>>2733278
There had never been a 9.0 earthquake in their entire history. Fifty years ago the damage would have been an order of magnitude greater, because the technology to make things secure simply did not exist. The fact that there was a 9.0 and we're still numbering deaths in the thousands rather than the millions speaks volumes about how prepared they were.

No, the real problem here was TEPCO's incompetence and cover-ups. The safety standards were good, and might well even have held against a 9.0 - had they been met. The problem was <span class="math">not[/spoiler] with the safety standards, the problem was with the lack of oversight in ensuring they were met - and with the lack of punishment for the individuals and corporation responsible for the incompetence in the first place.

>> No.2733317

he must now offer his life up as a sacrifice to appease the radiation god.

>> No.2733318

>>2733255
>fullretard.jpg
>THE ONLY PERSON WHO HAS DIED BECAUSE OF THIS DISASTER IS A GUY WHO GOT CRUSHED BY A CRANE DURING THE QUAKE.

Did you even read my post? Or do you just have arbitrary all caps messages you copy/paste whenever anybody doesn't unambiguously worship nuclear power?

>> No.2733327

>>2733278

Yeah, 9.0 magnitude earthquakes happen every, what, two weeks? I mean, 9.0 magnitude earthquakes have hit Japan so often, they really should have expected it. Similarly, it's ridiculous to think that the twin towers weren't built to withstand being hit by 767's. Contingencies for these kinds of nightmare, unthinkable scenarios are not only cheap and easy, they're actually possible with the dominant design paradigm of the day.

>> No.2733331

>>2733313

they were probably pressured into keeping maintenance costs low, so had to fudge the books a little. accountants have no place when safety is paramount

>> No.2733336

>>2733318
I read your post and judged it retarded. A Japanese 9.0 quake and a tsunami have truly exposed the need to prepare for those world-wide. Oh the folly of those who disagree.

>> No.2733345

The REACTOR wasn't hurt by the earthquake OR the tsunami.

The emergency backup systems were in need of replacement LOOOOOOOOOOOONG before the tsunami hit, and that's why it went to shit.

>> No.2733353

the entire management should go into the reactor theirself for telling lies over years about the nucular power plant safety

>> No.2733354

>>2733336
U sound fucking retarded earthquakes of that magnitude only happen near the edge of a tectonic plate not everywhere on the planet.

>> No.2733362

>>2733312
>Those occur rarely over vast stretches of time, by your logic we should meteorite proof the plants too.

9.0s occur once approximately a decade:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_earthquakes#Largest_earthquakes_by_magnitude

The idea that this was a "freak event" that will happen as often as a meteorite striking Earth is at best just stupid, ignorant, bullshit.

>> No.2733363

>>2733354
> implying Japan is not near said edge

>> No.2733367

>>2733300

yeah, dont anglosaxions wear scarfs?

>> No.2733375

>>2733336
See >>2733362

>> No.2733382
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2733382

>>2733354
But a tsunami could hit Germany so Merkel closed German reactors.

>> No.2733383

>>2733363
>Implying that I didn't know japan was on the ring of fire

>> No.2733393

>>2733375
> implying quakes a global event

>> No.2733396
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2733396

Pokemon tears will set things the way they used to be.

>> No.2733402

>>2733393
No, I'm not. Literacy isn't your strong pint.

>> No.2733405

>>2733393
> implying this thread hasn't reached an illegal number of implications
stop it

>> No.2733410

>>2733402
well then you are only retarded like the others

>> No.2733411

>>2733402
>strong pint

lololol irony

>> No.2733416

>>2733362

Given that meteorites touching down is an incredibly common event, I doubt that, but I assume you mean one large enough to do spontaneous damage to a nuclear reactor.

Still, this is an unprecedented catastrophe for Japan. Acting like this was a routine inevitability is disingenuous.

>> No.2733425

>>2733396
The meltdown is going to make real Pokemon.

>> No.2733427

dumb bitch. is she actually wearing that?

german fags have a hooker as their president.

>> No.2733437

>>2733427
Palin > Merkel
checkmate europe

>> No.2733449

>>2733437
Falin' Palin doesn't count as a politician.

>> No.2733452

>>2733416
>Still, this is an unprecedented catastrophe for Japan. Acting like this was a routine inevitability is disingenuous.

Sorry, saying that nuclear reactors are well prepared for everything except the things that weren't expected is a worthless argument. Japan had access to worldwide earthquake records, they aren't excused under the notion that they extrapolated from local data and noticed that they'd never had a 9.0 earthquake in recorded history in their country before.

>> No.2733455

Nuclear power is unlikely to ever become the dominant fuel source now. Fissable material will run out within a few hundred years for sure and feasible fusion may never be possible.

What could be our next energy source?

I'd guess either solar (massive arrays on the equator) or some kind of bioengineered enzyme fuel production.

>> No.2733459

>>2733437
Merkel has a Ph.D in physic.
Palin doesn't know that Africa is a continent.

>> No.2733462

>>2733452
they didn't do that
they could take the quake
they couldn't take flooding
or rather the flood flooded the places they would have plugged new batteries to

>> No.2733463

>FAGGATRON_3000
>84 replies
sigh

>> No.2733468

>>2733382
>>2733427
>>2733459

is that really a real pic? the shadow and light looks a bit strange, just liek someone shopped a decoltee into this

>> No.2733475

>>2733382
id probably hit that.

>> No.2733479

>>2733463
We all know faggtrons a troll most of us don't care

>> No.2733480

>>2733468
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1205844/Billboards-Angela-Merkels-cleavage-spring-
Germany-slogan-We-offer.html

Of course

>> No.2733481

>>2733455
Have some in-depth analysis of this topic, so you know what you're talking about:
http://www.economist.com/node/18398734

>> No.2733484

/sci/ might find this interesting:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704893604576200492192158916.html

>> No.2733488

>>2733480

oh no, they didnt. oh no....

>> No.2733489

>>2733468
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,547512,00.html

>> No.2733490

>>2733462
Tsunamis and earthquakes go hand in hand. Regardless, the failure here is simply incompetent design.

>> No.2733503

Not to mention the emergency backup systems were supposed to be upgraded DECADES ago.

>> No.2733506

I feel bad for the guy... going out and telling everyone that you may have to just bury the plant and it could kill some people's not something many people are prepared to do.

At least they finally came out and told of the real danger. Hopefully, if it does get worse, they will be more truthful about the events, and we won't be going off of false information.

>> No.2733509

i don't know shit about phys or chem. think the guys in california are in for cancer or another lethal illness?

i mean if that's the case then all of asia is doomed right? lol can't be right?
what do you guys honestly think the worst that could happen to californians be?

>> No.2733512

>>2733452

Saying that nuclear reactors (or ANYTHING) should be safe regardless of the scale of catastrophe is a worthless argument. Nothing's perfect. What we're likely talking about here is uninhabitable terrain; how is that different from the environmental devastation caused by the oil spill in the gulf, or if you don't give a shit (for some asinine reason) about the ocean, the coal fire in Centralia? Why are nuclear power plants responsible for their long-lasting effects on the environment, but other energy plants and industry get a free pass?

Given, they should be aware of the unique potential disasters associated with a nuclear reactor (criticality incidents posing the greatest danger to human life), but assuming some Nirvana-fallacy bullshit along the lines of "nothing should EVER go wrong" is, in reality, the worthless stance to take. Things will go wrong, nuclear reactors are not unique among energy sources in being dangerous in the event of natural disasters, and passively-safe and inherently-safe design paradigms have become increasingly efficient and implemented in the last few decades, which is after this plant was built.

"They're well-prepared for everything expect unexpected things" is, in fact, the most you can ask of ANYTHING. It's only a problem if "what they expect" is not to your satisfaction. If the Japanese engineers were not sufficiently prescient to expect something that had never happened in the region before (several decades ago), to your satisfaction, then I suppose that's where we disagree.

>> No.2733516

>>2733512
Waiting 30 years to upgrade your antiquated backup systems is a bad Idea.

>> No.2733517

>>2733459
...I-.. I didn't know Merkel was a Ph.D.

...goddammit she is like 500% more attractive now. Show us them science titties, ma'am!

>> No.2733537

>>2733517


Merkel worked and studied at the Central Institute for Physical Chemistry of the Academy of Sciences in Berlin-Adlershof from 1978 to 1990. She learned to speak Russian fluently, and earned a statewide prize for her proficiency. After being awarded a doctorate (Dr. rer. nat.) for her thesis on quantum chemistry she worked as a researcher.

>> No.2733541

>>2733490
Yes, it is. It is quite unfortunate that these reactors were maintained in operation instead of replaced by newer models, or simply shut down. Still, it is to their credit that they survived such a catastrophe, despite their age, their less-advanced and more vulnerable safety systems, and management with a lacking concern for safety.

>> No.2733552

>>2733537
Quantum chemistry.

She has a doctorate in goddamn QUANTUM CHEMISTRY.

I am moving to goddamn Germany. This woman is my leader.

>> No.2733558 [DELETED] 

>>2733512
>
"They're well-prepared for everything expect unexpected things" is, in fact, the most you can ask of ANYTHING. It's only a problem if "what they expect" is not to your satisfaction. If the Japanese engineers were not sufficiently prescient to expect something that had never happened in the region before (several decades ago), to your satisfaction, then I suppose that's where we disagree.

9.0s are not at all uncommon in the scheme of natural disasters, to pretend otherwise (as many nuclear proponents have been doing, calling this HURR ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL EARTHQUAKES IN HISTORY DURR, which they conveniently forget to mention we've only been recording for 100 years, and even then in very, very few areas of the globe until recently) is disingenuous. Not to mention that Japan is on a fault line, for Christ's sake!

>> No.2733564

>>2733541
The reactors were fine, the problem was the 30-year old emergency systems that were placed below the water-line.

>> No.2733566

>>2733512
>"They're well-prepared for everything expect unexpected things" is, in fact, the most you can ask of ANYTHING. It's only a problem if "what they expect" is not to your satisfaction. If the Japanese engineers were not sufficiently prescient to expect something that had never happened in the region before (several decades ago), to your satisfaction, then I suppose that's where we disagree.

9.0s are not at all uncommon in the scheme of natural disasters, to pretend otherwise (as many nuclear proponents have been doing, calling this HURR ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL EARTHQUAKES IN HISTORY DURR, which they conveniently forget to mention we've only been recording for 100 years, and even then in very, very few areas of the globe until recently) is disingenuous. Not to mention that Japan is on a fault line, for Christ's sake!

>> No.2733567

>>2733516

We're talking about failure of design, not implementation. That this plant was very old was the biggest failure in design, which is something most of us will come to appreciate when we're infirm and incontinent. If an old plant that was insufficiently maintained managed to hold up in the face of an overwhelming disaster that is likely to leave over a ten-thousand people dead in a prosperous nation, that's a testament to nuclear safety, not a strike against it. The failures witnessed here will inform nuclear safety moving forward, the same way that the failure of the Titanic informed naval safety for the years to come, or the triangle shirtwaist factory affected workplace safety.

>> No.2733577

>>2733566
>which they conveniently forget to mention we've only been recording for 100 years, and even then in very, very few areas of the globe until recently

How exactly are we supposed to know how many 9.0 quakes happened BEFORE WE STARTED RECORDING THEM?

>> No.2733579

>>2733567
The problem was the 30 year old emergency systems that were washed away. The reactor wasn't hurt by the earthquake OR the tsunami, it blowed up because the backup systems were old as hell.

>> No.2733586

>>2733577
Doesn't matter. The reactor survived the tsunami and the earthquake.

The emergency generators were washed away.

>> No.2733594

>>2733552
http://www.4shared.com/document/dTHTXgKK/AM_Disspdf.html

Here is her Dissertation.

>> No.2733604

>>2733577
>How exactly are we supposed to know how many 9.0 quakes happened BEFORE WE STARTED RECORDING THEM?

I guess the earth must be 6,000 years old because that's how far back biblical records count, too?

>> No.2733608

>>2733566

And yet, it wasn't merely the earthquake that prompted this disaster. It was the tsunami it caused. Japan is a nation known for tsunamis and earthquake; it's not like they weren't prepared for severe earthquake or tsunami. But there's only so much you can do TO prepare for such a devastating event.

Ideally, there would never be any surprises. A nation was caught with its pants down because someone decided to use jet airliners as impromptu missiles. In hindsight, it's a pretty obvious thing to do. When the Kavorians enslave us in 2018, hindsight is going to dictate that, obviously, we shouldn't have made it so easy to enslave us via the internet.

They were prepared for tsunamis and earthquakes. They weren't prepared for the largest that had ever hit them in recorded history. The only reason the latter is a such a failure is because we're talking about a nuclear reactor, which, again, has unreasonable standards placed on how and when it can fuck up everyone's day that we don't expect from similarly catastrophic industrial failures. People are more concerned with peace of mind than actual risk vs. reward discussion.

>> No.2733612

according to a BBC update, steam has been rising from reactor 3, and water levels are feared to be "dangerously low"

And on a side note, I think the people saying nothing will happen need a big nice cup of shut the fuck up. The plant chief is fucking weeping over the fact that things are much worse than they've let on, and they at this point seem to be on course for disaster, and then the entire plant will be inoperable, forever.

Shit has gotten real. Now that they're coming clean, I bet we'll soon find out many details we didn't have before. And I don't think they will be good.

>> No.2733616

>>2733604
Not only does that not answer my question, it doesn't make sense even as a humorous rebuttal.

>> No.2733631

FUCK YOUR EARTHQUAKE.

FUCK YOUR TSUNAMI.

THE REACTOR SURVIVED -BOTH-.

IT EXPLODED BECAUSE THE EMERGENCY SYSTEMS WERE DESTROYED, NOT BECAUSE OF THE EARTHQUAKE OR THE TSUNAMI, YOU FUCUCKING RETARAMBO ISHMABIBBLES.

>> No.2733638
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Japanese engineers on Saturday brought electricity to the Fukushima nuclear plant for the first time since a huge earthquake and tsunami crippled it a week ago.

While workers at the plant must still lay cable inside the plant and conquer a number of delicate engineering challenges before cooling systems can be restarted, their success in connecting the plant to the nation’s power grid was a rare piece of good news after a week in which the nation has grappled with its worst catastrophe since World War II. - marketwatch

>> No.2733644

>>2733612
That update is 7 hours old

Latest report show a decline of pressure in reactor 3

>> No.2733646

>>2733608
>They were prepared for tsunamis and earthquakes. They weren't prepared for the largest that had ever hit them in recorded history.

Which is the problem that arises when you extrapolate from incredibly limited data and make safety decisions based on said extrapolations. That is incompetence, plain and simple.

>> No.2733649

What's radiation actually at in the plant? Did it ever spike again after it briefly hit 1 Sv/h about two days ago? Or has it just been cruising down since then?

>> No.2733651

>>2733644
NO ONE is worried about the reactors

The spent fuel rods are the problem. and they have little to no water cooling them.

>> No.2733654

>>2733612

What, exactly, are you expecting to happen? Nuclear apologists are in damage-control mode because idiots in the media are asking how much of California is going to be a radioactive wasteland, or how many megatons the explosion is going to be. If a single person dies, he's justified in weeping. That doesn't mean there was a massive cover-up, it means that the man has basic human empathy and knows how to feel guilt. Was it wishful thinking, outright deceit, or a simple misguided speculation that it would be a smaller disaster than it is turning out to be? I can't say for sure, but jumping on the "deceit" train when the man is openly weeping in public seems a bit cynical.

Nobody gains anything by panicking. That anyone has turned this into a political issue at all is appalling. That we're more concerned with this than with the ten-thousand plus people that are dead regardless of whether this thing goes up in flames is wearying. We're worried it will effect US (whoever us is).

Let's see how much dirt there is before we declare it a mountain.

>> No.2733657

>>2733649
Apparently, high enough to kill people according to the press conference OP mentions.

They did not give any numbers I guess.

>> No.2733660

>>2733631
>IT EXPLODED BECAUSE THE EMERGENCY SYSTEMS WERE DESTROYED
aaaaaas a direct result of the tsunami and earthquake, no?

>> No.2733663

>>2733646
THERE IS NO OTHER DATA TO EXTRAPOLATE FROM

It's like you're wining that we didn't anticipate the sun suddenly exploding or gravity suddenly turning off.

>> No.2733667

>>2733649
Did it ever reach 1 Sv? I thought 400mSv was the maximum. It can't be that bad because the engineers are currently installing powerlines inside Fukishima 1

>> No.2733668

>>2733649
Last I heard was 125mSv near the reactors. That's enough to make you sick and maybe kill you if you spend all day hanging around a broken nuclear reactor.
It's also down from the 400mSv peak recorded a few days earlier, but I believe it was taken further away from reactor 3

>> No.2733669

im completely uneducated in what is required to build a nuclear plant but why not build them off the coast in shallow waters?

>> No.2733671

>>2733657
Well it's been high enough to put the plant workers at risk before. Even just being exposed to that 1 Sv/h spike could put you at risk of dying.

I'm going to remain skeptical til we get new numbers.


>>2733667
It did briefly (matter of minutes) when they pulled the engineers out two days ago.

>> No.2733677

>>2733669
I think Russia has thought of making power barges.

>> No.2733679

>>2733654
Because they have no effective way of cooling the spent fuel.

The Helicopters failed. The Firetrucks did better, but by a minuscule amount. In total the radiation per hour when the firetrucks and helicopters tried to douse the rods dropped by only .03 mSv (3.78-3.75). Nothing is working to cool the fuel rods, and they have really no options left.

Nothing is going well in their attempts to cool the spent fuel. If they can't find a way to cool them soon, they may undergo fission again, and then they're fucked.

>> No.2733680

>REACTOR GETS HIT BY AN EARTHQUAKE AND A TSUNAMI, -NO- -DAMAGE-.
>EMERGENCY SYSTEMS FAILED THE REACTOR, REACTOR GOES CRITICAL
>BLAME THE REACTOR

And you call me an apologist.

>> No.2733684

>>2733608
>>2733567

Critiques of nuclear safety take on new resonance post-Stuxnet.

>> No.2733688

>>2733680
I blame TEPCO. The guys have been crooks for a long, long time. They've been caught being crooks before, falsifying reports and ignoring safety precautions.

They never should've been in charge of the situation to begin with.

>> No.2733689

>>2733669
Expense, safety concerns, politics. Stuff like that.

The Russians already have floating nuclear reactors, though. I believe that was discussed a day or two ago.

>> No.2733709

>>2733669

>off the coast
>Japan

That's why. No matter what, there's a sliding scale of cost efficiency. Not just for PROFIT!, but because there is always going to be a logarithmic function for money spent vs. actual safety provided. We could only build nuclear plants on the moon, but what would be the point?

There's also the fact that having a nearby water source makes it easier to cool the plant in emergency situations.

>> No.2733712

>>2733382

That's not very dignified for a head of state. Margaret Thatcher sure never dressed like that.

>> No.2733716

>>2733688
That REALLY is not a problem with the design of the reactor, is it?

>> No.2733738

>>2733663
>THERE IS NO OTHER DATA TO EXTRAPOLATE FROM

SO YOU ASSUME THAT THE WORST QUAKES YOU HAVE ON RECORD PROBABLY AREN'T THAT UNCOMMON. WHEN YOUR DATA SET IS VERY LIMITED.

>It's like you're wining that we didn't anticipate the sun suddenly exploding or gravity suddenly turning off.

>Equating a more powerful than anticipated occurrence of a phenomenon with a previously observed phenomenon.
So I can safely assume you don't understand the nature of the problem at all?

>> No.2733739

>>2733716
Well, you could argue that not being fully prepared for the depth of murphy's law (the actual law, not the bullshit you hear quoted) is bad design.

And it is an old design. One that, in hindsight, does have some serious shortcomings. At the time it was great, possibly the best at the time, but now we see some things that we could definitely have done better.

I have faith that TEPCO could've fucked just about anything up if they'd tried hard enough, though. It's just a matter of how resistant to murphy's law the plant is.

>> No.2733758

>>2733738
>SO YOU ASSUME THAT THE WORST QUAKES YOU HAVE ON RECORD PROBABLY AREN'T THAT UNCOMMON. WHEN YOUR DATA SET IS VERY LIMITED.

...no. That's exactly what I'm not assuming, because there's no reason to.

>So I can safely assume you don't understand the nature of the problem at all?

Back at ya, brother.

>> No.2733763

>>2733739
The design SURVIVED the EARTHQUAKE and the TSUNAMI.

The failure was with the emergency systems, which were not a part of the design of the reactor.

>> No.2733777

>>2733763
It survived a massive earthquake and tsunami, but didn't survive the incompetence of TEPCO.

It's just murphy's law. If there's a right way and a wrong way to run a nuclear reactor, TEPCO will do it the wrong way.

>> No.2733804

>>2733777
Still not the fault of the design of the reactor, you see.

The emergency systems could have been generators, or batteries, or any other system, but they are not part of the reactor. The failure was with Pusco and with the emergency systems they chose, not with the reactor. As I said, the reactor survived the earthquake and the tsunami.

>> No.2733835

>>2733777
>>2733763
>>2733739
>>2733716
>>2733680
>>2733804
WHY DOES THIS EVEN MATTER

SHIT IS GOING DOWN AND TEPCO IS BEING RETARDED. WHY CAN'T WE JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT?
YOU ARGUE ABOUT MORE THINGS THAN /v/.

>> No.2733846

>>2733835
I argue in defense of the design of the reactor. It pisses me off when people get it WRONG.

>> No.2733847

>>2733835
It's 4chan. All we do is argue and fap.

>> No.2733878

>>2733758
>...no. That's exactly what I'm not assuming, because there's no reason to.

Do you realize that even extrapolating from the data we have predicts we'll have approximately one 9.0 quake per decade? That's not rare at all, and to assume so is simple fucking negligence when designing systems like nuclear plants on fault lines.

>> No.2733886

>>2733835

You CANNOT blame the reactors even though they are old. The blame falls on the emergency systems, and the people that managed the plant.

I'm in RAGEMODO because people keep blaming "teh old design," or "it needs to survive a 9.0", and they ignore that the fucking reactor -DID- SURVIVE A 8.9 EARTHQUAKE AND A FUCKING 5 STORY TALL TSUNAMI.

>> No.2733895

Hilarious how butthurt all the pro nuclear radicals are getting over this. Nuclear is finished if you can't see that maybe step a couple million miles back you're too close.

>> No.2733913

>>2733263
1. asteroids
2. sinkholes
3. airplanes

You can only protect yourself from one of those and now don't give me the "highly unlikely" shit because that's what we already got in Japan right now.

>> No.2733916

>>2733895
>Nuclear is finished

lol

>> No.2733959

Central Cali here, am I fucked?

>> No.2733963

>>2733959
Yes.
But it has nothing to do with Fukushima.

>> No.2733973

Americans have arrived at the scene and will give truthful radiation readings soon. Lets judge then.

>> No.2733967

>>2733963
By what, then, am I being fucked with? An earthquake? I couldn't give a fuck less about an earthquake.

>> No.2733980

Japan nukes itself.

>> No.2733982

>>2733967
well in 2036 there's going to be an asteroid that could really fuck you up for one.