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TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Wed Mar 16 23:42:47 2011 No.2721717 [Reply] [Original]

My racist theory:
Black people are generally less intelligent than white people.
Reason:
During the last few thousand years of human evolution, most white societies have been more developed than black ones. I don't claim to be able to explain the initial cause of more scientific development in white cultures. However, once it had happened, white cultures had far more technology. White societies have had much more technology (wheel, better farming techniques, more complex tools, et cetera) for all of this time. Black societies were mostly hunter-gatherer during much of this time.

As a result, white people who were intelligent were more likely to mate successfully than less intelligent whites. A man in most white societies who was good at using a fairly complex tool, such as a cart, was more likely be able to provide for a female. A man in white societies who could use a plow effectively could grow moar oatz and feed moar children. Since there were more complex social/political entities in white societies, a man who was able to manipulate others more effectively was more likely to gain power and eventually pussy. All of these abilities I'm describing are forms of intelligence.

In black societies, during the last few thousand years, most of the time they just chased animals and killed them. Strong, fast, resilient people would be likely to survive. Since chasing and killing animals doesn't require huge amounts of intelligence, smart people would rarely have had a genetic advantage, and when they did, it was probably less significant than the advantage gained by being able to run farther or survive longer without food. So, physically superior blacks dominated the gene pool, and still do.

This isn't intended to say "nigs are all stupid", just that I think it's plausible that on average, black people are less intelligent than whites, for the reasons I gave. It also seems fairly obvious to me, but I've never read it anywhere else.

Thoughts?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 23:42:47 2011 No.2721720 tl;dr ! >okcupid >hahhaa faggot.jpg

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 23:43:07 2011 No.2721729 >>2721717 >>most of the time they just chased animals and killed them >implying whites didn't do this too for 90% of their existence before civilization

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 23:44:47 2011 No.2721740 >>2721717 >implying there is a gene for intelligence lrn2stephengould

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 23:49:47 2011 No.2721760 Stupid tripfag. You're retarded, both for using a tripcode and your retarded perspective.

TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Wed Mar 16 23:50:47 2011 No.2721768

>>2721740
I didn't say there was "a gene" for intelligence, but I'm pretty sure that it is a trait that is at least somewhat genetic.

Also, the fact that Gould believes that intelligence is not genetically determined (which I assume you are saying) does not mean it's necessarily true. I'm sure many other scientists would disagree with him.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 23:51:47 2011 No.2721773 >>2721717 >look at me!! i'l use a tripcode >look at me!!! i'm so edgy with my racist views attention whore detected

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 23:52:47 2011 No.2721776 ITT people who actually believe that the only differences between races are superficial.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 23:55:47 2011 No.2721796 Why do you feel the need to go to genetics, look at their culture.

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Anonymous Wed Mar 16 23:57:47 2011 No.2721811

>>2721717
Read the bell curve man
read the blank slate (steven pinker)
read guns, germs, and steel (jared diamond)
read the 10,000 year explosion (fairly recent, look it up, author's cochrane i think)
burn in academic/political correctness hell for "racism" but know the truth

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TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Wed Mar 16 23:58:47 2011 No.2721819

I don't even dislike black people, I listen to gangster rap. Also, you can say "herp look how stupid niggers r lol they don't even talk right" but that's all plausibly caused by their culture/upbringing. I'm theorizing that they are SLIGHTLY less intelligent than most whites because of shit from their history, not "herp all niggers are retards because most niggers in america act like retards" or whatever.

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>>	TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Wed Mar 16 23:59:47 2011 No.2721826 >>2721819 should have replied to >>2721796

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 23:59:47 2011 No.2721831 >>2721811 >Pinker Informed post.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:01:47 2011 No.2721842 Tripfag OP >>2721826 >>2721819 >>2721768 >>2721717 Look at >>2721740 >>2721760 >>2721773

>>	TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 00:01:47 2011 No.2721843 >>2721811 Thanks, Pinker appears to be right down my alley already.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:02:47 2011 No.2721848 File: 527 KB, 250x188, 1279530695_fffffffuuuuuuu.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2721811 >look up these books >realize they're written by psychologists mfw psychologists are talking about genetics

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:03:47 2011 No.2721853 >>2721848 >implying pinker isn't a god in all fields.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:07:47 2011 No.2721869 File: 164 KB, 1440x1080, 1298597220557.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2721848 You really should know who those people are.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:09:47 2011 No.2721878 >>2721848 Psychologists can't talk about genetics?

TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 00:09:47 2011 No.2721880

>>2721811
Guns, Germs, and Steel says (from the wiki article, so a very perfunctory read) that eurasian societies rape because of guns germs and steel. I'd agree with that, but it makes sense to me that also, because of technologies and developments, they evolved superior intelligence and raped even harder.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:11:47 2011 No.2721897 >>2721878 soft scientists cannot talk about genetics with any credibility

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:11:47 2011 No.2721903

>>2721880
That's exactly what the next book on the list talks about. It explains how exactly those technological advantages may have led to the selection of "smart" people. just like you were saying in your initial post, but better substantiated, and with the weight of science behind it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:12:47 2011 No.2721908 Africans are certainly better at physics, sir.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:13:47 2011 No.2721916 >>2721897 Ok, I'll ask again. Explain your reasoning. Psychology, in my books, is a science nowadays.

Faggot Thu Mar 17 00:13:47 2011 No.2721917
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Hey /sci/ did you know one of the theories as to how human intelligence developed so rapidly was a change in our diets; Primarily the addition of fish.

Science is cool

Pic related, it was my fucking captcha

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:13:47 2011 No.2721925 >>2721897 Funny, that's exactly how some academics responded to Pinkers book. His book doesn't deal primarily with genetics derp herp. He instead explains how political correctness, and politics in general, may be affecting scientific theories.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:14:47 2011 No.2721928 >>2721880 Ok retarded tripfag, I'll start by asking you what your definition of intelligence is.

>>	TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 00:15:47 2011 No.2721935 >>2721925 so he basically said "i don't know much about science, but yall political niggers don't either so get the fuck out of it"? >>2721903 kthx

>>	TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 00:16:47 2011 No.2721947 >>2721928 http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/intelligence In this context, definitions 1a and 1c

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:18:47 2011 No.2721965 >>2721928 Just curious, how would YOU define intelligence?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:18:47 2011 No.2721967 >>2721947 So it's about adaptability and the speed at which you process sensations?

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>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:19:47 2011 No.2721972 >>2721916 >>Psychology, in my books, is a science nowadays laughingwhores.jpg

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:19:47 2011 No.2721974 >>2721968 fuck you goddamn troll

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:21:47 2011 No.2721988 >>2721972 Explain your reasoning. This is /sci/ not /b/. Doesn't count if you can't justify your opinion

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:21:47 2011 No.2721989 >>2721968 whoa that's actually true, looked it up

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:22:47 2011 No.2721995 >>2721988 This is true. Burden of proof.

TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 00:23:47 2011 No.2722000

>>2721968
>>2721989
Yes. This is because the only africans who can come to america from africa straight up are the cream of the crop. I know lots of black immigrants from ghana, nigeria, et cetera who are super smart, really successful doctors.

>>2721967
mental adaptability. not the speed at which you process sensations...that wasn't in the definition I posted.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:23:47 2011 No.2722003 >>2721995 psychology has always been considered a soft science burden of proof is on anon to prove it has somehow recently evolved into a hard one

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:25:47 2011 No.2722012 African Americans were bred for generations and generations to be strong, not smart. the smart ones were usually "dealt" with /thread

>>	TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 00:26:47 2011 No.2722024 >>2722012 Yeah, that's true as well, but I expect that similar selection occurred earlier, before slavery.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:27:47 2011 No.2722030 >>2722012 But race is just a social construct. Besides, we're all equal.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:27:47 2011 No.2722034
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Pinker has written several books. You guys really do have your heads shoved up you're asses - you take a few physics classes and get uppity, thinking you're the most intelligent people in the room. Yes, neurology, cognitive studies, linguistics, AND psychology are interrelated in some respects.

Articles he published @ Harvard:

http://pinker.wjh.harvard.edu/articles/

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:28:47 2011 No.2722038 >>2722000 So by your original post, your view is that those stuck in environments without many resources are less adaptable than those who migrated to Mediterranean/Tropical regions? As an upfront, are we discounting anything?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:28:47 2011 No.2722042 >>2722030 >Besides, we're all equal. Explain physical differences like height, bone structure, and how prone some are to certain genetic illnesses.

engineer !1BuTTsexks Thu Mar 17 00:29:09 2011 No.2722053 [DELETED]

My racist theory:
Neandrathals had larger brains than modern humans one notable area are the frontal lobes.
Neandrathals where peaceful people who would take care of the old and injured. One cave found an old male amputee that lived many years after his injury and was burred with herbs and flowers.
http://www.donsmaps.com/clancave3.html

Every human on earth is 2%-5% Neanderthal except the niggers which are 0%. We where probably more violent and ended up killing the Neanderthals but the only ones of us that survived outside of Africa where the ones that mingled with them at leas a little.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703686304575228380902037988.html

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:29:47 2011 No.2722048 >>2722024 In da jungle, da mighty jungle. Yeah fo sho, we however got the dumbest of the dumb, the ones the other Blacks captured and sold to whitey as cattle

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:30:47 2011 No.2722054 >>2722003 Since when? afaik psychology uses falsifiable research methods. How does that differ from other fields of science?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:30:47 2011 No.2722057 >>2722042 How is that relevant to the real world though. All those things are just physical. We're all equal mentally bro.

TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 00:32:47 2011 No.2722068

>>2722038
>So by your original post, your view is that those stuck in environments without many resources are less adaptable than those who migrated to Mediterranean/Tropical regions?
No, I don't claim to be able to explain why eurasian societies got pro skill technology. (though guns germs and steel does). I'm just saying that once they do have said technology intelligence will be a beneficial trait that will be passed on more often.

>As an upfront, are we discounting anything?
I don't think so...

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:33:47 2011 No.2722069 >>2722042 Physical differences = results of adaptation Disposition to genetic illness = I wasn't aware that there was a racial difference in regard to genetic disease

engineer !1BuTTsexks Thu Mar 17 00:33:47 2011 No.2722073
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My racist theory:
Neandrathals had larger brains than modern humans one notable area are the frontal lobes.
Neandrathals where peaceful people who would take care of the old and injured. One cave found an old male amputee that lived many years after his injury and was burred with herbs and flowers.
http://www.donsmaps.com/clancave3.html

Every human on earth is 2%-5% Neanderthal except the niggers which are 0%. We where probably more violent and ended up killing the Neanderthals but the only ones of us that survived outside of Africa where the ones that mingled with them at leas a little.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703686304575228380902037988.html

Africans are violent, have impulse control issues, and are worse at higher mental functions. This is because there frontal lobes are missing tens of thousands of years worth of Neanderthal evolution.

>>	TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 00:33:47 2011 No.2722074 >>2722057 >>2722030 obvious troll

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:34:47 2011 No.2722076

>>2722054

You're dealing with people who have a cursory understanding. I imagine intro courses are not representative of the field as a whole, and from what I've gathered, relatively few schools have the resources and departments to offer courses that go beyond the "social science" aspects of psychology.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:34:47 2011 No.2722083 >>2722069 Sickle cell bro, blacks are way more likely to have it Also Scandinavians have a 10% chance of being immune to HIV, something like that anyway, but it's higher than any other people group

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:35:47 2011 No.2722087 >>2722073 >>there frontal lobes are missing >there You just confirmed all my opinions about engineers, racists, and tripfags.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:35:47 2011 No.2722090 OH MY GOSH! I've been waiting for this stupid thread to die. Why are you people so obsessed with racism and genetic differences?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:35:47 2011 No.2722092 Cerebral malaria fucks with a lot of kids in Africa and leaves them dumber than they'd otherwise be. That said, OP is a stupid stormfag.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:36:47 2011 No.2722094 File: 765 KB, 1926x2716, I see what you did there .jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2721717 MFW lowest classes out breed higher classes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:39:47 2011 No.2722120 >>2722090 because it makes nerds who brows /sci/ feel better about their tiny cawks

>>	TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 00:39:47 2011 No.2722124 >>2722092 >Implying that I have ever posted on /new/ or visited it more than 2x >implying that I don't wish I had black friends >>2722090 hide thread button's over somewhere, bro

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:40:47 2011 No.2722126 >>2722120 lol

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:41:47 2011 No.2722139

Wow, tons of retarded eugenics up in here.
If you want to know why Euro teched up like crazy through the 17th century, a good place to start is Bruno Latour's "Science In Action", especially chapter 6, 'Centers of Calculation'.

Basically, when Euros left Euro, they started collecting shit. Eventually, they collected so much shit that you couldn't hold it all in one lab. So, you had to create archives. You abstract the shit. That cycle of exploration -> collection -> abstraction basically created the information infrastructure and density necessary for the empirical revolution to kick off. Nothing to do with genes, bubba.

>>	TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 00:42:47 2011 No.2722148 >>2722094 >MFW lowest classes out breed higher classes. I can see that this is relevant, but please explain exactly what your point is so I don't just strawman you

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:43:47 2011 No.2722153 >>2722124 What about the salient point in my post?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:43:47 2011 No.2722155 >>2722139 exactly, same thing happened with the niggers in egypt until their civilization fell

>>	engineer !1BuTTsexks Thu Mar 17 00:43:47 2011 No.2722158 >>2722087 Grammar fag who cant argue my science so he grammarfags at me instead.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:45:47 2011 No.2722173 >>2722148 >people who were intelligent were more likely to mate successfully than less intelligent

TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 00:45:47 2011 No.2722176

>>2722139
You missed my point. My point was
technology means intelligence evolves, not whatever you are talking about. I'm not trying to explain why eurasian societies had better tech, I'm trying to say that because of their better tech they ended up evolving to be smarter.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:45:47 2011 No.2722177

>>2722158
ok, i'll argue science. How can an entire race's frontal lobe be "missing" without it being glaringly obvs. by this point? I mean, if blacks have no frontal lobe, an ER doctor should have piped up at this pt after he sees a head X-ray w/o a frontal lobe.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:48:47 2011 No.2722191 What about all the barbarians the romans conquered?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:48:47 2011 No.2722193 File: 19 KB, 579x269, balls.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] stupid bs

>>	engineer !1BuTTsexks Thu Mar 17 00:48:47 2011 No.2722196 >>2722177 >because there frontal lobes are missing tens of thousands of years worth of Neanderthal evolution Reading comprehension. Frontal lobes not physically missing, they are missing the benefits from interbreeding with Neanderthals.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:49:47 2011 No.2722205 >>2722193 Can someone tell me what's wrong with this post? I already took out some things but still wouldn't let me post.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:50:47 2011 No.2722210

>>2721717

I have to agree with you. Its not racism, its just the fucking truth, maybe not a lack of intelligence, but certainly there is something different about Africans than white and brown and yellow people. Africa has vast mineral resources, but never utilized them efficiently. Sure, they were conquered early on, but there were kingdoms where the rulers were fabulously wealthy with gold and from slave trading, but they never did anything. They just sat there and got the shit conquered out of them. Its not like the land was just crap, Carthage (not black Africans by the way) did fine until Rome did away with them, but that's it. How come Rome, a little dirt "city" made up of seven mud villages surrounding a fucking swamp rise up to conquer the world?
By the time the Europeans came a knockin during the age of imperialism they met men with spear and they had rifles, and yes, that was really unfair. But WHY did the Africans only have spears? Its not like they didn't have gold and diamonds they could trade. I don't think that blacks should be slaves or unequal in ANY way, but still, its worth discussing.

TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 00:51:47 2011 No.2722216

>>2722153
That could contribute as well, but it doesn't make my theory wrong.
>>2722173
Smart people don't mate very much now in America and most of Europe, for a variety of reasons: partly, they want to avoid overpopulation, partly it's considered socially inferior to have lots of kids, and also poor people/lower classes often don't have access to/use birth control. Another consideration is the whole "smart nerd/dumb jock" stereotype where the nerd usually doesn't get laid. This is true to some extent NOW.

None of this was true thousands of years ago. If there's a family of serfs farming a shit small field and barely making enough food to live, the ones who can make moar food will live and those who don't will starve or have fewer children because they can't feed enough. Now, in most developed countries, welfare and very successful economies allow poor/lower class people to feed tons of children. In the US, poor people get fairly large tax benefits for each child they have.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:52:47 2011 No.2722223 >>2722196 it all makes PERFECT sense now; thx 4 explaining. neanderthals are master race how could i be so mistaken

>>	engineer !1BuTTsexks Thu Mar 17 00:53:47 2011 No.2722233 >>2722223 And when you mix two breeds of corn to get a hybrid one of them must have been the master race.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:54:47 2011 No.2722239 >>2722216 Tripfag, this is a discussion on genetics and intelligence. Once we start talking about class differences this will turn into a shit storm

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:54:47 2011 No.2722240 If blacks are so intelligent, why is Africa a shithole? And don't give me "dem whiteys did it" because if blacks were equally intelligent, why didn't they fight off whitey... Come on guys.

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TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 00:57:47 2011 No.2722259

>>2722193
>so how does technology make us more adaptable than other races

I'll try to explain my view again:
Let's say we have two serfs in some part of europe, one is stupid, one is smart. The stupid one is more physically fit.
They own/rent farms near each other. The smart one thinks "Hmm, I can plant this shit more efficiently to make more food". The dumb one doesn't, just does it the way his parents did. Smart one has a ton of kids, dumb one starves because his physical superiority in strength doesn't compensate for his inefficient growing methods.

Let's say we have two tribesmen in Africa. One is smart/weak, the other is stupid/strong.
Smart/weak one can't catch gazelles for shit, dies
Stupid/strong one can, eats many gazelles, has kids.

Yes, I know not everyone is smart/weak or stupid/strong.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:58:47 2011 No.2722262 >>2722251 This says nothing. a) the given definition of intelligence in this thread is adaptability b) IQ is biased as fuck, especially to those from different races. c) the rest doesn't say much

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:59:47 2011 No.2722265 >>2722262 What it does say, invalidates your point. I'll leave you with that one

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:59:47 2011 No.2722266 >>2722251 Arr hair! AZN is mastel lace!

>>	TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 01:00:47 2011 No.2722271 >>2722239 I didn't bring class into this, it was >>2722094 I was just responding to him Also, I don't think I said anything particularly stupid/offensive/inflammatory about class.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:01:47 2011 No.2722276

How about "african americans are generally less intelligent (and more athletic) than other groups because we bred them for long labor and obedience."

How's that? Work for everyone? I mean hell, everyone can agree that The Negro is athletically superior to The White Man. Why can't The White Man be intellectually superior to The Negro?

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:01:47 2011 No.2722284

>>2722262
Cranial capacity and cortical neurons should be more than enough to put any argument to bed.

As painful as it may be to admit, sub Saharan africans certainly are disadvantaged genetically when it comes to matters of the brain. Most likely related to the lack of Neanderthal DNA that was touched upon earlier in this thread.

The fact that they have higher levels of testosterone and melanin (which has been to foster higher amounts of aggression in animals in of itself) doesn't help things either.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:02:47 2011 No.2722285

>>2722259
Duuuuudee. Africa = arid as fuck, no resources. We came from that region and didn't make much progress until we went walkabout.

We can talk about the serfs but that involves societies and the monetary system. We're just talking about genetics and adaptability. afaik it's better to have more kids as more kids = more work = better/larger harvests.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:02:47 2011 No.2722286

>>2722240
because instead of sharing/taking and collaborating (to an extent) as they did with asians, whites simply exploited exploited exploited the african and native american peoples. they got an advantage over the africans from this exchange of knowledge, and whatever tiny advantage they got they built upon and magnified until eventually the european nations just decided to band together and carve up africa among themselves. Africans are disadvantaged now because of centuries of white racism and oppression.
Its not like Asia would be any better than Africa now if whites hadn't treated it with a modicum of decency. The USA defeated Japan in WWII and it was the best thing that happened to the land of the rising sun - you couldn't say nearly the same thing for any African nation that was colonized or defeated in a war by a European power, even the african nations that fought with and were defended by the Allies in WW2.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:03:47 2011 No.2722296 >implying tracking and killing an animal several times larger than yourself requires little intelligence

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:03:47 2011 No.2722298 >>2722262 >b) IQ is biased as fuck, especially to those from different races. Explain the higher scores achieved by Asians then, if IQ tests are so "culturally biased" to favor whites?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:04:47 2011 No.2722304 >>2722296 it selects more for strength and athletic prowess, given the tools available

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:04:47 2011 No.2722305 File: 89 KB, 625x450, lion-eating-elephant-09.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2722296 dur hur lions be smart hur

>>	TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 01:05:47 2011 No.2722312 >>2722251 No. Black people in most of the world today have a shit education and upbringing, which can be used as an explanation for bad IQ scores, and yes education and upbringing does affect IQ scores somewhat.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:05:47 2011 No.2722315 >>2722285 Sub Saharan Africa is a lush and mineral rich land, whenever non-negros have settled there, they have prospered

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:05:47 2011 No.2722316

>>2722284
I don't care about the cubic dims of their skull. The neuronal difference is negligible. This study is flawed. They use IQ as a measure of intelligence knowing that it's biased. Hormone levels, which hormones, how much higher? Mediation for cultural differences? Were these blacks from their culture or those in another?

I need A LOT more info

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:05:47 2011 No.2722318 >>2722296 implying the average /sci/duck is anywhere near being as capable of taking down a wildebeest as the average african spear chucker is

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:06:47 2011 No.2722324 >>2722298 I wouldn't say its biased to favor whites, but the wealthy. Carlton Banks would've nailed the "oarsman-regatta" question.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:07:47 2011 No.2722329

>>2722240
>>If blacks are so intelligent, why is Africa a shithole?

poor arable land
animal predators abound
disease

also, africa isn't entirely a shithole. i was in kenya for a week once for my old job. they have paved roads, schools, food, computers, cell phones, and clothes, and they all look like wesley snipes lol. on natgeo and christfag advertisments, you only see the countryside, which a kenyan businessman told me was an an overrepresented part of african society.

secondly, most india is a shithole. you don't therefore conclude that "hurr durr indians are stupid."

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:07:47 2011 No.2722330

Race is a social construct. There is no biological basis for it, therefore you have just spent 2 minutes of your life starting a thread that has absolutely no validity.

I say it took you 2 minutes because your theory is idiotic to say the least and it was no doubt written in 'idiot time' which = to about 2 minutes.

Read a modern genetics/human variation book, you dolt.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:07:47 2011 No.2722336 >>2722312 Someone post the chart, with each race and family income

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:08:47 2011 No.2722342 File: 8 KB, 251x251, f3f1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] yea I agree with OP, although I think the enviromental factor plays a bigger role then the racial factor does.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:08:47 2011 No.2722345

>>2722298
Because IQ isn't so much about an intrinsic ability to do a task. It's just about knowing how to do them. If I went to the Amazon, and tested an Amazonian tribesmen, they'd fail. They'd probably shoot me with darts. Does this make them stupid?

All the IQ test looks at are the traits that Western cultural ties to success.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:09:47 2011 No.2722347

>>2722304
It doesn't matter how strong you are if you can't sneak up on a gazelle. There are different types of intelligences. If you were stranded on a deserted island your knowledge of how to operate a computer wouldn't matter worth shit and, you'd probably die before the end of the month. A hunter gatherer with years of experience living in the wilderness would probably fair better.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:09:47 2011 No.2722350

>>2722316
>The neuronal difference is negligible.
No it isn't, actually. Perhaps between Asians and whites, but certainly not between black and whites.

But in all seriousness if you need to read several books to conclude that as a whole blacks are a significantly less intelligent than whites or asians, then you're either ignorant of history and/or haven't interacted with many blacks.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:09:47 2011 No.2722351 >>2722329 Kenya is nice because of Britain.

TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 01:09:47 2011 No.2722352

>>2722285
>We can talk about the serfs but that involves societies and the monetary system.
I am talking about societies and the monetary system (among other things), and how they affect evolution of intelligence within a society/race.
>>2722304
this is correct. yes intelligence helps catching animals, but strength/speed is more important.

>>	engineer !1BuTTsexks Thu Mar 17 01:09:47 2011 No.2722354 >>2722285 Africa has some of the most fertile land in the world. Congo alone could feed all of Africa even in a bad year. Its a tropical paradise except for all the wild animals and niggers.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:09:47 2011 No.2722358 >>2722316 you do know that education doesn't have all that much of an effect on IQ test results right? The best ones just measure visual/spatial reasoning and mathematical computation skills

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:10:47 2011 No.2722360 this thread is an insult to the many highly intelligent black people we see and hear everyday. while we're on the subject, my racist theory is that black people are generally more musically talented than white people. /stormfront/ go

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>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:11:47 2011 No.2722367 >>2722360 This. My current chemistry professor is a black guy. This thread is funny to watch, tho.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:11:47 2011 No.2722373 >>2722345 >implying making the same poison darts your culture has been making for hundreds of generations exhibits intelligence

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:11:47 2011 No.2722374 File: 93 KB, 919x575, 3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2722361

>>	TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 01:12:47 2011 No.2722381 >>2722330 Hopefully obvious troll. If all you have to do to respond to something you disagree with on this board is say "herp read a book about this subject" without making an argument then this board sucks a fatty

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:13:47 2011 No.2722394 >>2722259 your argument is that intelligence only counts when technology is a factor you should be embarassed

>>	nifty !fiftyea1HE Thu Mar 17 01:14:47 2011 No.2722403 >>2722251 chinese confirmed for master race then?

>>	TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 01:14:47 2011 No.2722405 >>2722360 I'm not saying that black people can't be smart, only that on average they are slightly less so than whites. I know very smart blacks personally. Actually, of people I know, the whites are stupider than blacks on average.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:15:47 2011 No.2722409
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>>2722367
>dur hur because a bear did not maul me to death once in the forest means that all bears will never maul me ever
Black chemistry professors are certainly the exception to the rule.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:15:47 2011 No.2722411

>>2722352
You can't discuss something like evolution in a time frame of a mere few hundred years.

>>2722358
Fuck off it doesn't have much to do with it. The spatial ones test for g which is meant to eliminate some cultural differences. There's still gonna be fuckloads. Again, I'll cite the Amazonian tribesmen example.

Also, spatial reasoning, so fucking what. I can have a stroke and suck at it and yet still be as capable doing other tasks. I may also have some other defect which decreases my ability to do the above and increases my practical intelligence. Whatever it may be, IQ is fucked

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>>	TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 01:16:47 2011 No.2722422 >>2722394 No. When there is technology, intelligence is MORE important to natural selection. It still matters in any case...

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>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:17:47 2011 No.2722426 >>2722405 A standard deviation below is not slight. Also this isn't for pure african blacks, but rather the African American who are almost all mixed race. 1/2 of blacks being less intelligent than 5/6ths of whites is not slight.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:17:47 2011 No.2722430 The thing about this 'theory' is that it still doesn't justify racism. Even if race x were on average slightly less intelligent than race y, it would only describe a population, and not who was actually more intelligent than who.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:17:47 2011 No.2722431 >>2722403 I for one welcome our new masters. 我就欢迎新的主人

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:17:47 2011 No.2722432 File: 44 KB, 663x610, 7.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2722424

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:18:47 2011 No.2722438 >>2722374 >angry small penis white aspie detected

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TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 01:18:47 2011 No.2722446

>>2722411
What I said about serfs in the middle ages is true in a similar way for members of eurasian societies at other points in time. I just know more about middle ages history so I used that as an example. but greeks/romans also had farming/complex economies, et cetera, and so did tons of others even farther back.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:19:47 2011 No.2722453 >>2722422 based upon what evidence or studies

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:19:47 2011 No.2722455

>>2722381
Retard boy, if you read carefully I mentioned the crux of my argument in a few short understandable words, that any moron can understand. I said--THERE IS NO BIOLOGICAL BASIS FOR RACE.

THEREFORE, you cannot base someone's intelligence on it.

There, I saved you the trouble of spasaming into an epileptic fit at the thought of you actually having to open up a book.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:19:47 2011 No.2722460 File: 35 KB, 911x623, satscores.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2722438 lol, black guy talking about "muh dik" already

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:20:47 2011 No.2722468 >>2722446 Your argument is flawed. I was going to continue but I cba. Just know that there isn't a difference. It took us billions of years to evolve. Evolution doesn't happen overnight

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:20:47 2011 No.2722469 >>2722455 this. u fags haven't taken biology or genetics, have you? /thread

TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 01:21:47 2011 No.2722475

>>2722453
No evidence or studies, just my theoretical explanation, as given several times in this thread. No, I haven't done a study where you give one group of people technology and see if they evolve to be smarter than a group without. I just explained why, in theory, that would happen. I have no way of testing this.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:21:47 2011 No.2722477 >>2722432 It's a well known fact that the grades of college athletes are doctored. A fair deal of blacks in colleges are there for athletics..

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:22:47 2011 No.2722485 Chinese will never be "masters" of anything the US feels like being master of. They have no HAARP and they will never have HAARP...because can just burn the shit out of theirs if they try it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:23:47 2011 No.2722493 >>2722469 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_%28biology%29

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:24:47 2011 No.2722499 >>2722493 oh, but you've taken wikipedia? nevermind, it beats any genetics book who cares what the egghead who wrote it has to say anyway?

>>	sage Thu Mar 17 01:25:47 2011 No.2722502 sage

TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 01:25:47 2011 No.2722506

>>2722455
I'll respond to your ad hominem by saying that I've read a shit load of books.
Apparently, you haven't, since you misspelled a simple word.

But, back to the actual topic:
>there is no biological basis for race
When I said this was probably a troll, I wasn't saying that it's a retarded notion, just that posting it without an argument for it seems likely to be a troll.
It seems fairly clear to me that if a certain group has kids and their kids have different biological characteristics from the kids produced by another group, then there is a biological basis for making a distinction between the two groups.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:28:47 2011 No.2722526 There has to be a middle ground between completely denying race exists whatsoever and raging stormfaggery.

>>	mathematician Thu Mar 17 01:28:47 2011 No.2722528 >>2722506 Alo tripfag, I've always wondered, how does it feel to be so retarded? I know you're probably going to say, "zomfg! adhominem..." &c, so let me make this blunt: I'm not here to debate you, only to disparage you. Good day, homosexual!

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:29:47 2011 No.2722535 >See a 200 post thread about race on /sci/ >no sage Arguing delusional people living in 19th century not science.

>>	TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 01:30:47 2011 No.2722546 >>2722528 I'm so retarded I'm a national merit scholar bitch but, anyone reading this thread, I'm still interested in talking about actual stuff, I just couldn't resist being immature

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:31:47 2011 No.2722552 >>2722526 Race doesn't exist. Only populations with traits that can easily be transferred from one to the other.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:31:47 2011 No.2722555 >>2722330 Ethnicity exists. Lo and behold the ethnicities which evolved in close proximity to each other have similar traits. 3 obvious clumps are found looking at traits. 1. White Europeans 2. East Asians 3. Sub Saharan Blacks

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:31:47 2011 No.2722556

whites procured advanced technology faster through historical contingency

europe/eurasia as one giant land mass spanning an entire continent east to west enduring roughly similar climates

not having to deal with temperature changes and drastic changes in climate when traveling enabled cultures and technological manifestations to disseminate across a vast region

additionally, eurasia has far more domesticable plants and animals, and didn't have to travel for thousands of years to reach another giant land mass that is fundamentally oriented north/south

the first travelers to reach north america encountered animals that had never seen humans, and were therefore incredibly tame, and easily killed

hunter/gatherer lifestyle was prolonged for the indians of the americas because of many reasons, time, and convenience

a great amount of historical contingency goes into the appropriation of cultures

and OP's assertion of advanced civilization marks higher intelligence is a incredible fallacy

specialization and dense populations are the route of civilization, not a sudden mutation of intelligence, and mutations of any sort are more likely in point A then they are in point B

once whites developed intense specialized societies, the only qualification for reproducing was live long enough to fight off diseases

african americans had to actively hunt and search for food in an environment devoid of domesticable animals and oppressively hot climates, so to a first approximation modern hunter/gatherer tribes of papua new guinea would be the most intelligent humans alive, because intelligence is undoubtedly and attribution of reproductive success, unlike whites/asians

I think it stands to reason that the assumption can be made of OP's being naivete and extremely illiterate

>>	TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 01:32:47 2011 No.2722563 >>2722552 OK, then replace "race" with "populations with traits that can easily be transferred from one to the other" in all of my posts.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:33:47 2011 No.2722572

>implying some of the first civilizations weren't "black" or at least dark skinned
>implying the wheel was invented by whites
>implying there weren't several black non-hunter/gather civilizations

What does OP mean by black? Dark skinned or African? What about Caribbean?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:33:47 2011 No.2722573 >>2722556 >and mutations of any sort are NOT more likely in point A then they are in point B obvious err

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:33:47 2011 No.2722575

>>2722506
You are a fool if you think just because I misspelled a word I am not well-read. And I am not a "kid", you assumptive twit.

Anyway, grandpa, the interwebz has all sorts of new knowledge since the dark ages about all sorts of subjects, including but not limited to genome variation information. Just so ya know.

>>	mathematician Thu Mar 17 01:35:47 2011 No.2722597 >>2722573 he's right, idiot. mutations are the result of molecular phenomena. it's their differential fitness that makes them more prevalent, though. shit, 2722573, i'm a mathfag and even i know this. what's your excuse?

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:37:47 2011 No.2722606

>>2722556
I have never seen a study of the relative domesticability of Eurasian and African animals. Sure a horse is a lot easier to ride than a zebra, but whites and asians worked on that for a long fucking time. You can't compare modern animals that have been domesticated to African animals that have had no selective breeding

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:37:47 2011 No.2722610

I agree with the OP. Only the strongest and smartest survive. This about all the places whites have moved also, being challenged and having to learn how to adapt, while some died along the way.

Of course we are now trying to promote reverse Darwinism with welfare and aid payments to people and countries of people unable to support themselves.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:37:47 2011 No.2722614 >>2722572 The population of the Caribbean is black because they are the descendants of African slaves.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:38:47 2011 No.2722621

IQ is completely hereditary, environmental effects are fucking minimal unless you're malnourished, high IQ parents give birth to high IQ kids, and vice versa.
IQ positively correlates with income, academic achievement, vocational achievement, income (meaning that low income people with high IQs earn more than low income people with low IQs and even more than medium income people with low IQs). IQ negatively correlates with committing crime, even with social factors taken to account.

Blacks on average test 2 standard deviations below whites.

ALL of this is absolute fact backed up by years of studies and mountains of statistical evidence. It has as much validity behind it as Climate Change.

If you argue against it YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN A FAGGOT CREATIONIST.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:38:47 2011 No.2722623 >>2722572 actually as far as I knew, practical application of the wheel (chariot) originated with the peoples north of the black sea. (indo-europeans) different innovations popped up everywhere, so what?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:38:47 2011 No.2722627 I believe African Americans have a lower average I.Q because A)Most of them are poor or were raised in poor families and B) Because of the Nigger culture that the Jews are pushing.

TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 01:39:47 2011 No.2722632

>>2722575
I didn't intend to say you're a kid...
Also, I don't really see the point of just saying "genome variation" without explaining how it relates to this discussion. You haven't proven or even argued against my point (with your comment about genome variation), you just implied that I'm wrong because I don't know about/haven't referred to genome variation.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:39:47 2011 No.2722638 >>2722614 So is OP talking of just African descended, then?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:41:47 2011 No.2722658 >>2722606 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns,_Germs,_and_Steel#The_theory_outlined

>>	TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 01:41:47 2011 No.2722659 >>2722638 I hadn't thought out what I meant in detail, a mistake on my part. I guess let's simplify it to africa versus europe.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:41:47 2011 No.2722660 >>2722572 Nubia was black, they were a perfectly legitimate civ, Egyptians were essentially like Arabs, they were one of the first important civilizations

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:41:47 2011 No.2722663 >>2722638 Yes, this is talking about people who owe their inherited traits to precolumbian Africa, Europe and East Asia.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:42:47 2011 No.2722672 av. IQ of homo erectus: 50 av. IQ of Australian Aborigines: 62

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:42:47 2011 No.2722673 >>2722623 Supposedly, the oldest wheel found was created by the Sumerians, a Mesopotamian civilizations. Though some argue the wheel was invent thousands of years before that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:43:47 2011 No.2722676 >>2722610 your imposition of Darwinism is an insult to Darwin

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:43:47 2011 No.2722677 ITT: Politically motivated anti racist science deniers get fucking told.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:44:47 2011 No.2722683 >>2722659 And I assume that you mean modern man, not our ancestors who migrated from Africa to Europe?

>>	TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 01:44:47 2011 No.2722684 >>2722683 Yeah, I'm talking about recorded history.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:44:47 2011 No.2722689

>>2722658
Studies. Not politically motivated tripe.

Diamond assumed the animals were more suitable for domestication because, historically, they were domesticated. I'm sure you can see the problem with that reasoning in light of this discussion we're having.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:45:47 2011 No.2722692 >>2722677 When I was a kid, judging people by the color of their skin was a bad thing.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:46:47 2011 No.2722701

you're not going to get an actual discussion on this OP. people posting on here grew up in an age of media telling them they're all equal while instilling white guilt.

these discussions, even if they're harmless and hardly actually "racist", will always be discouraged.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:47:47 2011 No.2722713 >>2722673 actually it was first found in southern poland, from the funnel beaker culture

>>	mathematician Thu Mar 17 01:47:47 2011 No.2722715 ...to be continued on stormfront.com This thread is getting a little annoying and gay. Off /sci/.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:47:47 2011 No.2722716

>>2722677
Even if the studies are true, it doesn't actually say who is smarter than who on an individual level. Whites are more prone to getting skin cancer, so should we assume that all whites will inevitably contract skin cancer? You are a racist piece of shit, please die for the betterment of all mankind.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:48:47 2011 No.2722717 I can't believe people take the Guns Germs and Steel book seriously. In a non-marxist society it would surely be laughed at, as it should.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:48:47 2011 No.2722718 >>2722672 It's really kind of funny that all the races with low low IQs ended up with dark skin. Don't bring up temperature, central and south american natives lived in climates just as hot, were never that dumb and were never that dark

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:48:47 2011 No.2722727

>>2722701
It's a shame people tend to have a negative connotation towards discrimination. To tell apart physical traits of a certain race from another is what Racism is, but it does not bring with it feelings of superiority or other nationalistic, pseudo-scientific claims.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:48:47 2011 No.2722729

>>2722689
having read the book, there were numerous accounts of ancients "attempting" to domesticate elephants, lions, et al

hannibal rode into persia on an elephant, that's the closest we got, for they don't submit to selective breeding

if you are refuting the fact that lions and horses are equally domesticable, then i suggest you undergo thoughtful and sensible deliberation on the matter

TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 01:49:47 2011 No.2722735

>>2722701
There were a few non-dickheads replying...
But, yeah. I don't get why the fuck everyone is so offended or whatever.
I told my mexican friends this theory, including the part (which I didn't mention here) that american indians are also less intelligent, and they weren't offended. That is partly because both of them are smarter than me, but still their asses were not pained at all (that I could see). and my white friends who I have told about this who are all smart (i.e 99th percentile on standardized tests) also were not butthurt.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:49:47 2011 No.2722740

Guns, Germs, and Steel is a fucking POPULAR SCIENCE BOOK, NOT A PEER REVIEWED ACADEMIC PAPER.

It's full of logical fallacies and garbage.

In fact, I can use his own arguments in favor of the biological differences in races.

See, when different populations evolve in areas with different selection criteria, they start to become genetically distinct. Sub-Saharan Africans, Indo-Europeans, and East Asians ALL developed mostly isolated from each other for THOUSANDS of years. We have developed hundreds (more probably) of different breeds of dogs within a much lower period of time. No one argues that these breeds don't have different temperaments and mental characteristics. But

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:49:47 2011 No.2722741 >>2722715 >obvious difference between white and black societies >OP wants to discuss these differences and potential reasons for why >HUR STORMFRONT XD if anyone should be leaving /sci/ it is you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:50:47 2011 No.2722747 >>2722729 >AREN'T equally domesticable another err, apologies

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:50:47 2011 No.2722749 >>2722718 Indigenous South Americans definitely had/have lower IQs than Whites and East Asians.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:51:47 2011 No.2722756 >>2722716 No, but we can say whites are more likely to develop skin cancer. We can also say blacks are more likely to lack intelligence. You're a fucking moron.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:51:47 2011 No.2722759

>>2722632
You are a quite dense, aren't you? You, not black people, are the weak link here; that is what you have proven to me with your inability to understand how what I have said applies to your idiotic theory/argument.

Lesson over. I'm going to retire to do something more fruitful like watch paint dry. Toodles, weak link.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:51:47 2011 No.2722760 >>2722740 As far as I;m concerned, it is a historical theory, not a scientific one.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:51:47 2011 No.2722762 >>2722740 of course they are genetically distinct, they should be, its called evolution but to think a better intelligence mutation happened to arise only in whites is absurd and misguided

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:52:47 2011 No.2722766 >>2722729 Don't be a dense cunt, what I'm saying is that there is no evidence (that I've seen) to believe that ancient Eurasian horses, bovine, wild hogs, wolves, etc. were any more domesticable than African analogues.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:52:47 2011 No.2722768 >>2722716 >BAWWWWWW YOU ARE RACIST U SHULD DIE I TOTALLY KNOW THIS ONE BLACK GUY WHO IS RLY SMART... Get the fuck off of /sci/.

>>	mathematician Thu Mar 17 01:52:47 2011 No.2722770 >>2722759 haha!

>>	TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 01:53:47 2011 No.2722773 >>2722759 >I am either too lazy or too stupid or too butthurt to argue against OP in detail, so I will say he's an idiot and pretend to leave the thread, whilst f5ing

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:53:47 2011 No.2722775 >>2722740 a Pomeranian and a German Shepherd are less genetically varied than a Korean and a Congolese, fwiw

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:54:47 2011 No.2722780

>>2722718
Higher levels of melanin in of itself has found to contribute to more aggressive and impulsive behaviors in animals.

Blacks by virtue of their large amounts of melanin alone are shown to be intellectually inferior. Even discounting the millennia of evolution that forced whites to develop high levels of intellect (ice age).

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:54:47 2011 No.2722782 >>2722210 im with you treats. good job saying all the stuff i would have said.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:54:47 2011 No.2722786 File: 53 KB, 393x398, 1300070946621.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Peer-reviewed paper Don't you mean, CIRCLEJERK BEAT MY SWEET MEAT PROFESSOR AWWWWW YEEEAAAH

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:54:47 2011 No.2722787 >>2722766 >dense cunt picks or GTFO Is evidence gathering data and assessing probability? If its not then what form of evidence would suffice?

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:55:47 2011 No.2722793

>>2722740

The OPERATIVE WORDS are TEMPERAMENTS.

You can stick up your ass about 'mental temperaments' because NO BREED in the world can profess to breeding the "smartest" dog, Einstein. NONE

Why? Because that cannot be measured by genes, you moron.

Your argument is dog shit. Pun fully intended.

TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 01:55:47 2011 No.2722789

>>2722762
>better intelligence mutation
That's not what I meant. I don't know the details of evolutionary biology, but I think that in general, you can breed a trait. It works with skin/hair colors of animals, and I think it would work for intelligence. So, a population being naturally selected to have a higher concentration of a certain trait (i.e intelligence) is possible. I'm not saying that 'herp whites got a super intelligence mutation randomly' or something.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:55:47 2011 No.2722791

>>2722729
The Indian civilizations managed to domesticate the Indian Elephant, and in the wild their demeanor is not significantly different from African Elephants.

Jared Diamond's assertion that there were no easily domesticated plants or animals in sub saharan africa IS BULLLLLSSSHHHHIIITTTT.

Because the thing is, ancient Africans DID farm and domesticate plant and animal life. But they never went beyond very small towns.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:55:47 2011 No.2722792 >>2722775 You share over 60% of your DNA with the common fruit fly. SPECIES DO NOT EXIST AND ARE A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:56:47 2011 No.2722794 File: 16 KB, 300x238, aa-white-pride-world-wide.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Fuck niggers!!

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:56:47 2011 No.2722796 >>2722759 >>2722759 >>2722759 >>2722759 >>2722759 >BAWWWWWWW I CAN'T WIN THIS ARGUMENT WITH PERSONAL ATTACKS AND SNARK IM GOING TO GO BACK TO REDDIT TO JERK OFF WITH THE REST OF MY FAGGOT LIBERAL FRIENDS

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:57:47 2011 No.2722800 >>2722762 to assume that every people group has the same distribution of alleles pertaining to intelligence is equally absurd

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:57:47 2011 No.2722804

>>2722762
I'm sure there was positive selection for what is now measured by higher IQ throughout history in almost every human group, however there is no disputing that today, East Asians and White Europeans are the groups which selected most dramatically in this direction, and thus, today, stand as the most suited for intellectual tasks

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:58:47 2011 No.2722807 >>2722789 breeding can only generate what's already there unless there is a mutation so how else would whites have exclusive access to the intelligence mutation?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:58:47 2011 No.2722811 File: 55 KB, 399x599, 399px-Captain_Morgan,_2007.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2722793 mfw Border Collie

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:58:47 2011 No.2722812

>>2722768
You get the fuck off /sci/ you ignorant piece of shit. Some of us like to learn about science so we can better understand the world, not justify our petty prejudices. Even if their was an intelligence difference between races, it would mean nothing on an individual level and your discrimination would be just as unfounded. You are worse than scum. Leave now, and suck every dick on your way to the door.

No, I am not mad. I am enraged that you are allowed to think without retribution. The very idea of you repulses me and if you died tomorrow, I genuinely believe that the world would be a better place.

Good day, sir.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:00:47 2011 No.2722818

>>2722793
>picks out a single argument in my post
>fails anyway

NOW you're just arguing semantics. "Hurrr temperments aren't intelligence durrrr".
You're wrong about not being able to measure breed intelligence as well. It's well established that dogs like German Shepherds are smarter than say, Bulldogs. This is evidenced by how quickly they can learn various commands/tricks and the complexity by which they can execute them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:00:47 2011 No.2722819 ITT: Few people are trying to argue with facts and science about the validity of racial differences, while others are either unreasonably hostile to the topic, or stormfront kiddies.

TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 02:00:47 2011 No.2722820

>>2722804
MOTHERFUCKING THANK YOU
stated better than I put it, probably.
Do you agree with the reason I gave for selection to take place that way? (technology/developed culture) It seems like the most obvious one, but I don't know much about evolution/culture/other shit so I'm curious about other theories.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:00:47 2011 No.2722821

>>2722800
obviously true, and for you to make such a leap based on my statement is childish

but to assume whites somehow unconsciously breed for intelligence while others breed for airheads is even more absurd

people breed if they live long enough to fight off parasites, intelligence rarely enters into the equation

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:01:47 2011 No.2722827 File: 13 KB, 350x270, aryanfest2004.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] niggers are scum of earth, they smell like shit and have low inteligent scores. white power! white pride worldwide. listen to don black, be enlightened you blind libtards!

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:01:47 2011 No.2722831

>>2722812
>>2722812
>>2722812
>>2722812
>BAWWWWW RACIST RACIST GTFO BAWWWW BAWWW

Actually it's YOU justifying YOUR prejudices. YOU haven't posted ANY fucking counterevidence to the differences in intelligence of races.

All you've done is personally insult us and whine like an entitled, prissy, liberal piece of shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:01:47 2011 No.2722833 >>2722811 I knew a collie that chased it's tail all the time and that's pretty much all the damn dog did all day. Yeah, those collies are geniuses.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:02:47 2011 No.2722836 >>2722818 >This is evidenced by how quickly they can learn various commands/tricks and the complexity by which they can execute them. yes because circus tricks is an awesome measure of dog intelligence

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:02:47 2011 No.2722837 >>2722812 Randroid spotted. Get the fuck out.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:03:47 2011 No.2722841

>>2722812
>>2722812
>>2722812
>>2722812

This is the mind of a creationist. Look upon this pathetic faggot and see what the majority of leftists actually believe.You can feel the hatred and self righteous anger emanate from his posts. You are a social and intellectual disease.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:03:47 2011 No.2722845 >>2722818 You are a very stupid man and have dumbed down our species just by your existence.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:04:47 2011 No.2722847
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Regardless if we can agree intellectual differences between the races exist (they most certainly do), it doesn't change the fact that modern Western society is having a net dysgenic effect on its population.

Pic related, it's where we are all gonna end up thanks to not having to struggle everyday of our lives for food.

That and the fact that it seems that high iq individuals refuse to breed/are faggots/have aspergers and are incapable of breeding, while the average podunk moron (black or white) has 10 kids.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:04:47 2011 No.2722850 >>2722836 >>2722836 Yes actually it is. Are you trying to imply that it isn't? Any animal psychologist would fucking laugh at you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:05:47 2011 No.2722857 black people aren't retarded, black popular culture is

TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 02:05:47 2011 No.2722860

>>2722807
I'm not saying whites have exclusive access to "the intelligence mutation". I don't even think there is an "intelligence mutation". I'm saying that intelligence is partly genetic, and that whites generally express it more strongly. I think you misunderstood what I was saying...

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:05:47 2011 No.2722863 >>2722845 >DURRRRR U R STOOOOOPIDDDD Leftism is a mental disorder.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:05:47 2011 No.2722865

>>2722787
Like I said, please show me a paper on the relative domesticability of early African and Eurasian fauna, I've never seen one, but everyone spouts off like Jared Diamond about how Eurasians were so lucky to have the modern horse and cow in their environment.

They didn't have the horse and cow, they fucking made them and it took a lot of work. Africans, it would appear to me, never did put in the work and that's why they don't have domesticated Zebras and Water Buffalo (or whatever they would have domesticated)

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:06:47 2011 No.2722867 Genetic Similarity of a Northern European subject (i.e. my older brother) to people groups around the globe.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:06:47 2011 No.2722869 >>2722850 what survival value can be garnered from canine circus tricks? you are in way over your head, might i suggest leaving /sci/ until you learn2/sci/

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:07:25 2011 No.2722877 [DELETED]

your theory is flawed

African Civilizations: Egypt, Mali, Songhai, Kongo, Ashanti, Great Zimbabwe, Swahili, etc. etc.
They did have a number of civilizations. the problem is a bunch of them collapsed. most due to outside influence. but, also...

Africa: Dangerous fucking animals, lots of fucking diseases, lots of potential for disaster (plagues, flooding, etc.)

Europe: tame (wolves and bears? LOL)
Asia: tame (pandas)

Europe and Asia just happen to be easier places to live. More farmland, less dangerous animals. It's just easier.

The current disparity in IQ scores can be explain by socio-economic factors. Take two lawyers, from upper class backgrounds, one black one white. Do you think there will be a meaningful difference in IQ scores?

> u mad?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:07:47 2011 No.2722872 >>2722850 I'll laugh at anybody who calls themselves an animal psychologist, so I suppose we're even. >>2722841 Are you implying it's the left that is predominantly creationist? Woah.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:07:47 2011 No.2722874 Isn't it funny how Treats has been a gentleman this whole thread with an actual desire to discuss theories on differences in race and all the liberals can do is make death threats and scream stormfront?

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:07:47 2011 No.2722875

People develop skill sets that best fit the environment in which they live, while adapting to this they also are affected by what benefits them best socially, financially, and mentally if possible. These factors have the power to negatively or positively affect the growth of any human society.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:07:47 2011 No.2722878 >>2722869 If you're denying the german shepherds are easily one of the most intelligent dog breeds, then you might as well be a creationist. They're not used by the police and bomb squads just because they look nice you know.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:07:47 2011 No.2722879

>>2722831
All you have 'proven' is that black Africans tend to score less than whites on certain tests. This evidence is purely descriptive and not predictive at all. Scientists don't even agree on what the fuck intelligence even is.

>>2722841

Am I high, or is a racist trying to claim to have the moral high ground?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:08:47 2011 No.2722882 Who is Ops girl?

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:08:47 2011 No.2722884
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just look at this aryan beauty. she is superior to nigger female with huge ugly lips and inferior nose. niggers have descent from gorilas, while whites have descent from human beings. niggers and the jews who support them are destroying our country and our white way of life. the jewish agenda supports the mixing of races, and we now have higher white women marrying nigger inferiors. Wake up you blind guilty white libtards! the jews are taking america away from you and giving it to the niggers and mexicans.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:08:47 2011 No.2722886 >>2722857 What made their culture that way?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:08:47 2011 No.2722891 >>2722865 Some animals are impossible to domesticate. Modern scientists are still trying to breed tame zebras, shit don't work. It's a genetic thing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:09:47 2011 No.2722894 >>2722857 Black popular culture is retarded because of black people.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:09:47 2011 No.2722895 >>2722886 magic /libtard reply

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:09:47 2011 No.2722901 >>2722879 You don't even know what a racist is. That's a word that has officially lost all meaning.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:09:47 2011 No.2722902 >>2722836 Google smartest dog in the world and see what comes up. But I'm sure you're right and the whole rest of the internet is wrong. There's not definite way to measure intelligence, so it's done indirectly. You can't give a dog an IQ test dumbass.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:09:58 2011 No.2722899 File: 427 KB, 698x341, Genes.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2722867 sorry, here's the pic among the genes tested, similarity ranges from 70% to 60%

TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 02:10:47 2011 No.2722908

>>2722869
Well, actually, a dog that can learn circus tricks is likely to survive and get to fuck lots of bitches to provide more circus dogs.

But, anyway, that's beside the point. Intelligence doesn't always help with survival. In fact, my OP stated that in some societies/situations, intelligence is not very useful to survival.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:10:55 2011 No.2722907 >>2722891 You sure, bro? you race denying libtards really are in the same boat as evolution denying creationists

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:11:47 2011 No.2722910 >>2722886 Mostly Hollywood stereotypes and predominantly white record company owners.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:11:47 2011 No.2722912 >>2722899 just saying, doesn't imply anything about intelligence just saying "race" isn't total bullshit

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:11:47 2011 No.2722916 >>2722901 No I'm pretty sure it still has a meaning

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:11:47 2011 No.2722919 File: 70 KB, 800x426, WalterRothschildWithZebras.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2722891 You sure, bro? you race denying libtards really are in the same boat as evolution denying creationists

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:12:47 2011 No.2722925 >>2722907 Yes, I'm sure. You know scientists are actually researching shit like this, right? Right?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:13:47 2011 No.2722931 >>2722891 I'm sure ancient horses were no peach either. Anyway, we could both speculate 'till our fingers turn black and fall off, but like I said, >>2722865 Otherwise you can't claim that Eurasian species were easier to domesticate

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:14:47 2011 No.2722935
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>>2722908
i commend you, treats. you are doing good job for advancing the white race and helping to kill the jewish propoganda in the liberal media. the white race is superior and is better than dirty niggers who are uninteligent and trash.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:14:47 2011 No.2722936

ITT: people don't realize the two kind of racism.

1. Scientific facts about the physical differences between human races. Valid and worth debating.
2. A pseudo-scientific sense of superiority based on no real evidence (most of stormfront.) About as worth debating as astrology.

>>	TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 02:14:47 2011 No.2722940 >>2722882 http://www.okcupid.com/profile/YvetteCoquette Someone used her to troll r9k1 a while ago. I usually use hot girls for OPs of pretty much any type of thread.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:14:47 2011 No.2722943 >>2722931 >Otherwise you can't claim that Eurasian species were easier to domesticate I'm not saying they were. All I'm saying is that not all species are possible to domesticate.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:14:47 2011 No.2722944

>>2722908
We're alive today solely based on intelligence, but it is true we didn't need intelligence to survive. We gained intelligence in a kind of arms race against other similar species to us, though that intelligence wasn't necessary to our survival.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:15:47 2011 No.2722946 >>2722936 Wait, scientific facts about the physical differences between human races which are valid and worth debating are racism? Science is racism?

>>	TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 02:15:47 2011 No.2722947 >>2722935 I also sort of wish to be a jew so I could have money and be responsible and motivated, and also be smarter. Not even joking.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:17:47 2011 No.2722955 >>2722947 forget my compliment, you are an uninteligent homosexual. no better than the niggers. jews are the worst animals on the planet, how could you wish to be like them.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:17:47 2011 No.2722957

>>2722936
1. technically isn't racism, because it's about investigating differences between populations based on empirical evidence. What people fail to realize is that these populations can interbreed, making the conclusive data hazy at best, irrelevant at worst. The study of black Africans in America is almost useless because of socio-economic and cultural factors, and centuries of interbreeding.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:17:47 2011 No.2722958

>>2721717
your theory is flawed

African Civilizations: Egypt, Mali, Songhai, Kongo, Ashanti, Great Zimbabwe, Swahili, etc. etc.
They did have a number of civilizations. the problem is a bunch of them collapsed. most due to outside influence. but, also...

Africa: Dangerous fucking animals, lots of fucking diseases, lots of potential for disaster (plagues, flooding, etc.)

Europe: tame (wolves and bears? LOL)
Asia: tame (pandas)

Europe and Asia just happen to be easier places to live. More farmland, less dangerous animals. It's just easier.

The current disparity in IQ scores can be explain by socio-economic factors. Take two lawyers, from upper class backgrounds, one black one white. Do you think there will be a meaningful difference in IQ scores?

> u mad?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:17:47 2011 No.2722960 >>2722946 Yes. Racism is to discriminate between different races, not treating all humans as one race alone. Similar to specieism. Only because of media does it have a bad connotation assigned to it.

TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 02:18:47 2011 No.2722965

>>2722936
Do you consider this thread to be the first or second? I expect that you define it as the second since intelligence isn't strictly "physical", but I think it should count as legitimate inquiry. I have no problem saying "this race is physically better in this area", and I don't see the problem with saying "this race is mentally better".

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:18:47 2011 No.2722967 >>2722947 euro jews may have high IQs but are also 10x more likely than anyone else to develop TSD in their young. (which is funny since some dumbass said earlier races aren't genetically predisposed to disease).

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:18:47 2011 No.2722970 ITT: posts attacking OP are refuted, posts supporting OP are either ignored or labeled stormfaggotry, racist, etc Thus, /sci/ cannot disprove OPs theory

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:19:47 2011 No.2722976

OP does have a point. It's though woman are attracted to rich men, because money normally signifies intelligence in a man. The richer, the smarter. Early Europeans were very rich, and this convention is continued today. This is also why their are far more rich white guys than black guys. That's slowly changing though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:20:47 2011 No.2722981 >>2722967 jews and niggers are infected with diseases because they are lower animals. many libtards will say different, but they have been indoctrinated by the zionist agenda in the media and in the current political administration.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:20:47 2011 No.2722985 From a genetics point of view, there is no gene for intelligence, and even if it was, it would be very improbably for the skin color gene and intelligence gene to be linked. Also: Egyptians were black. I'm just saying...

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:20:47 2011 No.2722989

>>2722908
Still with this? Now human intelligence and dog intelligence are measured using the same performance metrics?

what are you getting at exactly? That whites have selectively bred for intelligence over the last 10,000 years?

must be a christfag

>>	TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 02:20:47 2011 No.2722990 >>2722958 Yes, current IQ disparity can be explained by current socioeconomic stuff. That's obvious. I was giving another possible theory.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:21:47 2011 No.2722991 >>2722985 Except melanin itself has been proven to increase aggression and lower impulse control in animals.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:21:47 2011 No.2722997 >>2722965 The main difference between the two is scientific validity. Thus, yours is a more cohesive theory than just yelling out WHITE PRIDE WORLD WIDE, and thus the former of the two.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:21:47 2011 No.2722998 >>2722970 it's actually really pathetic. you can tell some of the really butthurt people are purposely posting blatant stormfront/white supremacist posts just to invalidate the points OP is trying to make. SCIENCE!

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:21:47 2011 No.2722999 >>2722958 So many things wrong with this you must be trolling..

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:21:47 2011 No.2723000 >>2722899 based on about 540000 gene sequences

>>	TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 02:23:47 2011 No.2723010 >>2722989 >what are you getting at exactly? That whites have selectively bred for intelligence over the last 10,000 years? YES THAT IS MY FUCKING POINT >must be a christfag no

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:24:47 2011 No.2723013

>>2722981
the reason they suffer TSD is the same reason amish suffer EVC or whatever it is. jews are true racists and won't mix, so they have a limited gene pool (so more likely to get TSD).

>advocate race mixing for everyone else
>breed only with your own
>baby skulls are collapsing in
>but hey at least we make intel chips

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:24:47 2011 No.2723023 >>2722989 >>selectively bred >selective Yes, we select our own mates based on their intelligence and appearance. dumbshit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:24:47 2011 No.2723025 >>2723010 That is incredibly silly. Why would only whites breed selectively for intelligence? I'm quite sure societies that only allowed intelligent people to breed with other intelligent people were pretty rare.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:24:47 2011 No.2723026

intelligence is a function of developmental flexibility

of course people have different congenital aptitudes and appetites for certain things, but intelligence is an abstract, and a child borne to a learned environment will have a high iq regardless if he has the "good" intelligence gene rather than the "mediocre" allele

>>	TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 02:25:47 2011 No.2723034 >>2723025 I'm sorry, I think I misused a term. I'm going to look it up before I embarrass myself further.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:26:47 2011 No.2723046

>>2722990
your theory makes assumptions that european society was somehow naturally more complex than african ones. if anything, the more intelligent african individuals would thrive; the first person to throw a javelin or use a bow would do far better than the "athletic" individual who chased down their prey.

your assumption that african cultures were primarily hunter-gatherer is also unfounded: Egypt, Ethiopia, Axum, Mali, Songhai... should I go on?

your main mistake here was an oversimplification that resounded with young men on the internet frustrated with their lack of ability to conform to social norms. you failed to look at complex social, environmental, and historical factors before claiming that africans were hunter-gatherers.

>>2722999
what's wrong?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:27:47 2011 No.2723059 >>2723023 Yeah, it's not that simple. You're partially correct, of course. It's just that physical attractiveness is a lot more important.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:27:47 2011 No.2723061

>>2722985
Intelligence is an inherited trait. The adult child's IQ correlates with parent's IQ somewhere around 0.8. You don't have to find the gene responsible to make this claim.

Intelligence and melanin have nothing to do with each other inherently, however there were groups of people throughout history who lived in similar environments thus faced similar environmental pressures, interbred and today we colloquially call "races". As it turns out, these different races which evolved in different areas of the globe have different traits, which have been inherited generation to generation. One of these traits is intelligence.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:28:47 2011 No.2723065

>>2723023
>intelligence and appearance
>intelligence = appearance

if a girl is hot and disease free, i'm likely to want to fuck her and maybe pass on some genes in the process

explain to how there are controlled mating habits from the population level

variation in reproductive success has a correlation with variation in parasite resistance, and little else

the "un" intelligence breed regardless of what you think

an atheist wouldn't think in such a miscalculated manner

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TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 02:28:47 2011 No.2723070

>>2723034
>>2723025
>>2723010
>>2722989
Yeah, I'm an idiot. I meant something other than what selectively breed means when I used it.

What I meant: Yes, the gene(s) for intelligence have been selected more within white populations.

My biology classes were all shit so I don't know correct terms. :(

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>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:29:47 2011 No.2723078 >>2722990 >Yes, current IQ disparity can be explained by current socioeconomic stuff. No it cannot. IQ is not based on environment. It's completely inherited.

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>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:29:47 2011 No.2723082 >>2723070 >Yes, the gene(s) for intelligence have been selected more within white populations. HOW?! By what mechanism? Assortative breeding by intelligence has been a reality for maybe the past 50 years.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:30:47 2011 No.2723084 >>2723026 ITT: People don't understand shit bout IQ.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:30:47 2011 No.2723089 >>2723078 [citation needed]

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:30:47 2011 No.2723091 >>2723070 Which is still silly. Why would this be the case in 'whites' but not in 'blacks'? >>2723078 Hahahaha Oh wait you're serious Let me laugh even harder

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:30:47 2011 No.2723093 >>2723065 Yes, but in European and Asian societies you'd only get the chance to fuck her after you proved to her father that you could provide. Productivity is linked with intelligence.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:30:47 2011 No.2723094 >>2723084 >still thinks IQ is an indicator of jack shit other than how high your IQ is

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:31:47 2011 No.2723095 >>2723061 >intelligence is an inherited trait great argument, i'm sold >water contains matter

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:32:47 2011 No.2723101 >>2723093 lol think before you right guy

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:32:47 2011 No.2723103 >>2723094 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient#Social_outcomes It is the single greatest predictor of social success.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:32:47 2011 No.2723106

OP is bullshit, but only because his theory is fucking sweeping Amerifag bullshit.

For one thing, the first few centuries of CE featured Arabic and Egyptian centers of learning.

For another thing, a few thousand years isn't enough for genetics to matter and isn't important for social bullshit.

If anything, I would say that modern africian americans don't value education and focus on the shitty gigs of sportin' and drug dealing, for social something or shit.

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>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:34:47 2011 No.2723122 >>2723106 Yeah because it took millions of years for new dog breeds to develop HERPDERP. Read the thread dicksuck.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:35:47 2011 No.2723132 >>2723103 um... nope, it just shows that you can take tests and shit. which shows at least some form of integellence, but isn't an end all.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:35:47 2011 No.2723127 >>2723101 >right meant "write" obv

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:35:47 2011 No.2723130 >>2723122 We breed dogs. We don't breed humans.

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>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:36:47 2011 No.2723147 Retard trolls have inhabited the thread, the day was won by the hereditarians

TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 02:36:47 2011 No.2723149

>>2723046
1:I think more often european societies were more complex. However I don't have any hard evidence on this.

>if anything, the more intelligent african individuals would thrive; the first person to throw a javelin or use a bow would do far better than the "athletic" individual who chased down their prey

2:Innovations like that happened less often in african societies (as evidenced by the smaller total amount of technology created in african societies). As a result, fewer occasions for innovators to do really well and get lots of pussy would have occurred.

3:even though there were some innovations in africa, (assuming my earlier point that european societies were more complex is correct, which I can't prove), a more complex society with more complex technologies allows more opportunities for intelligence to help people.
I guess my third point is just a different wording of my second point but I'm going to leave both

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:37:47 2011 No.2723150

>>2723065
First off, I can barely understand what the fuck your saying because you can't seem to use proper grammar. Secondly, studies show attractiveness does correlate with intelligence. Once again, google is your friend. Let me give an example.
Around this time period in lets say Mexico
Some smart guy comes along, just by chance mixing of genes, call him Bob.
Bob uses his above average intelligence to get a good job, and move to the states, and gets paid a good amount.
More money=better living conditions
Better living conditions= better standards of health.
Equally attractive and intelligent girl meets Bob, attracted to his intelligence. Good genes mix you have healthier, smarter children. As far as resistance to parasites through genes, that's something that comes from natural selection. That gives you people like Bob.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:37:47 2011 No.2723155 To whoever is posting successful negro: You are the only thing of value in this entire thread, and I respect you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:38:47 2011 No.2723160 >>2723106 >implying Rome/Byzantium weren't the centers of learning until the sevent century

>>	TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 02:38:47 2011 No.2723163 >>2723091 >why would this be the case for whites but not blacks read the op, it explains why.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:39:47 2011 No.2723168 >>2723160 I hope you're trolling. That, or you know absolutely nothing about history, which is kind of sad.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:39:47 2011 No.2723169 >>2723150 >your saying >Mexico >lets call him Bob >a Bob in MEXICO Opinion invalidated.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:39:47 2011 No.2723171

>>2722780
I have never been to stormfront am not a conservative or a jesus freak and I honestly believe that Africans are different than other groups and tow of these differences there temperament and intelligence. I feel that much of this is caused by them not having Neanderthal dna. This discussion has way too much shit in it. People who think everyone is equal are ignorant. Personally I believe in tolerance but I'm not a humanitarian, if someone is to stupid to put on a free condom or buy a fucking mosquito net for his hids than he deserves to die of aids and his children of malaria. I am a strong propionate of prison labor, put all those car thief's to work and give cheap Chinese labor a run for its money. I'm not too big into eugenics but if someones behind bars its harder for them to spawn more defective children.

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>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:40:47 2011 No.2723182 >>2723163 No, it does not. It assumes an initial intellectual superiority, and extrapolates from that. What caused whites to be smarter in the first place?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:40:47 2011 No.2723185 File: 73 KB, 541x410, 1285569380935.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2723110 mfw successful negro buys stock in Watermelon

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:42:47 2011 No.2723190 >>2722780 Studies have also shown black is perceived as a more aggressive color than others. For example football teams in black jerseys get called on for fouls more times than when they play in a different colored jersey.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:42:47 2011 No.2723191 >>2723171 How do you feel about Affirmative Action

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:42:47 2011 No.2723196 >>2723168 the Arab civilization didn't rise from obscurity until the Seventh century. Also prior to Roman hegemony, Athens was the cultural powerhouse of the Mediterranean, before that Egypt. Are we reading the same history books?

TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 02:42:47 2011 No.2723197

>>2723182
No, it doesn't assume initial intellectual superiority.
I said, basically,
"somehow white societies get technology and shit"
"i don't claim to explain how"
"once they have it, they evolve moar better because of it"
>>2723106
>a few thousand years isn't enough for genetics to matter
I don't have hard evidence to the contrary, but do you want to give any evidence to support that?

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:43:47 2011 No.2723198

>>2723149
sigh
a lot of our technology came from africa

things invented in egypt and mesopotamia (not african, but not european) were taken up by the phoenicians, and later exposed to ancient agean civilization, the greeks, who would give birth to europe and by extension the modern world.

early technology came from africa.
how the hell did they build the pyramids if they didn't invent shit. or ziggurats.
and how did mayans and aztecs build their pyramids if they never benefitted from european technology?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:43:47 2011 No.2723203 >>2723169 >Your face when Bob=robert. One of the most common names in Mexico

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>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:44:47 2011 No.2723206 >>2723185 His friend bought some shares for him as a joke for his college graduation. He's held on to them because of sentimental value and they've proven to be lucrative until recently.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:45:47 2011 No.2723219 The thread is autosaging by the way. You are literally playing violin on the deck of the Titanic. Racialists made a much better case in this thread. Start a new thread if you want to continue the discussion

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:45:47 2011 No.2723221

>>2723168
Oh, and don't get me wrong, the Arab Civilization was the shining gem of the world for at least 500 years. ( and the crusades were fucking retarded ) I just don't get how you think you know anything more about history than I do. ( oh and you don't, belieeeve me, you don't )

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:45:47 2011 No.2723222 >>2723206 and only until graduating from grad school at MIT did he begin watching his stock portfolio again, as he was busy with intensive studies in theoretical mathematics.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:46:47 2011 No.2723227 >>2723197 Whites being somehow technologically more developed implies intellectual superiority, unless you assume aliens gave them technology or something.

TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 02:46:47 2011 No.2723228

>>2723198
>a lot of our technology came from africa
maybe
I still think that much less of it came from africa, but I have no evidence on this. I don't think I'll ever have the patience to make a huge list of technologies and their origins and sort them by continent :(

Thanks for disagreeing with me without being a faggot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:46:47 2011 No.2723230 >>2723106 I lol'd at "a few thousand years isn't enough for genetics to matter." Learn about the spread of information and exponential functions, then come back.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:49:47 2011 No.2723244

>>2723219
>Racialists made a much better case in this thread.

I agree only in the sense that there are differences between populations. What the racialists fail to realize is that there is still no basis for discrimination. In that regard they are wrong as they have always been.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:49:47 2011 No.2723246 >>2723198 Egyptians were Hamito-Semitic people

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:50:47 2011 No.2723252 File: 80 KB, 360x360, Kill-white-spotted-fishes-so-we-can-have-enough-to-give-to-the-homeless-shelter.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:51:47 2011 No.2723255 >>2723244 None of us (at least not most us) ever said that is reason to discriminate against black people, or that it is fair they are treated inhumanely. Simply that they might be less intelligent for scientifically explainable reasons.

TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 02:51:47 2011 No.2723254

>>2723227
They might have just gotten lucky when they created the first few technologies.
Or else the climate or some shit made technologies easier to develop.
In any case, I don't claim that the initial reason that white cultures had better technologies (if they did) was superior white intelligence. If you think that superior white intelligence is the only possible explanation for the initial superior technology in white cultures, then whatever, I'm not trying to argue that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:52:47 2011 No.2723264 >>2723254 My problem is that you're trying to argue for white superiority by first assuming white superiority. I don't care where you think that initial superiority came from, it's just bad reasoning.

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>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:53:47 2011 No.2723272 >>2723244 Do you support affirmative action?

>>	TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 02:53:47 2011 No.2723273 >>2723244 I don't wish to discriminate. Pointing out/talking about differences between races is different from saying "lol niggers cant vote"

>>	TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 02:54:47 2011 No.2723277 >>2723266 Also dude I love those images. 3rd favorite meme, probably.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:55:47 2011 No.2723282 >>2723272 No. It had it's place decades ago when racism was far more blatantly prevalent, but now it causes more grief than good.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:55:47 2011 No.2723283 >>2723264 It appears that whites faced harsher environmental pressures that pushed them to higher intelligence. Likewise with Asians

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:56:47 2011 No.2723287 >>2723277 i just made the welfare one right now actually lol

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:56:47 2011 No.2723290 >>2723283 Harsher than living in the jungle? You mean because it was colder or what?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 02:57:47 2011 No.2723297 MAKE A NEW THREAD, THIS ONE IS SLIDING OFF THE BOARD.

TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 02:58:47 2011 No.2723298

>>2723254
I'm not saying whites were initially superior though. I'm just saying they had better stuff.
Let's say my dad gives me a gun and I shoot my brother with it. That doesn't mean that I am superior, I just got a better toy. If I was stronger, faster, or smarter, I would be inherently superior to my brother.

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>>	TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 02:59:47 2011 No.2723304 >>2723297 I have to go to bed soon, though :( I thought about making another tomorrow, though, with a better version of my argument as OP, explaining in more detail and also requesting retards not to respond

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 03:00:47 2011 No.2723309 >>2723298 You're assuming somebody gave whites superior technology? Who? Aliens? God?

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 03:00:47 2011 No.2723310

>>2723283
I hate using the term 'higher intelligence'. I prefer different intelligence. Surviving on the Serengeti requires a completely different set of skills than surviving in a temperate forest. Civilization arose in its various forms due to a response to whatever environment it's people had to deal with. Successful civilizations are regarded as 'more intelligent' because they are judging intelligence by the criteria that made the society successful.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 03:01:47 2011 No.2723312 >>2723290 East Africa is a pretty fucking easy place to get by.

>>	TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 03:01:47 2011 No.2723313 >>2723309 I'd say it might come down to luck. Someone in a white civilization came up with some good shit for no particular reason. But I don't claim to know.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 03:02:47 2011 No.2723318 >>2723312 So is the Mediterranean.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 03:03:47 2011 No.2723325 >>2723313 Then your argument rests on white people being intrinsically luckier than black people. That's not very /sci/ of you.

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TREATS !!Z8I20yPEJNq Thu Mar 17 03:07:47 2011 No.2723346

>>2723325
No, it doesn't. It rests on the assumption that whites had better tech then blacks at a certain point in time.
I don't claim to be able to explain why whites happened to have better technology then. Luck is a possible explanation, but not part of my argument.

Of course, someone else (maybe it was you, can't remember) said that blacks actually had better technology early on, which I haven't disproven.

Sorry if I'm being confusing/incorrect. I am tired as FUCK.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 03:08:47 2011 No.2723350

>>2723310
That's cool and all, but if whites wanted to, they could make the Serengeti their bitch. European whites, having an ecological streak apparently greater than others, decided to leave it as a nature preserve.

Modern europeans and asians have higher intelligences than modern africans. There is no honest discussion about that.

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>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 10:39:47 2011 No.2724645 >>2723331 People get masters in social work, not PhDs.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 13:17:47 2011 No.2725337

Firstly, evolution does not occur that rapidly over time, all humans were black until as recent as 8,000BC. Secondly, Intelligence would benefit any animal in any environment, it's rather ironic how idiotic that statement was. The most successful person to survive in a jungle environment and the most successful person to survive in a modern environment would both be smart in their own merit.

Fuck your theory. The Facts are we are genetically similar, with no defining characteristics that legitimately segregate us. We're a spectrum of melanin pigments displayed across the earth, with various civilizations varying from each region. Its that simple, research the data, theres actually a very elaborate and accurate exhibition at the museum of science in boston.

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